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Knicks Morning News (Monday, May 20 2013)

  • [New York Times] Spurs Come Out Hot, Randolph Cold in West Finals (Mon, 20 May 2013 07:12:01 GMT)
    Mike Conley wouldn’t let Zach Randolph take the blame for the Memphis Grizzlies’ blowout loss in Game 1 of the Western Conference finals.    

  • [New York Times] Game1: Spurs 105, Grizzlies 83: Spurs Strike First in Western Conference Finals Against Grizzlies (Mon, 20 May 2013 03:14:45 GMT)
    Tony Parker had 20 points and 9 assist to lift San Antonio over Memphis in Game 1.    

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: N.B.A. Playoffs — Pacers’ Advantages Face Greater Test in Heat (Mon, 20 May 2013 03:00:14 GMT)
    Outrebounding the Knicks is one thing; counting on the same defensive approach to work against the Miami Heat is another.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: For Knicks, Already Out of Playoffs, Magic May Run Out (Mon, 20 May 2013 01:42:01 GMT)
    The Knicks’ title chase is over, and with a talent deficit and a payroll with no flexibility, they are paying the price for their pursuit of veterans last summer.    

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Like Patrick, Melo’s future with Knicks may ring hollow (Mon, 20 May 2013 05:52:30 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony sat shirtless and wore ice packs on both knees. From his demeanor and posture right down to the accessories needed to heal his aching body, Anthony resembled Patrick Ewing more than ever after the Knicks’ season ended.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Heat is on Knicks, who are far away from LeBron, Miami (Mon, 20 May 2013 04:29:20 GMT)
    The NBA’s Final Four is underway and not surprisingly, the Knicks again didn’t make the cut. Miami-Indiana and San Antonio- Memphis aren’t exactly a TV ratings bonanza, but when you look at the remaining quartet, you can see why the Knicks keep falling short of that elite group.    

  • [New York Daily News] Melo to have ailing shoulder examined by team doctors (Mon, 20 May 2013 02:58:15 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony will have his ailing left shoulder re-examined by team doctors to determine the extent of the injury and how to treat it, according to a Knicks official.    

  • [New York Post] Knicks or knots (Mon, 20 May 2013 01:05:41 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony: Can opt out after next season, but the Knicks will ride him once again in 2013-14.
    Amar’e Stoudemire: Coming off 29-game regular season, was too rusty in playoffs to help, but could return to the starting lineup next season if healthy.
    Tyson Chandler: Might be the best…

  • [New York Post] After falling short, Knicks will be hard-pressed to change roster (Mon, 20 May 2013 02:40:23 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony did a better job spinning in the postgame interview room late Saturday night at Bankers Life Fieldhouse than spinning in the lane for a bucket in the fourth quarter of ill-fated Game 6.
    “It’s a learning curve for us and we’ll be back better and stronger…

  • [New York Post] Shumpert defies old thinking (Mon, 20 May 2013 01:00:07 -0500)
    Next season, Carmelo Anthony’s main sidekick could be a healthy, emerging Iman Shumpert.
    One major issue with the Knicks’ roster going forward is its lack of upside: The team is ancient, and few players have real room for NBA growth. One of the exceptions is Shumpert, who just emblazoned…

  • [New York Post] More than goodwill, Knicks need good play from Amar’e (Mon, 20 May 2013 03:03:18 -0500)
    He was the first one who said it, whether or not he really believed it, or understood it. This was July 5, 2010, and Amar’e Stoudemire and the Knicks had just agreed to a five-year, $99.7 million, and Stoudemire, looking to summarize the transaction, did so simply and…

  • [New York Post] Melo can’t win four series all by himself (Mon, 20 May 2013 03:42:40 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony will sell tickets, titillate Celebrity Row, make the Garden a warm attraction in the dead of winter, hopefully for many more winters.
    But this is supposed to be about bringing a championship to New York, and he is doomed, he will never win that elusive championship if he…

  • [New York Post] Is it any wonder these guys couldn’t win? (Mon, 20 May 2013 03:03:18 -0500)
    Don’t know why anyone would have any trouble with J. R. Smith out “clubbing” during the playoffs. As long as he observed the 5 a.m. curfew, it’s a non-issue, ya know?
    And it’s not as if he didn’t have another sensational season tweeting. And Smith…

  • [New York Post] Smith brothers may become package deal (Mon, 20 May 2013 02:18:56 -0500)
    The J.R. Smith/Chris Smith package deal is shaping up.
    The Post has learned point guard Chris Smith, J.R. Smith’s brother who injured his knee during Knicks training camp, has fired his agent, Marc Cornstein, and will hire J.R.’s rep, CAA superagent Leon Rose, who…

  • 56 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, May 20 2013)

    1. thenamestsam

      First post since the end of things, so I want to start off by saying thanks to all of you who take the time to read and post here for a fun year. You guys consistently make being a Knicks fan more enjoyable for me whether the team is up or down. And thanks especially to our hosts. You guys do a real service to Knicks fan-dom with this site.

      A couple preliminary thoughts on the offseason. First, any talk of firing Woodson is crazy at this point in my mind. Despite some questions about his regular season lineups, he has posted an exemplary regular season record over his time. If you’re firing him you’re firing him for the playoffs, and I think there’s enough there to exonerate him. I hated his coaching last year in the playoffs (the inability to figure out how to beat a front was frankly embarrassing), but really they didn’t matter. Only question that mattered was whether Miami was ruthless enough to go for the sweep or let it linger for 5. This year he made some seriously questionable decisions, but again, he really wasn’t left with all that many cards to play. 3 of the guys in his go to lineup were playing their worst ball of the year. Melo wasn’t hot. Mistakes were made, but I do think the majority of the responsibility is on the players. And the biggest reason not to fire him is that while there are appealing options out there, none of them are realistic possibilities. In an alternate universe we’d all love to root for a team with an owner who’s willing to have a strong independent voice as a head coach but it ain’t happening. If we’re going to have a lap dog I think Woodson is as good as any.

      On the roster it seems like most people are basically in favor of getting the band back together and hoping to hit on our first round pick/pray for health/maybe Lebron will actually get injured one of these years assuming he’s not a cyborg. I don’t love that plan but I also don’t see a ton of options. Amaze me again GG.

    2. Jafa

      You know whats sad? Knowing that this was the Knicks best shot in this 3 year window they had of competing. The next 2 years are going to be horrible for Knicks fans.

    3. thenamestsam

      Jafa:
      The next 2 years are going to be horrible for Knicks fans.

      Really? I find this attitude legitimately incomprehensible. You know what would be horrible for Knicks fans? Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis sharing a backcourt. Jerome James. Eddie Curry. Zach Randolph. Larry Brown. Six years without a playoff appearance and ten (ten!) without a single playoff victory in a playoff game. That would be a horrible time to be a Knicks fan.

      I realize that everyone desperately wants a Knicks championship. The youngest Knicks fans who remember a championship are entering their 50s. But if you can only enjoy seasons where you’re the championship favorite, if you find it horrible to be only a mid-level playoff team, maybe being a sports fan just isn’t for you.

      The Knicks have a chance to win a championship next year. It isn’t a good chance and a bunch of things will have to go their way, but if you can’t find a ton of stuff to enjoy between now and then you probably just don’t like basketball that much. This team is going to win more than we lose next year/ We’re going to get to watch those games where Melo is incandescent and lights up the Garden the way few ever have. We’re going to get to watch Shump hopefully blossom into something special. We’re going to get to watch JR do JR things, and all the good and bad that brings. Hopefully, we’re going to watch Tyson throw down one of those crazy oops and imagine what might have been if he’d been healthy in the playoffs. We’re going to have a new rookie to throw ridiculous comps at and talk about how he favorably compares to various all-stars at his age.

      We haven’t reached the promised land, but if this still looks like the wilderness to you, you need to pick your head up and look around. We’ve come a long way.

    4. johnlocke

      To be fair as long as JR Smith was our 2nd best offensive player any chance we had of a championship season as an illusion. There are really only two x-factors next season. Shumpert and Amare. Can Shumpert become a 2-way player and make a Paul George like leap into being / close to being an all-star and can Amare return to All-Star form alongside Melo. That is it, no draft pick, trade or free agent is going to change anything. Those are the only factors. And as much as I’d like to be optimistic, probably low % odds on both those potential outcomes. Was a fun season though – especially the beginning and the end of the regular season.

      Jafa:
      You know whats sad?Knowing that this was the Knicks best shot in this 3 year window they had of competing.The next 2 years are going to be horrible for Knicks fans.

    5. Z

      In the old CBA, retired players stayed on the cap the entire length of their contract. Is this still true under the new CBA? (ie, would Kidd and/or Camby’s retirement effect the franchise in any way other than freeing up a roster spot?)

    6. Count de Pennies

      thenamestsam: Really? I find this attitude legitimately incomprehensible. You know what would be horrible for Knicks fans? Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis sharing a backcourt. Jerome James. Eddie Curry. Zach Randolph. Larry Brown. Six years without a playoff appearance and ten (ten!) without a single playoff victory in a playoff game. That would be a horrible time to be a Knicks fan.

      I realize that everyone desperately wants a Knicks championship. The youngest Knicks fans who remember a championship are entering their 50s. But if you can only enjoy seasons where you’re the championship favorite, if you find it horrible to be only a mid-level playoff team, maybe being a sports fan just isn’t for you.

      Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

      A legitimate case could be made that the Knicks’ last, best hope for a title went out the window on July 8, 2010 when “The Decision” did not go their way.

      Any Knick fan who is incapable of deriving any enjoyment from a team that’s unlikely to ever be a serious championship contender so long as LeBron is healthy and playing for someone else would have been well advised to find another hobby on that day.

      Perhaps I’m in the minority but I can still have fun watching this team – even cursed with the knowledge that the odds of its winning a title in the present era are very, very, very small. I had a blast watching this team this year and found much too enjoy. Perhaps I’m just easily satisfied.

      Admittedly, years of horrible management and on-court performances have severely stunted my expectations as a fan. Whatever. At this point, I’m pretty much happy with a record above .500, a handful of improbable wins over the Big Boys (Miami 3x, SA, OKC) and postseason series win. And, oh yeah, not seeing that momser Isiah on the sidelines every time I turn on a game still brings a smile to my…

    7. Hubert

      Jafa:
      You know whats sad?Knowing that this was the Knicks best shot in this 3 year window they had of competing.The next 2 years are going to be horrible for Knicks fans.

      I disagree. I think next year can be as good or better than this year.

      I would imagine it falls off a cliff after that, and we retool in 2015.

      But the theory that the Knicks will get worse next year seems to rely on the logic that our success this year was mostly attributable to Chicago being without Rose, Indiana without Granger, and Boston losing Rondo.

      First off, the Boston thing is patently absurd. They were 20-23 when Rondo went down, we had a 7.5 game lead on them. They’re not going to pass us next year.

      Indiana without Granger. Is this any more significant as us being without Amar’e? I’m not quite sipping RuRu’s kool-aid, but I think having Amar’e is at least as impactful as them having Granger. Not to mention they will have some of the same reintegration problems we will have.

      Derrick Rose returning to the Bulls is a legitimate thing. Though for some strange reason we seem to play much better against them when he plays than when he doesn’t.

      On the plus side:

      1. Iman Shumpert.
      2. If we can bring Kenyon Martin back, we have the legitimate backup to Chandler we sorely lacked this year.

      Those two things alone could return our defense to the elite level it played at the year before.

    8. Hubert

      Jafa:
      You know whats sad?Knowing that this was the Knicks best shot in this 3 year window they had of competing.The next 2 years are going to be horrible for Knicks fans.

      Wait, I forgot. You’re the guy who jumped ship to Brooklyn. Not sure why I even bothered responding to you.

    9. Douglas

      Hubert: Wait, I forgot.You’re the guy who jumped ship to Brooklyn.Not sure why I even bothered responding to you.

      Nice observation. The irony is delicious. I can only imagine the horrid existential torpor of being a Nets fan.

    10. KnickfaninNJ

      Re-posted since conversation has moved here:

      I don’t know why there are so many people blaming Woodson for the Knicks loss to the Pacers. Of course there are some things he could have done better in the playoffs, but when you have close games, there are always things like that. The Knicks did about as well as most of the more optimistic forecasts on this board at the beginning of the season. Those predictions were made when Woody was looking great from the improvement shown by the team last season. If a team does what an optimistic assessment of the team said he would given his personnel, then at least he did a reasonable job. The true reason the Knicks had a hard time against the Pacers, is part it being a bad matchup for us and part all the sacrifices of draft picks and potential young talent the Knicks made to get under the cap (and to give us “stars” like Tracy McGrady), and all the talent they gave up when they traded for Carmelo.

      And there are some very good reasons to like Woodson. He’s better than many coaches at not overusing his players and he plays a deeper bench. The players like him, and he didn’t wear out his welcome in Atlanta by alienating players. They still seemed to like him after a number of years of him.

      But even with Woodson as coach, I am not so optimistic we will do better in future years. At least the Knicks are mostly a watchable coherent team now. But I just don’t think we have or will have enough athleticism and young talent surrounding Carmelo.

    11. Hubert

      KnickfaninNJ:

      I don’t know why there are so many people blaming Woodson for the Knicks loss to the Pacers. Of course there are some things he could have done better in the playoffs, but when you have close games, there are always things like that.

      He made some glaring errors. But I think it is a natural defense mechanism for a lot of us to blame the coach, because it makes us think that if things had happened the way we wanted them to, we would’ve won. That accomplishes two things: 1. Denial, Denial, Denial (always easier than acceptance). 2. Makes us feel in control over a situation we so desperately want to turn out in our favor but have no control over.

      If Gregg Poppovich or Doc Rivers wanted to come here, I’d let him go. But DCrockett17 laid out the reality well yesterday: with Dolan in charge of the hiring, our next coach is more likely to be a charlatan than a genius. I’d stick with the devil I know, even though I know the 2nd round of the playoffs is most likely his ceiling.

    12. chrisk06811

      I agree with Hubert Davis, who by the way could really shoot the rock, and we could probably lose him.

      We have 8 guys under contract next year: Melo, Shump, Ray, Chandler, Novak, Amare, Kidd, and friggen Camby. We have a qualifying offer on Prigs; beats me what that means. Lets say we lose Smith, Cope and Kenyon. The facts are:
      -Melo is still Melo
      -No reason to think Chandler or Felton will play worse
      -Losing JR would suck. but, shump only played 45 games this year, and got better as the year went on.
      -Amare only played 29 games. For him to improve on his limited contribution is not a stretch
      -Kidd and Pablo could regress. Novak and Camby can’t possibly be worse.
      -We will have a draft pick. We have a mid level. We will sign a veteran big to do the Kurt/Kenyon/Sheed thing
      – bottom line: We are still a 2-5 seed next year.

      The 2014/2015 season could suck.
      For 2015/2016 only Novak has a contract. Felton has a player option, Shump a qualifying offer.
      SO….we could suck for 2014/2015, then be in total rebuilding mode with huge cap space for 15/16. This really isn’t that bad!!!!

    13. KnickfaninNJ

      Hubert,

      You make a good point about the errors, but that is what tends to happen when one is up against a normal opponent and losing enough that you need to make changes. I agree about Popovich but I am not sure about Rivers. Some of River’s success may have had to do with Garnett motivating people as much as River’s motivating them. And some players, such as Robinson, have come in and done very poorly and then done better elsewhere so I am not so sure how flexible Rivers is as a coach.

    14. KnickfaninNJ

      ChrisK06811,

      I don’t think we will lose JR unless management wants to (although I am keeping my fingers crossed here). Sixth men don’t make more that $5M or so a year and I don’t think JR has convinced anyone he’s good enough and consistent enough to be a starting shooting guard and help carry a team’s offense.

    15. d-mar

      Count de Pennies: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

      A legitimate case could be made that the Knicks’ last, best hope for a title went out the window on July 8, 2010 when “The Decision” did not go their way.

      Any Knick fan who is incapable of deriving any enjoyment from a team that’s unlikely to ever be a serious championship contender so long as LeBron is healthy and playing for someone else would have been well advised to find another hobby on that day.

      Perhaps I’m in the minority but I can still have fun watching this team – even cursed with the knowledge that the odds of its winning a title in the present era are very, very, very small. I had a blast watching this team this year and found much too enjoy. Perhaps I’m just easily satisfied.

      Admittedly, years of horrible management and on-court performances have severely stunted my expectations as a fan. Whatever. At this point, I’m pretty much happy with a record above .500, a handful of improbable wins over the Big Boys (Miami 3x, SA, OKC) and postseason series win. And, oh yeah, not seeing that momser Isiah on the sidelines every time I turn on a game still brings a smile to my…

      +1000 our goal this year was the EC finals, and we didn’t get there, mostly because we forgot to show up for game 1 of the Indy series. But for all this talk about how Indy is clearly better than us, did they have one player who played WAY below expectations like Chandler and JR did? In fact, Stephenson had the best game of his life in game 6, and George Hill shot lights out from all over the court in game 4.

      Personally, I like our chances if these 2 teams meet up again next year, Grainger or no Grainger. I’m assuming JR (if he’s still here) won’t shoot 25% and Chandler will man up and not let Hibbert dominate him.

    16. chrisk06811

      I think we can only give JR one year. I don’t see how someone doesn’t offer him 3 years at 7.5m per.

    17. Hubert

      chrisk06811:
      I think we can only give JR one year.I don’t see how someone doesn’t offer him 3 years at 7.5m per.

      I’m *pretty sure* we can offer something like a 3 year deal starting at the league average / MLE with according raises. So we can offer him around 3 years, $18 mil. That might be his best offer.

      Plus we can do some crap to give him an out again so that next year we’d have his bird rights and be able to offer him more. It’s been rumored that’s already been agreed upon on the golf course with Jim Dolan last summer.

      If I had to guess, we’ll re-sign him, he opts out next year, we try to offer him big money, and then we get nailed for circumventing the cap, which starts a downward spiral into the next Knicks dark age.

      That seems like the logical conclusion to the JR Smith era, right?

    18. chrisk06811

      I’m pretty sure you can only lose your earl if the other guy has a major, or better, of if you hit a bomb. i may be thinking of Stratego.

    19. KnickfaninNJ

      I don’t see anyone offering him $7.5M either, but why do you think we can only offer him one year? After his performance in the playoffs, he’ll probably be a good deal, so we should contract for several years. Out of 30 sixth highest paid players on their team, 15 make between $4M and $5M, 12 make $5M to $6M, 2 players make more than $6M. I think that makes JR worth between $4M and $5M for three years. The Knicks can afford that.

    20. chrisk06811

      I was probably wrong, but I thought we could only go 1 year and a certain % raise.

    21. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Douglas: Nice observation. The irony is delicious. I can only imagine the horrid existential torpor of being a Nets fan.

      I went to a game last season. Got tickets for $4 each, front row balcony. Behind us was a group of mid-fifties dudes, the archetypal Newark YMCA adult-league stalwarts, presumably long-time season ticket holders. They watched the entire game in a half-disinterested silence, occasionally sucking their teeth at a particularly bad turnover, grumbling to one another about Marshon Brooks’s errant fadeaways. They left with half a quarter to play, and the game was, as I recall, fairly close.

      It was really sad. I don’t blame them one bit.

    22. KnickfaninNJ

      I didn’t hear that, but it could be. I assume you would like a longer contract for him if possible

    23. Hubert

      My guesses:

      JR is back.

      Pablo leaves. I think he just wanted to prove it to himself and he did. He can’t make nearly as much money here as he can overseas. He got benched for the biggest game of the year. And no matter how well he plays his coach will still favor the guy who smells like last night and is shooting 4-15.

      Copeland gets our mini-MLE.

      Kenyon Martin begrudgingly signs for the veterans’s minimum after holding out into the season for someone else’s mini-MLE.

    24. KnickfaninNJ

      Hubert,

      You are making a good prediction, but I am not sure Pablo goes back to Europe. Do you think there is no chance another NBA team will make Pablo an offer he can’t refuse? What about, for example, the Lakers? You think they wouldn’t rather have Pablo as backup for Nash than Duhon?

    25. PC

      Is anyone reading the stuff on the internet about JR and cocaine and clubbing? There is no way in hell we can resign someone who chose drugs over this team in the playoffs. I don’t care how weak we are scoring without him – this guy is a mess. I never believed he was actually sick. Nobody with the flu looks like that. When you have the flu, you’re bed-ridden and sweaty and whatnot – he was messed up from doing coke until 6am.

      I hate internet articles and “sources” articles – but I am full buying in to the drug stuff. What the hell else could explain his performance?

    26. Brian Cronin

      Maybe JR just really wants to make sure no other team will sign him. “Oh no, I am playing so well that I’m bound to get offers for $8-10 million a year from other teams. I can’t turn those down! So what do I do? Wait, I got it! I’ll play poorly in the playoffs and develop a coke addiction! Genius!”

    27. PC

      Its not surprising that Amare and JR were not available for media today. The over-bearing Knicks brass doesn’t want drug and trade questions.

    28. thenamestsam

      Incarcerated Bob is really one thing – a storyteller. It seems like he maybe has some sources, but it also seems like he’s pretty full of shit and willing to print basically anything that he thinks will get pageviews, regardless of how well sourced it is.

      It’s not that he’s wrong necessarily. I don’t find the story unbelievable really. If I was going to bet on any Knick having a drug problem JR would certainly be my pick. Probably everyone agrees with that. But this isn’t very strong evidence that he does or doesn’t in my opinion. It’s just a guy on the internet who has amorphous “sources”. Those are a dime a dozen except this one happens to be louder than a lot of the others.

    29. thenamestsam

      Also worth pointing out that this is really the best possible kind of story for those internet “reporters” for lack of a better term. For one, it’s the kind of story that a random guy on the internet really might be in a better position to source than an actual reporter. If Incarcerated Bob claims high-ranking Knicks officials told him they’re looking to deal Melo this offseason, nobody buys that. But if he claims he basically knows JR’s coke guy, I’d say it’s considerably more likely that he gets that story before the beat guys. And second, it’s the kind of thing that we’re almost certainly never going to know one way or the other. Unless JR fails a drug test or a more well-regarded outlet runs a story (would be up Deadspin’s alley I think)it will never be confirmed. And there’s no way for it to ever be refuted really. If anyone ever asked JR about it (and that’s not likely) I think it’s a safe bet that he’d dispute that he has a $500 a day coke habit. But then again that’s exactly what a guy with a $500 a day coke habit would say, isn’t it?

    30. Count de Pennies

      thenamestsam: Incarcerated Bob is really one thing – a storyteller. It seems like he maybe has some sources, but it also seems like he’s pretty full of shit and willing to print basically anything that he thinks will get pageviews, regardless of how well sourced it is.

      If the story came from a random stranger on the street, I’d be more likely to believe it.

      To me, it matters not how credible a story might seem on its face. Whenever Incarcerated Bob is the source, the overwhelming likelihood is that it will turn out not to be true. His record for accuracy is even worse than JR’s against the Pacers.

    31. PC

      I have no clue if the story is truth. But, would it be surprising? NO. And, I have a few friends in Manhattan that say they see JR on the club circuit constantly.

      The crap in the story about weed and drugs sounds too good to come from a real source; but two things are fact – JR was at least drinking in these clubs and Rihanna’s crew (look up an article by an old roommate of mine Jay Bulger on Rihanna’s life) is surrounded with weed, drugs and partying. So if he is close to her in anyway, its possible he is getting wacked at the clubs.

      And, my initials are PC. Nothing to do with political correctness.

    32. nyk8806

      So that’s the deal, MLE + Chris Smith Roster Spot + a pile of coke to make Tony Montana blush. JR’s a fool and Dolan’s many unprintable expletives, but I still don’t give much credence to the reports. JR just happens to be a playoff trainwreck (see past 3 seasons). Did he maybe party too hard when he should have been in bed (not giving the pipe)? Sure, but I highly doubt he was on drugs.

    33. PC

      What makes you highly doubt he was on drugs? Not asking like a d*ick, just curious.

      He is a young millionaire that goes to NYC clubs.

      nyk8806:
      So that’s the deal, MLE + Chris Smith Roster Spot + a pile of coke to make Tony Montana blush.JR’s a fool and Dolan’s many unprintable expletives, but I still don’t give much credence to the reports.JR just happens to be a playoff trainwreck (see past 3 seasons).Did he maybe party too hard when he should have been in bed (not giving the pipe)?Sure, but I highly doubt he was on drugs.

    34. Brian Cronin

      That really is the silver lining of JR sucking during the playoffs. JR at $5 million long term is a steal. Even if it means carrying his brother on the roster (by the way, why wasn’t JR’s agent representing Chris Smith from the get-go?). I find it hard to believe that they’ll really get him locked in for four years at $5 million, though. Two years with the second year being a player option I totally get. But four years? If that’s the case, though, awesome!!

    35. mr.JayP

      Am I crazy for thinking I rather have JR on our team than splitting his minutes between God knows who?

      I mean it was our (Woody’s) fault for giving him so much rope, but if he plays like he did towards the end of the season with a short leash. He’ll be a nice peice for our BENCH. Like stated, Jr isn’t n shouldn’t be a number 2. He is not mentally ready or even strong enough for such responsibilities. But ill gladly take him as a 3-4

    36. thenamestsam

      PC:
      I have no clue if the story is truth.But, would it be surprising?NO. And, I have a few friends in Manhattan that say they see JR on the club circuit constantly.

      The crap in the story about weed and drugs sounds too good to come from a real source; but two things are fact – JR was at least drinking in these clubs and Rihanna’s crew (look up an article by an old roommate of mine Jay Bulger on Rihanna’s life) is surrounded with weed, drugs and partying. So if he is close to her in anyway, its possible he is getting wacked at the clubs.

      And, my initials are PC.Nothing to do with political correctness.

      I don’t really doubt that JR is probably doing some things that are less than ideal for maintaining the ability to compete at an elite athletic level. But there’s a pretty massive gap between “parties a little too hard sometimes” and “has a $500 a day coke habit”. The story isn’t saying that JR occasionally does drugs at the club. The story is saying that every 2-3 days he buys $1500 dollars worth of coke along with another $1500 a week in weed. Even if he has a big posse and shares freely, those numbers are more suggesting that JR is a drug addict than someone who parties a little too much.

    37. PC

      I don’t care if his habit is 1,500 dollars a week or just one line of coke the night before game 4 of the playoffs.

      If you take a line of coke before a playoff game or order a bottle of Rose at the clube, you should never play on that team again. It’s not a “steal” getting a low-character guy like that. We would be getting him at the exact right price because nobody else wants him. We will go nowhere with him again.

      I hate sounding so negative. But I am shocked how many people want this piece of shit on our team. He is a true scumbag. I want no part of him next year. But it sounds like we’re getting him because his agents are scrambling to have a contract signed within days of the season ending so nothing further damaging comes out about him.

      I’ll go away, now.

    38. flossy

      PC:
      I don’t care if his habit is 1,500 dollars a week or just one line of coke the night before game 4 of the playoffs.

      If you take a line of coke before a playoff game or order a bottle of Rose at the clube, you should never play on that team again.It’s not a “steal” getting a low-character guy like that. We would be getting him at the exact right price because nobody else wants him.We will go nowhere with him again.

      I hate sounding so negative. But I am shocked how many people want this piece of shit on our team. He is a true scumbag. I want no part of him next year.But it sounds like we’re getting him because his agents are scrambling to have a contract signed within days of the season ending so nothing further damaging comes out about him.

      I’ll go away, now.

      I think there is a huge difference between $500/day coke habit and a bottle of rose at the club. Everyone on the Knicks drinks, and I bet most of them smoke. Everyone is entitled to blow off some steam (within reason). $500/day of coke is obviously not within reason, but that amount strikes me as wildly exaggerated unless he’s buying for a huge posse.

    39. Brian Cronin

      Am I worried about him having a coke problem? Yeah. But at the same time, for $5 million, it really isn’t a big deal if he really does have a coke problem. Signing him for $5 million does not keep them from signing anyone else. If they let him go, it is not like they would have $5 million to spend on someone else. They are only able to pay him $5 million because of the Early Bird Exception. So it is either JR for $5 million or people on the vet minimum. And I’d rather have JR with a coke problem than some other guard on the vet minimum.

    40. Brian Cronin

      I don’t party with him so I don’t know. But it seems totally bat-shit insane for even a guy with a history of “issues” to decide that the playoffs during a contract year is a great time to start/ratchet up a massive drug habit. He is savvy enough about social media to know that his actions are being scrutinized closely and 1 little screw up in the drug arena could spell an instant end to his career. I mean, a star athlete bringing a gun to a club and accidentally shooting himself actually seems much more plausible by comparison.

      I think the theory is that he’s been doing it all season long but people are only reporting on it now because it is the playoffs.

    41. thenamestsam

      flossy: I think there is a huge difference between $500/day coke habit and a bottle of rose at the club.Everyone on the Knicks drinks, and I bet most of them smoke.Everyone is entitled to blow off some steam (within reason).$500/day of coke is obviously not within reason, but that amount strikes me as wildly exaggerated unless he’s buying for a huge posse.

      This. A zero tolerance policy is just silly. These guys are millionaires in their 20s. It’s a safe bet that they’re doing dumb, irresponsible shit, because that’s what folks in their 20s do even when they have no money to spend. A bottle of Rose at the club every now and then is less than ideal, but to me that’s the cost of doing business with 20 year old millionaires. He might have a hangover the next morning and that’s the extent of the negative effects. Take two advil, drink a few gatorades, nice nap after shootaround and the impact by gametime is fractional. A $500 a day coke habit is something that would ruin his health rather quickly I would think (I’ll be the first to admit that my experience with doing that many drugs is significantly less than my experience with hangovers).

      Plus everything Brian said.

    42. nyk8806

      Brian Cronin: I think the theory is that he’s been doing it all season long but people are only reporting on it now because it is the playoffs.

      I think people are only reporting it now because it correlates with his terrible production in the post-season. Add in some juicy Rihanna quotes and bam, THCJ’s favorite line: correlation does not imply causation. I have no idea what cocaine’s effects on athletic performance are, but I guess I was predisposed by Officer DARE to assume they had a negative effect. If he can play this well all season as a junkie, then maybe I need to find a dealer too.

    43. thenamestsam

      ephus:
      I am submitting a JR Smith column that breaks down the salary cap ramifications.

      Can’t wait to read. My goal is to understand this CBA sometime right around when they replace it.

    44. Z

      flossy:
      ).$500/day of coke is obviously not within reason, but that amount strikes me as wildly exaggerated unless he’s buying for a huge posse.

      A $500 a day coke habit breaks down to about 250 lines/day (at 10 generous lines per gram). So, yeah, hopefully he’s got some buddies he’s letting join in.

      nyk8806:

      But it seems totally bat-shit insane for even a guy with a history of “issues” to decide that the playoffs during a contract year is a great time to start/ratchet up a massive drug habit.

      First off, “bat-shit insane” may be a clinical psychological diagnosis for JR Smith. Secondly, drug abuse is symptomatic of a self-destructive personality disorder.

      nyk8806: .He is savvy enough about social media to know that his actions are being scrutinized…

      Haha.

    45. Brian Cronin

      I think people are only reporting it now because it correlates with his terrible production in the post-season. Add in some juicy Rihanna quotes and bam, THCJ’s favorite line: correlation does not imply causation.

      There were reports about JR being in the club all season. People have always noted that JR’s worst games have been day games. This is not something new for the playoffs. It is just something that gets more attention BECAUSE it is the playoffs. And yes, it is also because a famous fellow clubber has been willing to make public statements on the issue. But to act like no one ever knew that JR loves to go clubbing until the playoffs started is untrue.

      I have no idea what cocaine’s effects on athletic performance are, but I guess I was predisposed by Officer DARE to assume they had a negative effect. If he can play this well all season as a junkie, then maybe I need to find a dealer too.

      Cocaine has a negative effect, but it only really becomes an issue if you’re doing it like crazy. Remember, cocaine was HUGE in the NBA for over a decade. So plenty of All-Stars were All-Stars while doing cocaine. However, when you begin to use it a lot then it does eventually bring down your performance, which was an issue for a lot of NBA stars of the 1970s and 1980s.

      As far as people using it while under media scrutiny, just look at Doc Gooden and Darryl Strawberry.

    46. Count de Pennies

      Mike Woodson… a Knick guard with a coke problem… all we need now is the return of Bill Cartwright, Larry Demic, and Sly Williams to recapture the glory days of early 1980s.

    47. KnickfaninNJ

      PC, I apologize. I was trying to be humorous about the Knicks management, not you, but it obviously fell flat.

      And, my initials are PC.Nothing to do with political correctness.

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