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Knicks Morning News (Monday, Apr 09 2012)

  • [New York Times] Knicks 100, Bulls 99 (OT): Anthony Has Final Say as Knicks Edge Rose’s Bulls (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:40:10 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony delivered perhaps his biggest shot of the season, a 3-pointer that secured a thrilling overtime victory against Derrick Rose and Chicago.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Knicks Should Focus on Gaining Division, Not Eighth Place (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:50:22 GMT)
    Despite the pleasant memories of eliminating the top-seeded Heat in the 1999 playoffs, the Knicks can’t count on a top-seeded team faltering against them, as the Bulls did on Sunday.

  • [New York Times] Knicks’ Jeremy Lin Is Encouraged by Recovery (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:50:07 GMT)
    Six days after surgery, Jeremy Lin said he nearly had full range of motion in his left knee, but a return to the Knicks is still a ways off.

  • [New York Times] Bulls’ Rose Returns, but the Rust Shows (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 06:30:11 GMT)
    Derrick Rose scored 29 points for Chicago after missing 12 games with an injury, but he shot 8 for 26 and committed 8 turnovers.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Celtics Top 76ers to Increase Atlantic Division Lead (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:50:07 GMT)
    Kevin Garnett scored 20 points and Rajon Rondo dished out double-digit assists for his 17th consecutive game to help lead the Celtics to a 103-79 win over the struggling 76ers on Sunday.

  • [New York Times] Lee Scores 25 in Rockets’ 104-87 Win Over Kings (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:51:14 GMT)
    Courtney Lee scored 19 of his 25 points in the first half, leading the Houston Rockets to a 104-87 victory over the Sacramento Kings on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Durant Scores 23 to Lead Thunder Past Raptors (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:57:16 GMT)
    Kevin Durant scored 23 points and Oklahoma City had a 24-0 run bridging the third and fourth quarters en route to a 91-75 victory over the Toronto Raptors on Sunday night, snapping the Thunder’s season-high three-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Sink Jazz 114-104 to Extend Win Streak to 11 (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:51:23 GMT)
    Tony Parker scored 28 points and the San Antonio Spurs won their 11th straight game, beating the Utah Jazz 114-104 on Sunday night to maintain their slim lead atop the Western Conference.

  • [New York Times] Green, Morrow Lead Nets Past Cavaliers in OT (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:19:16 GMT)
    Gerald Green scored a season-high 32 points, including a clutch 3-pointer with 36.7 seconds left in regulation and a high-flying dunk in overtime, leading the New Jersey Nets to a 122-117 victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Without Wade, Heat Ease Past Pistons, 98-75 (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 00:45:27 GMT)
    LeBron James scored 26 points, Chris Bosh finished with 22 points and nine rebounds, and the Miami Heat steadily pulled away to beat the Detroit Pistons 98-75 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Garnett and Rondo Carry Celtics Over 76ers 103-79 (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 00:30:26 GMT)
    Kevin Garnett scored 20 points and Rajon Rondo dished out double-digit assists for his 17th consecutive game, finishing with 15 to help lead the Boston Celtics to a 103-79 win over the struggling Philadelphia 76ers on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Spurs, Thunder Stay Close in Battle for the Top in the West (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 02:51:25 GMT)
    The San Antonio Spurs stayed mere percentage points in front of Oklahoma City for the Western Conference lead after both teams won Sunday to intensify their battle in the final month of the NBA season.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo carries Knicks past Bulls in OT (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 07:03:29 GMT)
    The Knicks might never see Derrick Rose play this poorly again. The question, though, is can Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks defense be this good when it matters.

  • [New York Daily News] Garden sees Melo bloom as Rose wilts (Mon, 09 Apr 2012 07:02:19 GMT)
    For the Knicks at the Garden on a big day for Mike Woodson’s team, it all came down to Carmelo Anthony’s ability to make ridiculously long 3-pointers in the clutch â?? and Derrick Rose’s inability to match Anthony in his return from a groin injury.

  • 62 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Apr 09 2012)

    1. Gideon Zaga

      LOL feel bad for Deng, he has had the same guy shit game winners on him in back to back years. Now that’s gotta be kind of mentallydamning.

    2. gjknick

      Interesting stat of the day: When Shump is on the court this year the Knicks give up 101.6 points per 100 possessions. When Shump is off the court they give up 100.6. So obviously, this Shump Shump defense if overrated! (Just a bit of sarcasm). So hard to just look at individual stats in basketball – team stats tell a better story. Just the opposite of baseball where individual stats are really meaningful. Basketball is just such a team oriented sport.

    3. villainx

      With folks talking about hero ball in regards to Melo, looked to me that he passed to Novak near the end to give him a shot at the 3, in a great spot too. And his other shots were mostly not the iso heavy, hold the ball for a couple of beats type plays. Was it really hero ball? Or hero ball isn’t necessarily a pejorative?

    4. d-mar

      “One more thing – I know it will never happen but shouldn’t Tyson get some consideration not just for DPOY but also for MVP? Lebron has obviously had an amazing year, but don’t you sort of get the feeling the Heat would be the 2nd seed even if Lebron missed 1/2 the season? The Heat are also 10-1 without Wade this year. Kevin Love is getting some talk because of his #s, but he might not even be the most valuable player on his own team (they’ve fallen apart without Rubio). Durant has been great also and is definitely deserving of consideration. But games like yesterday underscore just how VALUABLE TC is to this team.”

      Frank, I posted something like this on a prior thread. TC has zero chance of even being in the MVP conversation, but in terms of where a team would be without a player, there’s no doubt in my mind that our record would take a bigger hit than Miami without LBJ, OKC without Durant, Chicago without Rose, etc. We got a glimpse of it on that road trip where the Spurs and the Bucks lit us up for 118 and 119 points with TC out of the lineup. Plus he defends centers like D-12 and Hibbert one on one – remember last year where we had guys like Turiaf at the 5 and had to double every serviceable center in the league? Just can’t say enough about this guy, he is the real deal.

    5. gjknick

      I agree that TC is extremely valuable to his team, but MVP is part most valuable player and part best player and part best player on best teams. So subjective and so confusing.

      Knicks got pounded on the boards but I take some concession in that the Bulls have been doing that to everyone – lead the league in Off Reb % by a wide margin – grabbing almost 1/3 of the off boards. Amazing.

    6. villainx

      The MVP ballot gets to include 5 players, right? So I think Tyson deserves to be in the conversation for among the top 5. And personally, defensive impact should get more consideration.

    7. erobes

      villainx:
      The MVP ballot gets to include 5 players, right? So I think Tyson deserves to be in the conversation for among the top 5. And personally, defensive impact should get more consideration.

      I’ve always agreed with that sentiment, though I’m more interested in seeing Chandler get serious DPOY consideration. Really, if you want to look at the intersection of value to the team, quality of team, defensive impact and overall dominance Howard is the one who routinely gets hosed. Seriously, would the magic win 20 games with a replacement-level center? How was he not the choice last year?

    8. TheRant

      It’s the age-old NBA bias, though, for offense over defense.

      The highlight reels always show dunks and not blocked dunks. They show deft crossovers and not deft steals.

      Chandler is absolutely the real deal and arguably the most important pickup for the Knicks this year. And remember that his FG% number isn’t only tops in the NBA, it’s tops by a Rondo-like mile-wide spread.

      But unless the Knicks were atop their division, TC wouldn’t ever come up in MVP discussions.

      It’s sad. But the Playoffs come soon and hopefully remind hoops dilettantes of the import of defense.

    9. DS

      Maybe Tyson will get rewarded another, nice 2nd team All-Defense again this year. :-/ I’m glad that guy got a ring!

      By the way, anyone see that Turiaf may have moved into the starting slot for Miami? That bothers me because it makes me like the Heat better.

    10. hoolahoop

      Woodson has to make a tactical decision. Do the knicks go all out, balls to the wall, to beat Chicago next game, making a statement and fighting to get one up in the race for the division lead to get the four seed? Or, pace the team, give up a game without burning out, and preserve them for the home stretch?

    11. hoolahoop

      I think the knicks should start the game with full force and see if they can gain early dominance. If they can, play to win. If it’s an uphill struggle, play tough, but use a nine man rotation spreading the minutes. Milwaukee is a must win.

    12. johnlocke

      Is that even a question? We need to win every game we can to make the playoffs. It’s going to be a three way race for 2 playoff spots, Philly, us or Bucks are out. If it’s a blow out we rest the players, if it’s not we compete to win…pretty straightforward. Bucks hopefully lose to OKC tonight. FWIW…easiest part of Bucks late schedule is now over. Bucks’ 6 of next 10 is against teams over .500 including OKC, Knicks, Pacers 2x, Philly and Boston.

      hoolahoop:
      Woodson has to make a tactical decision. Do the knicks go all out, balls to the wall, to beat Chicago next game, making a statement and fighting to get one up in the race for the division lead to get the four seed? Or, pace the team, give up a game without burning out, and preserve them for the home stretch?

    13. thenamestsam

      Phenomenal win yesterday. Hollinger playoff odds say we have an 80% chance to get in now, and I think we can do some damage once we get there. If only Lin were healthy we’d really be in business, it just feels like we’re one guard short in the rotation right now. Leads just slip away when Douglas is in there, and it has turned JR into a critical player for us every night. I think he’s better off as a luxury type who you ride when he’s hot and minimize the damage when he’s not (last night).

      What to do about Amare now becomes a critical question in my eyes. I think ideally you make him a bench player who provides the scoring punch for the 2nd unit. The type of swarming aggressive defense that the 1st unit is playing right now just isn’t compatible with his skill set. Can he handle the ego blow of not starting games? Moreover, there are times when I wouldn’t have him finish games either. When Novak or JR is feeling it I’d rather go TC, Melo, Novak/JR (for court stretching), Shump, Baron (Lin when healthy). Melo at the 4 has paid massive dividends, and it’s now clear how Amare fits into that.

    14. johnlocke

      If we can somehow finish 7-3 or better over the next 10, I think that will be good enough to get us 6th or better in the East.

    15. jon abbey

      johnlocke:
      If we can somehow finish 7-3 or better over the next 10, I think that will be good enough to get us 6th or better in the East.

      passing who exactly?

    16. JC Knickfan

      johnlocke:
      If we can somehow finish 7-3 or better over the next 10, I think that will be good enough to get us 6th or better in the East.

      If we go 7-3, Orlando has finish 3-7 for Knicks to get into 6th seed.
      Since Boston has tiebreaker right, they also need finish 3-7 for Knicks to get 4th seed.

    17. gjknick

      thenamestsam: What to do about Amare now becomes a critical question in my eyes. I think ideally you make him a bench player who provides the scoring punch for the 2nd unit. The type of swarming aggressive defense that the 1st unit is playing right now just isn’t compatible with his skill set. Can he handle the ego blow of not starting games? Moreover, there are times when I wouldn’t have him finish games either. When Novak or JR is feeling it I’d rather go TC, Melo, Novak/JR (for court stretching), Shump, Baron (Lin when healthy). Melo at the 4 has paid massive dividends, and it’s now clear how Amare fits into that.

      Not saying this is the most logical way or the best usage but I don’t think Woodson takes Amare out of the starting lineup. There are personalities to manage as well as tactics/strategy. However, just because he plays a few minutes with Melo and Chandler to start the game and the half, doesn’t mean you can’t mix and match the rest of the game so he plays the 4 when Melo is resting and vice a versa. My question is can he play the 5 when Chandler is resting given Amare’s back injury – can he take the pounding?

    18. Cousyfan

      “It depends on how far it goes,’’ Lin said. “I obviously want to come back to 100 percent and then come back and see what I can do. By then it would be a different team with chemistry. So it gets sticky, too.

      “We haven’t set a best case yet,’’ Lin added. “We’re happy with the way things have gone. It’s hard to tell because there’s so much fluid.’’

      Lin said he will run late next week.

      “The cutting and jumping, that’s going to be the tricky part,’’ Lin said.

      Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/lin_can_tell_time_n4LaIS9cuuoiuS5hh7QUYO#ixzz1rYhxAWCq

    19. JK47

      I’ll be surprised if Amar’e steps foot on a basketball court again this season. That “2 to 4 weeks” diagnosis always seemed kind of unrealistically optimistic to me.

      A healthy Jeffries is a better player than a hobbled Amar’e anyway, since the hobbled Amar’e will probably play terrible defense and miss lots of shots, while a healthy Jeffries will at least play great defense and not take too many shots. Amar’e needs to be at full health to have any sort of positive impact. He’s not the kind of player who brings lots of intangibles or smarts to the table– he’s only really helping the team when he’s got his timing down and is making explosive plays. I don’t think the Amar’e we saw for the last 12 games before he got hurt is coming back this season.

    20. JC Knickfan

      Cousyfan:
      “It depends on how far it goes,’’ Lin said. “I obviously want to come back to 100 percent and then come back and see what I can do. By then it would be a different team with chemistry. So it gets sticky, too.

      “We haven’t set a best case yet,’’ Lin added. “We’re happy with the way things have gone. It’s hard to tell because there’s so much fluid.’’

      Lin said he will run late next week.

      “The cutting and jumping, that’s going to be the tricky part,’’ Lin said.

      Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/lin_can_tell_time_n4LaIS9cuuoiuS5hh7QUYO#ixzz1rYhxAWCq

      Every article I read said Lin had repair of meniscus versus Meniscectomy. Meniscectomy recover is usually 2-4 weeks and repairing of meniscus is typical 6 weeks. Repairing is better for long-term health, but look like we will not have him for the playoff without a first round upset.

    21. Frank O.

      Seriously, this idea that the Knicks shouldn’t maybe try here and focus on Bucks there is bunk.
      This is not a team that is consistent enough over time to take anything lightly.
      They need to compete to win against he Bulls, who will be playing their third game in three days Tuesday.
      They will be spoiling to kicks the Knicks ass after the knicks’ comeback, but they also will be a bit tired.
      I expect it will be a tough game.
      Regardless, every single game is important…and it’s important for the team too. At some point Amare is going to get worked in again. This team needs all the reps it can get before the playoffs.
      Philly and Orlando seem to be fading, although Orlando would have to collapse not to make it in. Meanwhile, the Knicks, Hawks, Pacers and the Bucks are hitting a stride going down the stretch.
      Knicks have a tough schedule left.
      After the Bulls and Bucks, they get a homestand of Washington, the Heat and Celts, then @ NJ and Cavs (trap alert), @Hawks, Clips and @ Bobcats.
      Every game is meaningful.
      Hard to say the Knicks are peaking. Without Lin and Amare…

    22. Z

      Frank O.:
      Seriously, this idea that the Knicks shouldn’t maybe try here and focus on Bucks there is bunk.
      This is not a team that is consistent enough over time to take anything lightly.

      Popovich would probably cede the game Tuesday to win the game on Wednesday…

      But, of course, Popovich would never let his team be in a situation where they need to beat the Milwaukee Bucks just to make the playoffs :)

    23. Cousyfan

      JC Knickfan: Every article I read said Lin had repair of meniscus versus Meniscectomy. Meniscectomy recover is usually 2-4 weeks and repairing of meniscus is typical 6 weeks. Repairing is better for long-term health, but look like we will not have him for the playoff without a first round upset.

      You are absolutely right, the repair will take longer but better. Hwoever, I do believe the swelling is the major obstacle. He cannot put much pressure on that knee until the swelling goes down. I hope they can withdraw the fluid with a needle.
      Cheers

    24. hoolahoop

      I expect Chicago to come out with guns blazing. I think the knicks should meet them with full intensity. But, if it’s going to be a grind out game with the knicks trailing by 8-10 points most of the way, Woodson needs to look ahead.
      Sometimes you have to take your foot off the pedal a little to win the race. This is one of the rare times, that MAY be necessary in the NBA. The intense schedule is not letting up. No reason to burn everyone out in a losing effort.
      Ironically, this game is more important for Chicago.

    25. hoolahoop

      Also, the seventh seed is a booby trap. Miami is the one team I dread the knicks facing in the first round.

    26. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      WHAT A WIN.

      I dislike Davis even more than I did before (those nothin’-but-air 3PA were like gut punches), and J.R. Smith needs to go, but that was a hell of a win.

      I still have doubt about Melo being a top-tier NBA player, but his defense was outstanding yesterday. And I’m sold on Shumpert as the starting SG. If he can guard Rose like that, he can guard anyone 6’6″ and under in the NBA. Absolutely amazing. He would be a menace on small forwards who lack a post game, too. Fields is still the superior offensive player, but yeah, I’m a Shump guy now.

      And Chandler will never get it, but he should be an MVP candidate. Without him, this team is probably a high lottery team. Can’t say the same for Amar’e…

    27. johnlocke

      Orlando, Atlanta or Boston are all suspect for various reasons. Orlando (significant injuries to Turk, Ryan Anderson and less than 100% Howard, but turmoil), Atlanta looking at their schedule could go on a losing streak and lose 6 of 9, Boston is playing well but is an older team with a back to back to back all on the road and before that Miami and Atlanta…that’s before playing the Knicks, Heat and Atlanta again… Boston could easily lose 6 or 7 in that stretch. I think whoever ends season with 30 or less losses well primed for 6th or better

      jon abbey: passing who exactly?

    28. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      WHAT A WIN.

      I dislike Davis even more than I did before (those nothin’-but-air 3PA were like gut punches), and J.R. Smith needs to go, but that was a hell of a win.

      I still have doubt about Melo being a top-tier NBA player, but his defense was outstanding yesterday. And I’m sold on Shumpert as the starting SG. If he can guard Rose like that, he can guard anyone 6’6? and under in the NBA. Absolutely amazing. He would be a menace on small forwards who lack a post game, too. Fields is still the superior offensive player, but yeah, I’m a Shump guy now.

      You’re joking right?

    29. ruruland

      JC Knickfan: If we go 7-3, Orlando has finish 3-7 for Knicks to get into 6th seed.
      Since Boston has tiebreaker right, they also need finish 3-7 for Knicks to get 4th seed.

      This team can go 8-2.

    30. Frank

      @30 – I actually think THCJ may actually be serious this time!

      Obviously the rook has only played 49 games in his young career, but it’s getting hard not to get very excited about where his career is headed. He’s got probably a league average TS% since the ASB (53%), shooting 36.4% from 3P range during that time. Other than his defense, the other thing that stands out in the last month + is how much more under control he is playing with only 1.7 TO/36 despite a usage that is probably in the low 20s over this stretch.

      I think Irving will win ROY in a landslide, and players like Isiah Thomas and Rubio will get a lot of votes, but Shump absolutely deserves to be in the top 3. And he didn’t even make the Rookie-Soph game! #FOH

    31. Caleb

      @30 Couldn’t expect that to go without comment!

      @31 Yes, the Knicks final stretch isn’t too tough, opponent-wise. It could get even softer, if Atlanta the Clips have their seeding nailed down by the last 3 games. On the downside, the Knicks are on the road 4 of the last 5.

      Given how far back we are, the Knicks’ best shot at avoiding Chicago or Miami, is to catch Boston. If they beat them head-to-head, that’s 2-2 on the season series. Anyone know what the next tiebreaker is? Boston has a pretty tough final run, so it doesn’t seem impossible. (I’m not counting out Philly, but if the knicks catch Boston they will be ahead of the Sixers).

    32. art vandelay

      johnlocke:
      Is that even a question? We need to win every game we can to make the playoffs. It’s going to be a three way race for 2 playoff spots, Philly, us or Bucks are out. If it’s a blow out we rest the players, if it’s not we compete to win…pretty straightforward.Bucks hopefully lose to OKC tonight. FWIW…easiest part of Bucks late schedule is now over. Bucks’ 6 of next 10 is against teams over .500 including OKC, Knicks, Pacers 2x, Philly and Boston.

      I really don’t think we have the luxury given the early season losses to sub-par competition to just concede games at this point. We need to try to win every one we can…of course, if the game gets out of hand, rest the starters in second half in anticipation of big game against bucks wed. night.

    33. art vandelay

      JC Knickfan: If we go 7-3, Orlando has finish 3-7 for Knicks to get into 6th seed.
      Since Boston has tiebreaker right, they also need finish 3-7 for Knicks to get 4th seed.

      Dwight howard is not playing tonight and doubtful for tomorrow night’s game….hopefully Orlando drops a pair of games (though the competition is light…..detroit and washington) while he is out.

    34. Frank

      I think we have a puncher’s chance of catching Orlando – they have 10 games left, with 6 of them against >.500 teams – ATL, PHI, BOS, Utah, Denver, and Memphis. Howard is out again tonight against Detroit in a game that would’ve been a gimme if he was playing. I don’t think it’s outrageous to think that ORL might go 4-6 over the last 10. Since we have the tiebreaker over Orlando we would need to go 8-2 to catch them for the 6 seed. We’re also 4 back in the L column against ATL but they seem to be playing much better than Orlando – not going to catch them IMO.

      Boston has 10 games left, 7 against +.500 teams, as well as 6 out of 10 on the road. Given how well they are playing, I can’t see them being worse than 4-6 in this stretch, so we’d have to win at least 7 games including the one against them to tie, and then also beat them on divisional record.

      Tiebreakers between 2 teams (per NBA.com) include (in order):
      - head to head record
      - record in division
      - record in conference
      - record against playoff-eligible teams

      Feels like us vs MIA or CHI.

    35. Caleb

      With Orlando’s health issues and general chaos, a total collapse on their part is certainly possible, which would open the door.

      But we’re closer to Boston, and they have a lot of tough games. Even their easy ones are back-to-back-to-back, on the road (Toronto/Jersey/Charlotte).

      Their season-ender vs. Milwaukee could be heavy.

      The Knicks would probably lose a tiebreaker:
      - If Knicks beat Boston, they’d be 2-2 on the season series.

      - Knicks would be 7-6 in division, and Boston would be 7-5. Boston’s other Atlantic games are home vs. Toronto and @Jersey. The Knicks’ only other division game is @Jersey. Unless the Celtics lose both those gimmes, the Knicks won’t do better than tie here.

      - vs. Conference, Knicks are 4 back in the loss column – even if they make up the 3 games to tie, they probably lose on this count.

    36. Frank

      @37 – so really we are just as far behind the Celts as the Magic since we need to win the division outright (not tie).

      I’d love to get the 6 seed – I have a fair amount of confidence we could come through against Indiana, that last 4th quarter against them notwithstanding.

    37. Caleb

      Great read here.”>here. A paen to the 18-foot jump shot. It raises more questions than answers, but with some statistical work points out that “inefficient” players sometimes help an offense.

    38. johnlocke

      Yes, interesting article. Highlights what we were talking about here a week or two back regarding how Field’s unwillingness to shoot when open (even though it helps his TS% numbers) hurts the team. Now granted, I’m not saying that he should be shooting, but rather having a player out there, for example, Shumpert who commands some defensive respect from 3pt land and is unafraid to take open shots really helps an offense in many ways that stats as they exist today, often miss.

      Caleb:
      Great read <a href="<a href=" http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7791774/nba-midrange-game-case-good-inefficiency” rel=”nofollow”>here.”>here. A paen to the 18-foot jump shot. It raises more questions than answers, but with some statistical work points out that “inefficient” players sometimes help an offense.

    39. Frank

      Caleb:
      Great read <a href="<a href=" http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7791774/nba-midrange-game-case-good-inefficiency” rel=”nofollow”>here.”>here. A paen to the 18-foot jump shot. It raises more questions than answers, but with some statistical work points out that “inefficient” players sometimes help an offense.

      What? you mean that just looking at B-R doesn’t reveal everything about a player? =)

      As jonabbey mentioned somewhere in the last thread – we are seriously in the middle ages of basketball statistics.

      actually on that note – there was a very interesting podcast last week (ESPN NBA Today podcast 4/6 with Henry Abbott) – the guest was a guy named Justin Rao who I guess is an economist of some sort, and presented some papers at Sloan — podcast talked about how he thinks there IS such a thing as “clutch” – even statistically speaking – and also spent some time talking about the statistical revolution that is coming with Sportvu technology (that’s the thing with all the cameras in the arena that see everything – player position, ball position, ref position – in real time).

    40. jon abbey

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Fields is still the superior offensive player

      haha, no.

      you were right thus far about Baron being awful, though, although I don’t think for the right reasons (health more than skill IMO).

    41. Ben R

      jon abbey: you were right thus far about Baron being awful, though, although I don’t think for the right reasons (health more than skill IMO).

      I think Baron’s struggles have been a combination of both. Some players like Ray Allen for example age well because they have high BBIQ’s and have always relied on both talent/athletic ability and saavy play. So when their talent/athletic ability starts to fade they can still be effective by being smart and selective about their shots and openings. Baron has always had a lot more talent/athletic ability then BBIQ as evidenced by his poor shooting numbers throughout his career.

      Now that he is not faster and more athletic than his opponents he cannot simply dribble the ball until there is an opening and make good things happen and he is not saavy enough to adjust and still be effective.

    42. Frank O.

      jon abbey: haha, no.

      you were right thus far about Baron being awful, though, although I don’t think for the right reasons (health more than skill IMO).

      The thing that seems so disturbing about Baron are the mental errors. Some things he’s just not seeing, and should see. I guess some could be physical. But he’s making some horrible passes that seem obviously misguided.

    43. jon abbey

      Baron was very effective as recently as last year, I have to think it’s mostly health.

    44. Z

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:

      I still have doubt about Melo being a top-tier NBA player, but his defense was outstanding yesterday. And I’m sold on Shumpert as the starting SG. If he can guard Rose like that, he can guard anyone 6’6? and under in the NBA. Absolutely amazing. He would be a menace on small forwards who lack a post game, too. Fields is still the superior offensive player, but yeah, I’m a Shump guy now.

      I also read today that Rick Santorum finally got around to reading the details of Obamacare and decided he was “now sold on it”.

    45. Frank O.

      I have been a big Landry booster, but I am mystified by his play.
      I still think he is a very creative slasher and he can get to the hoop fairly consistently, but even that skill is diminished by his inability to consistently hit his FTs.
      If he took advantage of his driving ability and could shoot the FT, he’d be pretty valuable. But right now, he’s struggling. He’s improved some lately, but it’s not consistent.
      I also think Woodson is right about his confidence. When he is decisive, he’s pretty good. But there are times when he’s doubtful, and that happens more often than it should this season.

    46. Frank O.

      jon abbey:
      Baron was very effective as recently as last year, I have to think it’s mostly health.

      …and, again, little practice time.

    47. Bruno Almeida

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      WHAT A WIN.

      I dislike Davis even more than I did before (those nothin’-but-air 3PA were like gut punches), and J.R. Smith needs to go, but that was a hell of a win.

      I still have doubt about Melo being a top-tier NBA player, but his defense was outstanding yesterday. And I’m sold on Shumpert as the starting SG. If he can guard Rose like that, he can guard anyone 6’6? and under in the NBA. Absolutely amazing. He would be a menace on small forwards who lack a post game, too. Fields is still the superior offensive player, but yeah, I’m a Shump guy now.

      And Chandler will never get it, but he should be an MVP candidate. Without him, this team is probably a high lottery team. Can’t say the same for Amar’e…

      it’s amazing about Chandler, the guy is absolutely terrific.

      and I hate Davis too, and I’m sorry, but it’s impossible to say it’s all about his health… if he’s not healthy, which definitely seems to be the case, then why is he chucking stupid shots all the time? why is he even attempting 3 pointers?

      if he’s not healthy, he should be able, being a veteran of more than 10 years in this league, that he should stick to what he can do, which is move the ball, run the pick and roll sometimes and find the open man.

      to keep shooting like that when he isn’t healthy enough to do it just shows that he’s not smart enough to adjust his play style to what’s needed from him.

    48. JRGold32

      I think that when Amar’e does come back he will be a starter. In the same capacity that Landry Fields is a “starter” though.

    49. Garson

      I think where Baron is lacking is that he needs to adjust his game to become more of a crafty player as opposed to the athletic one he has made a name for himself.

      Kind of like Billups makes a living at drawing cheap fouls … Baron needs to find a smart way to make himself as effective as can be. He has shown some vision, and ability to finish close to the rim when he beats his man (hasnt happened much ) so i still have some hope.

    50. Juany8

      I love Chandler too, but no one should be getting MVP if they can’t make a basket outside two feet and have literally zero post game (OKC posts up Perkins way more than the Knicks post up Chandler) Hell if Melo is playing like he has the last few games I’d say he’s the Knicks best player. That being said, no big man should be MVP if he sucks at defense either, I’d take Chandler over Kevin Love any day

    51. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

      Are you kidding me Kevin Love is a beast. he is a potential 30 pts 20 rebounds man, thats insane, never in the game of basketball, except in the days of wilt has that been done!!!!!!! i would take Love for Chandler any day especially since hes young. he has the potential to put up Jordan number in points and Rodman numbers in rebounds. if you ask me who cares if he doesn’t play solid defense which is more of a mindset than a skill and can be covered by all around team defense. i mean this guy put up 31 points and 31 rebounds on the knicks last year and single handily won the game with his shooting in the 4th quarter. IMO he is amazing and has a skill set thats incredible. hes a 6″10 big solid power forward that can shoot the three and grab many rebounds case closed.

    52. johnlocke

      Keep an eye out (no pun intended) on Orlando free fall…

      Dwight out with a bad back..never a good sign for big guy. Hedo out for season.

      “Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy made the announcement Monday, adding that forwards Ryan Anderson (ankle) and Quentin Richardson (sore back) are questionable. Hedo Turkoglu (eye) is out for the regular season” – ESPN

    53. art vandelay

      johnlocke:
      Keep an eye out(no pun intended) on Orlando free fall…

      Dwight out with a bad back..never a good sign for big guy. Hedo out for season.

      “Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy made the announcement Monday, adding that forwards Ryan Anderson (ankle) and Quentin Richardson (sore back) are questionable. Hedo Turkoglu (eye) is out for the regular season” – ESPN

      So much for Orlando freefall (at least for tonight)….they are pounding Detroit by over 22 in first half without Dwight and Turk.

    54. ruruland

      Losses like that have a tendency to linger. Really good to face a team after it gets dominated like this, they can sort of lose a lot of belief.

      Hope OKC really pours it on.

    55. johnlocke

      They are! OKC up 24. Jennings has one assist and Ellis shooting 3/12.

      Detroit is really bad and Orlando did shoot 15/28 from three. That’s not happening every night against good teams

      ruruland:
      Losses like that have a tendency to linger. Really good to face a team after it gets dominated like this, they can sort of lose a lot of belief.

      Hope OKC really pours it on.

    56. Doug

      LMNYKFAN4LIFE:
      Are you kidding me Kevin Love is a beast. he is a potential 30 pts 20 rebounds man, thats insane, never in the game of basketball, except in the days of wilt has that been done!!!!!!! i would take Love for Chandler any day especially since hes young. he has the potential to put up Jordan number in points and Rodman numbers in rebounds. if you ask me who cares if he doesn’t play solid defense which is more of a mindset than a skill and can be covered by all around team defense. i mean this guy put up 31 points and 31 rebounds on the knicks last year and single handily won the game with his shooting in the 4th quarter. IMO he is amazing and has a skill set thats incredible. hes a 6?10 big solid power forward that can shoot the three and grab many rebounds case closed.

      You would seriously trade Chandler for Love?

    57. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

      Doug: You would seriously trade Chandler for Love?

      in a heart beat the mans a beast and you save on cap space i believe. he has many more years to go and has tremendous upside. he also plays decent defense only problem is we have amare and i would take amare and chandler in a heart for the next three years. on the other hand, i would take love for the long term. trust me he will be better than Nowitzki he has a post game can shoot the three and is a rebounding demon. IMHO he is the 3 best pf in the game.

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