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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Mar 12 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Boo birds serenade Knicks in loss to 76ers (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 06:02:12 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony heard noticeable boos during pre-game introductions, but the rest of Knicks and coach Mike D’Antoni deservedly felt the crowd’s wrath, too, for what transpired thereafter Sunday at the Garden.

  • [New York Daily News] Lin deep-Sixered at Garden (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 06:00:27 GMT)
    It doesn’t take a Harvard grad to realize his game no longer is a surprise to opposing teams that have scouted his strengths and flaws for more than a month.

  • [New York Daily News] For Knicks, Linsanity gives way to reality (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:01:41 GMT)
    The chants to fire Mike D’Antoni, the ones you’ll be hearing a lot more at the Garden, began in the fourth quarter. They were a bit muddled, dampened by the false hope of another aborted comeback.

  • [New York Post] D’Antoni lets Jeremy off hook for awful effort (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:23:10 -0500)
    Call him “Tef-Lin”
    Mike D’Antoni heard his first “Fire D’Antoni” chants since late January. Carmelo Anthony got booed during intros and after missing a contested 3-pointer with Landry Fields wide open underneath.
    J.R. Smith got booed for being J.R. Smith.
    The Garden was hostile yesterday, but…

  • [New York Post] Knicks playing like dead team walking (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:31:15 -0500)
    Heading into the fourth quarter of yesterday’s game at the Garden, the Jumbotron that hangs over the court flashed images of various Knicks and celebrities pleading with the crowd “to make some noise.â? By the end of the game the noise heard was an assortment of boos and, coming…

  • [New York Post] Source: Carmelo didn’t want J.R. (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 03:53:42 -0500)
    One thing you can’t blame Carmelo Anthony for is the J.R. Smith signing, The Post has learned.
    Contrary to popular belief, Anthony was leery of the Knicks bringing in his former Denver teammate three weeks ago and gave a thumbs down to upper management, according to a person…

  • [New York Post] Anthony, Amar’e benched in fourth (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 01:05:54 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony is fizzling fast.
    Anthony jumped out to a 5-for-7 shooting start in the first quarter yesterday at the Garden against the 76ers.
    He then went 0-for-6 the rest of the way.
    And he was benched for the entire fourth quarter, along with fellow star Amar’e Stoudemire.
    This…

  • [New York Times] 76ers 106, Knicks 94: Chandler Returns but Result Is Same for Struggling Knicks (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 05:30:09 GMT)
    Tyson Chandler was back in the lineup Sunday at Madison Square Garden, where the crowd went from sleepy to cranky as the afternoon wore on and a losing streak grew to five with a loss to the 76ers.

  • [New York Times] Even Without Crosby, Penguins Are Tough to Beat (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:00:25 GMT)
    The Penguins have the second-best record in the Eastern Conference despite playing most of the season without their best player, Sidney Crosby.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Bryant Draws Up Lakers’ Winning Play, but Places Himself on the Periphery (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 05:30:09 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant scored 10 of his 26 points in the fourth quarter and made a go-ahead jumper with 41.7 seconds left, and Bynum’s hook shot over Kevin Garnett capped the Lakers’ victory Sunday.

  • [New York Times] For the 76ers, Strength in Numbers, Not in Stars (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 05:30:21 GMT)
    As the Knicks stick superstars, new signings and a recent phenomenon into a basketball blender and hope for the best, the 76ers continue to build on chemistry that has been developing for years.

  • [New York Times] Courtside Troupe Seeks Dancers Who Defy Age and Other Stereotypes (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 06:07:52 GMT)
    Timeless Torches, a dancing troupe with an average age of 60, held auditions on Saturday for a chance to perform during New York Liberty games and other sports events.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Blow 21-Point Lead, Beat Clippers 97-93 (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:41:08 GMT)
    Dorell Wright scored 18 of his 20 points in the first half, Monta Ellis added 19 points and 11 assists, and the Golden State Warriors knocked the Los Angeles Clippers out of first place in the Pacific Division with a 97-93 victory Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Josh Smith Leads Hawks Past Kings 106-99 (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 03:47:23 GMT)
    Josh Smith scored 19 of his 28 points in the second half for the Atlanta Hawks, who defeated the Sacramento Kings for the eighth straight time with a 106-99 victory Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Mayo Scores 22 to Lead Grizzlies Past Nuggets (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:56:31 GMT)
    O.J. Mayo scored 22 points, including a critical 3-pointer in the closing seconds and the Memphis Grizzlies hung on to beat the Denver Nuggets 94-91 Sunday night to sweep the three-game regular season series for the first time in their history.

  • [New York Times] Jamison, Irving Lead Cavs Past Rockets 118-107 (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 01:11:30 GMT)
    Antawn Jamison scored 28 points and rookie Kyrie Irving came through again in the fourth quarter, leading the Cleveland Cavaliers to a 118-107 win over the Houston Rockets on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Howard Scores 30 as Magic Get Past Pacers 107-94 (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 01:00:54 GMT)
    Dwight Howard had 30 points and 13 rebounds, and J.J. Redick added 18 points and a career-high nine assists as the Orlando Magic ran past the Indiana Pacers 107-94 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Ilyasova Scores 31 Points as Bucks Beat Raptors (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 00:47:30 GMT)
    Ersan Ilyasova had 31 points and 12 rebounds, Drew Gooden added 21 points and the short-handed Milwaukee Bucks beat Toronto 105-99 on Sunday night, their sixth straight victory over the Raptors.

  • [New York Times] Kobe’s Late Jumper Helps Lakers Beat Celtics (Mon, 12 Mar 2012 00:27:30 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant displayed his customary late-game heroics and newfound trust in his team mates to help the Los Angeles Lakers beat the visiting Boston Celtics 97-94 on Sunday.

  • 102 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Mar 12 2012)

    1. Gideon Zaga

      Here we go with the media shit storm. First bullshit Melo never wanted JR, what’s next Melody assulted Pringles. Its actually amusing what people do to print newspapers nowadays.

    2. slovene knick

      No trades and no coaching changes please, until this season is over….no more stirring the shait…..
      It’s obvious that current rooster is not in title contender mode(any mode)jet but also is not as bad as the results show.
      Don’t you all see….it’s the 99 all over again….they are just playing the script…..and this time they will play it right til z end.
      Right.

    3. art vandelay

      There are some critical differences between that 1998-1999 team and this one:

      a) they had some veteran leaders who had played together for the Knicks several season…while that team had turnover prior to season, it wasn´t quite as dramatic as this team´s.
      b) they actually appeared to enjoy playing with one another and the overlap in talent at certain positions didn´t create such dramatic diminishing returns
      c) they played good, hard consistent defense
      d) they had a better coach
      e) Most Importantly: The Eastern Conference was, at least at the top, a LOT weaker that season than it is this year – Miami and Indiana were ok teams but there were no juggernauts that season like Miami and Chicago this season: a 7th or 8th seed this season (which is where Knicks will probably at best land if they make playoffs) is essentially a death sentence, whereas they had more than a fighter´s shot at making it out of 1st round in 99, as they did on the Houston shot.

      And those are just the first 5 major differences that come to mind…I am sure there are quite a few more I have missed.

    4. Gideon Zaga

      Yeah right, except in 99 , you know who the coach was??

      slovene knick:
      No trades and no coaching changes please, until this season is over….no more stirring the shait…..
      It’s obvious that current rooster is not in title contender mode(any mode)jet but also is not as bad as the results show.
      Don’t you all see….it’s the 99 all over again….they are just playing the script…..and this time they will play it right til z end.
      Right.

    5. Gideon Zaga

      art vandelay:
      There are some critical differences between that 1998-1999 team and this one:

      a) they had some veteran leaders who had played together for the Knicks several season…while that team had turnover prior to season, it wasn´t quite as dramatic as this team´s.
      b) they actually appeared to enjoy playing with one another and the overlap in talent at certain positions didn´t create such dramatic diminishing returns
      c) they played good, hard consistent defense
      d) they had a better coach
      e) Most Importantly: The Eastern Conference was, at least at the top, a LOT weaker that season than it is this year – Miami and Indiana were ok teams but there were no juggernauts that season like Miami and Chicago this season: a 7th or 8th seed this season (which is where Knicks will probably at best land if they make playoffs) is essentially a death sentence, whereas they had more than a fighter´s shot at making it out of 1st round in 99, as they did on the Houston shot.

      Yes you missed the coach and that defensive culture? That team brought it on D every night.

      And those are just the first 5 major differences that come to mind…I am sure there are quite a few more I have missed.

    6. LINPHILLY

      Granted, we were already down by around 20pts in the philly game, but D’antoni then (most probably out of absolute desperation) installed the Linsanity crew and they proceeded to cut the deficit to about 10pts. Ok, so it was too little too late, but I noticed the team’s energy take a big jump up. It took on some semblence of the of ‘team play’. I agree with other posters that it may be time indeed to let Davis start with melo and STAT and move lin off the bench with chandler, fields, shumpert and novak. This allows lin to QB on the fly which is in-line with Lin’s playmaking strength. With melo and lin, it is indeed too mechanical and scripted, as well as completely ineffective.

    7. Gideon Zaga

      Amare looks so down here, and he keeps defending Dantoni, makes me wander how Dantoni has killed his career softly on the defensive end. And you know what Melo keeps smiling in his post game interview, I told y’all the dude isn’t self aware and doesnt realise that fans dont like to see that; or maybe its his generation. None of them take things serious anyway with their stupid iPhones, and epads and their dumb grandma glasses.

      http://www.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=xhf60IrXiN4

    8. Gideon Zaga

      DANTONI is so dumb. Who is the stat keeper on the team, let’s call him out. I know most of you have insiders on the team. I know z man gets to sit behind .the bench sometimes. Scream it to them. They must know that Lin/Melo/Stat produce the lowest ppp. The best duo is Lin/Novak. So its simple sub Lin to the bench where he belongs and stop this foolishness. Melo seems to crack a smile or smirk every time he’s asked about strategy. Dude still hasn’t bought in. Dantoni has have the balls to cut their minutes down. At least if they win, he would own the locker room and NY but he’s so dumb and afraid to do it.

      LINPHILLY:
      Granted, we were already down by around 20pts in the philly game, but D’antoni then (most probably out of absolute desperation) installed the Linsanity crew and they proceeded to cut the deficit to about 10pts.Ok, so it was too little too late, but I noticed the team’s energy take a big jump up.It took on some semblence of the of ‘team play’.I agree with other posters that it may be time indeed to let Davis start with melo and STAT and move lin off the bench with chandler, fields, shumpert and novak.This allows lin to QB on the fly which is in-line with Lin’s playmaking strength.With melo and lin, it is indeed too mechanical and scripted, as well as completely ineffective.

    9. Caleb

      I am neutral on MDA. On the one side, the team does look a little out of control, and lately does not look to be giving total effort – that hasn’t been the case before, even when they were going through rough stretches. And it’s always easier to change the coach, because it’s easier than firing 12 players.

      But at the same time.. what are we trying to salvage? Even if there’s a short-term boost, this team isn’t going anywhere serious. There’s been a non-stop rush of roster shakeups, continuity isn’t a bad thing.

      Bottom line: the team is dramatically underperforming expectations because, #1, Amare and Carmelo are underperforming. Even without the rosy glasses, in past years these guys were good to very good players. This year, they each have a TS% around 50. Instead of two borderline All-Stars, we have an average (maybe) starter, and a below-average starter. On top of that, we had months of brutally awful guard play – that was unexpected. No one thought Douglas/Fields would be great, but the shooting percentages aren’t even in the ballpark of past performance. Only Lin has stepped up as a positive surprise, and I’m not sure he’s much better than what we “expected” from Baron.

      You can see the problem is on the offensive end. Last year post-Carmelo, the Knicks had the #1 offense in the league. This year, in the 20s. Our defense is fine.

      Anyway, is it D’Antoni’s fault that Melo and Stoudemire have had terrible seasons? If he doesn’t know how to coach them, why was the offense great last year? (Yes, Billups helped, but not the difference between #1 and #24).

    10. Nick C.

      With Melo that’s just how he is. If you recall, when he was at SU and early in his career it was something that was always commented on (favorably I might add).

      As for the team even if I may complain I think they should just let it play out. It’s been years upon years of everytime there is a blip or downtick moves are made and I hated it then and I hate it now. I’m not sure if the man up top has the taligenia to do that.

    11. KnicksFanInVA

      FWIW, Hollinger places the Bucks ahead of the Knicks for the 8th spot in his Playoff Odds.

    12. d-mar

      @10 Up until recently, I’ve always supported D’Antoni, mostly because of the constant roster changes that he’s had to deal with. And I could even give him a pass on the 4 straight road losses, considering the competition and Chandler’s absence for 2 of them. But the Philly game really, really pissed me off, not because we should never lose to them, but the whole demeanor of the team during the Philly runs. No one seemed to give a crap. And also, why do we get so annihilated in 3rd quarters? Is the other coach making adjustments that our coach can’t deal with?

      The only problem with firing him now is it just means elevating Woodson to head coach, and honestly, what does that accomplish?

    13. Caleb

      d-mar:

      The only problem with firing him now is it just means elevating Woodson to head coach, and honestly, what does that accomplish?

      I used to think Jon was exaggerating when he said there would never be a fix until Dolan sold the team, but I’ve reluctantly concluded that he’s right. The roster is fixable, maybe even within a year or two, but who could be optimistic that we’ll see anything but a quick fix? Or more likely, riding our superstars another two years through some meaningless coaching changes. Phil Jackson is 70 with a hip replacement. If he comes back to the league, it’s gonna be for this? Please…

      Or even if all the cards come up aces… Lin emerges as a really good PG, Shumpert as a starter, Novak keeps it up, Melo and Stoudemire return to form next year… does anyone think we WON’T find a way to screw things up?

      I guess I just don’t have the energy to think about whether the team is better off without MDA, or whether they’ll be 31-35 or 34-32.

      Too depressing.

    14. Owen

      “I used to think Jon was exaggerating when he said there would never be a fix until Dolan sold the team, but I’ve reluctantly concluded that he’s right.”

      Yup. I think that is in fact the Most Valuable Comment of the last five years….

    15. jon abbey

      not happy to be right about that, but as the saying goes, a fish rots from the head down. I would really love to see an organized fan boycott of some kind, not that it would probably matter but you never know.

      #occupyMSG

    16. Frank O.

      I think the most telling comment after the game was Chandler calling out guys on the team for not playing hard on defense.
      A reporter asked him who in particular was not playing hard on the defensive end and Chandler said he wasn’t going there.
      But the implication was clear: both Amare and Melo are weak defenders who play defense sporadically at best. There’s a lot of chatter about Fields, but Amare and Melo are the worst defenders on the team primarily because they don’t try hard.
      Switches are slower, traps are slower, and there’s a lot of spectating on drives to the paint.
      This team was winning when both Melo and Amare were not playing because the guys they had out there played hard at both ends.
      Say what you will about Melo, and I have backed Amare all the way, but their subpar offensive season is not offsetting their atrocious defense.
      Seriously, they probably can’t move Amare’s contract, but they can move Melo. He would net them some strong pieces. It would free Fields to play a more natural position, and with Jeffries back the D improves.
      This team during linsanity played hard at both ends and the ball moved well.
      As currently constituted, the inefficiencies of the two main scorers are hurting the team and the porous D is killing us. We simply can’t get stops because Amare and Melo typically don’t put the effort in there.

    17. RastaPappa

      Did Pringles want Melo to join this Knicks team?? No and that’s part of the problem. Melo doesn’t respect Pringles and Pringles doesn’t respect Melo. Who’s leaving first?

    18. Gideon Zaga

      How many times have I said on this board that MDA pays no attention to detail. Whenever have you heard his players say oh coach madeadjustments or something like that. You’re scared of firing him because of the fear of Woodson. No that’s not what this is about, this is about the culture of this team, that’s what need to change, you fire him and you bring in a different culture. How can a team thrive, when the best player thinks of his coaches strategy as a joke. A team where there’s no accountability on defense. I mean look at Amare, you can say the guy is freakishly gifted and is passionate about the game but just wasn’t taught how to play defense. And guess who’s been his coach most of his career? So sad.

      d-mar:

      The only problem with firing him now is it just means elevating Woodson to head coach, and honestly, what does that accomplish?

    19. Caleb

      RastaPappa:
      Did Pringles want Melo to join this Knicks team??No and that’s part of the problem. Melo doesn’t respect Pringles and Pringles doesn’t respect Melo. Who’s leaving first?

      In practice this is how it will play out – and MDA will be the one to go, since Melo is famous and signed through 2015.

      But it’s not the real issue.

    20. Gideon Zaga

      How I wish they would trade Melo to Chicago and see if he will decide to play D or not. Melo just doesn’t think highly of Dantoni, listen to the guys post game interview, he at one point said that tonight at the Bulls is not about Xs and Os guys just have to play with confidence. Think about it, the guy only thinks about the offensive end of the floor. How about saying once that we need to play better D or take care of the ball. How about Dantoni, don’t even get me started on that one.

    21. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Caleb: In practice this is how it will play out – and MDA will be the one to go, since Melo is famous and signed through 2015.

      But it’s not the real issue.

      The story sounds familiar for Knicks fans. Hire big name coach, give him overrated volume scorers to work with, blame him when the team fails to come close to expectations, fire him (giving him millions in unearned salary), hire new coach, blame poor performance on “learning a system,” construct narrative about “gel” when the team puts up a three-win streak, point fingers when they go on a losing streak, fire coach, trade players for seventy cents on the dollar, repeat.

      How do those 41-25 predictions look now?

    22. Gideon Zaga

      I want MDA to be fired, but he doesn’t have to. I wish he would have the balls to sit Melo or Amare, pay some attention to detail and demand some accountability from the players. Would he do this no, but the chatter around is that Melo will get MDA fired, noooo Dantoni will get himself fired.

    23. Nick C.

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: The story sounds familiar for Knicks fans. Hire big name coach, give him overrated volume scorers to work with, blame him when the team fails to come close to expectations, fire him (giving him millions in unearned salary), hire new coach, blame poor performance on “learning a system,” construct narrative about “gel” when the team puts up a three-win streak, point fingers when they go on a losing streak, fire coach, trade players for seventy cents on the dollar, repeat. How do those 41-25 predictions look now?

      That more or less describes the Knicks for the last decade.

    24. KnicksFanInVA

      I think MDA is gone by tomorrow morning if we get blown out tonight. I wish he would take a bold move by benching Melo and or Stat, but that will never happen, so I’m guessing that tonight is his last stand.

    25. Caleb

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: The story sounds familiar for Knicks fans. Hire big name coach, give him overrated volume scorers to work with, blame him when the team fails to come close to expectations, fire him (giving him millions in unearned salary), hire new coach, blame poor performance on “learning a system,” construct narrative about “gel” when the team puts up a three-win streak, point fingers when they go on a losing streak, fire coach, trade players for seventy cents on the dollar, repeat.

      How do those 41-25 predictions look now?

      This is only part of the story. It’s not so much that we have mismatched scorers as that our two big stars are playing much, much worse than in years past. It’s not even ancient history – the Knicks had the best offensive efficiency in the league last year, post-trade.

      That said, even at their best this team would only be at maybe 50 wins (or 40 in the short season), not a real contender.

      And #2, it’s not D’Antoni’s fault that these two stars are crapping it up. I guess you could argue he never held Stoudemire accountable, but Carmelo wasn’t a good defender in Denver, either. Or maybe George Karl is a slacker.

    26. Caleb

      Gideon Zaga:
      Finniest line was, Melo still winning games for Denver haha. Kids these days have too much time on their hands.

      Best line @3:09, “I feel like I’m at an AA meeting with this $%^&* game. I’m never going to have this drink.”

    27. Gideon Zaga

      I think for the sake of our team, we have to trade Melo if we dont fire Dantoni. Hey at least we used Melo’s star power to build a good team. I like Melo and I think he’s built to thrive in the playoffs, mind u that Dirk plays no defense either and also got torched by Bosh in the finals. But truth is Melo doesn’t fit with this coach and I think it will be easier to replace Melo since it will be harder to find a coach who can build an iso team or find the right mix. So for the sake of the Knicks, we trade Melo.

    28. jon abbey

      Caleb:
      And finally, I will make a bold prediction: the Knicks win tonight.

      I was just thinking this, although not sure I’d go that far. one thing is that Boozer seems to energize Amare like no other player in the league, he dropped 37 on Chicago last game.

    29. KnicksFanInVA

      Apparently not JR Smith either lol.

      Nick C.:
      Who did Melo’s star power help bring in? Not Chris Paul that’s for damn sure.

    30. Gideon Zaga

      the run and gun versus the stick and pop, the headache vs the moustache. Melo vs Dantoni the showdown. Ok this is turning into a joke while my team stays losing. Come on.

    31. Gideon Zaga

      At least it got you Tyson Chandler, the best player according to offensive rating.

      Nick C.:
      Who did Melo’s star power help bring in? Not Chris Paul that’s for damn sure.

    32. Nick C.

      Gideon Zaga: At least it got you Tyson Chandler, the best player according to offensive rating.

      Half this board would argue otherwise and have done so several times. I’ll concede it got the Knicks Mike Bibby.

    33. flossy

      Gideon Zaga:
      I wantMDA to be fired, but hedoesn’t have to. I wish hewouldhavetheballs tositMelo orAmare

      You’re kidding, right? He DID bench Melo and Amar’e for the whole 4th quarter yesterday and after the game Melo said “well I guess he was just saving me for Chicago.”

    34. KnicksFanInVA

      I think he means not to start them.

      flossy: You’re kidding, right?He DID bench Melo and Amar’e for the whole 4th quarter yesterday and after the game Melo said “well I guess he was just saving me for Chicago.”

    35. Gideon Zaga

      why not bench them the whole game, come on, we still lost so what’s .your point.

      flossy: You’re kidding, right?He DID bench Melo and Amar’e for the whole 4th quarter yesterday and after the game Melo said “well I guess he was just saving me for Chicago.”

    36. thenamestsam

      jon abbey: I was just thinking this, although not sure I’d go that far. one thing is that Boozer seems to energize Amare like no other player in the league, he dropped 37 on Chicago last game.

      I also think the Knicks will win tonight, but not even in a positive way. I just know that the Knicks like crushing my hopes and dreams, so when those are all gone they have no choice but to rebuild them for more crushing at a later date. Losing the next 4 in a row wouldn’t even be dispiriting because my spirits are already nonexistent. Winning tonight however, followed by 3 straight losses: That’s dispiriting. You can take it to the bank.

    37. xcat01

      Hey Guys, I just had a horrible thought, what if D’Antoni wants to start Davis over Lin but he has been directed by Dolan to keep starting Lin because of all the money Dolan is making off licensing MSG oversees (especially China). Like I said it is just a thought but I have always believed that Dolan cares less about winning and more about making a buck. Dolan made a lot of money by trading for Melo, he made a lot of money when Linsanity hit.

    38. max fisher-cohen

      @Caleb, you’re forgetting though that we swapped Billups for Chandler. Chandler’s presence can explain some of Amar’e’s struggles. There’s also the fact that Melo was hitting threes at a ridiculously high clip. The problems were there already — Amar’e and Fields struggled — it’s just that without Chauncey and Billups to play Carmelo style ball, they were not nearly as bad.

      It’s true that Melo and STAT have struggled more than anyone ever expected, but in Melo’s top ten performances this year, the Knicks have won three: Opening day vs. the Celtics, a squeaker at Washington, and a blowout @ Sacramento. An effective Melo has not solved our problems. Same thing with STAT. In his best 10 games, we’re 3-7.

    39. max fisher-cohen

      Do you think if we all write letters to David Stern, he might remove Dolan from his stewardship?

    40. art vandelay

      Will we ever see .500 again this season? I feared after that Boston loss we might not, and things are looking a bit bleak now…but again, this team for last 1.5 years has tended to go on horrendous losing streaks followed by breathtaking winning streaks…very volatile…I still think they may have another big run in them, but time is running out.

    41. art vandelay

      If salaries and egos (and Dolan´s heavy hand) were completely thrown out the window in an ideal world, what do we think D´antoni´s favored starting lineup and rotation would look like? Let´s suppose the Knicks operated in a vacuum and D´antoni felt zero job pressure from management and could implement in NY his SSOL system with unbridled autonomy (hypothetical, of course, as will never be possible) WITH THE CURRENT ROSTER (if this were always true since his hiring, obviously they would have a different roster in keeping with his system?

      I would go with (this is not MY ideal lineup, just thinking what would Señor Pringles do):

      Starters –
      PG Baron Davis
      SG JR Smith
      SF Jarred Jeffries
      PF Steve Novak
      C Amar´e Stoudemire

      Key reserves:
      Anthony, Chandler, Shump, Harrelson in that order of importance

    42. bobneptune

      thailandvc:
      bring Isiah back!

      you have the right school, but the wrong guy, bobby knight is the only guy on the planet who could get this group on the right track for the short term!

      either that, or we’d have ‘bullets over broadway’ at a practice in a week……

    43. yoda4554

      Regarding all the “start Davis” comments–

      Baron Davis TS%–36.2%
      Toney Douglas/Mike Bibby TS%–39.0%

      Continue.

    44. ephus

      Given the fact that the Knicks have just announced major ticket price increases for the second year in a row, I do not think that MSG top brass fears that the public is about to give up on the team.

      Still hoping for a playoff appearance out of this team.

    45. thenamestsam

      yoda4554:
      Regarding all the “start Davis” comments–

      Baron Davis TS%–36.2%
      Toney Douglas/Mike Bibby TS%–39.0%

      Continue.

      I think the reasoning for starting Baron has less to do with him being good, and more to do with better balance between the units, at least from my perspective. As I see it one of Lin, Amare or Melo needs to come off the bench because it just doesn’t make sense to have 3 high usage guys playing together much, even more so because all 3 of them are really only valuable when they’re providing high usage because they lack secondary skills for the most part.

      If one of them is going to come off the bench it’s going to be Lin (although I’d prefer Amare) because he’s not an established superstar. So it really has almost nothing to do with Baron. I wouldn’t even change the overall minute distribution much, just mix up the combinations a bit.

    46. Caleb

      It’s a little early to conclude that Baron D. will shoot 30 percent, and his passing is sharp, but he hasn’t done anything to suggest he should play ahead of Lin.

      IMO smart lineup juggling would drop Amare, and either start Novak in a small lineup, or Harrelson or Jeffries at the 4.

      Amare would still get his 30 mpg, but spending less time next to Melo (wasting space while not having the ball) or next to Chandler (standing out on the perimeter).

      Meanwhile you can swap out Shumpert vs. J.R. Smith/Fields, depending on whether you need more O or D on the floor.

      e.g. if Novak starts, you’d want to start Shump at the 2.. can’t have Chandler, Jeffries and Shumpert on the floor at the same time.

    47. Gideon Zaga

      SAS going in on Linsanity right now. This is so unfair, it’s got nothing to do with Lin. What’s the guy who just came from the d-league supposed to do. If only this boneheaded coach knew what he was doing.

    48. Caleb

      You haven’t explained why this is the coach’s fault.. why he caused our $40 million duo to stink this year.

    49. Brian Cronin

      I liked the closing lineup.

      Lin
      Smith
      Fields
      Novak
      Chandler

      Good spacing, theoretically good outside shooting, good defense from Chandler and five guys who actually seem to give a shit.

      Heck, had Lin and Smith not been embarrassingly off on their shots yesterday (including Smith bricking the open layups), that lineup seemed poised to make the game close, which is why I think D’Antoni stuck with them so long. You could play Shump at the 2 if you want more defense. He just played so poorly on offense that D’Antoni couldn’t do it.

    50. Brian Cronin

      Jon’s point about Lin and Davis not pushing the ball is an excellent observation. I have no idea what’s up with that. It can’t be D’Antoni’s idea, can it? But if it is not what he wants, why do they consistently do it?

    51. thenamestsam

      Caleb:
      You haven’t explained why this is the coach’s fault.. why he caused our $40 million duo to stink this year.

      What is a coach’s job description if not to ensure that the players play as well as they’re capable of playing?

      He’s in charge of making sure the guys play well, and that consequently the team plays well as a whole. He’s clearly failing at that job. When you fail at your job for a long period of time, you get fired, regardless of whether there are extenuating circumstances.

    52. Brian Cronin

      The Dwight Howard stuff continues to mystify me. He apparently wants to sign with a new team so that his new team won’t have to gut their team to get him. Which is fine, of course, but if that is the case, why in the world would Orlando not trade him now then? If the guy is already telling you he is not going to re-sign with you, why keep him? It’s not like they’re winning a title this year and they’ll make the playoffs even if they do trade him, so I don’t understand their thought process here. The guy is telling you he is leaving and you’re getting nothing for him, why not trade him for something now?

    53. Owen

      I kind of feel like Lin tries to push the ball, but there generally is no one other than Fields and Smith running the break in front of him….

    54. tenebrous

      explanation about dantoni as a coach: dantoni was/is a point guard. point guard relay heavily on there teammates. (at least the old point gurards / non penetrating John Wall point guards). a point guard coach thinks his team knows what to do at all times. hence the discrepancy.

      …. with this team dantoni needs a board with him at all times and run plays like in baseball / football

      …. 19-23

    55. Brian Cronin

      I kind of feel like Lin tries to push the ball, but there generally is no one other than Fields and Smith running the break in front of him….

      But he played the whole fourth quarter with Smith and Fields, with the Knicks trailing by a large margin, and he didn’t push the ball. They were down 14 and he was walking the ball up the court.

      I was actually at the game yesterday (anniversary present from my wife) and it drove me nuts (her, too). I was in a section, by the way, with a ton of Asian people. I can only imagine how loud they’d be if Lin had actually had a good game. Instead, it was this awkward silence. Still, it is great to see the effect Linsanity has on the New York Asian community.

    56. Eternal OptiKnist

      The walking the ball up is really irritating. Its been happening since the beginning of the season; i asuumed it was because Melo was bringing it up but that hasn’t changed. You’d think with the improved defense, there’d be more opportunity to push the pace off missed opponents’ shots. Very, very irritating.

    57. DS

      Brian Cronin: The Dwight Howard stuff continues to mystify me. He apparently wants to sign with a new team so that his new team won’t have to gut their team to get him. Which is fine, of course, but if that is the case, why in the world would Orlando not trade him now then? If the guy is already telling you he is not going to re-sign with you, why keep him? It’s not like they’re winning a title this year and they’ll make the playoffs even if they do trade him, so I don’t understand their thought process here. The guy is telling you he is leaving and you’re getting nothing for him, why not trade him for something now?

      If there is any truth to the rumor that he won’t re-sign with Chicago if they give up Boozer, Deng, and Asik (Orlando is supposedly on board w/ that) for him, then it’s completely baffling. That is hardly gutting the Bulls.

    58. JLam

      It just occurred to me that Jeremy Lin didnt save DA job in Feb.
      It was Stats and Melo that saved DA job temporarily…. cause they sat out for most of the games the Knicks won.

    59. Brian Cronin

      If there is any truth to the rumor that he won’t re-sign with Chicago if they give up Boozer, Deng, and Asik (Orlando is supposedly on board w/ that) for him, then it’s completely baffling. That is hardly gutting the Bulls.

      Agreed. And by the way, if the Magic seriously would take that deal, then why the heck aren’t the Knicks offering Melo/Chandler? Melo/Chandler is better than Deng/Boozer/Asik and Howard presumably would re-sign here, right?

    60. Eternal OptiKnist

      and do we seem like the only team in the league that can’t finish a fastbreak?

    61. art vandelay

      I think Orlando foolishly wants to call his bluff and believes there is at least a decent shot he won´t be willing to give up the extra $30 million or so at the end of the day to go to the team of his choice….taking this sort of high-stakes gamble that will impact the next 5-10 years of a franchise´s existence in a brand new arena when all evidence at the moment suggests Dwight won´t blink seems outrageously reckless to me if they go forth with it.

    62. jon abbey

      Eternal OptiKnist:
      The walking the ball up is really irritating.Its been happening since the beginning of the season; i asuumed it was because Melo was bringing it up but that hasn’t changed.You’d think with the improved defense, there’d be more opportunity to push the pace off missed opponents’ shots.Very, very irritating.

      exactly. when Shumpert was starting at PG, he pushed it up for a while and Baron generally gets it up pretty quickly, but most Knicks PGs all year have been walking it up. it makes no sense to me, it’s been pissing me off all year. it’s not about the fast break either like Owen said, it’s every time, off made baskets, off misses, when all nine other players are already ahead of the play.

    63. themark

      Eternal OptiKnist:
      and do we seem like the only team in the league that can’t finish a fastbreak?

      When i see other teams with a 2v1 or 3v2 fastbreak, 90 percent its a score, but for the knicks i hold my breath hopin we dont get a turnover. smh.

    64. Eternal OptiKnist

      themark: When i see other teams with a 2v1 or 3v2 fastbreak, 90 percent its a score, but for the knicks i hold my breath hopin we dont get a turnover. smh.

      Very true…and if not a turnover, we pull back out to the 3 point line and set in the halfcourt…oh wait…thats a turnover in its larva stage..

    65. Eternal OptiKnist

      sorry for my negativity, i’m on very little sleep and eating healthy. Bad combo

    66. Cousyfan

      JLam: It just occurred to me that Jeremy Lin didnt save DA job in Feb.It was Stats and Melo that saved DA job temporarily…. cause they sat out for most of the games the Knicks won.

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
      That made me feel just a little better.
      THANKS!

    67. Brian Cronin

      Davis walked it up yesterday, as well. It didn’t become really aggravating until the fourth quarter, though. When you’re down big, you simply cannot walk the ball up the court, and yet…

    68. themark

      Eternal OptiKnist:
      sorry for my negativity, i’m on very little sleep and eating healthy.Bad combo

      think it’s hard for anyone to be positive right now as a knicks fan. one last observation before i shut my mouth till the end of tonight’s game; i’ve seen people hate on melo and what not but i really think the coaching staff is terrible. The players don’t seem to have any sense of basic team basketball, like how to defend PNRs, how to move off the ball (both defense and offense), how to box out…pretty much all the basic skills necessary to play in the NBA. Hopefully we have a coach who can discipline and change this team because right now we aren’t going anywhere.

    69. DS

      Brian Cronin: Melo/Chandler is better than Deng/Boozer/Asik and Howard presumably would re-sign here, right?

      I think Melo, Ryan Anderson, Chandler, and J. Richardson, Nelson would do very well in the East playoffs.

    70. art vandelay

      I have noticed (especially with the Red Baron) that it takes us a long time to get into our sets and if they are stifled, we wind up with the Baron taking an off-balance heave or the ball just being passed around like a hot potatoe on the perimeter…this occurs as well with Lin but he has, up to now, been better at getting into lane and finishing or drawing a foul, or finding Novak with shot clock winding down.

      Either way, I too have definitely noticed that bringing the ball up slowly (I didn´t really equate this, though, to why we find ourselves so frequently running up against shot clock offensively) has hindered the offensive continuity.

      Also, it doesn´t help that the first pass frequently goes to Landry Fields, who puts up that god-awful and useless pump fake (as if the defender really fears a 26% 3-point shooter might hoist one!), then dribbles around for a while essentially going nowhere sometimes in a circle, and finally throws ball back out to the 3-point line where it is either picked off for a 2-point layin going the other way or precariously lands in the hands of a Knick with an additional 8 seconds already having elasped from shot clock; maybe 1 time out of every 10 Landry makes a solid move to the hoop and something good happens, but usually he just dribbles around in vain.

    71. Brian Cronin

      I think Melo, Ryan Anderson, Chandler, and J. Richardson, Nelson would do very well in the East playoffs.

      Right? So it must be the Knicks who are not pursuing it, for whatever reason.

    72. villainx

      I don’t know why the Knicks haven’t been pushing the ball up (all the time or much more often). The Knicks have the weapons to make it work, and they have a coach that does that sort of stuff. So why?

    73. nicos

      I know Lin had at least one turnover trying to push. Melo and Fields had a two on one that wasn’t spaced well (Fields fault, I think) and led to Fields getting his shot blocked and on another Melo completely missed Fields open under the basket and took a transition three so even when they did push they didn’t do so very effectively. Also, Philly gets back on D as well as anyone in the league so they’re pretty hard to run against. I also think the Knicks wings- probably Fields more than anyone- tend to just sprint down court and look for the long lob rather than wait for the ball a bit and run a traditional break which leads to a lot of long passes that get broken up or just sail out of bounds. Also, Amar’e is not a very good outlet passer- the point guard almost always has to come back to him a bit before getting the ball, delaying the break. Chandler is better but he’s no Wes Unseld. The second unit- especially Shumpert- has run well off of turnovers but securing every rebound is a struggle which limits running opportunities.

    74. Caleb

      art vandelay:
      I think Orlando foolishly wants to call his bluff and believes there is at least a decent shot he won´t be willing to give up the extra $30 million or so at the end of the day to go to the team of his choice….taking this sort of high-stakes gamble that will impact the next 5-10 years of a franchise´s existence in a brand new arena when all evidence at the moment suggests Dwight won´t blink seems outrageously reckless to me if they go forth with it.

      Yup, they are testing the Mark Cuban philosophy. Remember how angry he was about the Chris Paul trade? He basically said, the owners locked out the players in order the get this system where the “home” team has a huge financial advantage in re-signing players – and then the league itself panicked and let go of CP3.

      Gotta say – Howard seems to be saying pretty loudly that he wants to leave, but Orlando might be making a reasonable gamble. I can’t think of any other basketball player (athlete?) who’s walked away from $30 million. Even if, IMO, they should do it more often. (I don’t mean your run of the mill star – I mean the guy who’s already made $100 million. What’s $100 million vs. $130 million? To live where you want to live for a few years, play with who you want to play with, win win win.

    75. bluemax

      Since I see the D. Howard subject mentionned a few times here, there is a question I am dying to ask this board. Let’s assume that Howard joins forces this year or the next in brooklyn with D.Williams, wouln’t any of you start watching some of those net games? I know I will!. Couldn’t resist getting even somehow with dolan, Melo for those outrageous prices for pitful underperfomances!
      That somehow would be retribution and might light up a fire under dolan’s ass or Melo’s!

      It sure would be nice to see some real competition for a change!

    76. Owen

      Where would Howard go where he could compete for a championship, live somewhere warm, and have a max contract?

      Houston, Dallas, and where else? Not really sure what his options are.

      Could the Clippers have made a run at Howard, something like Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan maybe?

      Or would that be nuts….

      Probably nuts, since Griffin is great. It’s actually interesting how much greater he would be if he could shoot 75% from the line…..

    77. Caleb

      @88 I think Dallas with Howard and D-Will is pretty likely… maybe 60 percent. 35 percent take the money and stay in ATL. Maybe 9 percent sign & trade so he gets all the money. 1 percent Jersey.

    78. Brian Cronin

      Melo completely missed Fields open under the basket and took a transition three

      I dunno if it showed up on the telecast, but the crowd groaned even before Melo took that three because he missed Fields alone under the basked and when he then missed it? Ouch.

    79. Brian Cronin

      Since I see the D. Howard subject mentionned a few times here, there is a question I am dying to ask this board. Let’s assume that Howard joins forces this year or the next in brooklyn with D.Williams, wouln’t any of you start watching some of those net games?

      I’ll check the games out on YES more often than I check out the New Jersey games (which is essentially never), but they’d never be real competition for the Knicks, I don’t think.

    80. Owen

      Mark Cuban must feel pretty good about himself then. Dirk, Howard, Deron? That’s a pretty fair trio. Beaubois, Mahinmi, and whoever else as filler….

    81. Brian Cronin

      Here’s an interesting question. Whether they will trade him or not, do you think that the Knicks are even making inquiries right now with other teams about Melo? Testing the waters, as it were?

    82. danvt

      “It’s something that we got to not get used to. I came here for a reason. I came here to win. And that’s something that’s still close to my home.”

      Well, I sure feel a lot better now.

    83. d-mar

      art vandelay:

      Also, it doesn´t help that the first pass frequently goes to Landry Fields, who puts up that god-awful and useless pump fake (as if the defender really fears a 26% 3-point shooter might hoist one!), then dribbles around for a while essentially going nowhere sometimes in a circle, and finally throws ball back out to the 3-point line where it is either picked off for a 2-point layin going the other way or precariously lands in the hands of a Knick with an additional 8 seconds already having elasped from shot clock; maybe 1 time out of every 10 Landry makes a solid move to the hoop and something good happens, but usually he just dribbles around in vain.

      That is so spot on about Fields. The only thing accomplished by giving him the ball early in the shot clock is killing the first 10 seconds of the 24.

    84. bluemax

      Brian Cronin: I’ll check the games out on YES more often than I check out the New Jersey games (which is essentially never), but they’d never be real competition for the Knicks, I don’t think.

      I beg to differ. A Championship contender in Brooklyn which a howard/williams team could be, would give the knicks a run for their money. And that would be divine justice after what we had to suffer under dolan’s inept ownership! That might finally shake things up.

      Reinsdorf from Chicago once famously said ” management wins Champioships”. He may have had a point. Of course drafting MJ didn’t hurt. But then again,Dolan in the same situation probably would have traded MJ’s rights away or bungled everything anyway.

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