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Knicks Morning News (Monday, May 06 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks can’t keep Pace, drop Game 1 to Indiana (Mon, 06 May 2013 05:32:26 GMT)
    And the Knicks thought eliminating the Boston Celtics was tough. If Mike Woodson’s team didn’t realize they were in for a dogfight before Sunday they sure know it now. The Indiana Pacers stunned the Knicks 102-95 in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference semifinals Sunday.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Melo gets one MVP vote (Mon, 06 May 2013 05:05:13 GMT)
    LeBron James finished one vote shy of unanimously capturing the NBA’s MVP award, with the lone dissenting vote going to Knicks star Carmelo Anthony.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Oh Roy, did Pacers play physical with Melo (Mon, 06 May 2013 02:53:45 GMT)
    You won’t be hearing that line about the Knicks’ bigs being tough enough and tall enough to give the Miami Heat all kinds of problems in the upcoming Eastern Conference finals. The Knicks won’t even get out of this round if Tyson Chandler and Kenyon Martin continue to get outworked and outperformed by the Indiana Pacers.    

  • [New York Daily News] Dynamic duo comes up big for Indiana (Mon, 06 May 2013 02:32:45 GMT)
    The Knicks fully expected size was going to matter more against Indiana than it had in the first round against Boston. The Pacers muscled their way to a plus-14 rebounding edge behind Pacer big men Roy Hibbert and David West.    

  • [New York Daily News] Smith tweets he ‘wasn’t clubbing’ before Game 1 (Mon, 06 May 2013 01:49:07 GMT)
    J.R. Smith didn’t say anything particularly colorful after his latest poor shooting night (4-for-15) in the playoffs on Sunday against the Pacers.    

  • [New York Daily News] Walsh returns to Garden with Pacers (Mon, 06 May 2013 00:23:15 GMT)
    Donnie Walsh, the former Knicks general manager and current Pacers president, sat in his familiar courtside seat before Sunday’s playoff game, bantering with the news media, and labeling his presence at The Garden as “weirdâ? because of his history in New York.    

  • [New York Times] Pacers Beat Knicks 102-95 in Game 1 (Mon, 06 May 2013 07:15:57 GMT)
    Every time Carmelo Anthony attacked the rim, a big body seemed to be waiting.    

  • [New York Times] Thunder Strike First, Take 1-0 Lead on Grizzlies (Mon, 06 May 2013 07:12:43 GMT)
    Kevin Durant was in just the right spot and, once he had the ball, knew exactly what to do with it.    

  • [New York Times] Griner in Her Own Words (Mon, 06 May 2013 05:32:59 GMT)
    Brittney Griner recorded a video for It Gets Better, a project that inspires lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender youth with positive messages.    

  • [New York Times] Game 1: Knicks vs. Pacers Replay (Mon, 06 May 2013 04:37:51 GMT)
    The Pacers’ defense outmuscled the Knicks in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference semifinals.    

  • [New York Times] Essay: Brittney Griner, Proudly Park of a Mission to Help Others Live in Truth (Mon, 06 May 2013 04:04:21 GMT)
    In a personal essay, Brittney Griner writes, “Just as basketball doesn’t define who I am, neither does being gay.â?    

  • [New York Times] Roundup: Thunder Edge Grizzlies in Game 1 (Mon, 06 May 2013 03:17:55 GMT)
    After Derek Fisher poked the ball away from Memphis’s Mike Conley, Kevin Durant’s jumper put Oklahoma City ahead to stay with 11.1 seconds left.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: As His Past and Present Collide, Walsh Wins Either Way (Mon, 06 May 2013 02:38:03 GMT)
    After transforming the Knicks into their current win-now iteration, Donnie Walsh returned to Indiana to oversee the up-and-coming Pacers.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Playoffs â?? Knicks Fail to Solve Pacers’ 7-2 Roy Hibbert (Mon, 06 May 2013 02:07:12 GMT)
    The Knicks had trouble fending off the Pacers’ Roy Hibbert, who dominated inside and limited the shooting of Carmelo Anthony.    

  • [New York Times] Pacers 102, Knicks 95: Pacers’ Aggressive Defense Proves Too Much for Knicks (Mon, 06 May 2013 00:59:18 GMT)
    Indiana led for the entire second half, by as many as 16 points, as the Knicks struggled on offense against the Pacers’ aggressive, physical defense in Game 1.    

  • [New York Times] Nets Will Replace P. J. Carlesimo as Coach (Mon, 06 May 2013 00:36:14 GMT)
    General Manager Billy King said he did not want to rush the search process, which was expected to include top N.B.A. assistants and established head coaches.    

  • 34 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, May 06 2013)

    1. Brian Cronin

      Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe was the lone dissenter in the MVP voting.

      Here is his explanation: http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/05/05/yes-voted-carmelo-anthony-for-mvp-and-for-good-reason/Yo08ZgzGaxzlt9KF0JDfqM/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw

      Honestly, it sounds pretty dumb. Not so much his argument for Melo (I disagree with it, but eh, whatever, it is not an awful argument – wrong, but not awful) but the idea that he was shocked that everyone else was voting for Lebron. Come on, dude, that’s weak sauce. You’re an NBA beat writer, your job is to know what is going on in the NBA and it was pretty damn clear to the whole world a month ago that Lebron was everyone’s pick for MVP.

      So if you want to make a statement and pick Melo for whatever reason, go ahead, just own up to the fact that you were, indeed, making a statement.

    2. Hubert Davis

      I don’t get this whole process of giving people votes than crucifying them for their vote.

      Also, I accidentally heard Stephen A Smith on ESPN Radio this morning in a cab. Said he “didn’t want to hear!” the Knicks cry about the officials because they settled for jump shots. Said “if you want to go the LIIIIIIINE, you GOT to at-TACK the BASKET!”

      I don’t want to hear the Knicks cry either, but does this guy even try to watch the games and adapt accordingly?

    3. Nick C.

      Did Stephen A. watch the game? Melo did go at the basket and walked away with no calls and plenty of contact. In a world where Lebron can’t miss a contested jump shot without getting a whistle that’s a strange line of thought. In fact maybe he should watch tonite and see if LeBron and Wade wind up shooting “4-13 and Noah has 4 blocks” or if Noah is on the bench with foul trouble 7 minute mark of the first quarter.

    4. er

      How did Melo end up with a plus seven if he was so supposedly awful? I know how, when he picked up the bullshit 4th foul indiana expanded the lead to like 16. I dont understand the need to take guys out due to fouls especially in the playoffs.

    5. Hubert Davis

      I don’t know, Nick C. I got the impression from listening to him that he’s kinda like a Teddy Ruxpin and he only has some pre-recorded material that he plays no matter the situation.

    6. Hubert Davis

      A quick thought on the referees:

      I thought they made some bad calls. Melo’s 5th was poor, and they were very generous to Roy Hibbert (who would be Bill Russell if he got that kind of whistle consistently).

      But that wasn’t a terribly officiated game of basketball. It was one that favored a certain style, but you get that from time to time. I really think we all need to chill with the “These refs suck” chants. They kind of lose their effectiveness when you have that at every single game. And this is coming from the guy who led the “the fix is in” brigade on Friday afternoon (and I was right, by the way. THAT was a poorly officiated game).

    7. Matt Smith

      I’m happy to see that Melo’s excuse for losing was that the Pacers outplayed us. Judging from the comments yesterday, I might be the only one who thought the foul calls weren’t all that bad. Yes, the refs missed a few (Melo getting smacked in the face, etc), but overall I thought Hibbert was doing a monster job at going straight up and denying shots.

      When the refs get blamed, the Knicks don’t get criticized as much for poor play. Tyson was a mess on the boards and on help defense. Our P&R with Ray was our best play, and Woodson refused to run it down the stretch. Melo and JR resorted to hero ball*. We didn’t run our oh-so-criticized double-team defense when this was the opportune time (Indiana has bigs that can’t pass effectively out of traps and poor 3 point shooting). There are a ton of things that we can fix going forward.

      *One point on this – I’m not opposed to iso offenses when we have people that are as good as Melo and JR at scoring. However, one of the things that made our offense so strong was that both (JR to a lesser extent) knew when to pass to give us the open three. Over the past 4 games, that’s gone away. We need it back, and our three point shooters (looking at you, J-Kidd…) need to start connecting.

    8. JR Sec 112

      Hubert Davis:
      A quick thought on the referees:

      I thought they made some bad calls.Melo’s 5th was poor, and they were very generous to Roy Hibbert (who would be Bill Russell if he got that kind of whistle consistently).

      But that wasn’t a terribly officiated game of basketball.It was one that favored a certain style, but you get that from time to time.I really think we all need to chill with the “These refs suck” chants.They kind of lose their effectiveness when you have that at every single game.And this is coming from the guy who led the “the fix is in” brigade on Friday afternoon (and I was right, by the way.THAT was a poorly officiated game).

      When you have 2 teams that are relatively evenly matched, a couple of key calls makes ALL the difference. Melo’s 5th was totally key – he couldnt play ANY defense after that and Indiana immediately went to the post against him with success. And give Roy Hibbert another foul in 1st half (and i believe he could have gotten 2 or 3), and that changes the way Hibbert guards the basket and the whole complexion of the game. The Knicks didnt play well, but I think they have an over 50% chance of winning that game if those calls are reversed. And if they play well on Tues (and Chandler shows up) and just get an even whistle, they should beat this team by 10-12 points.

      Hence i dont get the panic on this board. Its not like the Knicks are overmatched. Its not going to be an easy series, but no one should have expected that.

    9. er

      Also the melo blame is miopic. Chandler got Kilt by hibbert today, and this is the most important match up of the series. Kidd is Kidd, and JR refuses to drive

    10. er

      d-mar:
      Jason Kidd hasn’t scored a single point in 5 straight games. Wow.

      I think kidd should only play if someone is in foul trouble in game 2. let him enjoy the long break. Shump prig and cope should take all of his mins

    11. Hubert Davis

      Here’s the thing:

      There will be games in this series where the whistle favors the physical team. But there will also be games in this series where Hibbert and West are plagued by foul trouble because it’s being called close.

      Similarly, yesterday was a day when the Pacer reserves were outstanding. There will be games when they are themselves (which is ordinary to poor on offense).

      Melo & JR were shit yesterday. I’d like to think there will be games when they aren’t, but truthfully that’s the hardest thing to envision right now.

      I’m not really on the ledge today. I would have liked to have seen us keep our cool better. I would have liked Woodson to see that the Chandler-Martin-Felton-JR-Kidd lineup was killing us and not stay with it as long as he did (frankly, that idea should have been shot down in a coaches meeting and never seen the light of day).

      But that was just a day where things don’t go your way. I think we’ll win Tuesday and get a split in Indiana. I’d favor us to win 2/3 the rest of the way, but this is going to be HARD. This is a real tough team to play.

      As an aside: remember all those hockey assists we used to rack up? Those were nice.

    12. yellowboy90

      I still would like to see Melo post early work it down then pass on the turn and not try to muscle it up. Another thing is more posts at the elbow. They are not defending like Boston so it may open the lane up.

    13. Garson

      Noticed about 3-4 times where knicks doubled on the high post leaving a wide open 3 for Augustine, Hill on the corner 3.

      there are few players on this team that should be double teamed (maybe only west when melo taking him) especially leaving a open 3 for one of their sharpshooters. Hopefully Woodson caught this and makes the adjustment

    14. Hubert Davis

      er:
      How did Melo end up with a plus seven if he was so supposedly awful? I know how, when he picked up the bullshit 4th foul indiana expanded the lead to like 16. I dont understand the need to take guys out due to fouls especially in the playoffs.

      In fairness, Woodson did a great job leaving him in with his 5th. I don’t want to give him too much credit for that because I think it was kind of obvious, but you do see a lot of coaches neglect to do that.

    15. Hubert Davis

      I would love it if someone with synergy or whatever could post Melo’s splits with the starting lineup vs without.

      I feel like whenever he’s playing with Shump & Prigs he’s doing a hell of a lot better than when he’s with Kidd & JR.

    16. er

      Garson:
      Noticed about 3-4 times where knicks doubled on the high post leaving a wide open 3 for Augustine, Hill on the corner 3.

      there are few players on this team that should be double teamed (maybe only west when melo taking him) especially leaving a open 3 for one of their sharpshooters. Hopefully Woodson caught this and makes the adjustment

      augustine was a back breaker

    17. Hubert Davis

      Garson:
      Noticed about 3-4 times where knicks doubled on the high post leaving a wide open 3 for Augustine, Hill on the corner 3.

      there are few players on this team that should be double teamed (maybe only west when melo taking him) especially leaving a open 3 for one of their sharpshooters. Hopefully Woodson caught this and makes the adjustment

      Yeah, the late play where Felton doubled off (Hill or Augustin, I don’t remember) to help on Hibbert and immediately Hibbert threw it back to this man for the open 3 that pretty much sealed the game was frustrating.

      I think Melo was guarding Hibbert on a switch with 5 fouls and that may be why it happened. Still, poor defensive execution by the Knicks there.

    18. thenamestsam

      If people are freaking out over the refs in a game where the total fouls were even and we shot 3 fewer fts everyone is going to literally lose their mind if we’re fortunate enough to play Miami. That was a truly horribly officiated game, but it wasn’t obvious to me that Indiana gained more than a small advantage off it. The reality is that as a partisan fan if five terrible calls go against you and five terrible calls go for you, it feels like the refs are screwing you because the calls against you stick in your head while the calls for you are quickly dismissed. How about the moving screen call on West where JR clearly flopped? How about the foul called on West posting Shumpert (I think) in transition that took a layup off the board for the Pacers? How about that call on Sam Young trying to get around a blatantly moving Felton screen? How about the drive where Paul George got freaking clobbered by about 4 guys, threw up a crazy layup that went in, and the refs swallowed their whistles? Anyone remember those?

      Honestly this game reminded me a lot of the early series games between the Pacers and the Heat from last year. The Heat were getting in the lane effectively but getting shut down by Hibbert and not getting the calls they were looking for. What the Heat figured out was how to take advantage of the space Hibbert is offering by dropping back other than by driving straight into his chest. Hibbert is a one dimensional defender who can’t guard in space, but if you drive the ball right to him there is literally nobody better in the league. We might have had a few more calls, but we played directly into his hands. Melo and JR have to be a bit craftier – pull up for jumpers at times, make a floater here and there, find Tyson/KMart on the baseline (Tyson needs to do a much better job of looking for this pass).

    19. er

      I agree with you for the most part but melo took 6 fts. After continuously driving the refs just made a conscious decision to not call anything. 2 of them came on that blatant hansboro foul. Paul George was no where near as agressive and took more fts.

    20. Hubert Davis

      Another thing:

      There were some prominent people on Twitter claiming Woodson should’ve taken the fine and complained about the officials to set up game 2.

      I’m thrilled that he didn’t.

      Most crews will not be so physical-play friendly. We’ll get a better whistle as it stands. I’m happy he made sure the team knew it was all on them.

    21. Hubert Davis

      thenamestsam:

      Honestly this game reminded me a lot of the early series games between the Pacers and the Heat from last year. The Heat were getting in the lane effectively but getting shut down by Hibbert and not getting the calls they were looking for. What the Heat figured out was how to take advantage of the space Hibbert is offering by dropping back other than by driving straight into his chest. Hibbert is a one dimensional defender who can’t guard in space, but if you drive the ball right to him there is literally nobody better in the league. We might have had a few more calls, but we played directly into his hands. Melo and JR have to be a bit craftier – pull up for jumpers at times, make a floater here and there, find Tyson/KMart on the baseline (Tyson needs to do a much better job of looking for this pass).

      Solid point.

      The Heat are a lot smarter than us, but I think we’ll figure it out eventually. I mean, how many times can any animal with a brain run straight into a wall and not decide it might be better to find a way around it?

      (Incidentally, I once had a bassett hound who was mentally challenged and used to run into obstacles repeatedly. Someone would ring the door bell, he’d want to run to the door but would run into a table instead. Then instead of jumping over the table or walking around it, he’d back up and run into the table even harder. It was kind of adorable. I thought of him a lot yesterday. And it’s never good when your superstar forward reminds you of your slow-brained dog.)

    22. flossy

      thenamestsam:
      If people are freaking out over the refs in a game where the total fouls were even and we shot 3 fewer fts everyone is going to literally lose their mind if we’re fortunate enough to play Miami. That was a truly horribly officiated game, but it wasn’t obvious to me that Indiana gained more than a small advantage off it. The reality is that as a partisan fan if five terrible calls go against you and five terrible calls go for you, it feels like the refs are screwing you because the calls against you stick in your head while the calls for you are quickly dismissed. How about the moving screen call on West where JR clearly flopped? How about the foul called on West posting Shumpert (I think) in transition that took a layup off the board for the Pacers? How about that call on Sam Young trying to get around a blatantly moving Felton screen? How about the drive where Paul George got freaking clobbered by about 4 guys, threw up a crazy layup that went in, and the refs swallowed their whistles? Anyone remember those?

      Honestly this game reminded me a lot of the early series games between the Pacers and the Heat from last year. The Heat were getting in the lane effectively but getting shut down by Hibbert and not getting the calls they were looking for. What the Heat figured out was how to take advantage of the space Hibbert is offering by dropping back other than by driving straight into his chest. Hibbert is a one dimensional defender who can’t guard in space, but if you drive the ball right to him there is literally nobody better in the league. We might have had a few more calls, but we played directly into his hands. Melo and JR have to be a bit craftier – pull up for jumpers at times, make a floater here and there, find Tyson/KMart on the baseline (Tyson needs to do a much better job of looking for this pass).

      Just want to co-sign all of…

    23. flossy

      You may not like the degree of contact that was allowed by the refs, but the fact of the matter is that this game was officiated pretty consistently. Once it has become clear that the officials will not reward you for driving right into the teeth of the defense and throwing up a contested lay-up in traffic (something that should have been obvious halfway through the 1st quarter), it’s a good team’s job to adjust.

      That doesn’t mean becoming less aggressive, it just means playing smarter to neutralize Hibbert’s strength. Involve his man in high PnRs so you can pull him farther away from the basket. Take advantage of the massive amount of space he surrenders by dropping back so far to take uncontested 8-10 ft pull-ups or use the floater, like Felton. Make the extra short pass to Hibbert’s man if he rotates aggressively to contest your shot. Do not just continue to charge face-first into Hibbert’s chest and then make bug eyes at the ref after your shot gets thrown down your throat.

      To his credit, it seemed like Felton was one of the few players who understood this, but when Melo and JR combine to miss 29 FGA and Chandler/Kidd are total non-threats to score, it doesn’t matter.

    24. DS

      Hubert Davis: I don’t get this whole process of giving people votes than crucifying them for their vote.

      Also, I accidentally heard Stephen A Smith on ESPN Radio this morning in a cab. Said he “didn’t want to hear!” the Knicks cry about the officials because they settled for jump shots. Said “if you want to go the LIIIIIIINE, you GOT to at-TACK the BASKET!”

      I don’t want to hear the Knicks cry either, but does this guy even try to watch the games and adapt accordingly?

      Yikes!! I think I actually agree with Stephen A. In addition to what everyone is saying re: Hibbert, I was going crazy when Indy was over the foul limit with like 10 mins. left in the 4th and I felt like the Knicks weren’t nearly as aggressive as they should’ve been. I’m sure this was said 1,000x in yesterday’s thread. I haven’t read the posts.

    25. er

      flossy:
      You may not like the degree of contact that was allowed by the refs, but the fact of the matter is that this game was officiated pretty consistently.Once it has become clear that the officials will not reward you for driving right into the teeth of the defense and throwing up a contested lay-up in traffic (something that should have been obvious halfway through the 1st quarter), it’s a good team’s job to adjust.

      That doesn’t mean becoming less aggressive, it just means playing smarter to neutralize Hibbert’s strength.Involve his man in high PnRs so you can pull him farther away from the basket.Take advantage of the massive amount of space he surrenders by dropping back so far to take uncontested 8-10 ft pull-ups or use the floater, like Felton.Make the extra short pass to Hibbert’s man if he rotates aggressively to contest your shot.Do not just continue to charge face-first into Hibbert’s chest and then make bug eyes at the ref after your shot gets thrown down your throat.

      To his credit, it seemed like Felton was one of the few players who understood this, but when Melo and JR combine to miss 29 FGA and Chandler/Kidd are total non-threats to score, it doesn’t matter.

      Good points. I think this is where the cope at 5 can also help for a few mins like in the reg season match up

    26. Frank O.

      The Knicks have always been vulnerable to physical play.
      They get frustrated. The complain about calls. Then someone gets hurt.
      Everyone knows, if you want to take the Knicks out of their game, put a body to them.
      It’s just tough that they are playing two teams that have figured that out. They survived the wise but old Celts. Now they are playing the younger, stronger, bigger, but probably dumber Pacers.

      They have to shoot well to spread the floor against the Pacers and they have to match their defensive intensity.
      But they have to stop bitching about clear fouls and keep focused on executing their offense and moving the ball.

    27. er

      I just saw some highlights….man Melo was getting hacked. I’m sorry but that’s just bullshit anyway you slice it

    28. JR Sec 112

      er:
      I just saw some highlights….man Melo was getting hacked. I’m sorry but that’s just bullshit anyway you slice it

      Also, its meaningless to look at aggregate foul/FTA stats. What’s important is timing. 11 of 23 knicks FTA were in Q4, after lead had become almost insurmountable. Through Q3, it was 20-12 in favor of Indiana. Also, even though total fouls were 21-21, Q1-Q3 Pacers had 9 fouls, Knicks 14. hence the foul trouble and the overall impact on the game.

      The whistle was just NOT in the Knicks favor. I find it hard to argue with that.

    29. KnickfaninNJ

      Nobody’s mentioned that the Pacers out rebounded the Knicks, 44 to 30 and out shot us by 49% to 435, which way outweighs our edge in turnovers (10 vs. 16).

      I do agree we didn’t drive enough. A case in point, at the end of the game when the Knicks were putting on a last push, Indiana failed to score and JR got the ball and dribbled toward their basket. Their defense wasn’t set, but instead of driving, he pulled up at the three point line and shot a three that missed. It was an open shot, but it would only have taken two more seconds to get to the basket for something surer than a three point try.

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