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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Feb 18 2013)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Carmelo could have won MVP (Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:49:52 EDT)
    HOUSTON — In the first quarter, Carmelo Anthony looked like the most versatile player on the floor.
    Then down the stretch, he was the East’s best offensive weapon.
    Combining his strong start and finish with his overall playmaking, Anthony (26 points, 12 rebounds — both team-highs) was this close to winning his first All-Star Game MVP on Sunday night at the Toyota Center.
    Instead, the West slipped past the East at the end and won the 62nd annual All-Star Game for the third straight year, 143-138.

  • [New York Post] Melo nets East-high 26, but unable to grab victory (Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:15:16 -0500)
    HOUSTON â?? Any NBA All-Star Game is first and foremost a celebration of offense, creativity and moves found in the “betcha can’t top thisâ? category.
    The 62d annual event last night was no exception.
    So the Knicks Carmelo Anthony felt right at home.
    “For the most part, everybody played their…

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks star touts writing of cop killer Dorner (Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:05:58 GMT)
    Knicks star Amar’e Stoudemire is touting the crazed manifesto of ex-cop-turned-cop-killer Christopher Dorner as “a must read.â? The hoopster took to Twitter Sunday to reveal his interest was piqued by the 20-page rant Dorner left on his Facebook page, in which he declared war on the LAPD.

  • [New York Times] The All-Star Game Is Made-To-order for Clippers’ Paul (Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:24:39 GMT)
    For a point guard like Chris Paul, the NBA All-Star game is made to order.

  • [New York Times] Durant Leads West Over East in All-Star Game (Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:42:40 GMT)
    Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin provided a potent mix of outside shooting and inside dominance to lift the Western Conference to a 143-138 victory over the Eastern Conference in the NBA All-Star game on Sunday.

  • [New York Times] West Beats East 143-138 in NBA All-Star Game (Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:27:59 GMT)
    The NBA’s career scoring leader in the All-Star game, Kobe Bryant has never been just about offense.

  • [New York Times] West 143, East 138: On Offensive Night, Rare Defense Helps Seal the Game (Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:04:42 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant blocked a jumper by LeBron James to help seal a victory for the West in the N.B.A. All-Star Game in Houston.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Chandler Savoring His First All-Star Game (Mon, 18 Feb 2013 05:34:57 GMT)
    The Knicks’ Tyson Chandler, already a former N.B.A. champion and Olympic gold medalist, savors adding an All-Star appearance to his résumé.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: LeBron James Stays Most Valuable of Players in Speaking Up at Players Union Meeting (Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:38:44 GMT)
    When LeBron James “practically cross-examinedâ? lawyers during Saturday’s meeting to restore the players’ union, the room fell silent. Players respect James not just for his talent, but his business savvy and ability to connect.

  • [New York Times] Current Stars Celebrate Jordan at 50 (Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:33:46 GMT)
    Michael Jordan turned 50 on Sunday, giving this year’s All-Stars a chance to reflect on his illustrious career and how much he still means to the sport.

  • 45 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Feb 18 2013)

    1. Frank O.

      Am I the only one who couldn’t care less about all star weekend?
      Or whether Amare thinks some mass murderers manifesto is worth reading?

    2. Shad0wF0x

      So is Kenyon Martin

      a) Seriously out of shape
      b) Cancer to a team

      or something? This weekend showed me that, aside from nerves, James White novelty of dunking is gone and he has very suspect handle. The amount of times he lost the ball was higher than anyone else.

    3. Brian Cronin

      Whether B is true or not, that sure does seem to be the general view of NBA GMs as a whole. If Sheed is officially ruled out for the rest of the season, I guess the Knicks would consider Martin, but that seems to be the only way they’d be interested.

    4. Juany8

      Am I the only one kind of annoyed by the fact that Melo led the East in minutes played? Lebron and Wade also played a lot so I don’t think it was Spoelstra being sneaky, but considering his recent minor injury, it seems silly for him to be gunning for all star MVP.

    5. danvt

      Knicks should start Amar’e and JR. If you want a faux starter let it be Kidd and then get JR off the bench a little sooner than the rest of the 2nd unit. Second unit of JR or Kidd, Shump, Novak, Sheed?, Camby? We won’t need to be ten deep really anyway, so, maybe one of Sheed / Camby.

      If we want to shake the malaise we need to get our best players on the floor and stop getting in a hole in the first quarter. You have to beat bad teams like the Raptors in the first half and in the early part of the 3rd quarter. The only way they ever win is if you give them hope. Stop saving the best for last. We need some TKO’s.

    6. cgreene

      I agree w danvt. Enough of the gimmiky starting lineups. Enough trying to play small. Plus if the end game is beating the Heat (or the Bulls for that matter or even Indiana in Rd 2 and Rd 3) then small ball is actually the wrong strategy. You have Amare. He’s playing better than we thought. He and Melo on the floor at the same time w Felton and Chandler puts a lot of pressure on defenses. Stop trying to be so cute with the lineups and have your 2nd team be so good. Play it straight. I’d have whoever is shooting better from 3 be the 5th starter either Shump or Kidd (man, wouldnt JJ Reddick be nice in that 2 spot??)

    7. danvt

      cgreene: (man, wouldnt JJ Reddick be nice in that 2 spot??)

      Key to the 2nd half of the season could hinge on the right deal. There’s something vaguely psychotic about Reddick though. Is he worth Shump? What about Millsap? Garnett is on the block, right? OK, yes there were some home grown VT products used today, already…. but the grain of sanity in it isn’t that I want Shump gone. I don’t. Not for Jared Dudley, but if you could really win a trade. An area of need plus a first round pick or a veteran with amazing intangibles, or an all star caliber player + some salary.

      Just saying that I’m tired of finishing between 2nd and 30th and all options should be on the table for this June

    8. d-mar

      What’s killing our starting lineup right now is Kidd can’t hit a shot from anywhere and Shump looks really rusty and out of sync offensively. So you’re down to Felton and Melo having to do all the scoring for the first unit, with the occasional Tyson smash. If Sheed comes back soon, I’d put him into the starting lineup and move Shump to the bench and put Melo back at the 3. (the advantage of Melo being guarded by 4’s is being offset by the pounding he’s taking guarding 4’s, and I think we have to start thinking about keeping him fresh) Sheed could spread the floor and give us solid low post D and rebounding. Then the 2nd unit could be Amare, Kidd, Shump, JR and Novak with Prigs sprinkled in. It’s a small unit, granted, but most teams aren’t throwing a whole lot of big men at you with their 2nd teams anyway.

    9. cgreene

      d-mar:
      What’s killing our starting lineup right now is Kidd can’t hit a shot from anywhere and Shump looks really rusty and out of sync offensively. So you’re down to Felton and Melo having to do all the scoring for the first unit, with the occasional Tyson smash. If Sheed comes back soon, I’d put him into the starting lineup and move Shump to the bench and put Melo back at the 3. (the advantage of Melo being guarded by 4?s is being offset by the pounding he’s taking guarding 4?s, and I think we have to start thinking about keeping him fresh) Sheed could spread the floor and give us solid low post D and rebounding. Then the 2nd unit could be Amare, Kidd, Shump, JR and Novak with Prigs sprinkled in. It’s a small unit, granted, but most teams aren’t throwing a whole lot of big men at you with their 2nd teams anyway.

      I agree that Kidd and Shump arent playing well. But we essentially have 2 players playing out of position on D to start (Shump and Melo). If we are going to play shitty D to start games we might as well have a powerhouse O lineup on the floor. Start Amare. That also shores about rebounding. No chance Wallace starts. He’s a spot minutes player and that is another starting lineup gimmik.

      danvt, I agree. Everything on the table. I don’t advocate trading Shump for an average player. I do advocate trading anyone to get better. JJ is a perfect fit.

    10. danvt

      d-mar: If Sheed comes back soon, I’d put him into the starting lineup

      It’s crazy, but I actually wouldn’t be surprised if this happens. A 38 year old, coming off of a two year retirement, and an injury which has kept him out for a quarter of a season, getting the start over a multiple all star, foundational, 100 million dollar player. I’m not exactly criticizing it, just commenting on how the unorthodox has become orthodox.

      If I had my druthers (and I just had a little more druthers, btw) I’d like to see some vintage play from Sheed, Camby and Kidd together. Then Amar’e, Melo and Tyson could go bonzai on defense and potentially pick up a foul or two without the game getting out of hand.

    11. flossy

      d-mar:
      What’s killing our starting lineup right now is Kidd can’t hit a shot from anywhere and Shump looks really rusty and out of sync offensively. So you’re down to Felton and Melo having to do all the scoring for the first unit, with the occasional Tyson smash. If Sheed comes back soon, I’d put him into the starting lineup and move Shump to the bench and put Melo back at the 3. (the advantage of Melo being guarded by 4?s is being offset by the pounding he’s taking guarding 4?s, and I think we have to start thinking about keeping him fresh) Sheed could spread the floor and give us solid low post D and rebounding. Then the 2nd unit could be Amare, Kidd, Shump, JR and Novak with Prigs sprinkled in. It’s a small unit, granted, but most teams aren’t throwing a whole lot of big men at you with their 2nd teams anyway.

      No way. If either Sheed and Camby can play, we desperately need them to give Tyson a blow–not share the court with him.

    12. d-mar

      flossy: No way.If either Sheed and Camby can play, we desperately need them to give Tyson a blow–not share the court with him.

      Are we really getting killed on the boards and by low post players when Tyson is out and the 2nd unit is in? Hasn’t seemed that way. And I don’t think you’ll see a big change in Tyson’s minutes if Sheed or Camby come back. I just like the idea of Sheed as another option on offense with the 1st unit, right now we struggle to score early in games and Shump and Kidd are giving us almost nothing on offense.

    13. jon abbey

      JR should still come off the bench where he’s more comfortable but it’s time for Amar’e to start and play bigger minutes. the problem then is there’s no big man off the bench, except maybe Kurt Thomas, which is why we should also add someone to the roster who can play 10-15 minutes there, which has been overdue for months now.

    14. ess-dog

      jon abbey:
      JR should still come off the bench where he’s more comfortable but it’s time for Amar’e to start and play bigger minutes. the problem then is there’s no big man off the bench, except maybe Kurt Thomas, which is why we should also add someone to the roster who can play 10-15 minutes there, which has been overdue for months now.

      Agreed. If they want to wait on Sheed, use Cope as a scoring 4 on the 2nd unit, although I don’t agree that JR has to come off the bench. The guy wants to start. It could give his play a boost. Felton/JR/Melo/Amare/Tyson gives you a pretty well rounded line up – pretty good perimeter D, a rim defender, 2 go-to scorers, and 2 good three pt shooters. The post D isn’t great, and Cope wouldn’t help that. There has to be a good, cheap post defender out there to be had.

      Woodson’s overthinking things with the wacky lineups. Shump shouldn’t play the 3 that much. Thomas/Cope shouldn’t start.

    15. TheRant

      Tried to watch the NBA All Star Game.

      Made it to the intros, when they announced the Western frontcourt, with Tim Duncan as a sub and Dwight Howard starting. Turned it off.

    16. cgreene

      No way Copeland should start or even play really. There is not a problem w a big man off the bench if either TC or Amare is in the game at all times. You start them both and bring JR in for one of them as 6th man and go small for the end of the 1st and beginning of 2nd.

      Also weren’t we told explicitly that Rasheed will be back after ASB? If neither he nor Camby are practicing and expected back imminently then you have to make a move to shore up back up center. Can’t wait and only have Rasheed and Camby only ready for playoffs. The team will lose ground, be tired and limp in.

    17. jon abbey

      maybe the most important thing is that Novak absolutely can’t play PF anymore, unless the other team is really going super small.

    18. cgreene

      I don’t see Novak as a rotation player. He needs to play in lineups with both Melo and Chandler. In fact I may have just talked myself into starting him at the 3. I just went from out of the rotation to starting Novak in one sentence.

    19. flossy

      jon abbey:
      maybe the most important thing is that Novak absolutely can’t play PF anymore, unless the other team is really going super small.

      Amar’e at C and any of Melo, Novak, Copeland at PF is one of the absolute worst defensive frontcourts in the league. Combine a center who is generally terrible at defending in space and particularly bad at PnR plays with players who range from below average-ish (Melo as PF) to horrible (Novak and Cope) at interior rotation, defending the rim and rebounding? Not a good look, especially in combination with guards who lose their man constantly both by accident and on purpose by gambling for steals and doubling randomly.

      If Sheed and Camby aren’t coming back we desperately need another warm body in the front court, either a defensive player at PF or at a legit center who can somewhat shoot.

    20. ruruland

      The Knicks defense against Toronto was proof enough they can be a really good defensive team, as they were last year.

      Sure, the Amar’e and Novak lineups will still get killed,but those are together 5 mins. max.

      When Melo wants play high level defense, meaning fighting through screens, defending all manner of players 1-1, and making the early help rotation ( which is how non rim protectors can help), then I really don’t think you have to worry too much about Amare/5 Melo/4 lineups.

      The problem is that so far, whether it’s energy conservation, scoring burden or whatever, we simply haven’t seen very much of it from Melo.

      I have a feeling that, similar to the ends of the last two seasons where he really picked it up on defense, and what’s done for long stretches before, given the importance of this season, he’s been waiting for the all-star break.

      I think it’s overwhelmingly obvious that when Melo has decided to pick up his defensive energy, everyone including Tyson, follows suit.

      His energy is the most important factor in the teams defensive play.

    21. Owen

      Novak has done what he is supposed to do. Score efficiently and play no defense at all. +/- is not a great measure, but we aren’t getting killed with him out there so far. I think he is a rotation player still. But I think he plays better at the 3, maybe with Amare and Sheed…..

    22. thenoblefacehumper

      What I worry about is the fact that the Knicks lost that Toronto game. That would seem to indicate that when they play great defense they’re incapable of being the offensive juggernaut we’d like to see. Melo played a great defensive game and an equally terrible offensive game. This is obviously an extremely small sample size (I’m only referencing one game) so if there’s evidence to the contrary I’d love to be proven wrong.

      ruruland:
      The Knicks defense against Toronto was proof enough they can be a really good defensive team, as they were last year.

      Sure, the Amar’e and Novak lineups will still get killed,but those are together 5 mins. max.

      When Melo wants play high level defense, meaning fighting through screens, defending all manner of players 1-1, and making the early help rotation ( which is how non rim protectors can help), then I really don’t think you have to worry too much about Amare/5 Melo/4 lineups.

      The problem is that so far, whether it’s energy conservation, scoring burden or whatever, we simply haven’t seen very much of it from Melo.

      I have a feeling that, similar to the ends of the last two seasons where he really picked it up on defense, and what’s done for long stretches before, given the importance of this season, he’s been waiting for the all-star break.

      I think it’s overwhelmingly obvious that when Melo has decided to pick up his defensive energy, everyone including Tyson, follows suit.

      His energy is the most important factor in the teams defensive play.

    23. jon abbey

      Owen:
      Novak has done what he is supposed to do. Score efficiently and play no defense at all. +/- is not a great measure, but we aren’t getting killed with him out there so far.I think he is a rotation player still. But I think he plays better at the 3, maybe with Amare and Sheed…..

      strongly disagree, if he is going to play, they need to run plays for him, which they virtually never do. otherwise there are many games where he is incapable of getting open himself and thus his minutes are a total waste (nothing on offense, bad on defense). efficiency in this case is very deceptive, as it is all too often.

    24. nicos

      jon abbey: strongly disagree, if he is going to play, they need to run plays for him, which they virtually never do. otherwise there are many games where he is incapable of getting open himself and thus his minutes are a total waste (nothing on offense, bad on defense). efficiency in this case is very deceptive, as it is all too often.

      The problem is you really can’t run plays for him. He’s so slow that even staggered screens rarely get him open- you can switch anyone on him with impunity because he can’t put the ball on the floor and can’t make anything other than the simplest pass so it’s easy to switch back before any mismatches hurt you. He does have some value in the half-court in that he creates space for others even when he’s not shooting the ball and he’s an excellent 3 point shooter in transition so he can pay big dividends when the Knicks are turning people over. He does really well in semi-transition against crappy, undisciplined teams who fail to pick him up but that’s not going to be happening in the playoffs so I’m fine with benching him or severely limiting his minutes once the playoffs roll around.

    25. BigBlueAL

      Watching the Michael Jordan NBA TV interview and apparently he is still pissed that Van Gundy called him a con man lol.

    26. Brian Cronin

      I don’t think there’s a person alive who fosters grudges more than Michael Jordan. Here’s the thing, though, I wish a single interviewer would actually challenge Jordan just a little bit by pursuing Van Gundy’s point, that Jordan befriended the young players who idolized him when they were in high school and college so that when they were playing together, they would not give their all against him. That’s so not a damaging claim, and yet Jordan took it as a deep, personal insult.

    27. yellowboy90

      I’m watching these Barley Highlights and I forgot how explosive he was. Not only explosive but fast too. He was a physical anomaly. How can someone that big move so fast. Although more fit and muscular he was like basketball version of Jerome Bettis.

      Also, hearing the quotes from Jordan about Lebron and Kobe I didn’t think was as big of a diss like the media made it out to be.

    28. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin:
      I don’t think there’s a person alive who fosters grudges more than Michael Jordan. Here’s the thing, though, I wish a single interviewer would actually challenge Jordan just a little bit by pursuing Van Gundy’s point, that Jordan befriended the young players who idolized him when they were in high school and college so that when they were playing together, they would not give their all against him. That’s so not a damaging claim, and yet Jordan took it as a deep, personal insult.

      Yup, even tonight he mentioned that Oak and Ewing were his friends and they would eat dinner after a game but during the game they tried to kill him. JVG wasnt referring to guys like Ewing and Oak though, as you mentioned he was mainly talking about guys entering the league who idolized MJ. Thankfully Oak, Ewing, Mase, Starks etc didnt idolize him so it made for competitive games lol.

    29. BigBlueAL

      Alex Kennedy just tweeted this: The Magic and Knicks have discussed a J.J. Redick for Iman Shumpert trade. Other players (and maybe a third team) would have to be involved.

      For the Shump fans here who hated the idea of trading him for Dudley, is Redick worth trading Shump for??

    30. massive

      I love JJ Redick, but I’m admittedly delusional when it comes to Iman Shumpert. I think he can become a Paul George level player, and I’d rather have that value to build a future with. I know it’s impossible, but we would have to pull back Paul Millsap and JJ Redick in a trade in order for me to feel okay with losing Shumpert. In other words, I cannot imagine a realistic situation with my being happy that we gave up Shump. I’d much rather roll with the homegrown kid than a paid mercenary.

      Felton for Nelson is a different story though lol

    31. Brian Cronin

      Come on, massive, Paul George? No way Shump becomes Paul George. Shump could theoretically become Latrell Sprewell, but he’s never becoming Paul George.

      That said, Latrell Sprewell was a very good player, so yeah, I can definitely see not wanting to part with Shump for a one-dimensional guy like Reddick, even if holy shit, would Reddick fit the Knicks like a glove. So me? I’d do the trade.

      However, as great of a fit as Reddick would be with the Knicks, can you imagine how irate JR Smith would be? “Oh hey, JR, we just traded for a better version of you who is also a free agent the same time you are.”

    32. ruruland

      Reddick is a borderline all-star caliber player. Probably the best off-ball movement player in the NBA, vastly underrated defensively, elite motor.

      Guy will still be really good for awhile. Shumps upside is a limitless higher overall, but Reddick is giving Orlando a really efficient 17/5 per 36 with strong defense.

      I’d think Shump would max out at about 20-5 with not quite as efficient shooting but even better defense.

      Love Shump, but this is a no-brainer.

      The Pistons built a championship caliber offense around Rip Hamilton, a guy who had the quickness to guard pgs (when Chancey guarded twos), similar to what Reddick can do. Reddick is better offensively than Rip ever was.

    33. Brian Cronin

      It’s funny, ruru, you spell it with two D’s, too. I have spelled it like that the entire time he’s been in the NBA. It was only just this second when he didn’t show up on a basketball reference search that I realized that it is just one D. Weird.

    34. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      Come on, massive, Paul George? No way Shump becomes Paul George. Shump could theoretically become Latrell Sprewell, but he’s never becoming Paul George.

      That said, Latrell Sprewell was a very good player, so yeah, I can definitely see not wanting to part with Shump for a one-dimensional guy like Reddick, even if holy shit, would Reddick fit the Knicks like a glove. So me? I’d do the trade.

      However, as great of a fit as Reddick would be with the Knicks, can you imagine how irate JR Smith would be? “Oh hey, JR, we just traded for a better version of you who is also a free agent the same time you are.”

      I doubt JR gets better than the Bird Rights $6 million.

      But, I don’t think shooting in general can ever be redundant.

      Also, Redick is a really underrated defender. He’d clearly be the best perimeter defender on the roster, far and away the best motor and he’s not going to switch.

    35. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      It’s funny, ruru, you spell it with two D’s, too. I have spelled it like that the entire time he’s been in the NBA. It was only just this second when he didn’t show up on a basketball reference search that I realized that it is just one D. Weird.

      I was just going to post a correction haha. I know I’ve written about him on this board before but have spelled both ways. Seems like the one d is such an irregular spelling.

    36. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, sorry, ruru, I edited my post because it wasn’t clear that I do agree that I, personally, would definitely do the trade.

      As for JR, yeah, he’s likely not going to make more than what the Knicks would offer, but Redick himself would also be looking for a contract like that, right? So would the Knicks really re-sign both of them?

    37. Brian Cronin

      I was just going to post a correction haha. I know I’ve written about him on this board before but have spelled both ways. Seems like the one d is such an irregular spelling.

      Especially since Josh Reddick on the Red Sox/Oakland A’s and Lance Reddick of the Wire and Fringe fame both spell it with two D’s.

    38. ruruland

      Idk, where is Ephus?

      That certainly changes things a bit.

      Redick could demand a lot I would imagine. It’s not like puts up his number as a spot-up shooter. So much more value with a guy like that because he strains the defense.

    39. BigBlueAL

      Im still assuming the Knicks wont make a trade but at least it looks like it will be interesting to follow/read rumors until the deadline is over on Thurs.

    40. Owen

      “strongly disagree, if he is going to play, they need to run plays for him, which they virtually never do. otherwise there are many games where he is incapable of getting open himself and thus his minutes are a total waste (nothing on offense, bad on defense). efficiency in this case is very deceptive, as it is all too often.”

      Well, they should run plays for him then. Novak still seems to me to be the guy he was last year. The personnel around him has changed but he is still doing his thing, which is be about an average NBA player. I think he is still a perfectly serviceable rotation piece who should be featured more in the second unit. But it looks like Woodson is going in the other direction.

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