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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Jan 30 2012)

  • [New York Post] Is it possible Knicks’ broadcasts are better? (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 05:35:50 -0500)
    Accidents happen.
    In new Knicks radio and TV man Spero Dedes, the local march of screaming shills and game-wreckers has been interrupted.
    Friday, for a second straight week because young old pro Mike Breen was calling a national telecast, Dedes worked MSG’s Knicks telecast with Walt Frazier and Bernard…

  • [New York Post] Amar’e deflects heat from coach (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 04:47:17 -0500)
    At the very least, embattled Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni has the support of Amar’e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler.
    Those players’ cutting postgame remarks late Saturday night in Houston were aimed at their teammates â?? not a coaching staff under fire.
    Stoudemire and Chandler have been around the league long…

  • [New York Post] Point-ed critique of Baron (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 04:37:15 -0500)
    Some Knicks are surprised point guard Baron Davis did not make his debut on their four-game recent road trip, according to a person familiar with the situation.Despite the club’s crisis-level 1-9 slide in their past 10 games, Davis â?? who has not played this season because of herniated disks…

  • [New York Daily News] Dolan gives D’Antonio the silent treatment (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 05:25:43 GMT)
    WHAT WAS once identified by Mike D’Antoni as a “little crisisâ? is evolving into a full-blown catastrophe.

  • [New York Times] Washington Wizards Stumbling Through Rough Season (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:30:12 GMT)
    A young team, Washington started the season 0-8 and has improved to 4-16, but uncertainty surrounds its lineup.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Heat Edge Bulls in Miami (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:30:12 GMT)
    Derrick Rose missed two free throws that would have given Chicago a lead with 22.7 seconds left, then missed a short jumper that would have tied the game in the final seconds.

  • [New York Times] Heat 99, Knicks 89: With Anthony on Sideline, Knicks Bow to the Heat (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:00:26 GMT)
    The injured Carmelo Anthony watched the Knicks keep it close before they succumbed against the Heat.

  • [New York Times] Billups Leads Clippers to 109-105 Win Over Nuggets (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:55:21 GMT)
    Chauncey Billups’ homecoming couldn’t have gone better. He scored a season-high 32 points and drew a crucial foul in the waning seconds to help seal the Los Angeles Clippers’ 109-105 victory that snapped the Denver Nuggets’ six-game winning streak Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Bryant, Lakers Outlast Timberwolves 106-101 (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:52:16 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant had 35 points and 14 rebounds and Pau Gasol scored 28 to give the Los Angeles Lakers a much-needed road victory, 106-101 over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Terry Scores 34, Mavs Beat Spurs 101-100 in OT (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 04:37:22 GMT)
    Jason Terry was more than willing to take the big shots, with Dirk Nowitzki just getting back into the Dallas Mavericks’ lineup. Terry made them when they mattered, too.

  • [New York Times] Teague Scores 24 to Lead Hawks Past Hornets 94-72 (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:46:12 GMT)
    Jeff Teague tied a career high with 24 points despite playing on a sore left ankle and the Atlanta Hawks beat the New Orleans Hornets 94-72 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] LeBron Cycles Through Miami to Bulls Game (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:02:14 GMT)
    LeBron James got in the saddle before the Miami Heat’s clash with the Chicago Bulls on Sunday, riding to the game on his bicycle.

  • [New York Times] Granger’s Big Night Helps Pacers Down Magic 106-85 (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:58:03 GMT)
    Danny Granger scored 24 points, and David West and George Hill each had 16 as the Indiana Pacers ran past the Orlando Magic 106-85 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] DeRozan Leads Raptors Past Nets 94-73 (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:40:06 GMT)
    DeMar DeRozan scored 19 of his 27 points in the second half, leading the Toronto Raptors to a 94-73 victory over the New Jersey Nets on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Cavs Close With 12-0 Run to Beat Celtics 88-87 (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:52:31 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving scored 23 points, sinking a layup with 2.6 seconds left as the Cleveland Cavaliers scored the last 12 points of the game to beat the Boston Celtics 88-87 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat Overcome Bulls in Battle of the East (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:53:29 GMT)
    By Simon Evans

  • [New York Times] James, Heat Escape With 97-93 Win Over Bulls (Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:10:33 GMT)
    LeBron James scored 35 points, while reigning NBA MVP Derrick Rose wasted two chances in the final 23 seconds and the Miami Heat escaped with a 97-93 win Sunday over the Chicago Bulls.

  • 21 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Jan 30 2012)

    1. slovene knick

      Now that the Ship obviously be sinking – again(still) I wouldn’t mind Ted Nelson’s take on state of things.
      Ted would you mind please.
      It will help a little to overcome ridicule basketball friends put me thru.

      I comfort myself with thinking about 99 happening all over again.

      Things should be better?Right?

    2. Frank O.

      So, every time the Knicks lose folks are just going to bail?
      I realize this is a tough losing streak. I realize there are a lot of folks jumping on the “I told you so wagon,” but is this fair?
      Did people expect this transition to be smooth?
      I can look back at the outset of the season and see comments from people afraid that TD would have trouble at point (correct), that Melo would have difficulty playing point forward (correct, but I think he can do it, still), that there were likely going to be injury issues for everyone (correct), that the team’s depth was a weakness (correct) and that the Knicks would struggle with chemistry through the first half of the season (correct).
      So what has been a surprise? The Knicks defense is actually quite. Chandler is a lot better than most expected. But most of all, that the offense would struggle so mightily. TD is probably the biggest bust of the season. His shoulder is not well and it affects every part of his game. Frankly, he should lose all his minutes to Lin. Certainly Lin can’t be worse and at least he’s a point guard.
      Last, we all underestimated how difficult Amare’s back injury was. It took all the off season for him to feel well enough to run and play ball.
      I think the Knicks do their fan base a serious disservice by not letting fans know what is going on physically with its players. Some 25 games go by before anyone makes note of Amare’s physical problems. No one speaks of TD’s shoulder, tho he grimaces EVERY TIME he gets picked, and between many plays his shoulder drags.
      So how is it that many on this board are calling for a firing? If you know all this, what has changed? He can’t make his bench better. He can’t make TD’s shoulder better or Amare regain his mojo faster than his body will permit. He’s tried multiple line ups, gone deep into his bench.
      I just think a lot of what I’m reading is emotional, reactionary tripe.

    3. d-mar

      @3 Amen to that Frank. This season so far has been really hard to take for everyone, and I’m personally taking a financial hit as well as a season ticket holder trying to sell games to a pissed off fan base. But think about where we are – our defense is way better than last year (no torchings by no name centers, no layup lines to the basket) and our offense has been horrible. Our best player has been killed by injuries (why does everyone forget that he was playing pretty damn well before the first wrist injury?) and it’s obvious that STAT is not 100% either. And our best PG has yet to play a game.

      Not saying we should all be jumping for joy at the state of the Knicks, but the negative comments on this board are sometimes just over the top.

    4. sykes

      As a relatively new basketball fan (I moved to NY from England in 2005) I can’t tell you how much reading KB has added to my understanding and enjoyment of the game – thanks to all the posters for your insights.
      I’d be interested to get thoughts on a couple of points:
      First: I’m reading coach K’s book on the 2008 US Olympic team and it’s clear there was a great emphasis on teamwork and defensive effort in that group. Carmelo was obviously a big piece in that team (voted team MVP in 07 and 08), yet his team play and defensive efforts are arguably the weakest areas of his game. I didn’t follow team USA, and was wondering if anyone here could explain how Melo had success in such a set up, and whether his style of play with team USA could shed any light on the debate of his (or any players) adaptability to fit a role / change their game to better mesh with different circumstances? ie Does the team USA experience give Knick fans any hope for Melo adapting to our current system (especially bearing in mind D’Antoni coached with team USA)?!

      I’m also curious why so many here are so adamant that the max contracts given to Melo and Amare are such an impediment to the Knicks future flexibility? They may be overpaid, but it seems to me that their names alone give them trade value in the league (it’s clear many GMs and owners are just as ‘star’ obsessed as Dolan). There are several rumors already out there about STAT, and if it becomes clear he no longer fits in NY, it shouldn’t be too hard to get a decent package for him, even with his dodgy knees. Likewise, im sure Melo remains sought after by the majority of GMs. Or am I way off with that assumption?

    5. Bruno Almeida

      @6

      I personally think with Carmelo, it’s all about effort.

      he’s obviously incredibly talented, he’s got all the physical tools to be a great superstar, and he’s skilled enough to be a huge player both offensively and defensively.

      however, he’s never really shown the effort and the will to be a great players like others did… even while it’s painfully obvious that his isolations hurt the team’s offense, he seems adamant on doing it (we’re like the 1st team in number of iso plays and one of the absolute worst ones in shooting percentage on those plays), and he only plays defense when he seems to want to (admittedly, he does a pretty good job when he tries).

      that’s why I think Carmelo is redeemable and he could be a true superstar, but he needs the right coaching staff (not D’Antoni) and the right teammates (not Amare).

      on the right team, he could be our Paul Pierce… but with our terrible guards, our terrible coaching staff and Amare never really fitting with him (and playing matador defense), it won’t happen anytime soon.

    6. Z

      I have a random, off topic, unsolicited comment about Landry Fields: I think he did himself a PR disservice playing so far above his head for the first 54 games of his rookie year.

      IF he had been the 13th man on the Knicks his rookie year, the way an unheralded 2nd round pick in a week draft SHOULD be, and worked his way up to the games he’s had the past two weeks, I think we would all be very excited about his prospects of being a contributing member of a good team..

      Fields shot 33% from the college 3pt line his senior year. To expect him to shoot 44% from the pro 3 pt line against better defenders is unrealistic, yet that was what he did for 54 games, and then we expected him to keep it up.

      By setting the bar impossibly high for himself, he has somehow managed to turn the fans against himself. I would expect smarter self-marketing from a Stanford grad.

    7. jon abbey

      sykes:
      As a relatively new basketball fan (I moved to NY from England in 2005) I can’t tell you how much reading KB has added to my understanding and enjoyment of the game – thanks to all the posters for your insights.
      I’d be interested to get thoughts on a couple of points:
      First: I’m reading coach K’s book on the 2008 US Olympic team and it’s clear there was a great emphasis on teamwork and defensive effort in that group. Carmelo was obviously a big piece in that team (voted team MVP in 07 and 08), yet his team play and defensive efforts are arguably the weakest areas of his game. I didn’t follow team USA, and was wondering if anyone here could explain how Melo had success in such a set up, and whether his style of play with team USA could shed any light on the debate of his (or any players) adaptability to fit a role / change their game to better mesh with different circumstances? ie Does the team USA experience give Knick fans any hope for Melo adapting to our current system (especially bearing in mind D’Antoni coached with team USA)?!

      that US team had ten times the talent of any of the other teams they were facing, they really didn’t need to play much D to win, no matter what that book says.

    8. JK47

      Toney Douglas’ stats this season are so spectacularly bad, they’re actually funny.

      TS%: .397
      eFG%: .376
      WS/48: -.065

      Here’s the most painful statistic:
      USG%: 25.1

      Worst rotation player in the NBA, hands down. There isn’t another player who’s played over 200 minutes who can come close to matching that level of ineptitude. More good news: Toney has once again been elevated to the role of starting point guard.

      Please kill me.

    9. xduckshoex

      For those who are looking for something to be optimistic about: 12 of the Knicks last 15 opponents have put up their season average or below in offensive efficiency.

      This means that if the offense can improve even a little bit with a somewhat healthy Davis and Melo willing to share the rock more while the defense stays consistent the Knicks should be playing in the postseason and have a punchers chance against their first round opponent.

    10. ess-dog

      JK47:
      Toney has once again been elevated to the role of starting point guard.

      Please kill me.

      I saw this too and wanted to cry. I agree that Shump can’t play the point, but why can’t we just give Lin a shot? His WS48 is .215. He’s averaging 10.3 assists per 36. I know these minutes were all in garbage time against backups but even if you cut these #’s in half, they’re WAYYY better than what Douglas is doing.

      The Douglas coddling has to stop NOW.

    11. Juany8

      We’ve actually become pretty good on defense, even though only 4 of our players are even average defenders (Chandler, Jeffries, Shumpert, and Melo). Melo gets the most attention from this board, but if Amar’e started making an effort on defense and started hitting his jumper consistently, like he has the past few years, and we get a starting caliber point guard instead of 2 of the worst players in the NBA in Mike Bibby and Douglas, we’d have a chance against a team like Chicago that has serious issues generating offense outside of Rose. The Knicks mostly need things other teams take for granted, like NBA caliber guards and bench players.

    12. JK47

      Toney Douglas’ play this season has been like a meal at the Olive Garden: it sucks, but you get a lot of it. Lots of minutes for TD and oh so many shot attempts.

      Toney Douglas ranks third on the team in FGA. Iman Shumpert is fourth. If that continues, this will continue to be a very bad offense. D’Antoni has to figure out ways to get more shots to the more efficient players. Toney is hoisting up 16.5 FGA per 36 minutes; that is incredibly dumb basketball. If your shot is not falling, STOP CHUCKING. The guy should be glued to the end of the bench. Jeremy Lin may not be great but I’m pretty sure he could do better than a -.065 WS%.

    13. hoolahoop

      This, from the guy who consistently refers to himself as the team’s leader:

      Anthony, who rested his ailments the past two games, including Friday’s showdown with the Heat, was not in the locker room after the Houston loss. He was not on the bench for either game because he was getting treatment, but should be back at practice today and play tomorrow.

      Anthony never has appeared to be a big fan of D’Antoni’s speedball offense, which he has mockingly referred to as “D’Antoni’s quote unquote system.’’ After last season, Anthony seemed ambivalent compared to Stoudemire when asked if he wanted D’Antoni back.

    14. Frank

      We can blame Carmelo all we want (and he is definitely at least part of the problem, especially recently), but the reason this team sucks right now is because OUR GUARDS ARE HORRIBLE. We have 4 guards that play a total of 120 minutes per game (when they’re not injured) – Douglas, Fields, Bibby, and Walker. Their COMBINED PER is only a little bit better than Lebron James by himself (TD+LF+MB+BW = 37, LBJ = 33). You could have Bill Russell, Karl Malone, and Bernard King playing the 3, 4, and 5 and this team would still suck.

      The worst offender by far is Douglas. I’m sure he has a shoulder problem but if your shoulder problem is bad enough to make you WITHOUT A DOUBT the worst player in the NBA, I think you should sit down. The worst thing is that PER overrates volume scorers like Douglas and he STILL SUCKS.

      This is what the D-League should be for. If Douglas is hurt, make him inactive until he is better. If he’s well enough to play, send him to Erie to play PG full-time and recover his confidence. It’s not like he’s earned the right to stay with the big club no matter what – at best he’s the 6th or 7th man on this team. It wouldn’t exactly be like sending Jeter to Triple-A.

    15. Frank

      flossy: … in 42 minutes.Of garbage time.

      True but no other guard on this team has shown the ability to penetrate the defense without jacking up runners from 3 feet that fall 2 feet short. I don’t think Lin has enough to stick in this league but he cannot be worse than Douglas is right now. I’m a fan of DWTDD but he is the single greatest reason that this team is off to such a bad start – both because of the absence of ability (inability to play PG) and inability to stop shooting and missing.

    16. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

      True but no other guard on this team has shown the ability to penetrate the defense without jacking up runners from 3 feet that fall 2 feet short. I don’t think Lin has enough to stick in this league but he cannot be worse than Douglas is right now. I’m a fan of DWTDD but he is the single greatest reason that this team is off to such a bad start – both because of the absence of ability (inability to play PG) and inability to stop shooting and missing.

      Yeah, exactly. It is not that Lin is awesome, but it is also not like he has not shown he could hack it as a back-up point guard for an NBA team (like he did just last season for Golden State). And a serviceable back-up point guard is a heck of a lot better than what Bibby and Toney and Shump (as a point guard) give the Knicks.

    17. Frank O.

      Frank: w

      I have to agree wit this. TD has not only been terrible on offense and defense, he’s also a horrible passer. He misses people when there open and tries to hit people when they’re not, and often he simply passes the ball to an opponent.
      He shoots like he has a 40 percent success rate from 3, but he’s a 20 percent shooter.
      and his usage is ridiculous. At some point, D’Antoni will need to pull the plug. I understand why he hasn’t, TD is young and the Knicks had high hopes that he would be a solid guy, but the time is coming where they need to give him a break. He needs to get healthy and he needs to get some games against D league folks to build confidence.

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