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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Mar 11 2013)

  • [New York Post] Without stars, Knicks face brutal Western swing (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:49:22 -0500)
    SAN FRANCISCO â?? Go West, old men!
    Amar’e Stoudemire stayed in New York for another impending knee surgery as the NBA’s oldest, most fragile title contender flew West yesterday. The Knicks embark on their long-feared, five-game, eight-day West Coast trip, opening tonight against Stephen Curry and Golden State.
    Stoudemire…

  • [New York Post] Woodson’s crew has been down this road before (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 02:20:37 -0500)
    SAN FRANCISCO â?? This is a lesson everyone learns when they sign on for New York City: Even when you’re supposed to be an underdog, you’re an overdog. Even when nobody identifies you as a dominant team, everybody revels in your misery.
    Los Angeles gets that a little. Chicago…

  • [New York Post] Defiant Stoudemire to fans: I’ll be back (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 02:25:45 -0500)
    SAN FRANCISCO â?? Amar’e Stoudemire sent a message to his fans last night to not count him out. Ever.
    On the verge of undergoing right-knee debridement surgery as soon as today, Stoudemire posted on his Twitter account: “To my true fans who understand my heart…This is the life that…

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks aiming to ‘scratch and scrap’ way through west coast trip (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 03:16:13 GMT)
    The Knicks won convincingly in Miami in December without stars Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire, and they did so again when faced with that missing combination Saturday night against playoff-contending Utah at the Garden.

  • [New York Newsday] West Coast swing will test Knicks' mettle (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 00:17:07 EDT)
    Amar'e Stoudemire is out for the rest of the regular season. Carmelo Anthony has missed three straight games. And the Knicks, in a tight fight with Indiana and the Nets for second place in the Eastern Conference, open a five-game West Coast trip Monday night at Golden State.

  • [New York Times] Winners of 18 Straight, Heat Try to Stay Focused (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:21:55 GMT)
    LeBron James once carried a team to 66 wins. Ray Allen played for a club that won 19 consecutive games. Dwyane Wade led a team that finished with the Eastern Conference’s best record.

  • [New York Times] NBA Capsules (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 04:24:46 GMT)
    Mario Chalmers scored 26 points, Chris Bosh added 24 and the Miami Heat won their 18th straight game, easily topping the Indiana Pacers 105-91 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Hand Pistons 5th Straight Defeat, 129-97 (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 04:18:54 GMT)
    Blake Griffin led seven players in double figures with 22 points on 9 of 12 shooting and the Los Angeles Clippers beat the Detroit Pistons 129-97 on Sunday night for their 10th win in 13 games.

  • [New York Times] Heat Win 18th Straight, Roll Past Pacers 105-91 (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 04:12:52 GMT)
    It’s not a LeBron James winning streak. It’s a Miami Heat winning streak.

  • [New York Times] Ellis Leads Bucks Past Kings, 115-113 (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 03:54:43 GMT)
    Monta Ellis had 29 points and nine assists for the Milwaukee Bucks, who held off the Sacramento Kings for a 115-113 win on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Irving Injured in Cavs’ 100-96 Loss to Raptors (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 03:27:48 GMT)
    Cleveland coach Byron Scott had some venting to do after his team’s latest second-half collapse. Star guard Kyrie Irving’s shoulder injury didn’t improve his mood.

  • [New York Times] Women’s Roundup: Stanford Beats U.C.L.A. to Extend Pac-12 Title Streak (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 03:26:36 GMT)
    Chiney Ogwumike struggled through one of her worst games, but Amber Orrange led the Cardinal to a win over U.C.L.A. and their seventh-straight Pacific-12 Conference tournament title.

  • [New York Times] Heat Win 18th Straight, Roll Past Pacers 105-91 (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 02:27:43 GMT)
    It’s not a LeBron James winning streak. It’s a Miami Heat winning streak.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Lakers Rise to 8th in West; Heat’s Winning Streak Reaches 18 (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 02:20:49 GMT)
    Dwight Howard helped move the Lakers into the Western Conference’s final playoff spot with a victory over the Bulls, and the Heat coasted past Indiana to extend their winning streak.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Amar’e Stoudemire’s Absence Hurts Knicks’ Offense (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 02:11:53 GMT)
    When the Knicks signed Amar’e Stoudemire in 2010, they ignored his notoriously fragile knees. Now the team faces the scary consequences of that decision.

  • [New York Times] Anderson Lifts Hornets Over Trail Blazers, 98-96 (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:58:09 GMT)
    Ryan Anderson capped a 20-point performance with a layup as he was fouled with 1.8 seconds left, and the New Orleans Hornets snapped a three-game skid with a 98-96 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Carter Leads Dallas to 100-77 Win Over Minnesota (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:27:53 GMT)
    Vince Carter had 22 points and nine rebounds and Dirk Nowitzki scored 16 points to help the Dallas Mavericks to a 100-77 victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Nelson’s 24 Helps Lift Magic Over 76ers, 99-91 (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 00:55:20 GMT)
    Jameer Nelson had 24 points and 10 assists, and Nik Vucevic added 14 points and 17 rebounds as the Orlando Magic held off the Philadelphia 76ers 99-91 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Howard Leads Lakers Over Bulls 90-81 (Mon, 11 Mar 2013 00:12:42 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant was asked what it felt like to be a “playoff team,” his Lakers having just moved into the No. 8 spot in the Western Conference after a 90-81 victory over the Chicago Bulls on Sunday.

  • 48 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Mar 11 2013)

    1. d-mar

      Well, we haven’t played a single game on this trip, and the back page of the NY Post has the headline: “Road to Ruin”. Gotta love the NY sports media.

      (And a request to Mike, could you PLEASE get ride of that picture of Paula Deen on the home page? I know she’s a paying customer, but to see that awful smiling face every time I go to K-Blogger, ugh.)

    2. Hubert Davis

      I feel like whenever we go on these annual killer trips, the first game tells us everything. A win tonight and we will probably end up 2-3 or maybe even 3-2. A no show, and we’re 0-4 heading to Utah via Reno.

    3. SeeWhyDee77

      Yea I kno..i’m dumb late on this one..but I didn’t really wanna comment on Stat because I’m borderline depressed over it. For all his flaws he really has done alot to re-invigorate this franchise. On top of that, he’d really been playing well since his most recent foray in the OR. And now..ANOTHER debridlement. I think what alot of folks are missing is that 1, it’s more like a band aid than a fix. And 2, while it’s cleaning of the fragments- it’s also a treatment for arthritic conditions. And therein lies my fear for Stat’s career- considering the already worrisome condition of his knees and previous surgeries. I hate to say it, but for as well as the team played to start the season..we don’t get far in the postseason without Stat and the way he’d been playing. No chance against Miami. Maybe Joe Budden will be a revelation and help us not miss Stat so much, I don’t know. Don’t get me wrong, I still hope for the best because with or without Stat- the team is damn talented. Dangerous. Explosive. All of that. But Stat’s work in the post balanced it out. We’ll see how it goes. Maybe somehow Indy can play Miami and oust them…but there’s no way Indy falls that far. Now is definitely the time to get Cope some serious burn to allow Melo to get his health back. We will need all he can give and then some. Miami’s got the feel of the 72 win Bulls right now in terms of the roll they’ve been on and the absolute lockdown of the conference. They’ve still got the same weaknesses they’ve always had which is why I believe Indy matches up well with them, but dizzamn they are covering their weaknesses up GOOD.

    4. SeeWhyDee77

      Just wanna add one more thing:
      There is a silver lining in losin Stat to injury. IF Budden is in shape an can stay healthy, his presence along with Camby (fingers crossed) and Shump slowly regaining form, means we will be able to lean on defense as it will be markedly better. It was one game..but Budden in that OKC game gives me hope for the team’s ability to get stops.

    5. Zanzibar

      I’ll miss Amare for the first 40 minutes of a playoff game but not for the final 8 or so minutes. Our best lineup imo to closeout games will be Melo/Smith/Felton/Chandler/Camby. Remember how we suffocated the Spurs offense earlier this season? Camby and Chandler complement one another and give us the option to mix in a 3-2 zone. That lineup could handle post-ups, deter guards from penetrating, secure rebounds – our defense would be on par or better than Heat, Spurs, and OKC. What about offense? Melo ISO –> if double-teamed, pass to JR or Felton –> if closeout comes, JR or Ray take ball strong to hoop -> lob to Chandler or Camby or take shot with good chance for offensive rebound. If we can keep it a half-court game, we should be very competitive.

    6. SeeWhyDee77

      Zanzibar:
      I’ll miss Amare for the first 40 minutes of a playoff game but not for the final 8 or so minutes.Our best lineup imo to closeout games will be Melo/Smith/Felton/Chandler/Camby. Remember how we suffocated the Spurs offense earlier this season? Camby and Chandler complement one another and give us the option to mix in a 3-2 zone. That lineup could handle post-ups, deter guards from penetrating, secure rebounds – our defense would be on par or better than Heat, Spurs, and OKC.What about offense? Melo ISO –> if double-teamed, pass to JR or Felton–> if closeout comes, JR or Ray take ball strong to hoop -> lob to Chandler or Camby or take shot with good chance for offensive rebound. If we can keep it a half-court game, we should be very competitive.

      I agree for the most part because like I said..with or without Stat we are VERY dangerous. Maybe i’m nitpicking but my biggest worry is now in order to have a post offense to balance our perimeter explosiveness..we have to rely on matchups falling in our favor. To be specific- Melo and Cope posting up smaller defenders. Well..Melo we all know can post anybody 6’8″ 240 and down..but Cope not as much. I know we can compensate by throwin lobs, attacking the rim, and usin backdoor cuts..but none of that is the same as having a real post game. If Sheed were healthy, this would be less of a concern. In all likelyhood, the team will need to be even more prolific from the perimeter to keep teams from keying on Melo as the intensity increases. Not that I don’t have faith, but Melo is not the physical freak Stat was or LeBron is. Therefore I can’t expect him to keep rolling right along with no issues- even though he is in great shape.

    7. mr.JayP

      Has anyone mentioned anything about dropping Sheed ? We can’t have two bigs nursing injuries and giving back absolutely 0 towards helping.

      Might as well bring up Sims.

    8. AHouston20

      mr.JayP:
      Has anyone mentioned anything about dropping Sheed ? We can’t have two bigs nursing injuries and giving back absolutely 0 towards helping.

      Might as well bring up Sims.

      I think some other team gave Sims a ten day contract already can’t remember who though

    9. AHouston20

      Yup just checked Sims is on the Hornets/ Pelicans now. Was signed to a ten day on March 3

    10. SeeWhyDee77

      er:
      http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/203314/carmelo-anthony-(knee)-ready-to-go-monday

      Melo is back

      i’m wonderin if he’s rushing back because the stretch run is comin up. I feel like he could sit one more out for treatment and rest, I realize at this point that no one’s healthy this late in the season…but there is no chance that Woody is gonna ride him less hard then he’s been ridin him. As Coach Pringles once said about Lin “until the wheels fall off” lol

    11. mokers

      Girlfriend surprised me with tickets for tonight’s game. Unfortunately I have to work so I may miss some of it, but it’s my first live NBA in a couple of years, so I am very excited.

    12. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      flossy: Are you seriously saying it’s “a blessing in disguise” that a max player with a TS% of .650 sustained a season-ending injury because it will mean more a defined role for fucking Chris Copeland?! Get a grip!

      I know this post wasn’t aimed at me, but I think that Amar’e was playing so well that he was actually earning his max contract, so there’s no possible way that the injury was a blessing.

      My point is simply that his short burst of superstar-level play could have been made to benefit the Knicks long- or short-term (maybe? I’m not sure anyone would trade for him anyway) but now it’s worthless. No value injured and no value for future trades.

      Like I say about every player on the extreme end of the efficiency spectrum (Rudy Gay, Shumpert, Faried, et al.), it would be very hard for Amar’e to put up 65 TS% and give it up on the defensive end as well. He was absolutely a net positive during his short reign as 25-year-old Amar’e. Losing him is BAD for more reasons than one. It’s bad. No matter how you slice it, it’s bad.

    13. Frank O.

      Hate west coast trips. 10:30 start time is killer.
      Hope the guys build off the last win.
      Move that ball. Stop watching Melo! Leave that to us. lol

    14. SeeWhyDee77

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: I know this post wasn’t aimed at me, but I think that Amar’e was playing so well that he was actually earning his max contract, so there’s no possible way that the injury was a blessing.

      My point is simply that his short burst of superstar-level play could have been made to benefit the Knicks long- or short-term (maybe? I’m not sure anyone would trade for him anyway) but now it’s worthless. No value injured and no value for future trades.

      Like I say about every player on the extreme end of the efficiency spectrum (Rudy Gay, Shumpert, Faried, et al.), it would be very hard for Amar’e to put up 65 TS% and give it up on the defensive end as well. He was absolutely a net positive during his short reign as 25-year-old Amar’e. Losing him is BAD for more reasons than one. It’s bad. No matter how you slice it, it’s bad.

      What he said. lol..
      I think we got guys who can step up and ease the sting..but none of them complements what we do on offense like Stat was doing. Defense is probably gonna get better, but how do we compensate on offense? Start Kidd at the 2, Budden at the 4 bring Shump off the bench (but play him more than Kidd) and go with a second unit of Camby, Novak, Smith, Shump, and Prigs? *throws hands up* I’m at a loss with this one. We also need floor spacing and enough defense in the starting 5 for Melo to not lose more efficiency. So..do we start Chandler-Melo-Cope-Shump-Felton? That’s ok in terms of helpin Melo out on offense..but Cope sucks at defense. So then do we keep the current starting 5? White is serviceable on D and knocks down a corner 3 but he’s not enough of a threat on offense in my opinion. I feel much better with Novak plays the 4 instead of masquerading as a 3 cuz wings eat him up…

    15. SeeWhyDee77

      …he has better chances defending guys his size than he does guarding wings. Maybe he should start. I think a rotation with Camby-Budden-Cope or White-Earl-Kidd can work while Novak opens the floor for Melo for 20 mpg as a starter. What to do with Prigs tho? He’s earned a role. UGH!! I guess this is why i’m not a coach lol I obviously would suck at it..

    16. danvt

      Zanzibar:
      I’ll miss Amare for the first 40 minutes of a playoff game but not for the final 8 or so minutes.Our best lineup imo to closeout games will be Melo/Smith/Felton/Chandler/Camby. Remember how we suffocated the Spurs offense earlier this season? Camby and Chandler complement one another and give us the option to mix in a 3-2 zone. That lineup could handle post-ups, deter guards from penetrating, secure rebounds – our defense would be on par or better than Heat, Spurs, and OKC.What about offense? Melo ISO –> if double-teamed, pass to JR or Felton–> if closeout comes, JR or Ray take ball strong to hoop -> lob to Chandler or Camby or take shot with good chance for offensive rebound. If we can keep it a half-court game, we should be very competitive.

      I’m with that but I think option 1 on offense should be Raymond attacking the paint off a pick from Chandler and then picking out a receiver.

      On Amar’e, he came back off the last debridement just fine. This is not career threatening and there’s no reason to jump to that conclusion yet. He’ll come back next year and probably have a 650% TS. The problem with Amar’e is the lack of defense.

    17. danvt

      The team is headed for an ass whoopin’ in the playoffs Amar’e or no.

      It was built to be a 2nd round playoff team by an owner who values star quality over results, as long as he gets paid obscenely.

      We might as well see Copeland and let Shumpert shoot and keep Melo out because if we’re going to rise up over MIA something has to happen on the court that hasn’t happened. A star needs to be born.

      NYG in 2007 had stars come out of the woodwork through an epic run for the ages. Of course, they had great ownership…

    18. danvt

      Meanwhile, I’d like to think we have enough for a 3-2 trip and I’d be stoked with that. Further down the line, if we can keep hold of the Atlantic, I’ll take it.

      After IND 2/20/13 I thought we were headed to oblivion, I’m a little more sanguine on their prospects now.

      That there will be no championship this year seems a forgone conclusion but I hope they fight and give us some thrills before they’re toast. It’s really all you can ask for.

    19. jon abbey

      and it’s a lot easier to squeak into the playoffs and then make a title run in the NFL than the NBA.

    20. SeeWhyDee77

      U know what i’d love to see? (loose interpretation coming)
      Sonny locking the Knicks in the playoffs an tellin them “and now youse can’t leave..til u bring home a trophy at least” and put some serious fight in them cuz we are gonna need it.

    21. flossy

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Losing him is BAD for more reasons than one. It’s bad. No matter how you slice it, it’s bad.

      Right. I agree with this. This injury is bad, bad for Amar’e, bad for the Knicks, and bad for Knicks fans really regardless of your position, whether you wanted Amar’e traded or wanted him to be a major piece of the Knicks. Bad bad bad. Bad short term, bad long term. Bad.

      Saying “oh well, at least the scrubs will play more now” is dumb, and saying “oh well, we were good in the beginning of the season” is also dumb, for different reasons. All we can really do is hope Kenyon Martin can kill it off the bench for 20 mpg and that our entire guard corps collectively start playing waaaay above their pay grade like they did in November.

    22. massive

      According to Twitter, Melo doesn’t know what the source of his injury is, and he thinks he may never be 100% ever again. The front office seriously needs think about firing the medical staff.

    23. flossy

      massive:
      According to Twitter, Melo doesn’t know what the source of his injury is, and he thinks he may never be 100% ever again. The front office seriously needs think about firing the medical staff.

      Ever again, or ever again this season?

    24. SeeWhyDee77

      massive:
      According to Twitter, Melo doesn’t know what the source of his injury is, and he thinks he may never be 100% ever again. The front office seriously needs think about firing the medical staff.

      Good point. I like Roger Hinds on the training staff..but maybe everybody else on the staff needs to go. Either that or this has been one of those strange bad luck seasons injury wise

    25. Z-man

      flossy: Right. I agree with this. This injury is bad, bad for Amar’e, bad for the Knicks, and bad for Knicks fans really regardless of your position, whether you wanted Amar’e traded or wanted him to be a major piece of the Knicks. Bad bad bad. Bad short term, bad long term. Bad.Saying “oh well, at least the scrubs will play more now” is dumb, and saying “oh well, we were good in the beginning of the season” is also dumb, for different reasons. All we can really do is hope Kenyon Martin can kill it off the bench for 20 mpg and that our entire guard corps collectively start playing waaaay above their pay grade like they did in November.

      See, I think that placing your hopes in 2 fragile (doesn’t uninsurable essentially mean fragile?) knees is bad. Maybe we should have signed Brandon Roy and then cried when he played like pre-injury Brandon Roy for a handful of games and broke down. Have you done any research on the shelf-life of microfracture surgery, even after initial success?

      Believing that fool’s gold is gold is about as dumb as you can get. Crying about it when it is proven that the fool’s gold wasn’t gold after all is even more dumb. However dumb it is to say that the same Amare-less scrubs that got us off to an 18-5 record are better to depend on going into these playoffs than a time bomb that is now Amare, it’s not as dumb as crying over something that was nearly certain to happen once it happens.

      Again, who did we beat with Amare that we wouldn’t have beaten without him? Not Indiana. Not Miami, Not Chicago. Not OKC. He may have been a net positive, but to think that he was the difference between playoff success and failure is ludicrous.

    26. er

      massive:
      https://mobile.twitter.com/FisolaNYDN

      According to Isola’s Twitter account, Melo hasn’t been right since Christmas. And yes, Melo said ever again. This medical staff has been incompetent for long enough, and they need to be fired.

      jeezus…..thats crazy since christmas. Man in other injury news is it me or is Kyrie injury prone?

    27. danvt

      Z-man: Believing that fool’s gold is gold is about as dumb as you can get. Crying about it when it is proven that the fool’s gold wasn’t gold after all is even more dumb. However dumb it is to say that the same Amare-less scrubs that got us off to an 18-5 record are better to depend on going into these playoffs than a time bomb that is now Amare, it’s not as dumb as crying over something that was nearly certain to happen once it happens.

      I agree but not because he’s missed so much time. The problem has been the salary, the lack of defense and, until recently, the fit in the offense. He could come back and have a last couple of injury free seasons in NY and I wouldn’t be surprised.

    28. Z-man

      Obviously the salary is what hurts most, as compared with Rasheed, Camby, Kidd, etc.

      Look, we just have a lot of “what if” guys. We have seen glimpses of the potrential of this team if all the “what if’s” came true. Reality is a bitch, though. Still, I am as loyal and long-time of a Knick fan as there is here, and my take is that when the inevitable happens, whether it’s predictable injuries (Amare) regression to career stats (Felton) maddening inconsistency (JR) or ineptitude on one side of the ball (Novak) the only thing left to do is hope that the stars align at the right time and some kind of magic happens, like it did in 1999. Will Melo go on another tear? Will JR catch fire in the playoffs? Will Kidd start sticking 3′s again? Will Shump keep improving? I’m way past STAT right now is all I’m saying.

    29. SeeWhyDee77

      Z-man:

      Again, who did we beat with Amare that we wouldn’t have beaten without him? Not Indiana. Not Miami, Not Chicago. Not OKC. He may have been a net positive, but to think that he was the difference between playoff success and failure is ludicrous.

      I do think that what Stat was bringing to the table would have been the difference in a playoff series. No he’s not Shaq, Ewing, Duncan, or Dream..but his post game is good enough to keep defenses honest. In a 7 game series it’s gonna be easy to key on Melo. But ur right tho..it is ultimately ludicrous to pin hopes on Amar’e. But as that proven second option who has been a multiple time all star and someone defenses have to respect and who has gone through playoff battles and proven himself as top dog..Amare’s presence is huge. Regular season we can work around his absence..playoffs are different. It’s not the end of the world by any stretch..but it does mean come playoff time the players AND COACHES are gonna hafta be twice as good. Melo I have no doubts about. Dude can ball. But in the playoffs I see alot of 10-28 nights for Melo..and that’s really not gonna help us get past teams who know us and can gameplan easier in a playoff series. That is, unless the coaching and supporting cast gets better. Woodson’s gonna hafta scheme better. Novak’s gonna hafta get open. Earl’s gonna hafta make less “risky” plays. Felton’s gonna play better D and get more guys involved. Camby, Martin and Shump are gonna hafta defend like their lives depend on it. Shump’s J is gonna hafta be better. Kidd’s back is gonna hafta hold up. We’ve gotta take and make better shots so that Melo won’t hafta work so hard to get 30. In the beginning of the season he was kinda gettin the easiest 28 of his career. Without another bonafied threat..he’s got alot on his shoulders.

    30. flossy

      Z-man: Have you done any research on the shelf-life of microfracture surgery, even after initial success?

      Kenyon Martin has had multiple microfracture surgeries, actually.

      If you’ve been saying since July 2010 that signing Amar’e was a terrible idea, than you can legitimately say “I told you so.” Otherwise, you have to own up to the fact that a major piece of this team won’t be part of the playoff push this year and that the Knicks are worse off for it.

      You think it’s fools gold to depend on significant contributions from a 6-time all-star, but it’s okay because instead we can rely on the all-star level play from 40 year-old Jason Kidd and .400+ 3 point shooting from offensive non-entities like Brewer/Shumpert that propelled us to a hot start at the beginning of the year. Okay.

    31. Owen

      March to the Finals 1994 on, should be live blogging this.

      Man, Matt Bullard was a beast. ;-)

      Should have liveblogged this game…

    32. Owen

      “Look, we just have a lot of “what if” guys. We have seen glimpses of the potrential of this team if all the “what if’s” came true. ”

      That’s basically describes the last ten years of Knicks personnel decision. Just imagine what would happen if we paired Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Q Rich and a dominant low post scorer like Eddy Curry.

      I just Grunwald can get Dolan to eventually ditch his love of flashy but ultimately mediocre scorers….

    33. ruruland

      danvt: I agree but not because he’s missed so much time.The problem has been the salary, the lack of defense and, until recently, the fit in the offense.He could come back and have a last couple of injury free seasons in NY and I wouldn’t be surprised.

      Defense has been above average the last couple weeks. In combination with his ability to self-create at extremely high efficiency, he was playing some of the best ball of his career.

      If by some miracle the Knicks can still get that guy back, it puts their ceiling pretty much right there with any team.

    34. ruruland

      Owen:
      “Look, we just have a lot of “what if” guys. We have seen glimpses of the potrential of this team if all the “what if’s” came true. ”

      That’s basically describes the last ten years of Knicks personnel decision. Just imagine what would happen if we paired Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Q Rich and a dominant low post scorer like Eddy Curry.

      I just Grunwald can get Dolan to eventually ditch his love of flashy but ultimately mediocre scorers….

      You honestly think this current team compares to those ‘what if” teams?

      Every team is a what if team. What if Lebron doesn’t wear down in the Finals two years ago? What if James Harden doesn’t bomb in the Finals?

      The Knicks are second in the Eastern conference behind one of the 10 best teams of the last 20 years and not because guys are putting up crazy career years.

      Accept it.

    35. ruruland

      Z-man:
      Obviously the salary is what hurts most, as compared with Rasheed, Camby, Kidd, etc.

      Look, we just have a lot of “what if” guys. We have seen glimpses of the potrential of this team if all the “what if’s” came true. Reality is a bitch, though. Still, I am as loyal and long-time of a Knick fan as there is here, and my take is that when the inevitable happens, whether it’s predictable injuries (Amare) regression to career stats (Felton) maddening inconsistency (JR) or ineptitude on one side of the ball (Novak) the only thing left to do is hope that the stars align at the right time and some kind of magic happens, like it did in 1999. Will Melo go on another tear? Will JR catch fire in the playoffs? Will Kidd start sticking 3?s again? Will Shump keep improving? I’m way past STAT right now is all I’m saying.

      The Knicks had the second highest offensive efficiency in the NBA prior to Amar’es injury. Sure, some of that had to do with hot shooting from Jason Kidd and Melo from 3, but the Knicks are still the third most efficient offense in the league.

      They’ve done that while missing close to 50 combined games from Anthony and Stoudemire.

      They’ve done that with their highest usage guards all shooting below .500 TS.

      They’ve done that because they run a very low turnover offense that features multiple 3-point shooters and can consistently create shots in the half-court.

      You’d be hard-pressed to find a more efficient half-court offense outside of San Antonio.

      The Knicks will be fine offensively in the playoffs, and they could be great in the second round or Eastern Finals if Amar’e is back to where he left off.

      It’s the defense that will determine how far the Knicks go, and frankly, the trendline is looking great.

      Shumpert, Martin and Chandler could be the best defensive trio in the post-season.

    36. ruruland

      flossy: Kenyon Martin has had multiple microfracture surgeries, actually.

      If you’ve been saying since July 2010 that signing Amar’e was a terrible idea, than you can legitimately say “I told you so.”Otherwise, you have to own up to the fact that a major piece of this team won’t be part of the playoff push this year and that the Knicks are worse off for it.

      You think it’s fools gold to depend on significant contributions from a 6-time all-star, but it’s okay because instead we can rely on the all-star level play from 40 year-old Jason Kidd and .400+ 3 point shooting from offensive non-entities like Brewer/Shumpert that propelled us to a hot start at the beginning of the year.Okay.

      He also had patella surgery. His knees wore down the last time he got extended minutes for an entire season (2009-10), but I think some sort of platoon system between he and Amar’e makes a lot of sense moving forward into next year.

      Neither guy should ever play another back to back the rest of their careers.

    37. jon abbey

      flossy:

      If you’ve been saying since July 2010 that signing Amar’e was a terrible idea, than you can legitimately say “I told you so.”Otherwise, you have to own up to the fact that a major piece of this team won’t be part of the playoff push this year and that the Knicks are worse off for it.

      I think you’re overlapping arguments, “should we have signed Amar’e to begin with?” is very different from “does Amar’e really make this collection of players better?” especially since maybe the only player remaining 2 1/2 years later is Felton, and even he is on stint 2.

      think of it this way, now we’re rolling the dice with four Nuggets and two Mavs, both teams that had at least as much success as STAT’s Suns teams (only in one season each, but still). JR already is showing better chemistry with Martin than he’s had with any other NY big man, I’d say.

      but now with no Sheed and Amar’e, we really need both Martin and Camby to stay healthy, I wish I could be more confident about that.

    38. ruruland

      jon abbey: I think you’re overlapping arguments, “should we have signed Amar’e to begin with?” is very different from “does Amar’e really make this collection of players better?” especially since maybe the only player remaining 2 1/2 years later is Felton, and even he is on stint 2.

      think of it this way, now we’re rolling the dice with four Nuggets and two Mavs, both teams that had at least as much success as STAT’s Suns teams (only in one season each, but still). JR already is showing better chemistry with Martin than he’s had with any other NY big man, I’d say.

      but now with no Sheed and Amar’e, we really need both Martin and Camby to stay healthy, I wish I could be more confident about that.

      It’s one thing to be old and injury-prone, it’s quite another to expect all these veteran big men to be out injured at the same time after already missing most of the season.

      It would be hard to believe that Camby could get injured again.Kenyon should be fine so long as he’s not overused.

    39. jon abbey

      I mean, we have barely seen him so far, but Camby led the whole league in rebound percentage last year. Amar’e being out frees up 30 minutes more per game for him and Martin, I’m not sure how someone could definitively argue that is a worse fit with the rest of NY’s current personnel. obviously you’d rather have them all healthy, but there aren’t enough big man minutes for all three plus Chandler plus Melo at the 4.

    40. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      I mean, we have barely seen him so far, but Camby led the whole league in rebound percentage last year. Amar’e being out frees up 30 minutes more per game for him and Martin, I’m not sure how someone could definitively argue that is a worse fit with the rest of NY’s current personnel. obviously you’d rather have them all healthy, but there aren’t enough big man minutes for all three plus Chandler plus Melo at the 4.

      Agreed. Which could make the deeper rounds of the playoffs tricky.

      The Knicks certainly become a more defensive-oriented team. There is not a better defensive front-court than Camby, Chandler and Martin, that’s for sure.

      Martin and Camby led Denver to a few top 10 defenses in the West when the back-court was quite porous (Andre Miller, Earl Boykins, Allen Iverson were all very poor defenders against penetration) and the Nuggets played a high-tempo game.

    41. SeeWhyDee77

      And let’s not forget Kurt..who typically is a solid interior defender and rebounder. Without Amar’e this team to me looks like AI’s Sixers on steroids. Meaning..Melo and not much else. Difference is..we have alot more shooting but the defensive talent is just about even. The best thing Woody can do is turn this team into a truly defense 1st squad while Amar’e is out. With vets like Kidd, Camby, Thomas, Budden, and Chandler plus Prigs and a young Shump..there’s plenty of defense to pull it off. We’re gonna hafta sacrifice 100 point games in order to make a run in the playoffs. I got no problem with that..I kinda miss old school grind it out ball. I don’t remember ever seeing a grind it out team with this kind of collective offensive firepower. Maybe Daly’s pistons with Zeke, Dumars, Aguire, and Johnson..but I don’t think they had as much shooting as we have with Novak, Smith, and Kidd. Not 2 mention White, Cope and Felton aren’t bad shooters that can get hot from deep as well. I don’t know..maybe we can pull of a redirection this late in the season.

    42. jon abbey

      d-mar:
      Well, we haven’t played a single game on this trip, and the back page of the NY Post has the headline: “Road to Ruin”. Gotta love the NY sports media.

      good call so far!

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