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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Feb 25 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] For Knicks to have shot, Kidd must find his (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:38:01 GMT)
    If Jason Kidd needed yet another reminder about his protracted longevity, the old memory bank was jostled again on Sunday when Kenyon Martin walked into the Knick locker room and donned a uniform in the neighboring cubbyhole.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Amar’e OK with bench role (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:37:55 GMT)
    Should the Knicks go cold, however, as they did in the four games prior to Sunday’s win, Stoudemire hinted he might not be so thrilled about it.

  • [New York Daily News] Stat and Melo get Knicks back on track in win over Sixers (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:49:17 GMT)
    The Knicks were determined to end their four-game losing streak Sunday night, and if they needed to do a little pushing and shoving to get there, they were prepared to do just that.

  • [New York Times] Matthews Scores 24 as Blazers Beat Celtics 92-86 (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:39:58 GMT)
    Wesley Matthews had 24 points, including a clutch 3-pointer with less than a minute to go, and the Portland Trail Blazers snapped their longest losing streak of the season at seven games with a 92-86 win over the Boston Celtics on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Thunder’s D Back to Form in 102-72 Rout of Bulls (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:18:53 GMT)
    Russell Westbrook scored 23 points, Kevin Durant and Serge Ibaka both contributed double-doubles and the Oklahoma City Thunder held Chicago to the worst shooting performance in the NBA this season, beating the Bulls 102-72 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Knicks’ Stoudemire, Role Limited, Shows All That He Can Do (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:08:36 GMT)
    Twenty-three games into his season, Amar’e Stoudemire has had to return to shape and adapt to a new role. Thus far, he has done both.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies 76, Nets 72: Nets Point to a Noncall, but Have Themselves to Blame in a Loss (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 04:52:54 GMT)
    The Nets were frustrated by their own ineptitude against the Grizzlies and incensed over the officiating, specifically the lack of a foul call after Deron Williams was hammered with 26 seconds to go and the game tied.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 99, 76ers 93: Knicks Defeat 76ers to End Four-Game Losing Streak (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 04:35:11 GMT)
    Coach Mike Woodson put Tyson Chandler on the court with his four regular reserves, helping the Knicks earn their first win since the All-Star break.

  • [New York Times] Randolph, Gasol Lead Grizzlies Over Nets 76-72 (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 04:32:09 GMT)
    Zach Randolph had 16 points and 14 rebounds, Marc Gasol scored 14 points and the Memphis Grizzlies won their seventh straight game, 76-72 over the Brooklyn Nets on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Bryant Outdoes Nowitzki as Lakers Beat Mavericks (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 04:05:25 GMT)
    Dirk Nowitzki had a season-high 30 points, but Kobe Bryant had 38 to lead Los Angeles past Dallas.

  • [New York Times] Mills, Leonard Lead Balanced Spurs Past Suns 97-87 (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:51:52 GMT)
    Patty Mills and Kawhi Leonard scored 16 points apiece to lead six San Antonio players in double figures, and the Spurs ended their nine-game road trip Sunday night with a 97-87 victory over the Phoenix Suns.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Beat 76ers 99-93 to End 4-Game Skid (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:59:59 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony scored 29 points, Amare Stoudemire had a season-high 22, and the New York Knicks snapped their longest losing streak of the season at four games by beating the Philadelphia 76ers 99-93 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat Blow Huge Lead Then Beat Cavs for 11th in Row (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:46:07 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade got hot down the stretch, and LeBron James missed a layup in the final minute.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Salley Offers a Healthy Assist (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:23:28 GMT)
    John Salley, a 6-foot-11 power forward and center, became a vegetarian in January 1991 after he felt he had to make changes in his lifestyle.

  • [New York Times] Young, Smith Lead A’s Past Angels 7-5 (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:13:29 GMT)
    This early in spring training, the Oakland Athletics want to be careful with even the slightest twinge.

  • [New York Times] Essay: Return of SuperSonics Would Fill Void for Seattle Fans (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:09:53 GMT)
    Seattle fans feel hopeful but also wary, and somewhat guilty, with the sale of the Sacramento Kings and the prospect of the SuperSonics’ return.

  • [New York Times] Davis, Gordon Lead Hornets Past Kings 110-95 (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 01:46:09 GMT)
    Anthony Davis had 20 points and eight rebounds, and Eric Gordon added 17 points and eight assists to lead the New Orleans Hornets to a 110-95 victory over the Sacramento Kings on Sunday.

  • [New York Times] Greinke Goes 2 Innings, Dodgers Tie White Sox 2-2 (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 01:34:18 GMT)
    Zack Greinke felt right at home in his new uniform.

  • [New York Times] Kazmir Goes 2 Innings, Indians Beat Brewers 7-4 (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 01:09:54 GMT)
    Scott Kazmir hopes Sunday was a big step on his road back to the major leagues.

  • [New York Times] Hinske, Prado Lead Diamondbacks Over Rockies 8-6 (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:58:07 GMT)
    Eric Hinske feels right at home in Arizona, and the transition to playing for the Diamondbacks has been pretty comfortable as well.

  • [New York Times] Bryant Silences Cuban With 38 Points in Lakers’ Win (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:36:40 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant fired back at Dallas owner Mark Cuban with 38 points as he lifted the Los Angeles Lakers past the Mavericks 103-99 on Sunday.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Is Amar'e eyeing a role change? (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:11:07 EDT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire’s fine with coming off of the bench and sitting down the stretch of games — as long as the Knicks win.
    So said Stoudemire after the Knicks’ win over Philly on Sunday.
    “(If) we keep winning then we’re good. When we start losing a little bit then you start thinking about it,” Stoudemire said after scoring 22 points in 22 minutes against the Sixers. “But we won the game and we played well down the stretch.”
    Since returning from injury on Jan.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Physical practices fuel Knicks on defense (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:28:33 EDT)
    Two days before they faced the Celtics on Jan. 24, the Knicks said they had one of their best practices of the season, where, as Carmelo Anthony described it, they “really competed and got after each other, fouled a little bit, got physical out there.”
    The Knicks went on to win 89-86, avenging their Jan. 7 loss to Boston at the Garden.
    A similar storyline unfolded on Sunday night in the Knicks’ 99-93 win over the 76ers. Not only did the Knicks lose to the Sixers previously on Jan.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Woody: Melo has to control his emotions (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:07:50 EDT)
    Mike Woodson winced a little bit when he saw Carmelo Anthony — his best and most important player — square off with Philadelphia center Spencer Hawes on Sunday.
    Nothing came of the skirmish.
    Anthony was whistled for a flagrant and Hawes and Tyson Chandler — who came to Anthony’s defense and shoved Hawes out of the way — received technical fouls.
    But it was the latest example this season of Anthony letting things get under his skin.
    “He’s just got to control his emotions,” Woodson said.

  • [New York Newsday] Amar'e Stoudemire sparks victory in highly efficient effort (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:10:00 EST)
    Injury-prone, overpaid and unmovable.

  • [New York Post] Anthony, Amar’e spark needed win over 76ers (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:02:42 -0500)
    And you were worried about the Knicks.
    There was nothing wrong with them that being at home against a team that entered with its own four-game losing streak, a record of nine games under .500 and a schedule that had them playing the tail end of a back-to-back wouldn’t…

  • [New York Post] Chandler rides to Melo’s defense (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 04:25:28 -0500)
    So maybe it was a bit of a cheap shot by Carmelo Anthony when he smacked Sixers center Spencer Hawes in the back of the head after the two tussled for position on a missed shot by Nick Young.
    Anthony was eventually issued a flagrant foul for his retaliation for…

  • [New York Post] Amar’e comes up big (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 04:52:52 -0500)
    In only 22 minutes last night, Amar’e Stoudemire poured in 22 points.
    That has a pretty good ring to it.
    Stoudemire was superb in the Knicks’ skid-stopping 99-93 win over the 76ers at the Garden, delivering a season-best 22 points. He did it by shooting 9-of-10 from the field…

  • [New York Post] Martin enjoys new Garden spot (Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:57:52 -0500)
    The chants started late â?? “Ken-yon Mar-tin, Ken-yon Mar-tin.â? But the newest Knick, while moved, knew he wasn’t getting in the game.
    “That’s a great feeling,â? Martin said after he sat through last night’s 99-93 victory over the 76ers, his first official game as a Knick. “I think…

  • 51 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Feb 25 2013)

    1. chrisk06811

      I don’t think we are allowed to pick up Jorts, since we got rid of him earlier in the year, if the above is actually a serious post. As for the “WTF Kenyon Martin” comment….may I suggest you say that to his face?

    2. Nick C.

      I really don’t get post #1 or why it was repeated from last thread. The Knicks, Heat, Philly and Minny have played the fewest games @50-52 before yesterday. Most if not all teams were at least 55.

    3. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, that’s what annoys me, Nick. This means that the Knicks will then have to play more games at the end of the season. Why not just have all the teams on a similar schedule? Seems weird.

    4. Frank

      Totally different topic, but all the love Amare has been getting from the press recently made me think back to when we first signed him, and the “the Knicks are back!” declaration. And when I say made me think back, it’s not with fondness necessarily. It’s more with a mindset that Donnie Walsh gets credit for the Knicks turnaround but really may have done more damage than good.

      If you look at Walsh’s tenure, it basically is defined by the chase of Lebron James. The capspace clearing was a no-brainer, and I don’t think anyone thinks he did an amazing job of that, considering how much collateral damage was done to our assets in that process (and 2 lost seasons). But the big hooks for Lebron were supposed to be the hire of Mike D’Antoni and the signing of Amare. MDA supposedly had a great relationship with Lebron from the Olympics and he was supposed to turn Lebron into Magic Johnson + Steve Nash combined. Amare was a big splash signing that was supposed to tell Lebron that he had the ideal wingman for the most unstoppable PNR ever.

      But as we all know, Lebron went elsewhere. And the reasons for it? Sure, maybe Wade+LBJ+Bosh had really planned this thing out since the 2008 Olympics, but no one knows that for sure. What I feel pretty sure about (by Lebron’s comments then and more recently) is that he really believes in the defensive side of the ball, and by hiring MDA and Amare, Walsh basically made it clear that defense was not going to be a priority. And so in fact Walsh may have basically ensured that LBJ did not come to NY.

      This is all hindsight, but we would definitely have been better off with Thibs. I’m pretty sure LBJ knew Thibs well since Boston knocked the Cavs out in 2007 (and in 2009) in Cleveland when he was the defensive coordinator for the Celts.

      Don’t know for sure naturally, but in retrospect it looks like Walsh miscalculated many times. And don’t even get me started about Jordan Hill.

    5. Brian Cronin

      Sure, maybe Wade+LBJ+Bosh had really planned this thing out since the 2008 Olympics, but no one knows that for sure.

      I think it is more likely than not that Lebron had his mind made up before he met with any of the teams in July 2009.

      But sure, I’m down with the general “Walsh in the end got too much credit for simply doing a less shitty job than Isiah Thomas.”

      Especially when both players he “miraculously” dumped (Z-Bo and Crawford) were, in turn, dumped again by the teams that acquired them, showing that they really weren’t as hard to move as people thought at the time.

    6. flossy

      Brian Cronin: I think it is more likely than not.

      But sure, I’m down with the general “Walsh in the end got too much credit for simply doing a less shitty job than Isiah Thomas.”

      Especially when both players he “miraculously” dumped (Z-Bo and Crawford) were, in turn, dumped again by the teams that acquired them, showing that they really weren’t as hard to move as people thought at the time.

      Also, both those players have gone on to play really well for other teams :(

    7. d-mar

      @7 I really don’t think LeBron’s thought process had anything to do with whether his potential coach was defensive minded or not. Thibodeau wouldn’t have gotten him to NY. I’m convinced that LeBron had his mind made up way before “The Decision” and we never had a shot, so I don’t blame that on Walsh at all.

    8. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      flossy: Also, both those players have gone on to play really well for other teams :(

      Randolph: yes.

      Crawford: no. I guess for the MLE he’s not so bad, but certainly has never played “really well” for any team ever.

    9. Frank

      Brian Cronin: But sure, I’m down with the general “Walsh in the end got too much credit for simply doing a less shitty job than Isiah Thomas.”

      You know, Isiah was obviously terrible at team building and cap management, but he really does have a pretty good draft history:

      1995- Damon Stoudamire – lots of busts after that in that draft
      1996 – Marcus Camby
      1997 – McGrady with lots of good college player busts after him

      2004 – 2nd round Trevor Ariza
      2005 – drafted Channing Frye (didn’t draft Bynum or Granger)
      2005 – basically drafted Nate Robinson
      2005 – drafted David Lee
      2006 – drafted Balkman (1 spot ahead of Rondo) and mardy Collins
      2007 – drafted Wilson Chandler 23rd

      So basically with 4 lottery picks he selected 2 great players (Camby and McGrady) and 2 solid players (Stoudamire and Frye)

      With 5 late 1st rounders he drafted 2 solid players (Nate+Chandler) 1 home run (given draft value in David Lee), and struck out with Balkman/Collins

      And actually hit on one very good second round pick in Ariza, who is still playing nearly 10 years later.

      I haven’t gone through everyone’s draft history, but that really is a pretty solid track record. Obviously the trades and signings and cap management were terrible, but he probably does deserve a job somewhere as a team’s director of college scouting.

    10. Frank

      btw how weird is it that Howard Beck is coming back to the Knicks beat? I thought Nate Taylor was doing a pretty reasonable job, and according to Beck’s tweets, both of them will be covering the team. My guess is that the Knicks went on a losing streak so the Times wanted someone more experienced at bashing the Knicks to help with more bashing =).

    11. Frank

      btw I alluded to it above, but I am loving this second unit with Tyson and Amare out there. If you look at the on/off combinations on nbawowy, the Tyson/Amare combo is just killing other teams.

      On the boards – lineups with T+A = 36.2 ORB%, 80.6 DRB%, 58% TRB – all of those would lead the league by large huge enormous margins, like in a different universe. And we’ve said this before, but Amare is synergistic with Tyson – without Amare next to him lineups with Tyson are not great (27.5/74.8/50.1).

      Interestingly, these units also are outscoring other teams handily (in small samples) – in 455 possessions lineups with T&A have PPP 1.175 for and 105.4 against. Even MORE interestingly – lineups with T&A but without Melo are even better – 1.188 PPP for and 90.6 against (only 85 possessions). And lineups with all 3 are still great on offense (1.172) but worse on D (1.088).

      Unfortunately, Amare+Melo without Tyson on the floor together is a total disaster – 1.036 for and 1.192 against. Ouch.

      Anyway – for all that we were saying earlier in the year that Tyson and Amare couldn’t play together – that seems to be totally wrong. Amare + Melo is still terrible unless Tyson is there to rescue them.

      So with the new lineups, it looks like we may have traded our horrible 2nd quarter starts for horrible ends of 1st quarters. Hopefully Camby or Sheed can come back to anchor that group.

    12. Nick C.

      Whatever happened to the Melo that would be en fuego at the start of games. I sure do miss him. With two offensive 0s starting alongside him, plus a super efficient Tyson with limited shot creation ability, and a reasonable shot creator with limited shot making abilities he would come in handy. Then again given that description …

    13. Frank

      To be clear on my last note – and this is a pointed statement against trying to evaluate a team sport individually – even though Amare is still a horrible rebounder (60th rated in ORB, and 127th in DRB) the Knicks are overwhelming other teams on the boards when he and Tyson are in the game together– and NOT overwhelming other teams when Tyson is in the game and Amare isn’t. In other words – this is not a Tyson effect. This is a Tyson + Amare effect.

    14. JK47

      Any lineup without Tyson on the floor is pretty much a terrible lineup, because there isn’t another player on the roster right now who can actually go on the floor and play the center position with any degree of defensive competency. If Camby could spin for just 15 minutes a game it would really help, but he can’t, so…

    15. Frank

      JK47:
      Any lineup without Tyson on the floor is pretty much a terrible lineup, because there isn’t another player on the roster right now who can actually go on the floor and play the center position with any degree of defensive competency.If Camby could spin for just 15 minutes a game it would really help, but he can’t, so…

      Yeah that is pretty much true. Sheed last played 12/13/12. From the beginning of the season to that date, the Knicks were basically a net zero without tyson on the floor (1.05 for and 1.05 against). With Sheed on the floor but with Tyson off, we were actually quite good (1.05 for and 1.00 against).

      Since 12/14/12 (ie. after Rasheed left), any lineup without a real center (Camby/Sheed/Tyson) has given up 1.13 PPP and scored 1.07.

      Amazing how much a 38 year old Wallace can be worth.

    16. Nick C.

      Frank:
      To be clear on my last note – and this is a pointed statement against trying to evaluate a team sport individually – even though Amare is still a horrible rebounder (60th rated in ORB, and 127th in DRB) the Knicks are overwhelming other teams on the boards when he and Tyson are in the game together– and NOT overwhelming other teams when Tyson is in the game and Amare isn’t.In other words – this is not a Tyson effect. This is a Tyson + Amare effect.

      Are Amare’s, or Tyson’s for that matter, rebounding numbers any different with and without each other. Does it appear that the difference in rebounding is the difference between Tyson and whoever would play the three while Melo and Amare and PF-C when Tyson is out. I don’t have the numbers or account so sorry if I seem like a demanding prick.

    17. Frank

      Nick C.: Are Amare’s, or Tyson’s for that matter, rebounding numbers any different with and without each other. Does it appear that the difference in rebounding is the difference between Tyson and whoever would play the three while Melo and Amare andPF-C when Tyson is out.I don’t have the numbers or account so sorry if I seem like a demanding prick.

      I had the most boring conference call ever so actually did this for myself earlier. Here goes:

      A= Amare
      T = Tyson
      #s given in ORB, DREB, TRB
      Overall for year = 25.9, 75.2, 49.6
      All lineups (-)A = 24.8, 74.7, 48.7
      All lineups (+)A = 30.5, 77.3, 53.2
      All lineups (-)T = 19.7, 74.2, 46.1
      All lineups +T = 28.6, 75.6, 51.1
      +A / + T = 36.2, 80.6, 58
      +A / (-) T = 25.5, 74.2, 48.9
      (-)A / +T = 27.5, 74.8, 50.1
      (-A)/(-)T = 16.7, 74.3, 44.6

      So in essence, it looks like Tyson by himself is better than Amare by himself. With neither of them on the court, the DReb is still ok but we can basically forget about getting an offensive rebound. With both on the floor? Death and destruction for the other team.

    18. Frank

      Brian Cronin:
      It’s amazing that the Thunder re-signed Fisher. How is he STILL in the NBA?!

      The most amazing thing is that he basically just gets to choose whatever he wants, contract or no contract. Don’t like playing for Mavs because they stink? OK, just retire, then re-up with OKC. He must have some serious dirt on lots of people.

    19. iserp

      Frank: Don’t know for sure naturally, but in retrospect it looks like Walsh miscalculated many times. And don’t even get me started about Jordan Hill.

      What?

      I know that we are in the mid of a funk and everyone around here is depressed… but your piece is total speculation on LBJ’s mindset. Not to mention your lack of respect for Walsh job.

      NY didnt have cap space for 3 max players, and i am not sure what else could have been done to get LeBron. Without a horde of lottery picks and very few valuable players, we are suddenly set for contending in a weak eastern conference with a core of Melo-Amare-Tyson till summer of 2015, when we will have lots of cap space again. I think he did a quite a good job.

    20. jon abbey

      if we are actually set for contending (and as I’ve been arguing lately, I don’t think we really are) it has little to do with Walsh. agreed with Frank that he was mediocre at best, and the 2009 draft fuckup is eternally inexcusable. if I saw him on the street, my first instinct would be to yell something like “Jordan fucking Hill? in a draft where there were a bunch of quality point guards still out there for a franchise that had been desperate for a point guard for decades? you should be ashamed.”

    21. Frank

      iserp: NY didnt have cap space for 3 max players, and i am not sure what else could have been done to get LeBron. Without a horde of lottery picks and very few valuable players, we are suddenly set for contending in a weak eastern conference with a core of Melo-Amare-Tyson till summer of 2015, when we will have lots of cap space again. I think he did a quite a good job.

      To be honest, I’ll give credit to Grunwald for what we have here now. I think he has done beyond an amazing job – he should win Exec of the Year hands down IMHO. If you look at our current team, the only two players on it that were here when Walsh left are Amare and Melo. The other 13 players were all acquired after Walsh left. Through unexpected use of our amnesty of Billups to get Tyson, to clever structuring of contracts to use as trade chips to get Camby and Felton, to picking up other teams’ trash or other UFAs and turning them into solid contributors (Novak, Lin, Prigs, Copeland), to convincing JR to come to us rather than the Clips or other teams and then take an under-market deal this year — Grunwald has been absolutely amazing.

      In fact, the amnesty of Billups and signing of Tyson should be considered one of the best GM moves of the last decade. We can disagree as much as we want about how great a player Melo is, but I think it’s without question that Tyson is the anchor of this team right now. This team goes nowhere without him – and Walsh had nothing to do with it.

      Now maybe we had no chance at Lebron – but in retrospect, his choice was between the Big 3 in Miami or a no-defense coach and sidekick in the biggest and most aggressively negative media market in the world. That’s beyond an easy choice.

    22. iserp

      Mike D’Antoni might seem a reach now… but back then??? He had a really good reputation, and he was part of the successful ‘redeem team’. His D might have been bad, but nobody expected him to do great in a team with Nash and Amare.

      If Grunwald had such a clean slate to work with was also because Walsh did only sign to long contracts the guys that were supposed to be part of our future.

    23. Frank

      btw – re: Shump, Rob Mahoney at SI wrote an article about Rubio rounding into form lately. It’s interesting to note that Rubio was about 11 months post-ACL tear before he turned the corner. Shump is only about 10 months after his late April tear. All these tears are slightly different, of course, so I wouldn’t give up on Shumpie just yet.

      He is starting to look a bit more frisky on defense.

    24. Z

      Frank:
      Totally different topic…Donnie Walsh gets credit for the Knicks turnaround but really may have done more damage than good….This is all hindsight, but we would definitely have been better off with Thibs.

      Not that I’ve been lurking latey, and living in the past at the same time, but I have to remind y’all of a few things from the recent past:

      1. At the time, the coaching choice was between D’Antoni and Mark Jackson. (Thibodeau didn’t become a head coach until days before The Decision, and if LeBron wanted to play for him he could have just as easily chosen to pair with Rose in Chi). I’m more curious how the 2008-2012 Knicks would have looked under Mark Jackson– a coach who wasn’t bound to a dogmatic system and much more conducive to a rebuilding team.

      2. re:Crawford and Randolph, Crawford was traded for a player of equal production but with a year shorter contract (Harrington), so that isn’t really anything to criticize. Randolph, obviously, went on to play all-star basketball, but he was terrible with the Knicks and was a symbol of Isiah’s failed regime, so, again, hard to fault him for that. (The alternative would have been to build around Randolph instead of the 2010 class, which wouldn’t have been a very exciting prospect for long-suffering fans).

      3. re:Walsh’s draft picks. Gallo was good. Fields was good. Hill was bad. But even if he’d chosen Blake Griffin in 2009, Dolan probably would have dealt him for Carmelo.

      4: re:”Isiah probably does deserve a job somewhere as a team’s director of college scouting.” Sure, if that team has a high tolerance for cheating, illegal workouts, scandal, and sexual harassment in the work place, why not!

    25. Frank

      iserp: Mike D’Antoni might seem a reach now… but back then??? He had a really good reputation, and he was part of the successful ‘redeem team’. His D might have been bad, but nobody expected him to do great in a team with Nash and Amare.

      maybe – but I’m friends with a bunch of Phoenix Suns fans and there were ZERO that were sad to see him go. And their complaints were exactly what our complaints would end up being – zero attention to detail especially on defense and constantly being outcoached re: in-game chess matches.

      I dunno, I remember being sort of fine with the D’Antoni when he was hired, but I was a big Thibodeau supporter. Has a Knicks pedigree under JVG, paid his dues as an assistant many places, and brought that same defensive mindset. Whatever, none if it matters now – it was just that Amare is finally starting to semi-resemble that guy from 2010 that got me thinking about that whole summer again.

    26. jon abbey

      Z: Fields was good.

      Fields was good for half a season and has been putrid ever since, and taking Rautins over Lance Stephenson there (the following pick) was inexplicable on draft day and looks way worse now.

    27. nicos

      Brian Cronin:
      Yeah, that’s what annoys me, Nick. This means that the Knicks will then have to play more games at the end of the season. Why not just have all the teams on a similar schedule? Seems weird.

      The game in London (or the the days off before and after anyway) put them two or three games in back of everyone else.

    28. Owen

      Acquiring Amare was a huge mistake. Not sure where it rates on the scale of catastrophically stupid things done by the Knicks FO in the past 13 years, but it’s up there. There was really no justification for it at the time. He was past his prime playing on uninsurable knees with the worst defensive instincts I have ever seen. And I think anyone with a brain understood it wasn’t going to get Lebron to come here.

      Honestly, it turns my stomach just to think about the last 13 years. Just thinking about the Eddy Curry trade, which basically provided the foundations for the Bulls revival, makes me want to vomit.

      Ok, yeah, GO KNICKS!!!

    29. BigBlueAL

      I mean I get Amar’e right now is way overpaid but its not like he has been a bust as a player with the Knicks. He was very good in his first season and has been pretty damn good this season. Last season was a lost cause. With the way he has looked this season I actually feel pretty encouraged for what he can do the next couple of seasons.

      But of course the injury concerns will always be the biggest problem with him.

    30. Z

      If you like having Carmelo on the Knicks, then Amar’e was a good signing. he was brought in to lure a “second superstar”, which he did.

      If the 2013-2015 Knicks have memorable success in the playoffs, it will go down as a good signing, regardless of whether Amar’e plays well (or even plays at all). But if the tandem brings nothing but flame outs and frustration, then, yeah, it’ll look pretty bad in hindsight.

    31. flossy

      Z:
      If you like having Carmelo on the Knicks, then Amar’e was a good signing. he was brought in to lure a “second superstar”, which he did.

      If the 2013-2015 Knicks have memorable success in the playoffs, it will go down as a good signing, regardless of whether Amar’e plays well (or even plays at all). But if the tandem brings nothing but flame outs and frustration, then, yeah, it’ll look pretty bad in hindsight.

      Hell, even if you don’t like Melo but do like Tyson Chandler, it’s safe to say that your favorite player wouldn’t be playing for the Knicks without Amar’e. Amar’e in a vacuum is obviously not worth $100 million, thus why he can’t be traded. But a) he was instantly the most talent player to play for the Knicks since Ewing when he signed, b) he made it okay for other elite players to view the Knicks as an desirable place to play, or at least not as an irredeemably vortex of suck. Even if all he really have gave us was one really good half a season (and no, it wasn’t prime Nash-era Phoenix good, but it was good by our standards and the team was actually fun to watch), that was enough to tip the team’s fortune’s back into “we expect to be good” and not “we make our fans want to die” and it led directly to Melo and Chandler both.

      Also, if he can stay healthy, he is still better than some other max or near max players I could mention (Rudy Gay, Hibbert, Joe Johnson, anyone?).

    32. massive

      For all the talk of the Amar’e signing as a stupid move, the man is posting a .632 TS% on a usage just north of 25%. And Woodson came out today and said Amar’e will be on a 30 minute playing limit for the rest of the season, which will keep him fresh all season the way Popp does with Tim Duncan. I’m still not disappointed with the Knicks’ commitment to Amar’e Stoudemire. He’s been at least good when he’s healthy, and it appears the Knicks are doing everything they can to keep him that way.

    33. d-mar

      Owen:
      Acquiring Amare was a huge mistake. Not sure where it rates on the scale of catastrophically stupid things done by the Knicks FO in the past 13 years, but it’s up there. There was really no justification for it at the time. He was past his prime playing on uninsurable knees with the worst defensive instincts I have ever seen. And I think anyone with a brain understood it wasn’t going to get Lebron to come here.

      Honestly, it turns my stomach just to think about the last 13 years. Just thinking about the Eddy Curry trade, which basically provided the foundations for the Bulls revival, makes me want to vomit.

      Ok, yeah, GO KNICKS!!!

      Owen, if you were GM 2 years ago, what moves would you have made? You obviously can’t stand Amare or Melo, so I’m just curious what you would have done, given that LeBron was not coming here. And how would the Knicks be in a much better position today if you had passed on Amare and Melo? Just wondering.

    34. GHenman

      The Amare signing actually made the Knicks look like favorites to get Lebron. Riley made some last minute suprise moves that no one saw coming to snatch Lebron away. Other than that, Walsh’s plan would have been brilliant.

    35. ruruland

      massive:
      For all the talk of the Amar’e signing as a stupid move, the man is posting a .632 TS% on a usage just north of 25%. And Woodson came out today and said Amar’e will be on a 30 minute playing limit for the rest of the season, which will keep him fresh all season the way Popp does with Tim Duncan. I’m still not disappointed with the Knicks’ commitment to Amar’e Stoudemire. He’s been at least good when he’s healthy, and it appears the Knicks are doing everything they can to keep him that way.

      Right, one can imagine what the Knicks record would be — even with its level of defense — had Amar’e not had surgery and the Knicks backcourt having multiple guys with career worse years to date.

      Yes, yes, we all understand Amar’e was an injury risk, and I’m sure Jowles will remind of us of the shocking revelation he made, that players generally get worse as they get older, but things could be better.

      If folks want to spend the the rest of their days, as they’ve spent most since Amar’e signed, whining about his contract and bitching about giving up too much in the Melo deal, I guess that’s their prerogative.

      The inevitable upward shift in trajectory prior to the WC swing might shut them up for awhile.

      Here we are, the Knicks in the third place in the conference, a game back of second place, and this is what we’re talking about?

    36. jon abbey

      ruruland:
      Here we are, the Knicks in the third place in the conference, a game back of second place, and this is what we’re talking about?

      15-15 in their last 30, that’s a long stretch of mediocre ball, and they’ll be lucky to play .500 over the next 12 games. that’s more than half a season, that’s not a small sample size.

    37. jon abbey

      but agreed that Amar’e is an asset currently if you ignore his salary, I’ve been saying he should play more (and start) for weeks now.

    38. ruruland

      jon abbey: 15-15 in their last 30, that’s a long stretch of mediocre ball, and they’ll be lucky to play .500 over the next 12 games. that’s more than half a season, that’s not a small sample size.

      51-26 under Woodson, started 36-11 (60+ win pace to start his tenure).

      They’ve regressed — which should have been assumed given Amar’es absence, Wallace and Camby being out, Felton’s injury — but you don’t go from championship caliber team that has the Heat and Spurs number to one that is barely good enough to make the playoffs in a matter of a couple of months.

      It’s somewhere in-between. The key is playing to their potential near the end of the season and not having to face a juggernaut in the first round.

      Moreover, I actually think this stretch of rotten shooting and porous defense has actually forced the Knicks to rediscover their defensive identity from last year. That’s coming along, and yes, Martin/Camby for 20-30 minutes a night will make a nice difference.

    39. Frank

      ruruland: It’s somewhere in-between. The key is playing to their potential near the end of the season and not having to face a juggernaut in the first round.

      Moreover, I actually think this stretch of rotten shooting and porous defense has actually forced the Knicks to rediscover their defensive identity from last year. That’s coming along, and yes, Martin/Camby for 20-30 minutes a night will make a nice difference.

      I really like this line of thinking. Hopefully this is right, and the 15-15 is an aberration. I do believe that having guys injured midseason (especially all semblance of any centers behind Chandler) has really thrown this team off.

    40. ruruland

      Frank: I really like this line of thinking. Hopefully this is right, and the 15-15 is an aberration.I do believe that having guys injured midseason (especially all semblance of any centers behind Chandler) has really thrown this team off.

      The 2010-11 Mavericks started the season 24-5.

      They then went 2-9, losing by 10 or more points six times. (A stretch where Dirk, Haywood, and Chandler all missed some time)

      They had another four game losing streak at the end of the year.

      The 2008-09 Nuggets started the season 37-17, but had a 3-8 stretch with multiple blowouts in late February and March.

      The Knicks probably aren’t a true 60 win team, but they aren’t a 45 win team, either.

      30 games is barely a third of the season. Let’s see what the Knicks do in the final third, after a great first third and a below average middle third.

      Remember, the Knicks made their run last year when the schedule was most difficult and under similar circumstances.

    41. massive

      I’m still refusing to believe there is any EC team better than a full-force Knicks team than the Heat and healthy Bulls. We just need everyone to be healthy in the Spring and we can really make a run. I do worry about the guard situation, though. Felton, Kidd, Shumpert, and Earl the Pipe need to collectively get their shit together if we want to make noise. All 4 of those guys strike me as guys who don’t fold under pressure (save for Felton’s being eaten by Nelson a few years back), so I still hold out hope for their collective resurgence.

      We need that 2nd seed. Indiana has a team of loudmouths and a Knicks-Pacers playoff series will have both buildings on fire in May. We need to have home court advantage against that defense.

    42. BigBlueAL

      This is getting interesting with the 4-6 seeds in the East. Atlanta is actually up to 4th right now. The Nets with JJ and DWill banged up and having 7 more road games than home games left have a strong chance of sliding way down. The Bulls you would think once/if Rose returns would move up in the standings but they are currently 6th. They are all separated by 1/2 a game.

      The funny part now is if the Knicks do finish 2nd their most likely 1st round opponent is of course the Celtics. Maybe the Knicks should finish 3rd, play the Hawks or Nets in 1st round and hope the Celtics beat the Pacers lol.

    43. ruruland

      I think a Pacers series goes 6-7. Hawks might be good enough to go 6, Celtics max 6, Nets, to me, go six, but they scare me the least.

      I don’t see Miami having it easy, either. I think this years playoffs might the best since the early ’90s.

    44. jon abbey

      the Nets are hurting right now, but if they are ever all healthy, I hate the way they match up with us, especially the guards.

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