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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Feb 11 2013)

  • [New York Post] Knicks no match for Clippers despite Anthony’s 42 points (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 05:56:35 -0500)
    Exposed.
    For the first time all season, the Knicks looked outclassed and outmanned.
    Carmelo Anthony finished with 42 points, but the super-deep Clippers led by point guard Chris Paul repelled the Knicks’ second-half comeback. The Clippers posted an emphatic 102-88 Garden-matinee thumping in their season’s first meeting with the…

  • [New York Post] Flaws exposed, time to cover up (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:36:48 -0500)
    At last, the joint was hopping. At last, the Knicks looked ready to make a decisive run, to kick the Clippers in the kneecaps, to cash in a satisfying victory. Raymond Felton dished the ball to Amar’e Stoudemire, and Stoudemire flushed it as he was being fouled by Ryan…

  • [New York Post] Hill’s late D on Anthony turns tide (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:47:38 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony was having one of those days for the Knicks: 20 points in the first half, 18 in the third quarter. Caron Butler, the Clippers small forward who had much of the early defensive responsibility against Anthony, was scratched at halftime with a back issue. Matt Barnes got roasted…

  • [New York Post] Melo: Don’t put Iman on block (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:31:44 -0500)
    A disturbed Carmelo Anthony weighed in emphatically on rumors the Knicks were listening to offers for slumping swingman Iman Shumpert, who has struggled in his return from ACL surgery.
    “He shouldn’t be worrying about that,” Anthony said. “The Knicks shouldn’t even be in trade talks right now.”
    The…

  • [New York Post] CP3 scores & dishes at healthy Clip (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:07:40 -0500)
    This gets categorized along with water is wet, pain hurts, stealing is not nice: The Clippers are a better team with Chris Paul.
    Paul returned Friday from a nine-game absence due to a knee injury during which the Clips went 3-6. If ever there were an argument for Paul’s…

  • [New York Times] Celtics on 7-Game Roll _ Even Without Rondo (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:18:34 GMT)
    Things appeared pretty grim for the Boston Celtics just a few weeks ago.

  • [New York Times] Spurs 111, Nets 86: Nets Fade in Second Half and Fall to Spurs by 25 (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 05:33:27 GMT)
    The Nets have had an extended honeymoon in this maiden season in Brooklyn, but they were booed Sunday night as the Spurs pulled away for a 25-point victory.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Magic Snap Skid at 12 With Win Over Blazers (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 05:21:11 GMT)
    The Magic, behind J.J. Redick, shot 50 percent from the field in earning their first win since Jan. 16.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Shumpert, Hearing Trade Rumors, Tries to Shrug Them Off (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 05:09:56 GMT)
    Iman Shumpert, who has played 12 games after recovering from knee surgery, has been struggling to find his rhythm on the court and his place with the Knicks.

  • [New York Times] Kings Topple Rockets 117-111 (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 05:04:41 GMT)
    Isaiah Thomas scored 17 of his 23 points in the fourth quarter and John Salmons also had 23 points to help rally the Sacramento Kings to a 117-111 victory over the Houston Rockets on Sunday.

  • [New York Times] Sefolosha Helps Thunder Rout Phoenix Again 97-69 (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:54:49 GMT)
    Thabo Sefolosha made a career-high 5 of 7 3-pointers and the Oklahoma City Thunder routed the Phoenix Suns for the second game in a row 97-69 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Outlast Nuggets in 3 OTs With 118-114 Win (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:48:43 GMT)
    The Boston Celtics relied on their veterans to help them win the matchup of the NBA’s two hottest teams.

  • [New York Times] Parker, Spurs Dominate 2nd Half in Rout of Nets (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:37:14 GMT)
    Tony Parker had 29 points and 11 assists in another brilliant performance without his two sidekicks, and the San Antonio Spurs dominated the second half to beat the Brooklyn Nets 111-86 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Prince Scores 18 as Grizzlies Beat Wolves 105-88 (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:55:05 GMT)
    Tayshaun Prince scored 18 points, hitting all eight of his shots from the field, and the Memphis Grizzlies pulled away in the second quarter before coasting to a 105-88 victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday.

  • [New York Times] Heat 107, Lakers 97: Heat’s James and Wade Too Much for Lakers (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:51:02 GMT)
    The Heat’s LeBron James scored 32 points and Dwyane Wade had 30 to silence the Lakers, who had eight turnovers in the fourth quarter.

  • [New York Times] Magic Beat Blazers 110-104 to End 12-Game Skid (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:48:45 GMT)
    J.J. Redick scored 22 points, Nikola Vucevic added 17 points and 19 rebounds, and the Orlando Magic snapped a 12-game losing streak with a 110-104 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Raptors Upend Hornets 102-89 (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:45:35 GMT)
    John Lucas scored 10 of his 19 points in the fourth quarter to match his season high, Rudy Gay had 20 points and the Toronto Raptors beat the New Orleans Hornets 102-89 on Sunday.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing: Fan Violence at Greek Cup Basketball Final (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:36:29 GMT)
    Fans stormed the court and tore seats apart at the Greek Cup basketball final. Police used stun grenades. The game was suspended for an hour before Panathinaikos beat Olympiakos.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: When Carmelo Anthony’s Output Shrinks, So Does Knicks’ Margin for Error (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:11:23 GMT)
    When the Clippers started sending multiple defenders on Carmelo Anthony, the Knicks did not have a counter. Anthony attempted only two shots in the fourth quarter Sunday. The identity of Anthony’s backup remains an open question.

  • [New York Times] James Scores 32 More, Heat Top Lakers 107-97 (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:00:52 GMT)
    LeBron James ran a few steps behind the play, knowing exactly what was coming. The lob from Norris Cole arrived, and the NBA’s reigning MVP rose for a catch and dunk.

  • [New York Times] Clippers 102, Knicks 88: Paul Scores 25 and Leads Clippers Past Knicks (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 00:15:48 GMT)
    Chris Paul scored 25 points in his second game back from injury, reserve Jamal Crawford had 27 and the Los Angeles Clippers beat the Knicks on Sunday.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo scores 42 but Knicks get Clipped by Paul & Co. (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 07:25:47 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony scored a game-high 42 points Sunday, but the Knicks were outclassed by Chris Paul and the Clippers, losing 102-88. Anthony didn’t score in the fourth until there was less than five minutes to play. Raymond Felton added 20 and was the only other Knick in double figures.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Quiet Rex shows up at Garden (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 06:48:55 GMT)
    Rex Ryan, the embattled Jets coach who is coming off his first losing season and endured an overhaul of his coaching staff, was among the celebrities at the Garden for the Knicks’ 102-88 loss to the Clippers Sunday.

  • [New York Daily News] Smith: Knicks need help for Melo, improvements on D (Mon, 11 Feb 2013 05:01:20 GMT)
    The Knicks have laid waste to the middling teams on their schedule, but they have struggled against the better ones. It is a troubling trend that will plague them down the line.

  • 41 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Feb 11 2013)

    1. ess-dog

      I was at that Nets/Spurs game last night. Lopez/Johnson looked tremendous in the 1st half, and then the Spurs (particularly Parker) just turned it on in the 2nd half and it wasn’t even close by the end.
      The Spurs’ approach to the game is so refined, it’s hard to see a team regularly beating them until they get 3-4 years together.
      OKC and the Clippers are younger and also very talented, so it should be an interesting fight for the WCF spot.
      Meanwhile, Josh Smith to the Nets would be a nice move for them, but I’m not sure I see it happening.
      As for the Knicks, I think Prig needs to play more – J Kidd can’t keep doing heavy minutes. Working Shump back into rhythm has been hard, but he’ll get there. I’d also prefer we scrap the small-ball stuff. Keep Shump as sg, Melo at sf, Amare at pf, although the last one’s tough w/o a back up center. I would like to see us grab a young big that can give Tyson a rest – it’s hard to rely on Sheed/Camby. Theoretically, the 3pt shooting should improve. I think if Kidd played less, he’d shoot better. JR should shoot better. Novak, I have no idea what’s going on with him now. Cope is just too much of a liability. Reddick would be a great bench shooter, but we can’t afford that.

    2. Frank O.

      I read the end of the game thread from the other night.
      On Chandler, I think after a grinding, truncated season, followed by the Olympics, showing signs of severe fatigue. He’s also having to play a lot this season. Hard on a big man.
      I think JR has been a bit of a disaster these past few weeks. I also think it’s silly to consider trading Shump.
      Kidd got burned down, playing 40 minute games.
      Bottom line, this team is going to need to coast a bit to get their legs back and get everyone playing together and comfortable.
      I remember the Olajuwan teams that would coast for big parts of the season and then just dominate in the playoffs.
      I think right now this ole team has a bit of the coast going on.

      They need to be patient with Shump. They need to give Camby and Wallace time to feel better. They need to make sure Amare is ready and comfortable.
      We all knew this team was older. This should come as no surprise that they are not playing all out every game. What is surprising is that they lead the Atlantic and are second overall in the East.

    3. flossy

      Frank O.:
      I read the end of the game thread from the other night.
      On Chandler, I think after a grinding, truncated season, followed by the Olympics, showing signs of severe fatigue. He’s also having to play a lot this season. Hard on a big man.
      I think JR has been a bit of a disaster these past few weeks. I also think it’s silly to consider trading Shump.
      Kidd got burned down, playing 40 minute games.
      Bottom line, this team is going to need to coast a bit to get their legs back and get everyone playing together and comfortable.
      I remember the Olajuwan teams that would coast for big parts of the season and then just dominate in the playoffs.
      I think right now this ole team has a bit of the coast going on.

      They need to be patient with Shump. They need to give Camby and Wallace time to feel better. They need to make sure Amare is ready and comfortable.
      We all knew this team was older. This should come as no surprise that they are not playing all out every game. What is surprising is that they lead the Atlantic and are second overall in the East.

      Is it really coasting when Carmelo is constantly forced to play 40+ minutes to redeem the whole team’s mediocre defensive efforts? Seems counterproductive to phone it in just enough to lose while still demanding energy from your core players.

      If Chandler, Kidd, etc. really need a break, I’d much rather Woodson go the Popovich route, say everyone caught the “flu,” and let the scrubs (and Shump, who clearly needs more reps) gets some run against Toronto.

    4. KnickfaninNJ

      I don’t know about giving Prigioni more minutes. Earlier in the season he looked competent most of the time and very good some other times. But lately he has been almost uniformly unimpressive. But the whole second team except Amare has looked less good too, so it may not be him.

    5. Frank O.

      flossy: Is it really coasting when Carmelo is constantly forced to play 40+ minutes to redeem the whole team’s mediocre defensive efforts?Seems counterproductive to phone it in just enough to lose while still demanding energy from your core players.

      If Chandler, Kidd, etc. really need a break, I’d much rather Woodson go the Popovich route, say everyone caught the “flu,” and let the scrubs (and Shump, who clearly needs more reps) gets some run against Toronto.

      I’m not sure the coasting is a matter of policy.
      Clearly Chandler had to be told to be more aggressive. We also have seen Kidd getting his minutes curtailed. Shump and Amare on limited playing time. With Camby and Wallace out, and Novak and Brewer unreliable of late, that leaves a pretty thin bench.
      I think Citizen Cope needs more minutes, but the fact that he is a rook probably hurts him with Woodson, who prefers the vets.
      Also, Kurt Thomas has been almost unplayable, he’s been so slow.
      This all translates into Chandler and Melo playing a lot.

    6. d-mar

      Problem with coasting is our schedule is brutal in March. We could find ourselves in a dogfight for the Atlantic and worst case dropping to 4 or 5, which would be a disaster considering who would be waiting in the next round.

      There are no good answers for reducing minutes, getting Sheed or Camby (or both) back would be a big help.

    7. Frank

      d-mar:
      Problem with coasting is our schedule is brutal in March. We could find ourselves in a dogfight for the Atlantic and worst case dropping to 4 or 5, which would be a disaster considering who would be waiting in the next round.

      There are no good answers for reducing minutes, getting Sheed or Camby (or both) back would be a big help.

      we desperately need Camby or Sheed back to give Tyson some rest (and allow him to play all-out in the minutes he does play), and we also desperately need someone to show he can be the primary scorer when Melo is off the floor. Right now the Knicks can’t score at an acceptable rate unless Melo is on the floor (since Jan 1, they score 1.128 PPP with him on the floor, 1.018 PPP with him off the floor). And that number (~1.01 PPP) stays robust no matter whether Chandler/Amare/JR are on the floor or not – meaning that Melo is really the difference. (+Felton (-) Melo there are only 20 possessions so difficult to say re: Raymond).

      btw, what happened to Amare running the PNR? He has 41 total PNR possessions for the year, and lately it’s been about 1 per game. Wasn’t that the big plan with Prigs? I understand his great play in the post and all, but PNR should still be his bread and butter on that 2nd unit.

      The other thing – how horrible is Amare’s post game when he posts on the R block? I’d love to see his shooting percentage (and turnover rate) from there as opposed to the left block.

    8. Frank O.

      Frank: we desperately need Camby or Sheed back to give Tyson some rest (and allow him to play all-out in the minutes he does play), and we also desperately need someone to show he can be the primary scorer when Melo is off the floor. Right now the Knicks can’t score at an acceptable rate unless Melo is on the floor (since Jan 1, they score 1.128 PPP with him on the floor, 1.018 PPP with him off the floor).And that number (~1.01 PPP) stays robust no matter whether Chandler/Amare/JR are on the floor or not – meaning that Melo is really the difference.(+Felton (-) Melo there are only 20 possessions so difficult to say re: Raymond).

      btw, what happened to Amare running the PNR?He has 41 total PNR possessions for the year, and lately it’s been about 1 per game. Wasn’t that the big plan with Prigs? I understand his great play in the post and all, but PNR should still be his bread and butter on that 2nd unit.

      The other thing – how horrible is Amare’s post game when he posts on the R block? I’d love to see his shooting percentage (and turnover rate) from there as opposed to the left block.

      Amare has had about one off scoring game (the last).
      He can be that primary scorer and has shown his ability v. single and double coverage. So far, Amare has been feeding off the land; time to run the 2nd team O through him.
      I’m not inclined to think things are that desperate on the scoring front, if you run your offense through Amare rather than Smith on the second team. Let Smith take a few less falling away prayers. And don’t just do ISOs with Amare.
      You run the O through him, you’ll get efficient O, suffer a few extra TOs, but you get better flow that way. Amare can pass out of doubles. Ride that man; he’s a monster.

      If you look at the Knicks’ offensive decline without Melo, you have to see JR’s offensive decline

    9. flossy

      Frank: The other thing – how horrible is Amare’s post game when he posts on the R block? I’d love to see his shooting percentage (and turnover rate) from there as opposed to the left block.

        

      It drives me insane to see plays where Amar’e sets up on the right block with Melo at the left elbow or wing. Is it not glaringly obvious to everyone that Amar’e is vastly superior operating out of the left block, and that Melo’s sweet(est) spot is the right elbow extended? Until teams prove they can stop either player in those spots, why switch?!

      Amar’e on the left block sees the floor well, can pass out of double teams with his dominant hand, and can spin back to towards the baseline away from help to either get to the rim or shoot that nice new fadeaway. Amar’e on the right block usually ends up facing up, driving baseline with his right hand and getting stuck under the backboard and stuffed.

      Amar’e has not really been playing enough minutes, but Woodson & Co. really do a terrible job of optimizing him when he is in the game. STAT is a rhythm player who will only be so effective playing off the ball with limited shot attempts. He has dominated from the left block–why not go back to that again and again and force the opposition to adjust? Why not tell JR Smith “the next possession where you hoist a long 2-pointer before Amar’e even touches the ball will be your last.”

      Amar’e isn’t a garbage man, he’s an offensive workhorse. Ride him, for crying out loud! He’s really not improving the defense, so you might as well squeeze as many points out of him as you can, especially when Melo is off the floor.

    10. flossy

      Frank O.: Amare has had about one off scoring game (the last).
      He can be that primary scorer and has shown his ability v. single and double coverage. So far, Amare has been feeding off the land; time to run the 2nd team O through him.
      I’m not inclined to think things are that desperate on the scoring front, if you run your offense through Amare rather than Smith on the second team. Let Smith take a few less falling away prayers. And don’t just do ISOs with Amare.
      You run the O through him, you’ll get efficient O, suffer a few extra TOs, but you get better flow that way. Amare can pass out of doubles. Ride that man; he’s a monster.

      If you look at the Knicks’ offensive decline without Melo, you have to see JR’s offensive decline

      Jinx.

    11. Frank O.

      Fact is, JR’s efficiency right now is way off his career averages.
      His TS% is .491 v. career .538.
      His eFG% is .455 v. career .506.
      Yet, his usage is up to 24.6 v career 24.

      Also his FG% is .398 v career .424.

      His 3pt% is .333 v. career .366.

      This is very bad.
      And there is no way Smith’s usage should be almost exactly that of Amare’s, which it is, especially when Amare is posting TS% of .645 (career .596) and an eFG% of .579 (career .535).
      It’s scandalous.

    12. Juany8

      Concerning Amar’e, it might just be that Woodson doesn’t trust him to play big minutes or to handle a big workload yet. He’s asking him to exert quite a bit of effort on the boards, on setting harder screens, and on defense, so for now i say let’s have some patience. I know everyone is freaking out but the Knicks are still the 2 seed and they are somehow still about as close to Miami as they are to becoming a third seed. When Tyson Chandler is going all out this team still looks fantastic, I’m pretty sure getting some kind of backup for him would do wonders for his effort and minutes played. This team still has a pretty fantastic record when all of Felton, Melo, and Chandler play, including that awful Sixers game when Felton was clearly not himself after being out a month.

    13. Frank

      Frank O.:
      Fact is, JR’s efficiency right now is way off his career averages.
      His TS% is .491 v. career .538.
      His eFG% is .455 v. career .506.
      Yet, his usage is up to 24.6 v career 24.
      Also his FG% is .398 v career .424.
      His 3pt% is .333 v. career .366.

      JR’s shooting woes would make an interesting film study. For someone who carries a reputation as a great shooter, he is amazingly inconsistent. Even on a game by game basis, he’ll miss 3 pointers by a whole rim diameter. One would have thought some coaching from Hopla would have improved his spot-up mechanics, but he’s shooting only 38% on spot up 3’s – compare that to Novak who shoots 47.5% on those. Or even Jamal Crawford, who no one really thinks is a great shooter’s shooter – he’s shooting 43.8% on spot-up 3’s.

      Anyway, I agree completely – the 2nd unit at least should be an inside-out offense with either Amare in the post or a PNR with Amare as the #1 options. Way too much iso-ball going on.

    14. Frank O.

      Frank: JR’s shooting woes would make an interesting film study. For someone who carries a reputation as a great shooter, he is amazingly inconsistent.Even on a game by game basis, he’ll miss 3 pointers by a whole rim diameter.One would have thought some coaching from Hopla would have improved his spot-up mechanics, but he’s shooting only 38% on spot up 3?s – compare that to Novak who shoots 47.5% on those. Or even Jamal Crawford, who no one really thinks is a great shooter’s shooter – he’s shooting 43.8% on spot-up 3?s.

      Anyway, I agree completely – the 2nd unit at least should be an inside-out offense with either Amare in the post or a PNR with Amare as the #1 options.Way too much iso-ball going on.

      You put Amare out there with Prigs and JR and Novak and Copeland, you lose something defensively, but not a lot against another teams second team, but you spread the floor around Amare and you get a lot of open shots.

    15. flossy

      Frank: JR’s shooting woes would make an interesting film study. For someone who carries a reputation as a great shooter, he is amazingly inconsistent.Even on a game by game basis, he’ll miss 3 pointers by a whole rim diameter.One would have thought some coaching from Hopla would have improved his spot-up mechanics, but he’s shooting only 38% on spot up 3?s – compare that to Novak who shoots 47.5% on those. Or even Jamal Crawford, who no one really thinks is a great shooter’s shooter – he’s shooting 43.8% on spot-up 3?s.

      Anyway, I agree completely – the 2nd unit at least should be an inside-out offense with either Amare in the post or a PNR with Amare as the #1 options.Way too much iso-ball going on.

      Haven’t there been whispers that he’s suffering from some linger Achilles’s heel issue? That could definitely throw off a guy’s shooting form, combined with getting waaaay more minutes than he’s used to.

    16. Frank

      Frank O.: You put Amare out there with Prigs and JR and Novak and Copeland, you lose something defensively, but not a lot against another teams second team, but you spread the floor around Amare and you get a lot of open shots.

      I think the best 2nd unit is Prigs/JR/Novak/Amare/Rasheed. Still get floor spacing from Rasheed but have his defense on the court. We really need Rasheed for 10-15 min/game.

    17. Frank O.

      flossy: Haven’t there been whispers that he’s suffering from some linger Achilles’s heel issue?That could definitely throw off a guy’s shooting form, combined with getting waaaay more minutes than he’s used to.

      Haven’t heard anything about this since October…

    18. Frank O.

      Frank: I think the best 2nd unit is Prigs/JR/Novak/Amare/Rasheed.Still get floor spacing from Rasheed but have his defense on the court.We really need Rasheed for 10-15 min/game.

      Sure. I had Copeland there only because Wallace is still out. But sure, Wallace would be better, and his defense would be better.

    19. Hubert Davis

      Man, this Celtic season is hilarious. 4 game losing streak, followed by a 6 game winning streak, followed by a 6 game losing streak, followed by a 7 game winning streak.

      What else goes in cycles?

    20. Nick C.

      Isn’t Amare still on a minutes cap? More importantly why isn’t Melo? Don’t they see the guy being gassed. It doesn’t take a genius to see where this is going to head come playoffs no matter what good intentions there may be.

    21. yellowboy90

      I know it want happen but its time to move JR to 1st team and Kidd to the bench with Pablo. I think this will force JR off the ball more and the 2nd unit to run through Amar’e.

    22. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      danvt: See, this is the kind of post that fails another kind of eye test.Tell me about what you mean.Chris Paul is one of the best PGs in the game.I don’t even know his ppg average, but am I wrong?Is there a difference making player out there that I’m not aware of?Is there a stat out there that I don’t see evidence of when a player plays?Does Ronnie Brewer have a to secret mission that only certain learned people are aware of?

      I just got back from being away from the computer for a few days, but I want to respond to this. I’m really not sure what you’re saying here.

      So you’re saying that because your eyetest on Chris Paul matches his numbers, that your eyetest is legitimate? (And by any measure, Chris Paul is not just the best PG in the league but up there with Stockton, Kidd and Magic as one of the greatest PGs of all-time.)

      Is there a difference making player out there that I’m not aware of?

      I don’t know. Is there?

      Is there a stat out there that I don’t see evidence of when a player plays?

      Uh, what? How could I know that?

    23. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin:
      Celtics’ streak just ended against Charlotte, of all teams! Hilarious!

      Should we be rooting for Indy or Brooklyn?

      Im glad the Nets won, much more worried about the Pacers passing the Knicks in the standings than the Nets.

    24. d-mar

      Brian Cronin:
      Celtics’ streak just ended against Charlotte, of all teams! Hilarious!

      Should we be rooting for Indy or Brooklyn?

      They did play a triple OT game last night, but still no excuse.

      Celtics are the most recent darlings of the NBA beat writers. But every time the bandwagon gets a little too heavy with passengers, it smashes into a tree.

    25. BigBlueAL

      We complain about the Knicks alot (rightfully so lol) but look at the other top non-Heat teams in the East. Pacers have recently lost home games to the Raptors and tonight a DWil-less Nets. The Bulls are getting blown out at home vs a Spurs team playing the 2nd game of a back-to-back w/o Parker/Manu/Duncan. The Nets lost last night at home to those same Spurs and have 5 more losses than the Knicks.

      The Knicks still have 4 fewer losses than the Pacers and Bulls yet all you will read about is how the Pacers and Bulls are the biggest threats to the Heat and now of course the Celtics are feared w/o Rondo and you still have Barkley saying the Nets are still better than the Knicks. We all know the Knicks have their flaws which are being exposed more frequently lately but they are still the 2nd best team in the East and to me only a healthy Derrick Rose can prevent them from facing the Heat in the Conference Finals.

    26. flossy

      Anyone wondering whether Boston could keep rolling like this should look no further than Pierce’s stats since Rondo’s injury. 20 points, 10 rebound and 7.5 assists per night? Yeah, I don’t think he’s going to keep that up…

    27. d-mar

      BigBlueAL:
      We complain about the Knicks alot (rightfully so lol) but look at the other top non-Heat teams in the East.Pacers have recently lost home games to the Raptors and tonight a DWil-less Nets.The Bulls are getting blown out at home vs a Spurs team playing the 2nd game of a back-to-back w/o Parker/Manu/Duncan.The Nets lost last night at home to those same Spurs and have 5 more losses than the Knicks.

      The Knicks still have 4 fewer losses than the Pacers and Bulls yet all you will read about is how the Pacers and Bulls are the biggest threats to the Heat and now of course the Celtics are feared w/o Rondo and you still have Barkley saying the Nets are still better than the Knicks.We all know the Knicks have their flaws which are being exposed more frequently lately but they are still the 2nd best team in the East and to me only a healthy Derrick Rose can prevent them from facing the Heat in the Conference Finals.

      Thanks for putting it in perspective, none of us are happy about the Knicks play lately, but everyone is stumbling and we’re still #2 in the East.

      Re: the Bulls – I don’t understand how against us, they make it look virtually impossible to get an open look and completely shut us down, but in their last four games they’ve given up 111, 128, 93 and 103 points tonight to a SA team without Duncan, Ginoboli and Parker. Do they just get way up to play us, or is just matchups?

    28. ruruland

      d-mar: Thanks for putting it in perspective, none of us are happy about the Knicks play lately, but everyone is stumbling and we’re still #2 in the East.

      Re: the Bulls – I don’t understand how against us, they make it look virtually impossible to get an open look and completely shut us down, but in their last four games they’ve given up 111, 128, 93 and 103 points tonight to a SA team without Duncan, Ginoboli and Parker. Do they just get way up to play us, or is just matchups?

      For one, their anomalous mid range and 3-pt shooting against the Knicks sort of makes the Knicks offense less patient, which can sometimes mean death against great strong-side defense.

      At any level of basketball, hot shooting = energy = improved confidence.

      They play with a lot of confidence against New York. All it takes is one game to flip the script.

    29. BigBlueAL

      d-mar: Thanks for putting it in perspective, none of us are happy about the Knicks play lately, but everyone is stumbling and we’re still #2 in the East.

      Re: the Bulls – I don’t understand how against us, they make it look virtually impossible to get an open look and completely shut us down, but in their last four games they’ve given up 111, 128, 93 and 103 points tonight to a SA team without Duncan, Ginoboli and Parker. Do they just get way up to play us, or is just matchups?

      Trust me alot of times I have to sit back and relax to gain some perspective because lately watching the Knicks play D has been beyond frustrating for me. Some people here though are beginning to believe this team may not even get out of the 1st round but to me thats ridiculous because they obviously havent watched the teams trailing the Knicks in the standings and dont realize how good the Knicks are compared to the rest of the teams in the East.

      I consider this team to be a 50+ win team and expect them to make a deep run in the playoffs. This is a very good team, the best Knicks team since the 1999-00 team and they are gonna have the best regular season for a Knicks team since the 1996-97 team. Heck if they do finish with the 2nd best record in the East that will be the first time for a Knicks team since the 1995 Knicks and a 2 seed would be their best seed since 1994. So to me this is turning into a pretty special Knicks season especially for Knick fans like myself who werent alive during the championship seasons in the early 70’s and only have fond memories of the 1990’s to compare this to. Its kinda nice to be frustrated with a good team again and not the crap we had to watch for a decade.

      I will say though that thank God the Knicks are in the East and not the West lol.

    30. ruruland

      Re: J.R. cold shooting

      2007-08

      First 37 games: .559 TS
      Last 37 games: .634 TS

      2008-09
      First 40 games: .526 TS
      Last 41 games: .622 TS

      2009-10
      First 37 games: . 494 TS
      Last 38 games: .536 TS

      2010-11
      First 34 games: .509 TS
      Last 45 games: .580 TS

      Other arbitrary splits bear out that JR has always been a second half guy.

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjr01/splits/

      This guy will show up at some point, and when he does, how good can the offense be?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uoYAJCE3L8

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng6YBYkeWz8

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ4sfB8VSDU

    31. Owen

      that is sort of nuts….

      somebody would have hit quite a parlay….

      d-mar:
      Weird night in the NBA, only one home team won, and it was the Bobcats

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