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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Jul 09 2012)

  • [New York Times] LeBron James Embraces Olympic Leadership Role (Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:00:08 GMT)
    Already an elder statesman at 27, and with an N.B.A. championship, LeBron James is embracing his role as a leader on the United States men’s basketball team.

  • [New York Times] The Quad: Top Recruit Nkemdiche Says He’s Committed to Clemson (Mon, 09 Jul 2012 02:23:46 GMT)
    Defensive end Robert Nkemdiche, the top recruit for the Class of 2013, said he would honor his commitment even if the Tigers did not offer a scholarship to his good friend and high school teammate, Ryan Carter.

  • [New York Times] Injured Star Guard Paul to Miss Scrimmages for U.S. Olympic Team (Mon, 09 Jul 2012 01:27:41 GMT)
    U.S. Olympic basketball team guard Chris Paul is likely to sit out the next few scrimmages after suffering a sprained right thumb, ESPN reported.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Anthony Applauds Knicks’ Pursuit of Camby (Mon, 09 Jul 2012 02:01:55 GMT)
    Marcus Camby and Carmelo Anthony played together in Denver, and Anthony hopes they can be reunited in New York.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: For Anthony and D’Antoni, a Reunion With the U.S. Team (Mon, 09 Jul 2012 02:08:28 GMT)
    A pre-Olympics practice brought Carmelo Anthony together with Mike D’Antoni, whose resignation as the Knicks’ coach was followed by a spurt of victories.

  • [New York Daily News] Paul won’t rule out Knicks (Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:01:30 GMT)
    It has been nearly two years since Chris Paul made the toast heard ’round the NBA at Carmelo Anthony’s wedding. “We’ll form our own Big 3,â? Paul said of possibly joining forces with Amar’e Stoudemire and Anthony – who would be traded to the Knicks seven months later – in New York.

  • 103 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Jul 09 2012)

    1. Z-man

      d-mar from last thread: “It’s mind boggling that a few months ago Billy King was seen as a blundering GM who took a massive risk giving up the farm for an unsigned D-Will, and now he may open the new arena with Howard, Johnson and Williams as a big 3. Don’t know if it’s luck or genius, but the guy pulled it off somehow.

      BTW, I have no problem with the Nets being good, but the media will completely overreact, and proclaim that the Nets are now New York’s #1 team, and that the Knicks are just an afterthought.”

      Yeah, tremedous job that required guts, patience and perseverance. Probably really good for the NBA as well.

      If the deal goes through, on paper, the Nets would have the better starting lineup than the Knicks, and can probably build a decent bench somehow like the Heat did. However, if Lin is the real deal, Amare comes back strong, Anthony amps up his body and b-ball IQ, and Shump fully recovers, we can compete with anybody. It should be a fun matchup for years!

      The next few seasons should be very entertaining in the NBA with some great rivalries building. Even if Miami is preordained, the regular season and early playoff rounds should be hugely exciting.

    2. Z-man

      Someone on the radio (Alan Hahn?) suggested that Stern should open the season with a Knicks-Nets, Clippers-Lakers doubleheader. I’d throw in Heat-Celtics (or Heat-OKC) for good measure. I’d be glued to the TV for that!

    3. Sebas94

      Paul won’t rule out Knicks? Does anybody think this is an actual possibility? I’m thinking not really due to cap space problems, but I’m not an authority.

    4. Frank

      Not that I give much credence to these things at this point in the season, but Darren Rovell just tweeted that the vegas oddsmakers have already installed the Nets as a 10/1 to win the championship (tied for 5th with the SPURS!, and behind MIA, OKC, LAL, CHI). That sounds like a sucker bet especially since Howard hasn’t even been traded yet!

      And the knicks? 40/1. Ouch. Behind Clips, Celts, Mavs, Grizzlies, Pacers, and Nuggets.

    5. Z-man

      So, putting my Knicks goggles aside, if the trade goes down:
      Prohibitive favorite: Heat
      True Contenders as is: OKC, Lakers
      In the mix but need to gel or have many “ifs”: Knicks, Celts, Nets, Clips, Bulls
      Competitive but just don’t have enough: Pacers, Nuggets, Spurs, Grizzlies, Sixers
      8th seeds at best: Minny, Golden State, Jazz, Hawks
      Good position to rebuild quickly: Rockets, Magic, Hornets

    6. Caleb

      If the Howard trade goes through, Nets would be one of the top 3 teams in the league and a serious title contender. I’m still skeptical, though… other teams could outbid the Nets mediocre offer, and might be willing to gamble.

      I’m also surprised at the general pessimism on the Knicks here – they’re going to be really good, assuming Lin is back and we find a 2-guard.

      Speaking of which, Camby is fine but I’m a little nervous that we’re leaving our backcourt exposed. I’d guess that Grunwald thinks Smith is a lock to come back. Otherwise the Camby move doesn’t make much sense, not with Lee, Mayo and Williams out there. If Smith walks and we’ve already used our trade chips, we might have to match on Landry Fields.

    7. Caleb

      Z-man:
      So, putting my Knicks goggles aside, if the trade goes down:
      Prohibitive favorite: Heat
      True Contenders as is: OKC, Lakers
      In the mix but need to gel or have many “ifs”: Knicks, Celts, Nets, Clips, Bulls
      Competitive but just don’t have enough: Pacers, Nuggets, Spurs, Grizzlies, Sixers
      8th seeds at best: Minny, Golden State, Jazz, Hawks
      Good position to rebuild quickly: Rockets, Magic, Hornets

      I’d put the Clippers ahead of the Lakers.. probably the Spurs.. and if Rose is healthy, I’d put the Bulls up there, too. if everything goes right the Lakers might have a shot, but when your guys are that old, everything doesn’t usually go right.

    8. thenamestsam

      Z-man:
      So, putting my Knicks goggles aside, if the trade goes down:
      Prohibitive favorite: Heat
      True Contenders as is: OKC, Lakers
      In the mix but need to gel or have many “ifs”: Knicks, Celts, Nets, Clips, Bulls
      Competitive but just don’t have enough: Pacers, Nuggets, Spurs, Grizzlies, Sixers
      8th seeds at best: Minny, Golden State, Jazz, Hawks
      Good position to rebuild quickly: Rockets, Magic, Hornets

      I’d separate the top ranks more like:
      Tier 1: Miami, OKC
      Tier 2: Lakers, Nets, Bulls
      Tier 3: Knicks, Celts, Clips, Spurs

      I think people are a little too high on Miami calling them prohibitive favorites. They were very close to losing series to both Indiana and Boston, and then they beat OKC in a couple very close games. That series could easily have swung the other way. Ray Allen will help them, but they’re more likely to have injury issues than OKC, and OKC has much more room for improvement with the players already in house since they’re all like 14 years old. I think they deserve to be effectively co-favorites.

      Then I’d put the Nets and Bulls a little higher than you do. People are sleeping on the Bulls a little, but I think they’re at least a 55 win team again next year. We already know they’re a great regular season team even without Rose, and they should have him back close to full speed by the playoffs. The Nets will be incredibly shallow but they will have a great recipe for troubling Miami, post-scoring and dominant PG play.

      Spurs a bit higher too. They’re a year older and a few injuries could definitely derail them, but barring that you just know Pop will have them humming along come playoff time.

    9. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Hi, this is my first post here and admittedly I’m a heat fan and have been so since the Mourning era. However, I was born in NY and moved to FL at a young age; That being said the Knicks are my 2nd favorite team and I root for them if the Heat aren’t in contention. I discovered this site by chance when I read an article that piqued my interest (something about coitus and the Knicks which blew my mind since I have never seen something like that in a sports article). After that I’d come by here and read some of the articles and comments, soon I discovered how many of the posters here are logical and mature here. I’ve used the espn boards for the past two years and I’m extremely tired of the childish and illogical nature of the board users. I hope that me being a Heat fan won’t be a problem with me contributing to the comments sections.

      Ok, now on the topic at hand. I think if the Nets happen to land Dwight Howard, then Billy King should be named executive of the year for the next 5 years. The Nets have awful assets to give to Orlando that its almost better if Orlando just kept Howard and just tanked the rest of the season. My guess is the Orlando is just using the Nets as a ploy for other teams to sweeten offer from other teams like Houston and the Lakers. I still have no idea why Houston isn’t doing whatever it takes to acquire Dwight because it should be alot easier to convince him to stay now that he can’t sign with the Nets outright next year.

    10. thenamestsam

      Also despite that ranking I still think this trade has like a 5% chance of happening. I still can’t believe that the Magic are going to accept a few shitty low first rounders and a maxed out Brook Lopez for Dwight Howard. That’s just such a mediocre offer that I don’t understand why another team wouldn’t beat it, even if they’re worried it might just be a rental.

      The Nets won’t have cap space next summer, and neither will any of the other really obvious premiere destinations. What would his most appealing option be? The Mavs maybe? If you’re Houston wouldn’t you take the gamble that with one year to impress him and the ability to offer him $25M extra you could convince him not to make the (at best) marginal upgrade from Houston to Dallas?

      Besides all that we’re talking about so many moving pieces at this point, that the odds are against it just for that. There are 3 teams and about 15 players involved in this by the reports, and a 4th team may be getting involved. I still don’t see how it can happen unless Orlando is just committed to making Dwight happy, and I can’t for the life of me see why they would be.

    11. thenamestsam

      The leg accessory that is JVG:

      Ok, now on the topic at hand.I think if the Nets happen to land Dwight Howard, then Billy King should be named executive of the year for the next 5 years.The Nets have awful assets to give to Orlando that its almost better if Orlando just kept Howard and just tanked the rest of the season.My guess is the Orlando is just using the Nets as a ploy for other teams to sweeten offer from other teams like Houston and the Lakers.I still have no idea why Houston isn’t doing whatever it takes to acquire Dwight because it should be alot easier to convince him to stay now that he can’t sign with the Nets outright next year.

      Welcome aboard. I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but this board (see my pun now?) often gets used as a basketball discussion forum that happens to be Knicks-centric, not as purely a Knicks site. Besides variety is the spice of life.

      As for being a ploy by Orlando, the weird thing is that the leaks seem to be coming from the Nets side of things based on the people reporting it. My personal theory is that the Nets purposes are two-fold. First is to give it a sense of inevitability in the hopes that this will force Orlando’s hand somewhat. The second, and more critical factor, is that the buzz is great for them right now. They’re the talk of the basketball world, season ticket sales are surely spiking, we’re talking Nets on a Knicks discussion board, Saturday night when I was having a beer in Brooklyn with a couple fellow Knicks lovers we were talking Nets. Especially if they think they’re not getting him it makes sense to use this moment to generate excitement.

    12. jon abbey

      I still don’t get the rush to rank teams while so much is still unclear. NY doesn’t at this moment have Lin, Smith, Novak, Camby, Jeffries, or even Kidd under contract. things should be a lot clearer a week from now, for NY but also league-wide.

    13. Gideon Zaga

      Howard isn’t going to Brooklyn. I think this is just another pr strategy and selling tickets as well as scaring off other teams. The lakers will do like they have always sone, fast and quietly. My bet is the Lakers take the gamble. Nash will make Howard better and he’ll end up committing long term.

    14. yehudi3000

      In my opinion, there isn’t a small chanse that we gonna have this trade soon.
      I mean, even if orlando will take this trade eventully, it will be in the transfer deadline.
      Get real, Howard dont have a case, and if he woudnt be traded he’ll have to sign somwhere else, so my bet that in 3 month howard will agree to add more teams to his wish list.

    15. Caleb

      Lakers, Houston, Atlanta all look like serious options. I think Atlanta could sign him next summer outright, and I don’t see why he wouldn’t consider it seriously, next to Josh Smith and Anthony Morrow. And Horford, if they don’t do it via trade this year.

    16. yehudi3000

      And about this Paul trade, i think there is a chanse that the clippers will agree to a package of lin, novak ,jr, camby or somthing like that..

    17. Caleb

      yehudi3000:
      And about this Paul trade, i think there is a chanse that the clippers will agree to a package of lin, novak ,jr, camby or somthing like that..

      No way.

      Hollinger suggested this first, but seems realistic that Howard and Paul could BOTH sign in Atlanta next summer. Paul was dying to come here out of college, and Howard is a hometown guy whose best friend and AAU teammate is Josh Smith. Hawks will only have $12 million on the books – Al Horford. If they took the gamble of waiting, not trading, they could conceivably sign Howard & Paul, then re-sign Smith with his Bird rights, then still have the full mid-level to spend.

    18. JC Knickfan

      Caleb:
      If the Howard trade goes through, Nets would be one of the top 3 teams in the league and a serious title contender. I’m still skeptical, though… other teams could outbid the Nets mediocre offer, and might be willing to gamble.

      I’m also surprised at the general pessimism on the Knicks here – they’re going to be really good, assuming Lin is back and we find a 2-guard.

      Speaking of which, Camby is fine but I’m a little nervous that we’re leaving our backcourt exposed. I’d guess that Grunwald thinks Smith is a lock to come back. Otherwise the Camby move doesn’t make much sense, not with Lee, Mayo and Williams out there. If Smith walks and we’ve already used our trade chips, we might have to match on Landry Fields.

      Knicks are cap hell out the next 3 season. If Dolan willing pay Luxury tax, Knicks actually could match Fields offer. If he find his shot, he would be rotation actually might start. Otherwise he very expensive bench warmer. With 15 roster and it’s being Cablevision money I hope they take 20 million dollar risk. Unless you own Cablevision stock, I not sure why any blogger is fretting about the money.

      Plus still lets Knicks reboot in 3 years.

    19. Caleb

      If Smith walks and we’ve used our S&T option on Camby, then re-signing Fields is kind of a no-brainer – he’ll be massively overpaid, but even if his shooting touch is gone forever, he’s better than the guys we can get for the vet minimum. Which is what we’d be limited to – not just this year, but the next three years, most likely.

      For now, we don’t realy have a SG or a SF. Melo could play the 3 full-time, but I’m sure Woodson would prefer to have him split between the two forward spots.

      On the other hand, if JR comes back, he can hold down the fort until Shumpert is back on the court. Long-term – playoffs and beyond – Smith and Shump is a nice combo at the 2, and they can both guard multiple positions.

    20. Frank

      Caleb: No way.

      Hollinger suggested this first, but seems realistic that Howard and Paul could BOTH sign in Atlanta next summer. Paul was dying to come here out of college, and Howard is a hometown guy whose best friend and AAU teammate is Josh Smith. Hawks will only have $12 million on the books – Al Horford. If they took the gamble of waiting, not trading, they could conceivably sign Howard & Paul, then re-sign Smith with his Bird rights, then still have the full mid-level to spend.

      Danny Ferry has done an amazing job there in just what, 5 days or something?

      To me, this whole DH12 thing is so not happening. Brook Lopez sucks – in his best pro year his team won 12 games. He’s a 3rd tier center in this league if you consider the fact that defense is half the game. The idea that you could get Dwight Howard in a deal in which Brook Lopez is the centerpiece is so ridiculous that it should be illegal because of “basketball reasons”.

      And I agree with the posters above who think that if today’s press blitz isn’t by Orlando to get leverage on other suitors, it’s by the Nets to create buzz about their team.

    21. JC Knickfan

      Gideon Zaga:
      Howard isn’t going to Brooklyn. I think this is just another pr strategy and selling tickets as well as scaring off other teams. The lakers will do like they have always sone, fast and quietly. My bet is the Lakers take the gamble. Nash will make Howard better and he’ll end up committing long term.

      Bynum will not sign a long-term deal with Orlando. Bynum has 1 year left also. Also Laker don’t have draft picks to provide as they just ship 3 first round picks to the Suns. Unless Bynum chances his stance I don’t see LAL being pulls this off.

    22. Caleb

      Frank: Danny Ferry has done an amazing job there in just what, 5 days or something?

      To me, this whole DH12 thing is so not happening.Brook Lopez sucks – in his best pro year his team won 12 games.He’s a 3rd tier center in this league if you consider the fact that defense is half the game. The idea that you could get Dwight Howard in a deal in which Brook Lopez is the centerpiece is so ridiculous that it should be illegal because of “basketball reasons”.

      And I agree with the posters above who think that if today’s press blitz isn’t by Orlando to get leverage on other suitors, it’s by the Nets to create buzz about their team.

      I agree on Lopez – if he reminds me of anyone, basketball-wise, it’s Eddy Curry.

      But I think he has a little value; Orlando could flip him somewhere for a mediocre pick or two. But you’re right, the Nets offer is lame because it doesn’t include a single player who’s even an average NBA starter… AND it doesn’t clear a single dollar of Orlando’s dead money. So they’d be stuck 2-3 years without cap flexibility OR a high pick OR a single top-flight player. If they were considering muddling through with that situation, they wouldn’t have let Ryan Anderson walk.

    23. The leg accessory that is JVG

      JC Knickfan: Bynum will not sign a long-term deal with Orlando. Bynum has 1 year left also.Also Laker don’t have draft picks to provide as they just ship 3 first round picks to the Suns. Unless Bynum chances his stance I don’t see LAL being pulls this off.

      I’m pretty sure Bynum said that as long as a city has an ATM he’ll be fine. The Lakers don’t have the draft picks but, they still offer the best straight up deal. I still think the Rockets package is the best suited for them because they get good young talent, picks, and Houston can absorb Orlando’s bad contracts.

    24. JC Knickfan

      Caleb: No way.

      Hollinger suggested this first, but seems realistic that Howard and Paul could BOTH sign in Atlanta next summer. Paul was dying to come here out of college, and Howard is a hometown guy whose best friend and AAU teammate is Josh Smith. Hawks will only have $12 million on the books – Al Horford. If they took the gamble of waiting, not trading, they could conceivably sign Howard & Paul, then re-sign Smith with his Bird rights, then still have the full mid-level to spend.

      I believe ATL would have to annouces the rights to Josh Smith otherwise he would have CAP hold. With that they would only have enough space for 1 MAX contact not 2. For this to work I think they need trade Hortford to Magic. Paul and Howard would get the MAX money and Smith would get TC type money.

    25. Caleb

      It’s hard to guess the landing spot, but I think there will be a lot of suitors. Teams will be bold – willing to take a risk of signing without a long-term commitment. For one thing, the Nets have very little leverage – Howard can’t sign there outright next year. So it’s not the same as Melo threatening to bolt for New York (which Dolan didn’t understand, but that’s another story). On a more subtle level, the last guy to take a huge gamble was Billy King, and it worked out, whether or not Howard comes.

      Houston is an obvious candidate… Atlanta, which seems like a real threat to just sign him in 2013… but I expect the Bulls to jump in hard, too. And we could see unexpected stuff – would Miami offer up Chris Bosh? Or the Clips offer up Blake Griffin?

    26. jon abbey

      Hollinger made a great case for a Howard/Paul/Smith trio in ATL, but obviously the players need to agree, and that doesn’t seem to be happening at least as of yet.

      it feels like a lot has been agreed on between players behind closed doors these last few years, Howard’s insistence on Brooklyn doesn’t really make much sense otherwise (especially since he used to talk about how he hates the weather here).

    27. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Miami won’t offer Bosh. If they lost this year that might have been a possibility but, Bosh fits their current playstyle alot better than Howard does. Howard would certainly improve the defense but the offense might be a mess with Lebron and Wade slashing and Howard setting up in the low post.

    28. Caleb

      JC Knickfan: I believe ATL would have to annouces the rights to Josh Smith otherwise he would have CAP hold. With that they would only have enough space for 1 MAX contact not 2. For this to work I think they need trade Hortford to Magic. Paul and Howard would get the MAX money and Smith would get TC type money.

      You’re right, unless the cap really soars. Josh’s cap hold will be @$19 million, and when you factor in the minimum salaries, Hawks will have about $35 million committed. Of course they could re-sign Josh quick; if he took his old salary they’d be around $29 million.

      In reality, if Howard and Paul both wanted to come here, they’d choose between Horford and Smith – and since Smith would be part of the attraction, and Horford has higher trade value, he’d be the one to leave. It would make basketball sense, too – they’d need a wing.

    29. Frank

      The leg accessory that is JVG: I’m pretty sure Bynum said that as long as a city has an ATM he’ll be fine.The Lakers don’t have the draft picks but, they still offer the best straight up deal.I still think the Rockets package is the best suited for them because they get good young talent, picks, and Houston can absorb Orlando’s bad contracts.

      I don’t think we should discount Houston at all, just like you said. They have only 2 non-rookie contracts on their roster – Martin and Scola, and Martin is in the last year of his deal. They could take all of Orlando’s terrible contracts if they traded Martin back and amnestied Scola, and probably STILL be way under the cap. Throw in some young assets like the 3 kids they picked this year, or parsons, or marcus morris etc.

    30. Caleb

      The leg accessory that is JVG:
      Miami won’t offer Bosh.If they lost this year that might have been a possibility but, Bosh fits their current playstyle alot better than Howard does.Howard would certainly improve the defense but the offense might be a mess with Lebron and Wade slashing and Howard setting up in the low post.

      I understand the argument but talent wins… if Orlando would do the deal, and Howard agreed to an extension, the Heat would do it in a second.

    31. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Caleb: I understand the argument but talent wins… if Orlando would do the deal, and Howard agreed to an extension, the Heat would do it in a second.

      Just can’t see Riley doing it when he had the a good opportunity to offer Bosh or Lebron up last year. Riley doesn’t break up championship teams even if it might be for the better such as 06-07 team. Howard is a better overall talent but, who knows how long it will take for Miami to change its offense around him. It took 2 years for the Miami offense to look half way decent and it still could use improvement.

    32. Frank

      Caleb: On a more subtle level, the last guy to take a huge gamble was Billy King, and it worked out, whether or not Howard comes.

      I know King’s gamble sort of worked since Deron stayed, but assuming this DH12 thing doesn’t happen (I personally give it <5% chance of happening – too many moving parts, too many non-Net people to agree to things that aren't in their best interest), how many wins does a DWill/JJ/GW/Teletovic/Brook Lopez/Marshon Brooks team get? 45 max? And then they're capped out for eternity? That team has zero interior defense and rebounding. Teletovic + Brook Lopez together don't even average what Chandler averages by himself per 40.

    33. ephus

      I have not seen any reporting on what sort of offer Brook Lopez is getting in this S&T. Clearly, the salary will have to be maximum in order to make the numbers work. And the deal has to be for at least three years. But has anyone seen any reporting on whether all three years will be guaranteed. Orlando has more reason to do this deal if Lopez only has one year guaranteed. Basically, the Magic would get a look at Lopez this year (when they would otherwise be capped out because of Howard) and then have the choice to (1) keep Lopez, (2) use Lopez in a trade to a team looking to free cap space or (3) free their own cap space.

    34. Caleb

      @32 I don’t disagree – I hate that team. But at least he didn’t give up all those picks for nothing.

      @31 Not sure what you mean about the opportunity to offer Bosh or LeBron last year. There really isn’t a comparable situation – Bosh for Howard is a steal. After that you can shuffle the parts, i.e. Dwyane Wade is getting traded. Hey it’s a tough business, but LeBron & Howard together pretty much guarantees championships for the next few years.

    35. Caleb

      ephus:
      I have not seen any reporting on what sort of offer Brook Lopez is getting in this S&T.Clearly, the salary will have to be maximum in order to make the numbers work.And the deal has to be for at least three years.But has anyone seen any reporting on whether all three years will be guaranteed.Orlando has more reason to do this deal if Lopez only has one year guaranteed.Basically, the Magic would get a look at Lopez this year (when they would otherwise be capped out because of Howard) and then have the choice to (1) keep Lopez, (2) use Lopez in a trade to a team looking to free cap space or (3) free their own cap space.

      But what’s in it for Orlando? They could be capped out for 3 years with Lopez, or trade with someone else and be free to sign much better players. Of course someone has to make the offer, and Howard is trying to bluff off other teams, but unless the Nets can sucker Orlando in the next few months, they’re not a threat to sign Howard. I’m guessing he’d rather sign somewhere else than go to Brooklyn on the MLE.

      Now if John Weisbrod were still on the job…

    36. Frank

      ephus:
      I have not seen any reporting on what sort of offer Brook Lopez is getting in this S&T.Clearly, the salary will have to be maximum in order to make the numbers work.And the deal has to be for at least three years.But has anyone seen any reporting on whether all three years will be guaranteed.Orlando has more reason to do this deal if Lopez only has one year guaranteed.Basically, the Magic would get a look at Lopez this year (when they would otherwise be capped out because of Howard) and then have the choice to (1) keep Lopez, (2) use Lopez in a trade to a team looking to free cap space or (3) free their own cap space.

      yes, but why would Lopez ever agree to a 1 year guaranteed deal? He’s looking for a max contract. Not even Steve Novak would accept a 1 year deal.

      This is what I mean about this deal being so unlikely to happen. Orlando has to want Lopez – can’t figure out why they would want that. Lopez would need to sign a deal that both he and Orlando can stomach, and Lopez also has to agree to go to Orlando. Humphries has to agree to the same as well. Cleveland has to give up a bunch of draft picks for what, Marshon Brooks? The whole thing just doesn’t make any sense to me at all. Of course, lots of things that happen in the NBA make no sense to me, so anything can happen I guess.

    37. massive

      If the best player in the deal with the Nets isn’t even going to your team (Humphries is going to Cleveland), why consider it? I still think the Lakers get Howard in the end.

    38. Jafa

      Since we are ranking contenders, here’s my ranking:

      Favorite:
      Heat

      Top Contenders:
      Thunder, Celtics, Spurs

      Contenders with an outside chance:
      Lakers, Knicks, Nets (if they get D12), Bulls (if Rose is back to himself after injury), Pacers, Grizzlies, Clippers

    39. The leg accessory that is JVG

      @31 Not sure what you mean about the opportunity to offer Bosh or LeBron last year. There really isn’t a comparable situation – Bosh for Howard is a steal. After that you can shuffle the parts, i.e. Dwyane Wade is getting traded. Hey it’s a tough business, but LeBron & Howard together pretty much guarantees championships for the next few years.

      True, Lebron and Howard would make a championship pairing if Wade was moved but, its still gamble because there is no guarantee they would make it work in their first year together. It also sends a bad message to possible FAs because the team was will to get rid of Wade who carried the franchise for years. So if he gets traded then if they happen to go there and don’t do well, they will also be put up on the trade block. Also, Lebron only has 2 years left before he can opt out and if they don’t win with Howard next year then the pressure to trade him before he could possibly a FA will be very high. Theres alot of variables to the situation so right now since they already won, its better just to keep status quo.

    40. ephus

      The question with Lopez is whether he will receive any offer sheets above the MLE-level. I would think he would be able to command at least 3 years/$27 million guarnteed, but if he is down in MLE land because teams are uncertain about his health, he might consider a one-year guarantee at the max (which would get him about $12.5 million next year). It would be a BIG risk for Lopez to get only one year guaranteed, but he might believe that he can play his way to a better contract by accumulating stats on a bad Magic team in the coming year.

      Another way to make Lopez more attractive to the Magic would be for him to allow his salary to decline in years 2 and 3 of the contract. The Nets and the Magic need for Lopez to make the maximum during year 1 for salary matching purposes ($12.9 million), but it could decrease by 7.5% in each following year ($11.9 million (year 2) and $10.9 million (year 3)). That is much less attractive to the Magic than a non-guaranteed contract.

    41. JK47

      I’d rather let Howard walk for nothing than take on Brook Lopez at $10M+. Brook Lopez SUCKS.

    42. thenamestsam

      massive:
      If the best player in the deal with the Nets isn’t even going to your team (Humphries is going to Cleveland), why consider it? I still think the Lakers get Howard in the end.

      I think the quality of the Lakers offer has been dramatically exaggerated. Yes, they can offer Bynum, and that’s probably (unless a team comes out of nowhere) the single best player they can get their hands on. But Bynum is a free agent after next year too. And then you’re looking at potentially losing him and trading the league’s third (?) best player for one year of a lesser version (a year in which you’re not a contender anyway). Or alternately you keep him on a max deal, but honestly I’m not sure that option is all that great either. Bynum is a nice player, but he’s never had to carry the load offensively and he’s a definite head case. If you’re paying him the max I think that’s a recipe for mediocrity.

      I think going the Houston route with dumping all your bad contracts for cap space and getting a bunch of young guys and picks and going into full rebuild mode is the best choice.

    43. Frank

      The Hibbert situation may go a long way towards determining what happens with Lopez. Both Indy and Portland have $ to spend, and whichever Hibbert does not go to could theoretically blow this whole thing up by signing Brook to an offer sheet. Although my guess is – Kaman ends up in either Portland or Indy for less than Brook will want.

      Brook is going to blow this whole thing up – if Hennigan is half the GM Presti is, he won’t give Brook anything close the max – maybe 3 years $27M like you said is pseudo-reasonable. To make things more complicated, Brook’s salary for trade purposes will be subject to base year compensation adjustment (his $ in terms of the trade will only be 50% of his new salary).

      This trade just ain’t happening. NJ doesn’t have the assets.

    44. 2FOR18

      The reason Dwight’s going to the Nets is because he has flat out told everyone that he will not re-sign with any team but the Nets, so teams like Houston are hesitant to go all in on Dwight for a 1 year rental.

      Also, we all know what an unhappy Dwight plays like – remember that Knicks game he mailed in last season? So if you’re the Lakers, do you risk trading Bynum for 1 year of an unhappy Dwight?

      And the conspiracist in me thinks that Stern wants this to happen so NY can have 2 contenders.

      I hope this goes down just for the sheer excitemet it will bring NY bball, and to see if the Nets can play a full season with only 6 players on their team.

    45. The leg accessory that is JVG

      2FOR18:
      The reason Dwight’s going to the Nets is because he has flat out told everyone that he will not re-sign with any team but the Nets, so teams like Houston are hesitant to go all in on Dwight for a 1 year rental.

      Also, we all know what an unhappy Dwight plays like – remember that Knicks game he mailed in last season?So if you’re the Lakers, do you risk trading Bynum for 1 year of an unhappy Dwight?

      And the conspiracist in me thinks that Stern wants this to happen so NY can have 2 contenders.

      I hope this goes down just for the sheer excitemet it will bring NY bball, and to see if the Nets can play a full season with only 6 players on their team.

      Stern can’t do anything to trade unlike the NO one. Also Howard HAS to sign with another team next year if he doesn’t get traded to the Nets unless he takes the mini mle next year (no way in Hell that will happen). So any team that trades for him will have a decent shot at keeping him.

    46. Frank

      thenamestsam: Bynum is a nice player, but he’s never had to carry the load offensively and he’s a definite head case. If you’re paying him the max I think that’s a recipe for mediocrity.

      I think the re-signing angle and the injury risk are legitimate concerns with Bynum – but based on ability, I wouldn’t think twice about giving Bynum the max. Dude is only 24, averaged 19/12/2 per 36, and has gotten better every single year. I think a reasonable offer would be Howard for Bynum + re-signed Sessions. That’s way better than the NJ/Brooklyn offer.

      btw it will take me forever to think of the Nets as the brooklyn nets. Still keep typing NJ.

    47. Frank

      The leg accessory that is JVG: Also Howard HAS to sign with another team next year if he doesn’t get traded to the Nets unless he takes the mini mle next year (no way in Hell that will happen).

      +10000. this whole thing is a bluff. in fact, there are so many parties bluffing here, it’s hard to know if anything you hear in the media is actually true. for all we know there haven’t been any trade talks between BK/ORL/CLE.

    48. JK47

      Simple: Trade Howard for Bynum, then start this dance again next year. Maybe Bynum will agree to go to a place that actually has some assets, and not force you to take Brook Lopez and a bunch of non-lottery picks as a return for him.

    49. ephus

      JK47: I’d rather let Howard walk for nothing than take on Brook Lopez at $10M+. Brook Lopez SUCKS.

      The real question is whether the Magic would rather let Howard stick around this year and then walk (although there would be a sign-and-trade possibility) or receive Lopez/Nets 2013 first round/Nets 2015 first round/Sacramento 2013 first round (through Cleveland (top 13 protected)/Houston 2013 first round (through Nets) (top 14 protected) and be able to discard Jason Richardson along with Howard. If the answer is that the Magic would rather have the Nets deal, then a trade is possible — but another team might come in with a higher offer.

      It would be very difficult at this point for the Magic to bring Howard back this season, but not impossible. Howard’s back injury might keep him on the sidelines longer in Orlando then if he were moved elsewhere. Howard might also emulate Vince Carter’s last half-season in Toronto.

      We also do not know what value the Magic place on getting rid of Richardson and getting the 4 (mid to late) first round picks. The Lakers cannot provide those picks, but they could take on J. Richardson and Duhon’s contracts (Howard/Richardson/Duhon for Bynum/World Peace).

      As written above, there are a lot of moving pieces here. They would all have to come together for Howard to move to the Nets.

    50. 2FOR18

      The leg accessory that is JVG: Stern can’t do anything to trade unlike the NO one.Also Howard HAS to sign with another team next year if he doesn’t get traded to the Nets unless he takes the mini mle next year (no way in Hell that will happen).So any team that trades for him will have a decent shot at keeping him.

      OMG a Heat fan! You really wouldn’t trade Bosh for Dwight? I would if I were Miami.
      I think they lucked out in the finals by not having to face a team with a big low post threat like Bynum or Duncan. Miami will probably beat any small ball team handily, but they have no one who can handle Bynum if he’s surrounded by the right parts, and Nash, Kobe and Gasol may be the right parts.
      But if your team trades Bosh for Dwight I think they’d be unbeatable in a 7 game series no matter what style of team they play.

    51. The leg accessory that is JVG

      2FOR18: OMG a Heat fan!You really wouldn’t trade Bosh for Dwight?I would if I were Miami.
      I think they lucked out in the finals by not having to face a team with a big low post threat like Bynum or Duncan.Miami will probably beat any small ball team handily, but they have no one who can handle Bynum if he’s surrounded by the right parts, and Nash, Kobe and Gasol may be the right parts.
      But if your team trades Bosh for Dwight I think they’d be unbeatable in a 7 game series no matter what style of team they play.

      Nah, I really wouldn’t because there are only 2 dominant centers in the league and in all likelihood the Heat won’t face either of them in the playoffs. Also its not like they can’t beat low post centers. They’ve beaten the lakers 3-4 times in the regular season and they beat hibbert this year without Bosh. Bosh really allows Lebron and Wade to work in the paint because he is such a threat for opposing centers as a jump shooter. Why break up a championship team just because there is maybe one team that could possibly beat you in 7 game series and that team isn’t even the favorite to make it out of the conference.

    52. d-mar

      This tweet from @Magic Insider pretty much summarizes how Orlando should play this thing out:

      “Again, if I’m the Magic, I hold out until Dwight expands his options beyond Brooklyn. They can get a bad deal anytime.”

      Exactly

    53. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Also to add on that. The Heat would most likely have to trade Wade otherwise the Heat would be even more susceptible to zone defenses and I would personally hate for Wade to be traded because of sentimental reason and what he has done for the franchise.

    54. thenamestsam

      The leg accessory that is JVG:
      Also to add on that.The Heat would most likely have to trade Wade otherwise the Heat would be even more susceptible to zone defenses and I would personally hate for Wade to be traded because of sentimental reason and what he has done for the franchise.

      Not only sentimental issues, but you’re talking about trading 2 of your 3 stars immediately after winning a championship. Is there any precedent for that in the history of sports? Plus Lebron went there to play with his buddies. Those are the guys he wants to play with. I don’t think you can risk losing him.

      Plus for the conspiracy theorists something Simmons has mentioned whenever trading Bosh comes up is that if you believe that a lot of tampering etc. went on with how those guys came to be playing in Miami then you have to be concerned that trading one of them (especially to a horrible situation like Orlando) is going to lead to some revelations about that.

    55. 2FOR18

      The leg accessory that is JVG:
      Also to add on that.The Heat would most likely have to trade Wade otherwise the Heat would be even more susceptible to zone defenses and I would personally hate for Wade to be traded because of sentimental reason and what he has done for the franchise.

      I don’t know. A line-up of Wade, Ray Allen, LeBron, Rashard Lewis and Dwight ought to be able to handle a zone.
      But I understand why you wouldn’t want to break things up.

    56. The leg accessory that is JVG

      2FOR18: I don’t know.A line-up of Wade, Ray Allen, LeBron, Rashard Lewis and Dwight ought to be able to handle a zone.
      But I understand why you wouldn’t want to break things up.

      Basically teams could pack the paint against the Heat and force the 3pt shooters to beat them and I think most teams would take that bet and hope they are off which is better than the Wade/Lebron/ Howard beating them. I’m not saying that Wade/Lebron/Howard wouldn’t work but, its going to take some serious changes to their playbook. Its alot harder to start from scratch then to build upon something. If you gave me Howard for Bosh a year ago, I would definetly take him. As of right now though, the Heat can win multiple championships either way so if it isn’t broke why fix it?

    57. diehardknickerbocker

      Sebas94:
      Paul won’t rule out Knicks? Does anybody think this is an actual possibility? I’m thinking not really due to cap space problems, but I’m not an authority.

      we can do it but will have to give up lin n chandler

    58. The leg accessory that is JVG

      diehardknickerbocker: we can do it but will have to give up lin n chandler

      I would do that in a heartbeat if I were Knicks. Then Stoudemire can go back to abusing centers. Defense would be worse but, Paul would create so many more fastbrake opportunities especially with his steal numbers.

    59. thenamestsam

      So according to Woj the latest iteration of the deal is:

      “In the proposed deal, Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark would be sent to Brooklyn, and the Magic would receive the Nets’ Brook Lopez, Damion James, Sheldon Williams, Cleveland’s Luke Walton and three future first-round picks, sources said. Cleveland would receive Orlando’s Quentin Richardson, Brooklyn’s Sundiata Gaines, Kris Humphries (on a one-year guaranteed deal), a first-round pick and $3 million from the Nets. Brooklyn also would send Brooks to a fourth team to get them an additional first-round pick to send to the Magic. ”

      What a sack of shit. I cannot believe this is real. I honestly think it’s an elaborate joke at this point.

    60. The leg accessory that is JVG

      W

      thenamestsam:
      So according to Woj the latest iteration of the deal is:

      “In the proposed deal, Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark would be sent to Brooklyn, and the Magic would receive the Nets’ Brook Lopez, Damion James, Sheldon Williams, Cleveland’s Luke Walton and three future first-round picks, sources said. Cleveland would receive Orlando’s Quentin Richardson, Brooklyn’s Sundiata Gaines, Kris Humphries (on a one-year guaranteed deal), a first-round pick and $3 million from the Nets. Brooklyn also would send Brooks to a fourth team to get them an additional first-round pick to send to the Magic.In the proposed deal, Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark would be sent to Brooklyn, and the Magic would receive the Nets’ Brook Lopez, Damion James, Sheldon Williams, Cleveland’s Luke Walton and three future first-round picks, sources said. Cleveland would receive Orlando’s Quentin Richardson, Brooklyn’s Sundiata Gaines, Kris Humphries (on a one-year guaranteed deal), a first-round pick and $3 million from the Nets. Brooklyn also would send Brooks to a fourth team to get them an additional first-round pick to send to the Magic.”

      What a sack of shit. I cannot believe this is real. I honestly think it’s an elaborate joke at this point.

      I don’t know whre these first round picks are coming from. I know Cleveland and the Magic aren’t offering any so how can the Nets produce 4 1st round picks from Marshon Brookes? Or did I read something wrong.

    61. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Wait nevermind. I was confusing the Nets with the Lakers. The Nets still have their future 1st rounders. Still all those picks will be in the low 20s. Maybe Gilbert knows he can’t beat Lebron with his own team so why not help another team beat him?

    62. ephus

      The Nets have their first round pick this year, Houston’s first round pick this year (top 14 protected) and their first round pick in 2015 to put into a trade. They could send Cleveland their 2017 first round pick (which might be quite high if the Nets have disassembled the Williams/Johnson/Howard/Wallace team). But they still need to get one more first round pick — apparently for Marshon Brooks.

      This seems like a horrible deal for Orlando. The Magic need to decide whether they will risk having Howard start the season in Orlando. If they are willing to have him put back on the Magic uniform, they will have another window after December 15 when signed players can be traded.

    63. Frank

      serious now: Harden, Ibaka, Perk +filler for DH12 + a lightly protected Orlando 1st.

      Orlando gets 2 guys that are young and obviously very good, a center to hold the fort. OKC gets to avoid the inevitable ugliness that will be next summer when both Harden and Ibaka are due to for big contracts (and luxury tax implications), and to get out from under Perk’s terrible contract/production.

      Not exactly a rebuilding-type deal for Orlando, but it’s basically impossible to think that even with 4 1st round picks they will get more than the value in this deal.

    64. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Frank:
      serious now: Harden, Ibaka, Perk +filler for DH12 + a lightly protected Orlando 1st.

      Orlando gets 2 guys that are young and obviously very good, a center to hold the fort.OKC gets to avoid the inevitable ugliness that will be next summer when both Harden and Ibaka are due to for big contracts (and luxury tax implications), and to get out from under Perk’s terrible contract/production.

      Not exactly a rebuilding-type deal for Orlando, but it’s basically impossible to think that even with 4 1st round picks they will get more than the value in this deal.

      It would be a good trade for both teams but, I think Howard would rather go into free agency than stay with that team though. 1. The market isn’t big enough to expand his brand. 2. There is already a go to guy there and Dwight wants to be the guy.

    65. Frank

      The leg accessory that is JVG: It would be a good trade for both teams but, I think Howard would rather go into free agency than stay with that team though.1. The market isn’t big enough to expand his brand. 2. There is already a go to guy there and Dwight wants to be the guy.

      KD is a global force already. I think Dwight would be just fine there. And he clearly doesn’t want to be “the guy” if he keeps trying to joing DWill and Joe Johnson. The big 3 of Russ, Durant, and DH12 would be better than Miami’s IMHO. And you still have Collison, Sefalosha, Perry Jones, Maynor’s return, etc. A deal like this could save tens of millions in lux tax (assuming they re-signed both Harden and Ibaka).

    66. ephus

      Frank: serious now: Harden, Ibaka, Perk +filler for DH12 + a lightly protected Orlando 1st.

      I have suggested a version of this before. The filler would have to either be Maynor + Cook or Sefolosha. I do not think Orlando would send out a first round pick (but your haggling may vary). OKC’s motivation to do this deal is that Harden and Ibaka will both likely become max players before next season (@ $12.9 million (or more if the salary cap goes up)), so they would have to become tax payers to keep both of them. This trade allows OKC to convert two excellent players into one superstar, and to get rid of Perkins’ contract. If OKC made this trade, they would below the tax line this year and very close next year.

      This deal gives Orlando the ability to compete this year and try to fill the building. But, this roster would not challenge for the title unless Ibaka developed into Dwight Howard II.

    67. thenamestsam

      Frank:
      serious now: Harden, Ibaka, Perk +filler for DH12 + a lightly protected Orlando 1st.

      Orlando gets 2 guys that are young and obviously very good, a center to hold the fort.OKC gets to avoid the inevitable ugliness that will be next summer when both Harden and Ibaka are due to for big contracts (and luxury tax implications), and to get out from under Perk’s terrible contract/production.

      Not exactly a rebuilding-type deal for Orlando, but it’s basically impossible to think that even with 4 1st round picks they will get more than the value in this deal.

      See this is what’s crazy about the trade being reported right now: You could cut the deal you just offered in half and still beat the Nets offer. Ibaka, a pick & filler (possibly including Perk) for Howard is better than what they’re getting now. The Thunder become prohibitive favorites next year and then if they can’t resign Howard? No biggie since they were probably going to have to deal Serge eventually.

      But the Thunder aren’t unique in that respect. Literally every GM in the league should read that report and call Hennigan offering to beat it. Every single one. The Knicks should call and offer Chandler and Shumpert with filler. It’s better than the shit sandwich they’re getting from the Nets:

      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6rkjuk7

      We take back Q-Rich’s bad salary too, throw in TD and Gadzuric’s non-guaranteed $ and take a serious shot this year + gamble that Dwight will like playing with Melo and Amare enough to re-up.

      But again the Knicks are not unique in this respect. About 25 NBA NBA teams should be willing to beat that offer.

    68. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Frank: KD is a global force already. I think Dwight would be just fine there. And he clearly doesn’t want to be “the guy” if he keeps trying to joing DWill and Joe Johnson.The big 3 of Russ, Durant, and DH12 would be better than Miami’s IMHO.And you still have Collison, Sefalosha, Perry Jones, Maynor’s return, etc.A deal like this could save tens of millions in lux tax (assuming they re-signed both Harden and Ibaka).

      I agree that you can market anywhere but from what I read about about Dwight is that he wants to go to a major market that can lead him to more money and appeal. He can get that in OKC of course but he can get that alot easier in a major market. Also you could argue who would be the best player on OKC if Dwight went there but, if he went tothe Nets Dwight would definetly be the best player thus, the go to guy which is what he desires. This was the reason why he was scared of going to the Lakers last year. That being said Dwight is clearly a child so its kinda hard to predict what exactly he will do given the circumstances.

    69. Frank

      thenamestsam: Literally every GM in the league should read that report and call Hennigan offering to beat it. Every single one.

      Which is why this whole media frenzy the last 48h is either the Nets trying to pressure Orlando, or Hennigan trying to get other buyers.

      I still say very little chance this DH12–>BKN happens.

    70. BigBlueAL

      Guys, its pretty obvious teams are not willing to trade for Dwight Howard with the fear he leaves after next season. Quite frankly the horrible Nets trade might be the only trade the Magic can actually make because no other team is willing to trade for Dwight Howard.

    71. The leg accessory that is JVG

      BigBlueAL:
      Guys, its pretty obvious teams are not willing to trade for Dwight Howard with the fear he leaves after next season.Quite frankly the horrible Nets trade might be the only trade the Magic can actually make because no other team is willing to trade for Dwight Howard.

      I find that really silly though. Especially for teams that aren’t close to contending. Why not take the risk of getting him and then try to sell him hard to stay with Nets now being out of the picture. The worst thing that could happen is that you end up being the worst team in the league and get a high draft pick. Still much better than being a mediocre team.

    72. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Bigger markets probably have a better chance of keeping him there though. So teams like Dallas, Chicago, and Houston should be as afraid as others.

    73. thenamestsam

      4 years 15 mil for Novak. More money and years than I’d like to see for such a one-dimensional player and I suspect that we will look at it with distaste eventually, but we had the Bird rights and it’s just money and besides everyone loves Novakaine. I’m getting a jersey, or at least a t-shirt.

    74. Frank

      Steve Novak signs! 4 years, $15MM, all guaranteed. Would sort have preferred a team option on the 4th year, but this is totally fair. Right between mini- and full-MLEs, and even if he’s no good, <$4M/year is not such a bad mistake to make.

    75. BigBlueAL

      thenamestsam:
      4 years 15 mil for Novak. More money and years than I’d like to see for such a one-dimensional player and I suspect that we will look at it with distaste eventually, but we had the Bird rights and it’s just money and besides everyone loves Novakaine. I’m getting a jersey, or at least a t-shirt.

      Thats actually a pretty fair deal to me. Less than 4 mil per year.

    76. The leg accessory that is JVG

      thenamestsam:
      4 years 15 mil for Novak. More money and years than I’d like to see for such a one-dimensional player and I suspect that we will look at it with distaste eventually, but we had the Bird rights and it’s just money and besides everyone loves Novakaine. I’m getting a jersey, or at least a t-shirt.

      could be worse. Miller is essentially a one dimensional player now and the Heat still have to pay him 18 million. Its actually a pretty decent deal for a 3 point specialist. Korver got 5 mil from Chicago for providing the same role.

    77. ephus

      If a team trades for Howard, how credible is his threat to sign elsewhere after the season. He would not be able to bully his way to the Nets, because the Nets will not be in a position to take on that salary absent a sign-and-trade. He could force his way to the Lakers (double sign-and-trade with Bynum), but Bynum signed to a maximum contract would be a fine consolation prize.

      Atlanta would be Howard’s biggest threat. The Hawks should have the cap space to sign Howard and he grew up in the area. So, if you trade for Howard, you are taking the risk that he would prefer a four year max deal in Atlanta (with 4.5% raises) over a five year maximum deal (with 7.5% raises) to stay with you.

    78. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Damn, I really hate Dwight Howard. Just because he couldn’t make a decision last year, we are still talking about the bum today. I really hope the Magic trade him soon. Hopefully not the Nets because I’m tired of all the rumors.

    79. Z

      ephus:

      Atlanta would be Howard’s biggest threat.The Hawks should have the cap space to sign Howard and he grew up in the area.So, if you trade for Howard, you are taking the risk that he would prefer a four year max deal in Atlanta (with 4.5% raises) over a five year maximum deal (with 7.5% raises) to stay with you.

      Maybe Altanta should “Landry Fields” Brook Lopez with some kind of poison pill offer sheet to screw with the Nets…

    80. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Z: Maybe Altanta should “Landry Fields” Brook Lopez with some kind of poison pill offer sheet to screw with the Nets…

      wouldn’t work cuz then the Hawks would have to keep him and wouldn’t have money to sign Howard. I don’t think another team will try that again so soon after it backfired on toronto.

    81. Z

      The leg accessory that is JVG:
      Damn, I really hate Dwight Howard.Just because he couldn’t make a decision last year, we are still talking about the bum today.I really hope the Magic trade him soon.Hopefully not the Nets because I’m tired of all the rumors.

      He could make a decision back then: he wanted the nets. But the Magic didn’t want the nets offer bak then, and it hasn’t gotten much better.

      The Magic wanted Bynum back in February. They’d still gladly take him over the junk the Nets are offering. But the Lakers are a smart organization. Bynum was the best center in the league for the second half of last season, and it wasn’t because Howard was hurt.

    82. Gideon Zaga

      Ok enough with the Howard stuff, how about some Knicks talk please. And who caress if he goes to the nets, I’m not scared of Avery Johnson at all. Dwight might get him fired too, I’m sure he can do an Avery impersonation.

    83. Z

      The leg accessory that is JVG: wouldn’t work cuz then the Hawks would have to keep him and wouldn’t have money to sign Howard.I don’t think another team will try that again so soon after it backfired on toronto.

      Once again, the Knicks are ahead of the curve!

      (but the Hawks could absorb Lopez (the offer would have to be LESS $ for the first 2 years, then balloon up) and still have a lot of room for Howard plus someone else (especially because Lopez would facilitate a Harford trade)

    84. massive

      If I’m a GM, I’m forcing Dwight’s hand. He can’t get to Brooklyn unless he’s traded, because nobody is taking on Joe Johnson or Gerald Wallace in a trade. They’re capped out. He is literally at the mercy of NBA front offices if he wants to get to Brooklyn. He can say “I won’t sign an extension with you guys,” but that means nothing because he has no real choice. There are no premier destinations with cap space anymore, so he can only threaten to leave for Atlanta and maybe Houston. And both of those teams can outbid Brooklyn with their eyes closed (they have better GMs and better assets).

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Dwight goes to LA, Houston, or Chicago. Brooklyn still seems like a long-shot to me.

      And I’m glad we could keep Novak. That guy like an automatic weapon from 3.

    85. thenamestsam

      The leg accessory that is JVG: could be worse.Miller is essentially a one dimensional player now and the Heat still have to pay him 18 million.Its actually a pretty decent deal for a 3 point specialist.Korver got 5 mil from Chicago for providing the same role.

      Yeah, could definitely be worse and I’m not complaining. All it hurts is Dolan’s pocketbook and if I could set $5M of Dolan’s dollars on fire or let him keep them there’s no mystery what I or anyone else on here would choose. I do think Novak is a bit more limited than the other 3pt specialists because he doesn’t really shoot on the move the way most of them do. You can’t use him off curls and stuff the way the Bulls use Korver or the Heat used Miller when he could still move. I’m worried Novak is going to become a lot less useful now that the league knows all about him. As the Heat showed you can completely eliminate him if you commit to doing it. Still, the opportunity cost of bringing him back was effectively 0, so I’m happy he’s here.

    86. ephus

      Just realized that the Nets do not still have Houston’s 2013 first round pick — it was sent away as part of the Joe Johnson deal. So that is why the need to get one more pick (for Marshon Brooks) in order to send three first rounders to Orlando and one first rounder to Cleveland. My guess is that Cleveland would take the Nets 2017 first round pick, when the Nets might be bad again and Cleveland will have incorporated all of the youth from this draft and next year’s draft (currently slated for four first round picks next year).

    87. ephus

      Like everyone else who has posted, I am happy that Novak is coming back. If he is working on one skill this off-season, I hope it is learning to pick and pop. It is a much less athletic move than learning to curl off of a screen. Since Lambeer could do it, I figure it is within Novak’s reach. A Lin/Novak PnP would be a devastating play.

    88. The leg accessory that is JVG

      Well looks like Indy is going to match for Hibbert so all that nice cap space is gone as well as their chance to really contend.

    89. yellowboy90

      Z: Maybe Altanta should “Landry Fields” Brook Lopez with some kind of poison pill offer sheet to screw with the Nets…

      If I am Houston I would do that or even Philly with the cap room they have I would do it just to pick up a good player.

    90. The leg accessory that is JVG

      I’d be scared if I were OKC after seeing all these ridiculous RFA offers. They better hope they can get extensions done with Harden or Ibaka this year or they run the risk of losing at least one if not both of them.

    91. ephus

      The leg accessory that is JVG: I’d be scared if I were OKC after seeing all these ridiculous RFA offers. They better hope they can get extensions done with Harden or Ibaka this year or they run the risk of losing at least one if not both of them.

      Or they could make the monster offer to Orlando for Howard. Westbrook/Sefolosha/Durant/Collison/Howard is a world-beating team, and it can be kept together.

    92. The leg accessory that is JVG

      ephus: Or they could make the monster offer to Orlando for Howard.Westbrook/Sefolosha/Durant/Collison/Howard is a world-beating team, and it can be kept together.

      Absolutely but if Howard agrees to an extension otherwise its not worth the risk of losing both.

    93. ephus

      According to ESPN (take it for what it is worth), Clippers are joining as the fourth team in the Howard/Nets trade. Clippers would get Marshon Brooks for a lottery protected first round pick. In this version of the trade, the Nets would get back Dwight Howard, Jason Richardson, Earl Clark AND Chris Duhon. Duhon was not in the earlier versions.

      http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8144717/sources-nets-magic-need-fourth-team-possibly-complete-dwight-howard-trade

      Still think this is a lousy trade for the Magic, but I absolutely understand why the Clippers would want to join in. They guarantee that Howard is not going to land in the Staples Center to play for the Lakers for the next four years.

    94. thenamestsam

      I get the Clips position I guess, though if they want to win a chip it seems like they should be trying to snag Dwight here, not facilitating him going somewhere else. On the other hand I have literally no idea what the Cavs are doing. They’re setting up another Eastern Conference juggernaut in exchange for what? A lottery protected 1st round pick and $3M in cash? Is it just to try to mess up a Lebron dynasty?

    95. ephus

      The Cavs would be turning Luke Walton’s expiring contract into Kris Humphries (one year guarantee?), Sundiata Gaines, Quentin Richardson and a first round pick (probably in 2017 and NOT lottery protected) plus $3 million in cash.

      The Nets may be lousy again by 2017, so the pick may be really valuable. And they may be able to flip Humphries’ non-guaranteed salary plus draft picks for a center on a similar contract next off-season. But overall it does not make immediate sense.

    96. Frank

      ephus:
      The Cavs would be turning Luke Walton’s expiring contract into Kris Humphries (one year guarantee?), Sundiata Gaines, Quentin Richardson and a first round pick (probably in 2017 and NOT lottery protected) plus $3 million in cash.

      The Nets may be lousy again by 2017, so the pick may be really valuable. And they may be able to flip Humphries’ non-guaranteed salary plus draft picks for a center on a similar contract next off-season.But overall it does not make immediate sense.

      No way Humphries agrees to a deal that only has 1 year guarantee. Dude averaged 19/12/2 and is a very good player. He’s probably worth near what Ryan Anderson is worth if you ask me.

    97. thenamestsam

      Frank: No way Humphries agrees to a deal that only has 1 year guarantee. Dude averaged 19/12/2 and is a very good player.He’s probably worth near what Ryan Anderson is worth if you ask me.

      Yeah Humphries agent is saying there’s no way he’d sign a one year deal, which makes sense. He should be able to get much more (although I haven’t heard any reported interest). As numerous people have pointed out on twitter it’s really weird that all the teams in the league seem content to let this proceed unchecked. There’s about 5 guys getting signed and traded as part of this deal now and signing any one of them would throw a serious kink in things and yet there haven’t been reports of anyone even trying to talk to any of these guys. So weird.

    98. ephus

      Frank: No way Humphries agrees to a deal that only has 1 year guarantee. Dude averaged 19/12/2 and is a very good player. He’s probably worth near what Ryan Anderson is worth if you ask me.

      I was surprised too, but Woj is reporting it is only a one year guarantee for Humphries.

      http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba–nets-emerge-again-as-strong-contender-to-land-dwight-howard.html

      I assume that he is getting a max deal to make the salaries work, so he is looking at $15 million next year and then another UFA.

    99. Robtachi

      The leg accessory that is JVG: I would do that in a heartbeat if I were Knicks.Then Stoudemire can go back to abusing centers.Defense would be worse but, Paul would create so many more fastbrake opportunities especially with his steal numbers.

      I dunno, that’s certainly a fair exchange of talent and I would theoretically like that deal a lot in a vacuum, but in the context of the current Knicks, that basically makes them a slightly better version of the Clippers.

      BigBlueAL:
      Guys, its pretty obvious teams are not willing to trade for Dwight Howard with the fear he leaves after next season.Quite frankly the horrible Nets trade might be the only trade the Magic can actually make because no other team is willing to trade for Dwight Howard.

      But why does Orlando need to do it now? Why not wait until the deadline? That shitty offer from the Nets is not going anywhere, meanwhile other less shitty offers might come up.

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