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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Jun 25 2012)

  • [New York Times] Thunder Aim to Keep Coach (Mon, 25 Jun 2012 04:54:02 GMT)
    General Manager Sam Presti said he considered reports that Phil Jackson or Jeff Van Gundy could be the next coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder to be “rubbish.”

  • [New York Times] Sports of The Times: Rod Strickland Coaches Young Stars on the Ways of the N.B.A. (Mon, 25 Jun 2012 05:16:35 GMT)
    Rod Strickland made his share of mistakes in 17 seasons in the N.B.A., and now he advises young players on how to survive the demands of professional basketball.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Emerson College Makes Splash in N.B.A. (Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:22:04 GMT)
    With the naming this week of Rob Hennigan as the general manager of the Orlando Magic, Emerson now boasts two of the more powerful individuals in the league.

  • [New York Post] NBA will investigate Amar’e Stoudemire’s ‘homosexual slur’ to fan on Twitter: sources (Mon, 25 Jun 2012 04:51:25 -0500)
    The NBA held its first annual social media awards last week to commend the best tweeters, with the Knicks’ Jeremy Lin and Landry Fields copping honors. Now the league is looking into the dark side of player Twitter interaction with fans.
    A source told The Post the NBA plans to…

  • [New York Post] Taylor’s NBA future will be decided close to point guard’s home (Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:27:18 -0500)
    Kansas senior point guard Tyshawn Taylor will be with family in a Hoboken restaurant Thursday, watching the NBA Draft â?? a 10-minute drive from the Prudential Center.
    “I’ll be so close, I’ll be able to hear the cheers,’â?? Taylor quipped.
    Taylor, out of prestigious St. Anthony’s High, is…

  • [New York Newsday] NBA likely to review gay slur on Twitter by Amar'e (Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:33:00 EDT)
    The NBA is expected to review an exchange on Twitter between Amar'e Stoudemire and a fan in which Stoudemire used foul language and a gay slur.

  • [New York Daily News] Amar’e Stoudemire slammed for gay-slur tweet (Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:57:14 GMT)
    In a case of atrocious timing, Knicks superstar Amar’e Stoudemire chose Gay Pride weekend to hurl a homophobic slur at a fan on Twitter. The NBA All Star sent the crude remark Saturday in a direct message response to Brian Ferrelli’s tweet that he’d “better come back a lot stronger and quicker to make up for this past season.â?

  • 30 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Jun 25 2012)

    1. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Amar’e! What a likable star!

      “Ala Iannazzone of Newsday: The NBA is expected to review an exchange on Twitter between Amar’e Stoudemire and a fan in which Stoudemire used foul language and a gay slur. An NBA spokesman said in an email Sunday night that he’s sure the matter “will be reviewed” by the league. The exchange, which was confirmed by a source close to Stoudemire as being sent by the Knicks star.”

    2. stratomatic

      If I was a professional athlete, sports writer, or somewhat controversial person I’m not so sure I would even have a TWITTER account.

      I review some of the things directed at athletes after bad games, at controversial people like Spike Lee, and sports writers that say negative things about teams, and it’s absolutely horrid. No one could have skin thick enough skin to not lose it once in awhile.

      To me, Amare’s comment was more dumb than offensive. He should have known he’d take a lot of heat for it. There are way more offensive terms that are used commonly on TWITTER directed at HIM.

    3. Robtachi

      Little known clause in his contract that voids it for discriminatory behavior?

      Hope springs…

    4. danvt

      If Amar’e and Carmelo don’t win, it’ll have less to do with ability and more to do with what’s between the ears. Lebron lacks judgement at times, may listen to the wrong people at times, and even some of his decisions in the past on the court may have been suspect, but you know he’s always thinking out there.

      I’m a huge fan of Amar’e and Melo. I really want them to succeed. Some of the statistics hawks around here need to not root for the K’s anymore. They’re flawed statistically. There is no expert at statistically based research that could make a good argument that the Knicks will win next year. I’m a fan though. I believe. It’s like religion. I believe Amar’e will grow and become the kind of person who doesn’t punch a piece of glass after an early round playoff loss.
      I’ve already seen Carmelo go from being a petulant coach killing b’tch to being a Jeff Hostetler-esque underdog hero.

      Maybe we get Sullinger. How good would he look in Naranja y azul!

      Glad we can probably bring back Novak and JR. (Though, of course, we’re going to be in legal purgatory. Ugh!) To me, JR won a job last year. He won’t need to jack up as many shots next season if the team get’s healthy.

    5. Frank

      well at least he owned up to it rather than doing the automatic “my twitter account was hacked” excuse.

      anyway – onto more interesting things:
      very cool idea floated through P&T by Dan at Knicks Fan Blog:
      http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/6/25/3116300/two-things-about-the-knicks-complex-offseason

      which is that while we are constrained by the $3MM sent to the Wiz to get rid of Turiaf (and can’t pay cash for a late 1st rounder), we can trade nonguaranteed contracts to guaranteed contracts so that our trade partner can cut those guys and get what is the equivalent of a cash payment. And Seth makes the point that that was the reason Grunwald signed Gadzuric to a 2 year contract (through 12-13) with the 2nd year nonguaranteed. That’s some smart thinking.

      A quick survey of late 1st round teams doesn’t show an obvious trade partner (most of the teams are our rivals, hard to see why they would do that for us), but you never know. One can even imagine a scenario like this:

      Toney Douglas ($2M expiring) + Gadzuric (1.3M nonguaranteed) + Jerome Jordan (760K) + a 2nd round pick to Orlando for Chris Duhon + 19th pick.

      Orlando is over the luxury line, so all $ saved is basically double for them. Duhon is owed ~$8M in 12-13 and 13-14 and the 19th pick is guaranteed ~$4M over the 1st 3 years of the deal (although one could renounce rights if they really wanted to after year 2). So that is $12M in salary + $12M in luxury tax. They have two big salary decisions to make –> how much to resign Ryan Anderson for, and whether or not to pick up Redick’s nonguaranteed year. Doing a trade like the above could theoretically save them almost $20MM over the next year or two (and they get a reaosnable prospect in Jerome Jordan) which they can pocket or use to sign Anderson/Redick.

      Seems unlikely they would trade a #19 pick for basically $, but you never know.

    6. Frank

      Not that anyone is reading this blog today, but Howard Beck just tweeted that JR will decline his option but wants to sign long term with NYK. I hope that doesn’t mean he thinks we will give him either the mini-MLE or full MLE. A 1-year deal with starting at 120% of this year’s salary (=2.9MM) + a player option for year 2 seems fair and would let us give him an early-bird type contract after 12-13.

    7. New Guy

      That’s what it looks like we’re doing (the preferable option). I think we can offer him over the mini-MLE by him opting out because it allows for raises. Either way, it looks like he’ll be back and won’t affect our mini MLE.

      And that’s a great deal for us. I wasn’t his biggest fan, but he’s a steal at $3 million.

      Throw in the fact that we have some good realistic (i.e. not Nash) PG options for our mini-MLE (Kidd, Felton, Heinrich, Brooks) and this offseason is turning out to be tremendous. If we could swing a deal like you described above and bring in an extra asset, even better!

      Right now we’re looking at a starting 5 (when Shump gets back) of Amar’e, Melo, Chandler, Lin, Shump; with Smith, Novak, Jefferies (hopefully) and a nice backup PG coming off the bench. Fields, Douglas, Jordan, Harrelson stick around for depth.

      That’s pretty good.

    8. EB

      Smith has only had one decent year efficiency wise over his last three. But on his career he does shoot about league average and has had several seasons well over the average. For 3 million he is a capable scorer and ballhandler off the bench and for a team that lacks depth and scoring talent at the two he can be very useful.

    9. ephus

      If the Knicks bring back JR Smith at $2.8 million plus a player option (which I think they should do), they will be giving Smith a de facto no trade agreement. Under the CBA, a player on a one year contract who will have Early Bird rights at the end of the contract must give consent to be traded. If he gives that consent, he does not get Early Bird rights with his new team. You might recall that Devean George blocked a version of the Jason Kidd/Devin Harris trade because he did not want to lose his Early Bird rights. If the Knicks tried to trade Smith, his options would be (1) block the trade, (2) accept the trade and lose his Early Bird rights, or (3) trigger his option (at a below-market price).

      I bring this up because Smith’s issues are almost entirely whether he buys into the program. The good news with JR Smith is that there is virtually nothing he cannot do on the basketball court. The bad news with JR Smith that there is virtually nothing he will not do on the basketball court. If he gets sideways with Woodson (and I know they appeared to have a strong relationship this year), the Knicks could not bring him back into line with a trade threat.

      Another consequence of bringing Smith back at $2.8 million is that it closes the door on using the full MLE in the world where the Knicks win the Early Bird appeal.

    10. Brian Cronin

      Not that anyone is reading this blog today, but Howard Beck just tweeted that JR will decline his option but wants to sign long term with NYK. I hope that doesn’t mean he thinks we will give him either the mini-MLE or full MLE. A 1-year deal with starting at 120% of this year’s salary (=2.9MM) + a player option for year 2 seems fair and would let us give him an early-bird type contract after 12-13.

      Yeah, the latter sounds good. The former, as you note, does not. So I dunno what he’s talking about vis a vis “long term.” He wouldn’t want to sign longterm at $2.8 million, right?

    11. ephus

      Brian Cronin: So I dunno what he’s talking about vis a vis “long term.” He wouldn’t want to sign longterm at $2.8 million, right?

      I think that means the player option for a second year at $3.0 million. Gives Smith some long term injury protection. The other possibility (which seems less likely) is that Smith would sign for two years plus a player option, and gain Full Bird rights in the summer of 2014. He would sacrifice $2 million next year in order to get the chance to break the bank.

    12. JC Knickfan

      Chad Ford Mock Draft, Version 9.0

      Jae Crowder | SF | Marquette

      With Mike Woodson running the show instead of Mike D’Antoni, expect the Knicks to be looking for a different sort of player in the second round. Crowder doesn’t really have a position in the NBA, but he’s tough and physical, and he can rebound.

    13. BigBlueAL

      Judging by Twitter its pretty ironic that many Knick fans are hoping Nash signs with the Knicks when many of those same fans wanted D’Antoni out.

    14. Brian Cronin

      Judging by Twitter its pretty ironic that many Knick fans are hoping Nash signs with the Knicks when many of those same fans wanted D’Antoni out.

      The weird thing to me is what, exactly, is the current state of Nash and D’Antoni’s relationship? For instance, would having D’Antoni here have helped or hindered the Knicks in getting Nash? I’ve heard people argue both sides.

    15. Brian Cronin

      It kills me when people just don’t let people make mistakes. Like JR’s Twitter photo gaffe. Yeah, it was a dumb mistake. It really does not say much about JR as a person. It was just a gaffe. Same here, it was a very bad mistake by Amar’e and he obviously should apologize for it, but the idea from guys like Isola that we should rake the guy over the coals for it? It strikes me as quite unfair. I mean, holy shit, to term Amar’e's Twitter problem as Amar’e being a “repeat offender” because he hurt his back dunking in the 2011 playoffs and cut his hand in the 2011 playoffs? That is beyond foolish. The stupid injuries Amar’e suffered in the 2011 and 2012 playoffs are obviously knocks on Amar’e overall, but they sure as fuck have nothing to do with him using a gay slur on Twitter! If Amar’e had gotten into trouble for using slurs in the past, then you can call him a repeat offender and state that maybe there is something seriously wrong with the guy. Not for this.

    16. iserp

      BigBlueAL: Judging by Twitter its pretty ironic that many Knick fans are hoping Nash signs with the Knicks when many of those same fans wanted D’Antoni out.

      Well, many of those fans think that Nash made D’Antoni, so he should be able to do the same with Woodson, :P

      Besides, Nash at the MLE is a bargain. He is scoring a bit less than his MVP seasons, and his defense is always suspect, but he has ungodly assist and shooting percentages; and right now, our most important need is a balanced offense.

      Jason Kidd has fallen off a cliff a bit lately, and other PGs are nowhere near in terms of efficiency or assists. BTW, can we use our exceptions in case Calderon gets amnestied?

    17. jon abbey

      “he hurt his back dunking in the 2011 playoffs”

      this makes it sound decidedly better than it was, he actually hurt his back in warmups for game 2 practicing a dunk he would never ever ever ever ever try in an actual game, and this was immediately after he had gone on record after game 1 saying that no one on the Celtics (specifically Kevin Garnett) could guard him. admittedly that looked correct at the time, but the whole thing reminded me of when Marbury called himself the best PG in the league right before playing the Nets and Jason Kidd, who proceeded to abuse and dissect him, and that NY team never recovered, just like this one never recovered.

    18. Brian Cronin

      I get that Amar’e's injury is a pet peeve of yours, but it is immaterial to the topic (particularly when I already pointed out that his stupid injuries were a knock on Amar’e overall), which is Isola comparing the playoff injuries to Amar’e making gay slurs so as to paint Amar’e as a “repeat offender,” when the injuries and the slurs are unconnected.

    19. jon abbey

      yeah, I just didn’t like the way you phrased that.

      I would never read Isola or anyone else in the Daily News, but I honestly could care less about a player using the term ‘faggot’ on Twitter, especially if they apologized after like Amare did. it’s a lot harder to forgive him for back to back self-inflicted playoff injuries, since that’s the time of year he’s theoretically getting paid huge bucks to show up big for.

    20. BigBlueAL

      I wonder if he feels left out that Woodson had a meeting with the real Big 3 of the team in which he wasnt included lol

    21. Frank

      BigBlueAL: I would never read Isola or anyone else in the Daily News, but I honestly could care less about a player using the term ‘faggot’ on Twitter, especially if they apologized after like Amare did.

      i seriously wonder whether a lot of these guys know what they’re saying when they’re saying — not to excuse it, but when a word is thrown around like that as much as it is in some circles, it starts to lose its original meaning, and becomes just a name you call someone. One of my college roommates — seriously the LEAST prejudiced person I may ever have met — was from a small town in Ohio and he literally had basically never met a jewish person in his life before going to college — and for the 1st week he used to talk about how he was “jew-ed” by the taxi driver. He seriously had no idea that that word actually came from “Jew”. And I still hear all kinds of people saying they were “gypped” by someone, when that is a derogatory term that comes from “Gypsy”.

      I dunno – maybe/definitely I’m being too easy on him, and all the episodes with other players (ie. Kobe) make it sort of inexcusable for any prominent NBA player, but Amare really doesn’t strike me as someone who is particularly racist/bigoted in any way.

    22. 2FOR18

      iserp: Well, many of those fans think that Nash made D’Antoni, so he should be able to do the same with Woodson, :P

      Besides, Nash at the MLE is a bargain. He is scoring a bit less than his MVP seasons, and his defense is always suspect, but he has ungodly assist and shooting percentages; and right now, our most important need is a balanced offense.

      Jason Kidd has fallen off a cliff a bit lately, and other PGs are nowhere near in terms of efficiency or assists. BTW, can we use our exceptions in case Calderon gets amnestied?

      If they amnesty Calderon then they will make a godfather offer to Lin and we’ll be screwed.

      Re: JR, he is a bargain talent wise at 2.8 mil, but I’m tired of having knuckleheads on this team. I’d like to see them try for Nash, R Allen, Heinrich or Brandon Roy, in that order, with their MLE and have whoever they get take JR’s minutes.

      Re: the draft, I like Marcus Denmon or Odom for their shooting.

    23. Frank

      2FOR18: If they amnesty Calderon then they will make a godfather offer to Lin and we’ll be screwed.

      Re: JR, he is a bargain talent wise at 2.8 mil, but I’m tired of having knuckleheads on this team.I’d like to see them try for Nash, R Allen, Heinrich or Brandon Roy, in that order, with their MLE and have whoever they get take JR’s minutes.

      Re: the draft, I like Marcus Denmon or Odom for their shooting.

      If they amnesty Calderon to make an offer to Lin, then we’ll match and then sign Calderon to use against them. I have no problem with that! (although Calderon will almost certainly get picked up by some team under the cap).

      Seriously – now that we don’t need to use our MLE to sign Lin, I don’t really care that much whether some team makes a godfather offer. We will be in the luxury tax the next 3 years whether we like it or not – the degree to which we are over the tax line doesn’t really matter to me even if we hit “repeat offender” territory. The one good thing about Dolan is that he can probably pay $100MM/year in salary+luxury tax and it’s like a rounding error for his profits.

      For better or worse, we are going to war with the team we have + some mini-MLE guys and draft picks going forward. If Toronto makes him a huge offer then it’ll amount to us being over the luxury tax through 14-15 (we would’ve been anyway) and then we’ll be stuck with his big cap# in 15-16 after Amare/Melo/TC are off the cap. So really it is only 1 year that is at risk.

      Re: the draft- not sure what happened to Denmon’s stock. He basically disappeared off all the mock draft boards. Question is whether either Denmon or Odom are anything more than TD 2.0? Undersized, pesky defender, not really PG. They both appear to be much better shooters than TD though. As 2nd round picks I think we could do much worse.

    24. Frank

      Meanwhile, I don’t think we can underestimate how important this Early Bird decision is/was for us. We almost certainly would’ve had to use the full MLE to sign Lin, which would have slammed us with that hard cap at $74M. Since our salary was already $60M without counting JR, Novak, Lin, or Fields, our flexibility would’ve been totally shot.

    25. 2FOR18

      I just noticed that about Denmon when I was over at Draft Express. No idea what happened.

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