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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Apr 30 2012)

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Playoffs — Knicks’ Hopes Ride on Carmelo Anthony (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:33:28 GMT)
    The Knicks are so bruised and depleted that in Game 2, their only sure thing is Carmelo Anthony, and he struggled to score 11 points in Game 1.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Pat Riley’s Presence Is Still Felt if Not Heard (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:07:22 GMT)
    Once a grand N.B.A. philosopher, Pat Riley has transitioned into a spiritual Buddha, lurking but elusive in his commanding role as Heat president.

  • [New York Times] Sports of The Times: Michael Jordan, Owner, Could Learn from Michael Jordan, Player (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:03:58 GMT)
    For Michael Jordan, turning around the Charlotte Bobcats, the most futile team in N.B.A. history, will require better decisions and better teamwork.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Try to Remain Positive After Losing Derrick Rose (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:04:29 GMT)
    The absence of the star point guard Derrick Rose, who tore an anterior cruciate ligament Saturday, is a blow to the Bulls’ bid for their first title since 1998.

  • [New York Times] Knicks’ Jeremy Lin Reports Soreness in Knee (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:00:11 GMT)
    Jeremy Lin, who is coming back from knee surgery, ruled out playing in the Knicks’ next two playoff games against the Heat, and was skeptical about Game 4.

  • [New York Times] Clippers 99, Grizzlies 98: Clippers Rally From 27 Down to Stun Grizzlies, 99-98 (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:39:40 GMT)
    Chris Paul hit a pair of free throws with 23.7 seconds left, and the Los Angeles Clippers rallied from 27 down to beat the Memphis Grizzlies Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Clippers’ Lose Butler to Broken Hand for 4-6 Weeks (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:33:33 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Clippers enjoyed a stunning come-from-behind victory over Memphis in the first round of the NBA playoffs on Sunday but it came at a high price as forward Caron Butler suffered a broken left hand and could miss 4-6 weeks.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Rally to Tame Grizzlies, Hawks Down Celtics (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:43:02 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Clippers rallied from a 27-point deficit to stun the Memphis Grizzlies 99-98 in Game One of their first-round playoff series.

  • [New York Times] Rondo Tirade Could Be Mean Double-Loss for Celtics (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:43:29 GMT)
    Talk about a tough playoff opener for the Boston Celtics.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: 2012 N.B.A. Playoffs — Determined Spurs Top Jazz (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:09:52 GMT)
    The top-seeded Spurs beat the Jazz in Game 1 of their first-round series, their first win in a first-round Game 1 in four years.

  • [New York Times] Roundup | Game 1: Lakers 103, Nuggets 88: N.B.A. Playoffs — Lakers Open With Rout of Nuggets (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:37:56 GMT)
    Denver has never beaten the Lakers in the playoffs, and Game 1 offered no reason to expect otherwise.

  • [New York Times] F Caron Butler Out With Broken Left Hand (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:45:39 GMT)
    Clippers forward Caron Butler broke his left hand Sunday in Game 1 of Los Angeles’ series against the Memphis Grizzlies.

  • [New York Times] Smith Leads Hawks Past Celtics 83-74; Rondo Tossed (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:30:41 GMT)
    The Boston Celtics lost Game 1 — and they may have lost their floor leader for Game 2.

  • [New York Daily News] It’s not the time or team for Linsanity’s return (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:26:57 GMT)
    A day after they scored 67 points and were outclassed in every way imaginable by the Miami Heat in their playoff opener, the Knicks allowed Jeremy Lin to speak to the media.

  • [New York Daily News] Linsanity still on hold for Knicks (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:12:00 GMT)
    Linsanity to the rescue? Carmelo Anthony isn’t expecting nor is he advising Jeremy Lin to attempt a comeback against the Miami Heat.”No,â? Anthony said. “We don’t want him to rush it. I’ve seen situations like that before. That’s something we do not want.â?

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks feel Heat as playoff drought continues (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:07:06 GMT)
    Eleven years have now come and gone for the Knicks without a single playoff win, a streak of futility that has them on the cusp of NBA history, the wrong kind of history.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo: TimeALL to chill out vs. Heat (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:03:02 GMT)
    To confuse Carmelo Anthony, Heat coach Erik Spoelstra dispatched two, three defenders, denying the ball and limiting all options. Shane Battier and LeBron James fronted him at times and pushed him at others.

  • [New York Post] Melo insists Knicks â?? despite injuries, illness â?? can take Heat (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:07:15 -0500)
    MIAMI â?? It’s playoff déjà-boo-hoo for the Knicks, destroyed again by illnesses, injuries, bad luck and bad shooting in the first round.
    With Tyson Chandler still ravaged by the flu and missing yesterday’s practice, Iman Shumpert’s devastating knee injury and Baron Davis’ bad back, the Knicks appear on…

  • [New York Post] Woodson would be wise to get team to wake up (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:42:49 -0500)
    MIAMI â?? Mike Woodson understands nobody is inclined to feel sorry for him. Iman Shumpert, his best athlete, busted up a knee? Tough. Tyson Chandler, the Knicks’ defensive backbone and emotional foundation, can’t shake the flu? Too bad. Baron Davis’ back looks like one of those soft pretzels you buy…

  • [New York Post] LeBron determined to become NBA champ (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:18:13 -0500)
    MIAMI â?? Someone asked LeBron James yesterday if the aggressive pick Tyson Chandler slammed into him with during Saturday’s playoff opener gave the Heat star added inspiration.
    “I’m already an inspired basketball player,â? James said. “I don’t need a hit to get me inspired.â?
    That inspiration comes from…

  • [New York Post] Woodson hopes Shumpert’s a fast healer (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:12:13 -0500)
    MIAMI â?? Knicks interim coach Mike Woodson said he’s hopeful rookie Iman Shumpert can beat the timetable and be available for the start of October’s training camp, and Amar’e Stoudemire vowed he will help the Knicks rookie defensive guard with rehab.
    Saturday was a sad turn of events…

  • [New York Post] Chandler still ails from flu (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:12:13 -0500)
    MIAMI â?? Tonight’s auxiliary scoreboard could read: Flu 2, Tyson Chandler 0.
    The Knicks center was a game-time decision for Game 1 Saturday against the Heat, and although Chandler played with the flu, he admitted to being dazed and weak. And not surprisingly, he performed as such in the Knicks…

  • [New York Post] Heart of â??D’ Heat (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:12:13 -0500)
    MIAMI â?? They are South Beach glitz and glamour, possessing that flashy hi-tech offense, forged around LeBron James and Dwyane Wade.
    But peel away the pizzazz and flash from the Heat and at the core you’ll find a lunch pail and a hardhat, universal symbols of the hard-working man. And…

  • [New York Post] Lin’s aim: Game 4 (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:53:55 -0500)
    MIAMI â?? Will there be Linsanity Sunday at the Garden?
    Knicks point guard Jeremy Lin said it was possible he could return for Sunday’s Game 4 as he confirmed he is aiming now to play against the Heat instead of waiting for a second round that probably won’t come…

  • [New York Post] Landry set to step into Iman’s role (Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:08:21 -0500)
    MIAMI â?? Landry Fields clapped his hands after the Heat were called for a 24-second clock violation early in Saturday’s second quarter. Part of that was because of his defense on Dwyane Wade.
    In Game 1’s disastrous loss, Fields was one of the Knicks’ brighter spots â?? especially considering how…

  • 63 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Apr 30 2012)

    1. cgreene

      It’s really remarkable what has happened to this team in the playoffs. Tyson is still sick and may not play. Unreal. Then we will get beat badly again without Tyson Shump and Lin and people will say Melo can’t get out of the first round.

    2. Eternal OptiKnist

      What i enjoy about Coach Potato Head as opposed to Coach Pringles (and i was a pringles fan), is he truly seems to not let us rely on excuses. He laments what happened with Tyson and Shump, but I like the quote that went something like “nobody cares…this is the big leagues, we have to get over it”…his tone of voice and the way in which he says it is great. We may not win a game in this series, but i don’t think it’ll be because we felt sorry for ourselves given the circumstances and gave up.

    3. Eternal OptiKnist

      Are ACL tears still a death sentence for the NBA player? i could care less about this series at this point…i just worry about Shump long-term because his game is so dependent on athleticism, and the thought of him being robbed so early in his career is nauseating. Sucks he loses an off-season of working on his game.

    4. Eternal OptiKnist

      If Lin is truly feeling ready to play, then great…otherwise, its very dumb to risk further injury. I’m fine with him getting playoff experience even if the series is lost, but not at the risk of losing him a la Shumpstein.

    5. Eternal OptiKnist

      Gideon Zaga: We Win Tonight! Betting my Portfolio on it!

      I host a weekly poker game and would love for you to join us. Man…I can’t even describe what winning tonight would feel like. I’m looking forward to seeing how Woody adjusts….i think its our first opportunity to see how he is at Xs and Os. We already know his ability to get them to play hard on defense, keep them motivated…but not sure we’ve seen any real tactical strategy yet. I hope he’s a guy like JVG who’d be up 48 hrs straight watching tape.

    6. bobneptune

      Eternal OptiKnist: I host a weekly poker game and would love for you to join us.Man…I can’t even describe what winning tonight would feel like.I’m looking forward to seeing how Woody adjusts….i think its our first opportunity to see how he is at Xs and Os.We already know his ability to get them to play hard on defense, keep them motivated…but not sure we’ve seen any real tactical strategy yet.I hope he’s a guy like JVG who’d be up 48 hrs straight watching tape.

      If Chandler isn’t over the flu, leave him in the hotel room so he will be 100% for game 3. Their chances of winning without their starting back court (lin and shump) and a very sub par chandler is about zero, so play a don nelson line up and hope for a miracle.

      amar’e @5, melo@4, fields@3, jr @2 and davis@ the point with novak off the bench playing 30+ minutes and whatever pastiche off the bench makes sense.

      hey, that’s a better chance than with dave de busschere and stallworth guarding wilt in game 5…….

    7. johnlocke

      Epic thread last night!

      That had to be one of the longest on a day the Knicks weren’t playing. Lots of built-up bitterness / angst =)

      If Chandler’s sick he shouldn’t play. Plus I think playing Amare at the 5 gives us more spacing out there. We may need to release JORTS instead of JJ also. I think Jorts can give us some solid minutes.

    8. Matt Smith

      Agreed @5 – I don’t think Lin should play at all this series. Especially game 4, if we happen to go 0-3. Let’s not mortgage our future to try to avoid the sweep.

      I’m not saying we’re going to lose – anything can happen (what if Lebron get a freak injury? All of a sudden we’re back in it). And our team has a much higher potential for a few key players to catch fire (remember our last Boston game)?

      But I think realistically this team has one of the best chances to benefit from a long offseason of practice and meshing – hope we don’t hamstring our players’ future unnecessarily.

    9. Caleb

      This guy lists 16 active players who have come back from ACL tears:
      http://www.sulia.com/channel/basketball/f/3bf8edad-7734-4007-bc18-ed23448e7958/?source=twitter
      Al Jefferson, Nene, Brandon Rush (in college), Kendrick Perkins, Tony Allen, Jeff Pendergraph, Jared Jeffries, Willie Green, David West, Jason Smith, Josh Howard, Michael Redd, Shaun Livingston, Jamal Crawford, Baron Davis and Al Harrington.

      Some more encouraging than others. Crawford and Tony Allen, especially, didn’t seem to lose much. I don’t remember when Baron tore his up.

      Ron Harper also came back from an ACL tear, maybe too. A different player, but still very effective. If I remember right, both Dominique Wilkins and Tim Hardaway came back from ACL tears, too.

      It’s always hard (impossible) to say whether players lose a step because of the injury, or just because they’ve gotten a little older. Several of the more high-profile players were hurt on the downside of their careers.

      On the one hand, you could say this is a big risk for Shump because he relies so much on his athleticism. On the other hand, being young and in fantastic shape, probably improves his odds. Same with Rose.

      And there may be specific aspects to his injury that would affect the prognosis.

      Hate to see it happen, but the surgical techniques, and rehab, have come a long way since the 60s, 70s and 80s.

    10. Caleb

      re: Tyson, have to see what kind of shape he’s in. If he’s feeling and looking like he did on Saturday, doesn’t help anyone to run him out there. If he’s better, sure. The Knicks have basically zero chance to make this series competitive without Chandler, but if he can’t go, he can’t go.

      And Lin, agree it would be crazy to send him out if his knee isn’t holding up. And at this point it doesn’t look good. but I would leave that call to the doctors.

      That said, you never know what’s going to happen. A Miami guy could get hurt, a little or a lot. Wade could bump a ref. Etc. You keep playing and see what happens.

      The Knicks real issues are on offense. We looked like Little Leaguers the other day.

      I’m less worried about our D, especially if Chandler can play. Miami is obviously a good offensive team, but they have problems in the half-court, run hot and cold and would have looked a lot worse on Saturday if they hadn’t made a bunch of low-percentage jumpers. And that was without Chandler functioning.

    11. Z

      I remember Danny Manning tearing his ACL his rookie year, too.

      Caleb:

      Ron Harper also came back from an ACL tear, maybe too. A different player, but still very effective. If I remember right, both Dominique Wilkins and Tim Hardaway came back from ACL tears, too.

    12. Eternal OptiKnist

      er: sad chain of events man kinda infuriating

      Yea, its just so frustrating after what happened against Boston last year…to have health possibly kill us again this year is very maddening. I blame the lockout and 66-game schedule for so much.

    13. Eternal OptiKnist

      Matt Smith: Agreed @5 – I don’t think Lin should play at all this series. Especially game 4, if we happen to go 0-3. Let’s not mortgage our future to try to avoid the sweep

      if he’s legitimately healthy, i think he should play, no matter where we are in the series. Playoff experience is important…its not like we’re going to sit our whole starting lineup if we’re down 0-3, so he shouldn’t sit either. But if he’s rushed back at the risk of further injury to help..thats just really, really unfathomably stupid.

    14. stratomatic

      Eternal OptiKnist:
      Are ACL tears still a death sentence for the NBA player?i could care less about this series at this point…i just worry about Shump long-term because his game is so dependent on athleticism, and the thought of him being robbed so early in his career is nauseating.Sucks he loses an off-season of working on his game.

      I think it’s a mixed bag as far as coming back 100%, but the prognosis is not terrible. Missing the off season is a major disappointment though. The thing he needs to work on is his shot and the off season is exactly when you can do that sort of thing.

    15. d-mar

      Some good news for once:

      @SpearsNBAYahoo: Source tells Y! Sports Tyson Chandler’s “fever is down and he is feeling much, much better” & will play in Game 2

      Win or lose, we really have to make a stand tonight. Go Knicks!

    16. stratomatic

      The Knicks chances of winning the championship with a 100% Lin are probably 2%. With a sub par Lin they are essentially zero. The chances of Lin being set back by rushing him back to play are a lot higher than that.

    17. stratomatic

      Seriously, I’m not even sure Knicks fans should be preoccupied with this Miami series. I’ve already moved on to the major long term issues:

      1. Amare

      Is he going to have surgery on his back this off season?

      Is he on a long term decline?

      Can he be effective on offense at PF with Chandler at C taking up space and getting some of the P&R opportunities and Melo being a high usage player

      2. How do we keep Lin and retain Novak, Fields, Jeffries… under the cap?

      3. Shumpert

      Will he be ready for the start of the season and in what capacity?

      That’s the second time he hurt a knee. Is this going become an ongoing issue?

      4. If we are just a middle of the road playoff team now, don’t have the cap space to retain some of our key role players, and Amare is on a decline, just how do we find the upside to become contenders over the next few years or should we already be thinking about the 2015-2016 rebuild as Amare/Melo come off the cap.

    18. Spree8nyk8

      stratomatic:
      The Knicks chances of winning the championship with a 100% Lin are probably 2%.With a sub par Lin they are essentially zero.The chances of Lin being set back by rushing him back to play are a lot higher than that.

      It’s really not. A meniscus tear that has been repaired 4-5 weeks postop is fairly stable. Which is why you do see people able to make comebacks well short of the normal 6 week period. And I had this argument with Robert last night. At some point this team is going to have to stop putting off competing to “next year”. Not saying that we will win a title this year, not even saying we will win this series this year. But teams don’t normally jump from not being competitive in rd 1 to a title the next year. They need experience, they need to know they can compete. Lin coming back early will only happen if he’s medically cleared and if he feels capable. So me personally I want this to happen. I want this team to show heart and lay it all out there and see how far it takes them. It would be better for their long term psyche for them to lose a 6 or 7 game series and prove to themselves that they can compete with these guys than to simply play it safe and get swept out. Also, I think management really needs to get an accurate assessment of if big changes need to be made. Someone yesterday suggested that when Brooklyn faces losing DWill in the offseason that they would become desperate enough to take on Amar’es contract. So I think that they really need the best look they can get at how far away they are with this squad now. Because honestly, we might be closer than we think, or we might be too far away to make this particular unit work. Need to know for sure.

    19. Caleb

      Fair questions but they can wait a couple of weeks.

      I think the Knicks are better than their record – even if Amare is on the decline, which he probably is, odds are that he and Melo will play better than they did this year. Add Lin & Shumpert to the mix, and it’s a genuine 50+ win team. Figure out a way to find the missing pieces.

      Not that we have any choice! No cap, no blockbuster trades on the way..

    20. Spree8nyk8

      I have a rather odd idea for retaining Novak and Smith but I’m not sure how viable it is, or if it’s stupid or not. But say for instance that trading Amar’e to Brooklyn was a possibility. Could NJ be used to basically sign and trade Novak and Smith to us? Like maybe we could trade Amar’e for Gerald Wallace/Smith/Novak or humphries/smith/novak or something along that lines? Can that be done under the CBA?

    21. stratomatic

      @21

      If Lin’s knee is 100%, I have no problem playing him. But 3 days ago they were saying he was on schedule to come back in the second round. Then Shumpert went down and all of a sudden he’s ahead of schedule. I don’t buy it. There’s probably a grey area where he can play without taking a high risk, but ideally they wait an extra week. They are probably just moving the line for what is acceptable because they need him more now.

    22. Brian Cronin

      I have a rather odd idea for retaining Novak and Smith but I’m not sure how viable it is, or if it’s stupid or not. But say for instance that trading Amar’e to Brooklyn was a possibility. Could NJ be used to basically sign and trade Novak and Smith to us? Like maybe we could trade Amar’e for Gerald Wallace/Smith/Novak or humphries/smith/novak or something along that lines? Can that be done under the CBA?

      Yes, that is allowed.

    23. stratomatic

      @23

      I think any trades involving Amare are a non starter.

      He was close to untradeable because of his knees and uninsured contract before this recurring back issue and the potential need for surgery. Unless Isiah is put in charge of another team, he’s ours until he’s an expiring contract. That’s what makes the “fit” issues so critical.

      If Amare was still Amare and we concluded that the Melo/Amare/Chandler front court was not a good fit because of overlapping talents, you just trade Amare because he’s the one that fits least with the other two (even though ideally I would prefer a peak Amare as the #1 scorer over Melo).

      But with Amare looking like he’s declining, his high risk knees, potential back surgery, and uninsured contract, he can’t be moved.

      So how do you break those 3 up with a trade for similar talent that works better together?

      I don’t think you can.

      Melo and Chandler can work.

      Amare and Melo or Amare and Chandler results is not being able to use either optimally.

      IMO, it’s suspect enough to have Melo and Amare as your max players, but if you can’t get 100% out of both them it’s a disaster.

    24. Spree8nyk8

      I buy it because when they showed his 1 on 1 drill prior to game 1 the very first thing i thought was that he was gonna come back for this series. It was brief but he looked good. I’m sure there was definitely some escalation after the game 1 debacle but they simply won’t put him out there if he’s not capable. And yes, I’m sure that there will always be some minor level of risk. But this wasn’t a ligament, it was a minor meniscus tear. And recovery time isn’t etched in stone. If he feels good enough to play then he’ll be fine. I think some of you are so used to this team being snakebitten that you have become a little over sensitized to this kind of thing. Shump is gonna be fine. So will Lin.

    25. bobneptune

      Caleb:
      This guy lists 16 active players who have come back from ACL tears:
      http://www.sulia.com/channel/basketball/f/3bf8edad-7734-4007-bc18-ed23448e7958/?source=twitter
      Al Jefferson, Nene, Brandon Rush (in college), Kendrick Perkins, Tony Allen, Jeff Pendergraph, Jared Jeffries, Willie Green, David West, Jason Smith, Josh Howard, Michael Redd, Shaun Livingston, Jamal Crawford, Baron Davis and Al Harrington.

      Some more encouraging than others. Crawford and Tony Allen, especially, didn’t seem to lose much. I don’t remember when Baron tore his up.

      Ron Harper also came back from an ACL tear, maybe too. A different player, but still very effective. If I remember right, both Dominique Wilkins and Tim Hardaway came back from ACL tears, too.

      It’s always hard (impossible) to say whether players lose a step because of the injury, or just because they’ve gotten a little older. Several of the more high-profile players were hurt on the downside of their careers.

      On the one hand, you could say this is a big risk for Shump because he relies so much on his athleticism. On the other hand, being young and in fantastic shape, probably improves his odds. Same with Rose.

      And there may be specific aspects to his injury that would affect the prognosis.

      Hate to see it happen, but the surgical techniques, and rehab, have come a long way since the 60s, 70s and 80s.

      wasn’t bernard king the original ACL transplant guy???

    26. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      If Willis McGahee can have his knee snapped in half by a flying 200 lbs. man and go on to be an explosive running back in the most physically demanding ball sport in the world, I think Shumpert and Rose can come back strong.

    27. Bruno Almeida

      Spree8nyk8: Finally 1 person who didn’t shitcan the series bc we lost a game.

      I don’t actually think we’ll win, but I’m kinda hopeful, this Miami team is more flawed than what it looks.

      unfortunately, Rose’s injury kinda puts them in the finals by default… let’s see if this is going to be the biggest “Ewing theory” case ever, like Simmons likes to put it.

    28. Brian Cronin

      The Nets are going to have a black and white color scheme. The Spurs are the only other team that I can think of that use black and white, but they don’t use an actual drawing in black and white. It looks odd.

      Black and white as a color scheme overall is fine, though.

    29. Owen

      I sure hope so….

      Random notes…

      Denver and Lakers played at a 92 possession pace. Denver average for the season 94. Lakers average 90.5.

      The Lakers were also the Knicks exact inverse this year, 41 wins, 36 Ewins…

      Was just in a room with Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless on. I wish I had that four minutes of my life back….

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      If Willis McGahee can have his knee snapped in half by a flying 200 lbs. man and go on to be an explosive running back in the most physically demanding ball sport in the world, I think Shumpert and Rose can come back strong.

    30. Eternal OptiKnist

      johnlocke: still don’t like the lineup if amare is starting.

      Still seems like a major probelm yet to be solved on top of the Melo+Amare mesh is the Amare+Chandler spacing.

    31. Caleb

      bobneptune: wasn’t bernard king the original ACL transplant guy???

      I’d forgotten the details, but just went back to read and yeah, he had a hell of an operation. I don’t know how new or unusual the specific procedure was, but he must have been one of the early efforts, if not the first.
      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1118771/index.htm

      Fun quote: “I’ve put out six books and 80-some articles, and yet I’ll go down as Bernard King’s doctor,” says Dr. Norman Scott, who replaced King’s anterior cruciate ligament with a band of ligaments from King’s upper leg on April 1, 1985. “But that’s fine. I just hope that in his lifetime, Bernard has someone who makes him as proud as he has made me.”

      Here’s a bit more for you armchair surgeons…

      http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/anterior-cruciate-ligament-acl-surgery

      http://orthopedics.about.com/od/aclinjury/tp/acl.htm

    32. er

      So some guy named Doolitle on espn insider says Knicks can’t win a title with melo….I bet the same guy woulda said the same about dirk….I’m tired of people making blanket statements like that I think it’s such lazy journalism …saying anything “can’t” is so idiotic…like KG can’t win in Mineapolis blah blah blah

      I’m so over the lazy journalisim

    33. afrikan_hermis

      bobneptune: If Chandler isn’t over the flu, leave him in the hotel room so he will be 100% for game 3. Their chances of winning without their starting back court (lin and shump) and a very sub par chandler is about zero, so play a don nelson line up and hope for a miracle.

      amar’e @5, melo@4, fields@3, jr @2 and davis@ the point with novak off the bench playing 30+ minutes and whatever pastiche off the bench makes sense.

      hey, that’s a better chance than with dave de busschere and stallworth guarding wilt in game 5…….

      Agrred EXCEPT that Woody should start Jerome Jordan first and see how it goes and subs him with Jorts. JVG wouldn’t have hesitated a minute to exploit JJ upstage talents!

    34. Caleb

      Eternal OptiKnist: Still seems like a major probelm yet to be solved on top of the Melo+Amare mesh is the Amare+Chandler spacing.

      I think it’s fair to say that having all three on the court together is not ideal. But you can create a rotation where they all play 30-plus, and aren’t on the court together more than 10 minutes. There might be some matchups where that’s ok, or maybe Amare gets minutes cut to 25 or 28. If it’s ok for Tim Duncan it should be ok for Amare.

      Not tonight, though, I don’t think we can count on big minutes from Tyson so Amare is basically our center, for better or worse.

    35. bobneptune

      stratomatic:
      Seriously, I’m not even sure Knicks fans should be preoccupied with this Miami series.I’ve already moved on to the major long term issues:

      1. Amare

      Is he going to have surgery on his back this off season?

      YES

      Is he on a long term decline?

      YES

      Can he be effective on offense at PF with Chandler at C taking up space and getting some of the P&R opportunities and Melo being a high usage player

      NOT WITH THE OFFENSE THEY CURRENTLY RUN

      2. How do we keep Lin and retain Novak, Fields, Jeffries… under the cap?

      FIELDS AND JEFFERIES ARE MINIMUM PLAYERS

      LIN STAYS AS HE IS A MARKETING MACHINE

      NOVAK IS UNI DIMENSIONAL ,BUT HAS SOME VALUE IN A LIMITED ROLE

      3. Shumpert

      Will he be ready for the start of the season and in what capacity?

      NO. BEST CASE JAN 1.

      REDUCED LATERAL MOVEMENT. 100% RECOVERY 12-18 MONTHS

      That’s the second time he hurt a knee. Is this going become an ongoing issue?

      UNLESS THE MENISCUS IS SERIOUSLY DAMAGED, NO.

      OF COURSE IF THEY TRY TO JAM 66 GAMES INTO 4 MONTHS AGAIN, BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN

      4. If we are just a middle of the road playoff team now, don’t have the cap space to retain some of our key role players, and Amare is on a decline, just how do we find the upside to become contenders over the next few years or should we already be thinking about the 2015-2016 rebuild as Amare/Melo come off the cap.

      THANK MELO AND JIMMY D.

      IT IS ACTUALLY WORSE AS THEY HAVE FEW DRAFT CHOICES MOVING FORWARD and NO CAP ROOM. AND NO AMNESTY TO LIQUIDATE A’MARE

    36. johnlocke

      If Lin plays it will be b/c he is healthy enough to play….trust me. No way Dolan and MSG president are stupid enough from a business perspective to mess w/ such a cash cow. He will also be signed for the full MLE based on his economic value to the team alone.
      See the quote below from the president of MSG on Lin:

      “When Linsanity hit, it was like nothing I have ever experienced in this or any other business. There has never been anything like it. At one point, 45% of all Knicks merchandise sold in The Garden was connected to Jeremy. And that was after just two weeks. We saw a 2000% increase in our online video views. Our television ratings doubled. When compared against any other league-wide measurable, be it sales, page views, you name it, the gap between us and anyone else was unprecedented.”

      stratomatic:
      There’s probably a grey area where he can play without taking a high risk,but ideally they wait an extra week. They are probably just moving the line for what is acceptable because they need him more now.

    37. Eternal OptiKnist

      Amare’s karma is just too damn good…i predict a big game from him tonight. A close win or loss that he’s a big part of!

    38. Will the Thrill

      4 NBA players from other teams tweeted about the officiating of Game 1 haha wow at least we weren’t the only ones to see it.

    39. afrikan_hermis

      johnlocke:
      Epic thread last night!

      That had to be one of the longest on a day the Knicks weren’t playing. Lots of built-up bitterness / angst =)

      If Chandler’s sick he shouldn’t play. Plus I think playing Amare at the 5 gives us more spacing out there.We may need to release JORTS instead of JJ also. I think Jorts can give us some solid minutes.

      John, IMHO judging both guys talents, JJ is FAR MORE ATHLETIC, TALENTED and EXPERIENCED than the rookie Jorts. some how D’antoni’s stubbornness of wasting centers who don’t shoot 3s ( ie, Darko, Randolf etc ) got him to start using Jorts instesd of JJ. As I posted last week on NY Times blog, this somehow have rob off on Woody too. A BIG MISTAKE indeed. Any coach with eye for talent and understanding of what it takes to win play off games like Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers, Pat Riley, or JVG wouldn’t have hesitated one bit to have employed his 7’6′ wing span, his ability to QUICKLY patrol the paint, shot blocking and rebounding PLUS his undeniable offensive talents with hard-to-deffend BACK-TO-THE-BASKET TURN AROUND FADE AWAY jumpers, not to mention his better than 50+% FGA and 82+% FTA. Above all he has more combined experience in Europe, D league and the NBA than the rookie Jorts.When did u see some one block JJ’s shot? Think about it. as compared to the few times Jorts shot have been blocked at the rim?? This IS what I am talking about. Jorts just can’t compare to JJ’s talents and ability as a center or power forward. PERIOD!

    40. Spree8nyk8

      Azaz ? @AzazNYK

      “NBA Ref trends:Joey Crawford has called a #TECH in 20 out of his last 24 Ref’d playoff games (Team that gets called 1st 1-19) Joey #Fixer”

    41. Eternal OptiKnist

      Spree8nyk8: Azaz ? @AzazNYK“NBA Ref trends:Joey Crawford has called a #TECH in 20 out of his last 24 Ref’d playoff games (Team that gets called 1st 1-19) Joey #Fixer”

      Not sure i follow the “(Team that gets called 1st 1-19) Joey #Fixer” part

    42. Eternal OptiKnist

      I hope we can turn this series around…we have a finite window of opportunity with STAT, Melo and Chandler…this isnt a young core – we’ve got only a few years after this to make something happen.

    43. johnlocke

      Agreed. Not only lazy journalism but really terrible logic. He argues that Carmelo can’t be the center piece of a championship team by comparing him with a player that has never won a championship. He sprinkles the article with easily google-able stats to provide an argument grounded in very little logic, some kind of credibility. I’m not saying that Melo is or is not capable of being the centerpiece of a championship team, but to try to prove that point by highlighting that Lebron is much better than Melo is just retarded. Every team that has won the championship in NBA history has not had Lebron on it. Come on dude!

      er:
      So some guy named Doolitle on espn insider says Knicks can’t win a title with melo….I bet the same guy woulda said the same about dirk….I’m tired of people making blanket statements like that I think it’s such lazy journalism …saying anything “can’t” is so idiotic…like KG can’t win in Mineapolis blah blah blah

      I’m so over the lazy journalisim

    44. johnlocke

      =) I meant Jared Jeffries, not Jerome Jordan.

      I think JJ is promising, but may be too green to get his ego abused by the Heat. we’ll see.

      afrikan_hermis: John, IMHO judging both guys talents, JJ is FAR MORE ATHLETIC, TALENTED and EXPERIENCED than the rookie Jorts. some how D’antoni’s stubbornness of wasting centers who don’t shoot 3s ( ie, Darko, Randolf etc ) got him to start using Jorts instesd of JJ.

    45. Kikuchiyo

      Please let’s stop talking about Amar’e like he’s washed up. We’ve seen plenty of evidence that he’s physically fine (if maybe not the transcendent athlete he once was). Remember the dunk that started Sunday’s game? Aside from defense (cough), Amar’e’s weakness has been scoring over big shot blockers. Miami has exactly the kind of bigs that he should be able to score on.

      So many KBers on the ledge after one lousy game. (Okay, it was an apocalyptically lousy game.) This isn’t the very thin roster from last year’s playoffs. The Knicks can win.

      Chin up.

    46. Brian Cronin

      Please let’s stop talking about Amar’e like he’s washed up. We’ve seen plenty of evidence that he’s physically fine (if maybe not the transcendent athlete he once was). Remember the dunk that started Sunday’s game? Aside from defense (cough), Amar’e’s weakness has been scoring over big shot blockers. Miami has exactly the kind of bigs that he should be able to score on.

      So many KBers on the ledge after one lousy game. (Okay, it was an apocalyptically lousy game.) This isn’t the very thin roster from last year’s playoffs. The Knicks can win.

      Chin up.

      There’s overreactions based on wins and losses for regular season games, so you’d have to imagine there’d be even more for playoff games, especially one of the worst possible losses imaginable (blowout with a key player getting injured).

      But yeah, I do agree that the series should not be considered won or lost because the Heat destroyed them in Game 1 and Shump got hurt. It is not a good position for them to be in, but the whole series was not a good position for them to be in. They win tonight and it is a totally different series. Tonight is the key. They’re definitely still in this thing.

    47. er

      Another annoying melo bash today is that he is 16-34 in playoff games…

      In 03-04 lost to the #1 min timberwolves his rookie year which coincidently was kgs MVP year

      Lbj no playoffs

      Lost to spurs I believe next year
      Lost to a better clip team next year when nene had ball cancer I believe
      Then lost to the spurs again and then lakers

      How many all time greats did he lose to you ask…Kobe Duncan KG etc all in their primes so I’m sorry he wasn’t playing the likes of the wizards every year (lebron)

    48. 2FOR18

      johnlocke:
      Agreed. Not only lazy journalism but really terrible logic. He argues that Carmelo can’t be the center piece of a championship team by comparing him with a player that has never won a championship. He sprinkles the article with easily google-able stats to provide an argument grounded in very little logic, some kind of credibility. I’m not saying that Melo is or is not capable of being the centerpiece of a championship team, but to try to prove that point by highlighting that Lebron is much better than Melo is just retarded. Every team that has won the championship in NBA history has not had Lebron on it. Come on dude!

      You can win a championship with melo, but not if he’s the best player on the team.

    49. 2FOR18

      er:
      Another annoying melo bash today is that he is 16-34 in playoff games…

      In 03-04 lost to the #1 min timberwolves his rookie year which coincidently was kgs MVP year

      Lbj no playoffs

      Lost to spurs I believe next year
      Lost to a better clip team next year when nene had ball cancer I believe
      Then lost to the spurs again and then lakers

      How many all time greats did he lose to you ask…Kobe Duncan KG etc all in their primes so I’m sorry he wasn’t playing the likes of the wizards every year (lebron)

      Yes, that kind of stuff is silly.

      But just to be clear, no one on here is saying melo sucks, so calling people on here melo haters or whatever is off base. Even the most anti melo guy on here will concede that he’s, at worst, one of the top 30 ball players in the world.

      The beef is mainly about whether melo is worth the resouces (players, draft picks, max salary) we gave up to get him, and whether his strengths are too duplicative (?) with Amare’s strengths, thus having most of the salary cap taken up by 2 guys that both need to be primary scorers in order to maximize their worth.

      My hope is that we somehow get a genius coach next year who can figure out how to make this all work, as there’s no doubt we have plenty of talent to be a contender.

    50. johnlocke

      That’s the beauty of the game…people said the same thing about Dirk until he did it. That’s what’s funny about subjective opinions, you’re right until you’re wrong. As a fan, I have to root for him and hope he can with the right supplementary pieces…b/c we’re not getting anyone better than Melo on this team anytime in the next 5 years.

      2FOR18: You can win a championship with melo, but not if he’s the best player on the team.

    51. 2FOR18

      johnlocke:
      That’s the beauty of the game…people said the same thing about Dirk until he did it. That’s what’s funny about subjective opinions, you’re right until you’re wrong. As a fan, I have to root for him and hope he can with the right supplementary pieces…b/c we’re not getting anyone better than Melo on this team anytime in the next 5 years.

      Yeah. I was just thinking if I could come up with a team that won with a best player “worse” than melo. The only team I could think of is the Billups Detroit team. So I shouldn’t have said it can’t be done, but that Det team seems like an outlier.

    52. johnlocke

      Yeh that team also beat a Lakers team in the Finals in 5 games that had these guys on it — Shaquille O’Neal, Kobe Bryant, Gary Payton and Karl Malone. The followin
      g year they made it to the Finals again and just lost in game 7 to the Spurs.
      The superstars (top 5 or so players in the game) usually win the championships, but lesser lights can win if you build the right team around them…typically a good defensive team with complementary parts – the right balance of guard play, shooting, defense and rebounding. Probably harder to build a team that way, than just drafting Lebron, Kobe, etc — but it can be done

      2FOR18: Yeah.I was just thinking if I could come up with a team that won with a best player “worse” than melo.The only team I could think of is the Billups Detroit team.So I shouldn’t have said it can’t be done, but that Det team seems like an outlier.

    53. thenamestsam

      2FOR18: Yeah.I was just thinking if I could come up with a team that won with a best player “worse” than melo.The only team I could think of is the Billups Detroit team.So I shouldn’t have said it can’t be done, but that Det team seems like an outlier.

      This can get very tricky because of how dramtically winning a title can alter our perceptions of how good a player is, even if they remain fundamentally the same player. Is Dirk better than Melo? Our stat heads would say definitely, but he’s clearly worse on defense and I think a year ago most NBA watchers would have been relatively split. But now that Dirk has a title in the bag everyone looks at him as better than Carmelo.

      It can also be extremely hard to even say who a teams best player is since as this board proves on a day to day basis that comparing different types of players is still far from a science in the NBA. I’d say Gasol was the best player on the Lakers team that won two years ago but most people would say Kobe. There are certainly plenty of people who would disagree with the idea that Carmelo is the best player on this team.

    54. 2FOR18

      thenamestsam: This can get very tricky because of how dramtically winning a title can alter our perceptions of how good a player is, even if they remain fundamentally the same player. Is Dirk better than Melo? Our stat heads would say definitely, but he’s clearly worse on defense and I think a year ago most NBA watchers would have been relatively split. But now that Dirk has a title in the bag everyone looks at him as better than Carmelo.

      It can also be extremely hard to even say who a teams best player is since as this board proves on a day to day basis that comparing different types of players is still far from a science in the NBA. I’d say Gasol was the best player on the Lakers team that won two years ago but most people would say Kobe.There are certainly plenty of people who would disagree with the idea that Carmelo is the best player on this team.

      It also depends on what you mean by better. Career value or at his best?
      ie Eddie Murray is in the HoF, but at his best, Mattingly was better.
      By any objective measure, Dirk has more value than melo, but melo still has time. At his best, I would take Bernard King over both of them, but his career value’s not even close to Dirk’s or what melo ends up as.
      Kobe may be the 3rd best player on his team right now, and that’s freaking scary.

    55. thenamestsam

      2FOR18: It also depends on what you mean by better.Career value or at his best?
      ie Eddie Murray is in the HoF, but at his best, Mattingly was better.
      By any objective measure, Dirk has more value than melo, but melo still has time.At his best, I would take Bernard King over both of them, but his career value’s not even close to Dirk’s or what melo ends up as.
      Kobe may be the 3rd best player on his team right now, and that’s freaking scary.

      Agreed on all fronts. I think the Melo-Kobe comparisons are an interesting study on the effect of circumstances on careers. If you dump Melo on those Lakers teams with the chance to play with Shaq early in his career, for a legendary coach with defense being preached to him every day I think it makes a huge difference for him, and I think he could have had a career very similar to Kobe. Take Kobe out of that environment and I could easily see him having had a sort of rich man’s Melo career, with a disinterest in defense and lots of gaudy scoring numbers to go with very few playoff series wins.

    56. 2FOR18

      thenamestsam: Agreed on all fronts. I think the Melo-Kobe comparisons are an interesting study on the effect of circumstances on careers. If you dump Melo on those Lakers teams with the chance to play with Shaq early in his career, for a legendary coach with defense being preached to him every day I think it makes a huge difference for him, and I think he could have had a career very similar to Kobe. Take Kobe out of that environment and I could easily see him having had a sort of rich man’s Melo career, with a disinterest in defense and lots of gaudy scoring numbers to go with very few playoff series wins.

      I agree that melo prob would have some rings if you switch his career with Kobe’s, but I don’t agree on the rest. Kobe is wired a certain way (like MJ) that melo isn’t. And I’m not saying that it’s a good thing to be wired like a sociopath, just an observation

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