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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Jun 11 2012)

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Dream Matchup Pits Kevin Durant and LeBron James (Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:54:05 GMT)
    Kevin Durant and LeBron James, the two most dynamic and versatile players in the league, will be on display when the Thunder play the Heat in the N.B.A finals.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Womens Basketball: Prince Lifts Chicago Over Liberty (Mon, 11 Jun 2012 06:00:08 GMT)
    The former Rutgers player Epiphanny Prince scored 26 points to help the Chicago Sky beat the Liberty, 73-64, in Newark.

  • [New York Times] Pressure on Heat and James to Produce NBA Title (Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:04:42 GMT)
    Year Two of the “Big Three” era in Miami has the Heat competing for the National Basketball Association (NBA) title for a second consecutive year.

  • 15 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Jun 11 2012)

    1. SanguineTeddy

      So…who’s everybody rooting for? I got over my LeBron dislike after he lost in excruciating fashion last year (I feel like that was proportional punishment for The Decision), so personally, it comes down to hating the Heat out of habit v the team formerly known as the Sonics.

      In the end, I’ll probably be pulling for the Heat, weird as that makes me feel – I’d like LeBron to get a ring just so he can get the haters off his back, and the whole relocation process the Thunder went through just doesn’t sit right with me. Plus, I can barely remember the old Knicks-Heat rivalry moments, unless you want to count this year’s gentlemen’s sweep…

    2. Duck d'Anjou

      Be mindful that Oklahoma City is owned by frackers—environmental hoodlums who would pollute the earth in their pursuit of money. They may be the only ownership group more unsavory than the Dolans.

    3. thenamestsam

      I’m rooting Heat but I really like the Thunder to win. A ton depends on what Bosh can give them. They absolutely need him (and Haslem to a lesser extent) to make jumpers. If Bosh can stretch the floor like he did in Game 7 against Boston they can make it very hard to play Perkins, force the Thunder to go small, and take advantage by attacking the hoop.

      Even if they win that tactical battle though I’m not sure they have the horses right now. Wade’s knee really seems to be bothering him. He doesn’t look like he has the confidence in his body right now. He settled for a lot of jumpers against Boston, and even when he went to the rim he was looking to get fouled, not to finish. If he doesn’t dominate then they’re going to need a bunch of points from the supporting cast. Chalmers is going to be very important in this series. If Westbrook can completely take away his offense I can’t see how the Heat get enough points.

    4. Nick C.

      I don’t think I can ever bring myself to root for this permutation of the Heat. For me other than maybe Battier, and that’s pushing it, there is not a single likeable player. My prediction/nightmare Miami in 5-6 with a LeBron/Wade parade to the FT line aided by being able to use the off arm as a battering ram to clear space and bunnyhopping without getting whistled.

    5. SanguineTeddy

      @3

      Agreed on Bosh, though I’m not sure going small would hurt the Thunder that much – they still have Ibaka as a very mobile big man, and as long as the Thunder don’t play Fisher, I don’t think it’s that bad a fit for them.

      I also suspect that the Heat are only going to find it harder to win a championship in the coming years if they don’t get it this year. Wade seems like he’s taken enough of a pounding that he’ll have limited effectiveness from now on, while good young teams are springing up right and left.

    6. massive

      I may be in the minority here, but I don’t think that the Heat winning a championship this year “opens up the flood gates.” Dwyane Wade just turned 30 this year, and it’s looking like he’s already regressing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wade is a shell of his former self in 2013-2014. OKC, on the other hand, has a core group of players all under 24. That’s insane. If they win it all this year, it could very well mean more of a dynasty than that of a Miami championship.

      That said, I don’t think the karma OKC’s owners have developed will allow them to win a championship. They’re frackers, and they left Seattle high and dry.

    7. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      massive:
      I may be in the minority here, but I don’t think that the Heat winning a championship this year “opens up the flood gates.” Dwyane Wade just turned 30 this year, and it’s looking like he’s already regressing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wade is a shell of his former self in 2013-2014. OKC, on the other hand, has a core group of players all under 24. That’s insane. If they win it all this year, it could very well mean more of a dynasty than that of a Miami championship.

      That said, I don’t think the karma OKC’s owners have developed will allow them to win a championship. They’re frackers, and they left Seattle high and dry.

      For what it’s worth, WP48 has him going from .259 to .253 to .247 over the last three seasons. Maybe that’s regressing, but that’s the kind of regressing I’d like to see in Carmelo Anthony.

      http://www.thenbageek.com/players/167-dwyane-wade?_=1339427792402&season=2011

    8. massive

      I stand corrected, but I’m not sure how long he can keep up this production while he’s losing athleticism and he still can’t hit an open 3 consistently. He’s already 30 years old, and Paul George’s was really giving him trouble in that Indiana series. His last three playoff TS%’s are .650, .570, and .529. That’s a dramatic regression. His last three playoff WS/48′s are .229, .216, and .176. That’s not as condemning, but there is a noticeable decline. I’m using playoff numbers because that’s where the championships are won.

    9. thenamestsam

      massive:
      I may be in the minority here, but I don’t think that the Heat winning a championship this year “opens up the flood gates.” Dwyane Wade just turned 30 this year, and it’s looking like he’s already regressing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wade is a shell of his former self in 2013-2014. OKC, on the other hand, has a core group of players all under 24. That’s insane. If they win it all this year, it could very well mean more of a dynasty than that of a Miami championship.

      That said, I don’t think the karma OKC’s owners have developed will allow them to win a championship. They’re frackers, and they left Seattle high and dry.

      OKC probably really only has a two year window with this exact group. After next year extensions for Ibaka and Harden will kick in, and unless they’re going to be a tax-payer (which is really hard to imagine for a market that size) either Harden, Ibaka or Perkins is going to have to go. Even Perkins would probably have to be amnestied which still means paying him and might be distasteful for a small market. They’re going to face some tough choices.

      I think Harden is pretty critical to what they do there, but if they max him out they might have one of the weirdest roster constructions in the league in a few years. 3 max perimeter scorers and then mostly filler upfront. They’d still be lethal on offense, but their defense if they lose Ibaka will be very poor in some matchups (witness what the Spurs did to them when Perk was on the floor).

    10. Frank

      Nick C.: For me other than maybe Battier, and that’s pushing it, there is not a single likeable player.

      Agreed, although I have to say, I don’t mind Chris Bosh at all. He seems much more real than his two partners in crime. That Haberstroh article really put him in a good light.

      Speaking of Bosh – his play in the 4th quarter of game 7 makes it so clear why Stoudemire needs to work not only on his midrange but also long-2 and 3 point range shot. Before THCJ goes off the rails on that statement – I’m not asking him to turn into a jumpshooter – certainly, his major source of shots should be on the PNR, cuts, and other such high-percentage shots. But especially when Chandler is on the floor, we desperately need to clear the lane in the interest of spacing, and to punish defenders for clustering near the rim. Those Bosh 3′s basically ended the game (in addition to that 35 foot 3 pointer that LBJ hit – ridiculous!).

    11. SanguineTeddy

      Speaking of OKC’s finances, some of you might have already seen this, but if not:
      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/07/us-chesapeake-mcclendon-profile-idUSBRE8560IB20120607

      “Closer to home, McClendon pursues another of his passions: the Oklahoma City Thunder, the NBA franchise in which he owns a 19 percent stake. As with other assets, McClendon has melded his Thunder interest with Chesapeake business. The energy company signed a $36 million sponsorship deal, and it pays up to $4 million annually to brand the stadium Chesapeake Energy Arena.

      What hasn’t been previously disclosed is that McClendon mortgaged his future proceeds from the team to secure two bank loans.

      The AKM unit, the jet flights and the Thunder relationship are part of the lavish but leveraged lifestyle that McClendon has built through Chesapeake, America’s second-largest natural gas producer.”

    12. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Frank: Agreed, although I have to say, I don’t mind Chris Bosh at all. He seems much more real than his two partners in crime. That Haberstroh article really put him in a good light.

      Speaking of Bosh – his play in the 4th quarter of game 7 makes it so clear why Stoudemire needs to work not only on his midrange but also long-2 and 3 point range shot.Before THCJ goes off the rails on that statement – I’m not asking him to turn into a jumpshooter – certainly, his major source of shots should be on the PNR, cuts, and other such high-percentage shots.But especially when Chandler is on the floor, we desperately need to clear the lane in the interest of spacing, and to punish defenders for clustering near the rim.Those Bosh 3?s basically ended the game (in addition to that 35 foot 3 pointer that LBJ hit – ridiculous!).

      I agree that he has to become a long-range threat for him to be worth his contract. And as we know, NBA players don’t change much for the better after their 24th birthday. Taller players don’t fall off as dramatically, but to ask a 29 year old PF to learn a mid-range game at this point in his career is near impossible. As I said on day 1, this contract is a huge question mark and will rely on risk, not security, to become a net positive.

    13. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      thenamestsam: OKC probably really only has a two year window with this exact group. After next year extensions for Ibaka and Harden will kick in, and unless they’re going to be a tax-payer (which is really hard to imagine for a market that size) either Harden, Ibaka or Perkins is going to have to go. Even Perkins would probably have to be amnestied which still means paying him and might be distasteful for a small market. They’re going to face some tough choices.

      I think Harden is pretty critical to what they do there, but if they max him out they might have one of the weirdest roster constructions in the league in a few years. 3 max perimeter scorers and then mostly filler upfront. They’d still be lethal on offense, but their defense if they lose Ibaka will be very poor in some matchups (witness what the Spurs did to them when Perk was on the floor).

      Perkins is a terrible contact. He may be an excellent defender but he is not worth losing Harden or Ibaka over. I actually think their best bet would be to trade Westbrook, but I’m sure I’m in the minority, there.

    14. d-mar

      If the NBA gods smile upon us and we get a ruling in our favor Wed. (and yes I know it’s unlikely) what do you guys think about grabbing Ray Allen with the MLE? He’s supposedly going to have his ankle spurs operated on in the off season, and also supposedly likes the idea of coming to NY.

      I would be all for it, he would be a big upgrade over Novak, esp. because he’d be way better coming off screens and he’s an above average defender. And how sweet would it be having him bury a 3 to beat Boston? (maybe STAT needs to be taught the Garnett hip check?)

    15. nicos

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: I agree that he has to become a long-range threat for him to be worth his contract. And as we know, NBA players don’t change much for the better after their 24th birthday. Taller players don’t fall off as dramatically, but to ask a 29 year old PF to learn a mid-range game at this point in his career is near impossible. As I said on day 1, this contract is a huge question mark and will rely on risk, not security, to become a net positive.

      For his career, his mid-range game has been pretty good- prior to this season he’s shot better from 16-23 than Bosh, Aldridge, or Boozer- he doesn’t need to learn anything, just revert back to his normal numbers. A three point game would be great (and very unlikely) but I think he can still put up very solid offensive numbers- perhaps not good enough to earn out his contract but good enough that he’s not a bust like he was this season.

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