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Thursday, April 24, 2014

Knicks Morning News (Monday, Apr 08 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks streak at 12 with win over Thunder (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 05:20:28 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony scored 36 points and J.R. Smith hit two huge shots down the stretch to lead the Knicks to their 12th straight win, a hard-earned 125-120 victory over the Oklahoma City Thunder.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Kenyon eyes MSG return (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 04:43:45 GMT)
    Kenyon Martin missed his second straight game with soreness in his left knee, but is shooting for a return Tuesday when the Knicks play Washington at the Garden. Martin and Mike Woodson both said he was not available for precautionary reasons, but would have played if Sunday had been a playoff game.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Cool in clutch, Knicks are now hot stuff (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 03:42:08 GMT)
    Somebody scrawled a big 50 in blue marker on the greaseboard in the visiting locker room on Sunday, signifying the landmark victory the Knicks recorded when they outgunned the Oklahoma City Thunder. As impressive as that might be for a franchise that had been racking up 50-loss seasons with alarming regularity not so long ago, it’s the way the Knicks won this game that might serve them well in the long run.

  • [New York Daily News] With NBA, close shave for Shumpert (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 03:31:44 GMT)
    Iman Shumpert’s latest hair style may be a big hit with his friends at Adidas, but the NBA isn’t amused. Shumpert, who appears in a national ad campaign for the shoe company, tweeted two photos Sunday on his Instagram account.

  • [New York Times] Mavericks Hold On for 96-91 Win Over Portland (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 04:49:03 GMT)
    Those beards aren’t coming off yet.

  • [New York Times] Hornets Send Suns to Record 7th Straight Home Loss (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 04:13:09 GMT)
    Anthony Davis scored 20 points, Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson added 17 apiece and the New Orleans Hornets handed the Phoenix Suns their franchise-record seventh consecutive home loss, 95-92 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Hawks’ Kyle Korver Takes a Low-Key Approach to 3-Point Streak (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 03:39:20 GMT)
    Atlanta’s Kyle Korver has made at least one 3-pointer in 70 straight games, fourth most in league history. His 45.5 percent accuracy is second in the N.B.A.

  • [New York Times] Jazz Top Warriors 97-90, Regain 8th Spot in West (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 02:37:03 GMT)
    Mo Williams scored 25 points, Al Jefferson added 19 points and 12 rebounds, and the Utah Jazz regained the Western Conference’s final playoff position by holding off the Golden State Warriors 97-90 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Pistons End 18-Game Losing Streak to Bulls (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 02:13:03 GMT)
    Brandon Knight scored 20 points Sunday night to help the Detroit Pistons snap an 18-game losing streak against the Chicago Bulls with a 99-85 victory Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Roundup: Clippers Beat Lakers and Clinch First Division Title (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:50:12 GMT)
    Blake Griffin had 24 points and 12 rebounds as the Clippers sealed the Pacific Division title and set their sights on a larger goal.

  • [New York Times] Conley Carries Grizzlies Past Kings, 89-87 (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:16:13 GMT)
    Mike Conley scored 25 points, making the go-ahead basket with 30 seconds left and leading the Memphis Grizzlies to an 89-87 victory over the struggling Sacramento Kings on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Gee, Thompson Lead Cavaliers Past Magic, 91-85 (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:13:31 GMT)
    Alonzo Gee scored 19 points and the Cleveland Cavaliers rallied in the fourth quarter to beat the Orlando Magic 91-85 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Garnett, Pierce Return, Help Celts Beat Wizards (Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:10:15 GMT)
    Brandon Bass scored 20 points and the Boston Celtics, helped by the return of Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce, beat the Washington Wizards 107-96 Sunday night.

  • 110 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Monday, Apr 08 2013)

    1. Hubert Davis

      I may be inching back on the Celtics for the 6 seed bandwagon now that Garnett & Pierce are back. If the C’s beat Brooklyn at home Wednesday and the Hawks lose at Philadelphia, C’s are 0.5 games out.

      And as therapeutic as beating the Celtics in round 1 would be, I’ll take a 4 game sweep of the Hawks all day.

    2. Frank

      @1 – interestingly — the Celts are 2-0 against Indy this year (one win with and without Rondo)– maybe they really do want to avoid us this year!

    3. elikint

      Lack of national attention/recognition on espn etc right now for our streak is crazy. Eager to see playoff predictions…

    4. Juany8

      elikint:
      Lack of national attention/recognition on espn etc right now for our streak is crazy. Eager to see playoff predictions…

      Remember, pre season predictions were that the Knicks would be something like the 6th seed. Everyone was picking Boston and Brooklyn to win the Atlantic. Must be embarrassing to admit that their absurd bias was behind their decision instead of even the most remote logic. This team would have won 55 if not for injuries in the middle of the season to… Freaking everyone lol

    5. Hubert Davis

      elikint:
      Lack of national attention/recognition on espn etc right now for our streak is crazy. Eager to see playoff predictions…

      Eh. They’re all caught up in that amateur tournament.

      One half of yesterday’s game at OKC had more entertainment for me than that entire tournament, btw.

    6. Hubert Davis

      Frank:
      @1 – interestingly — the Celts are 2-0 against Indy this year (one win with and without Rondo)– maybe they really do want to avoid us this year!

      It will be interesting. I think they will be in a position on the last day of the season where, if they win in Toronto on the second night of a back to back, they will move up and get the 6 seed.

      We’ll know if they care who they play by whatever lineup they send out that day.

      I personally don’t think they care if they get us or the Pacers and they will rest everyone that day, which is why Atlanta is probably still likely to get the 6 seed.

    7. WeirdJohn

      I’m pretty psyched. If things work out over the next 3 games, that game against Indiana may not mean squat for seeding. We are up 3 games in the loss column, so winning the next 3 games would clinch the 2 seed.

    8. d-mar

      Hubert Davis: Eh.They’re all caught up in that amateur tournament.

      One half of yesterday’s game at OKC had more entertainment for me than that entire tournament, btw.

      I have a half-hearted interest in March Madness, but watched most of that Louisville-WS game. Some of the ugliest hoops I’ve seen in quite a while, and it wasn’t about the defense (which as we all know they only play in college, not the NBA) but the bricked shots, missed layups and lack of a single player with any kind of polished post game.

      College hoops was sooo much better before the one and done era.

    9. lavor postell

      d-mar: I have a half-hearted interest in March Madness, but watched most of that Louisville-WS game. Some of the ugliest hoops I’ve seen in quite a while, and it wasn’t about the defense (which as we all know they only play in college, not the NBA) but the bricked shots, missed layups and lack of a single player with, any kind of polished post game.

      College hoops was sooo much better before the one and done era.

      As a Michigan alum this entire March run has been glorious for me especially after being inundated with information about VCU’s “Havoc”, Withey talking shit about Mcgary and then the media orgy over Cuse’s zone defense. That being said the Knicks’ winning streak and especially yesterday’s incredible win in OKC has my full interest more than Michigan basketball can ever hope to capture even given that whole national championship thing being on the line tonight.

    10. johnno

      d-mar: College hoops was sooo much better before the one and done era.

      It fascinates me that there are still people who think that the college game is better than the NBA. The only thing that I can figure is that they either are completely blinded by their anti-NBA bias or they haven’t watched an NBA game in 20 years. I seldom watch college basketball but, whenever I do, my reaction is the same — this is brutally bad basketball.

      On another note, it cracks me up that there are some people who try to argue with a straight face that Britney Griner could play in the NBA. I watched the second half of her last game and saw her being effectively guarded by 6’1″ women. She plays the same position as Tyson Chandler, yet she is the same height as Melo and the same weight as Felton. But she can dunk! My nephew is in 7th grade. Last week, a kid on the other team dunked in a 7th grade rec league game…

    11. lavor postell

      johnno: It fascinates me that there are still people who think that the college game is better than the NBA.The only thing that I can figure is that they either are completely blinded by their anti-NBA bias or they haven’t watched an NBA game in 20 years.I seldom watch college basketball but, whenever I do, my reaction is the same — this is brutally bad basketball.

      Half of it is this nonsense that gets spouted about the purity of the game and how hard the kids try all the time. My response to that? Michigan lost to Penn fucking State this year, a team that would probably get smoked by any reputed high school program.

      Also when they say shit like that during the NCAA tournament it makes no sense. Obviously everybody’s trying really hard in the single game elimination tournament that determines a national championship. And what really kills me is the 35 second shot clock. It really is far too long and it allows teams like Wisconsin to shorten the game to an unhealthy level.

    12. thenamestsam

      Juany8: Remember, pre season predictions were that the Knicks would be something like the 6th seed. Everyone was picking Boston and Brooklyn to win the Atlantic. Must be embarrassing to admit that their absurd bias was behind their decision instead of even the most remote logic. This team would have won 55 if not for injuries in the middle of the season to… Freaking everyone lol

      I hate to break up the “ESPN doesn’t respect the Knicks” party but ESPN picked the Knicks to win the Atlantic and finish the 3rd in the East. Picked them for 49-50 wins which will end up being low but is hardly absurd. I didn’t see any preseason picks that expected the Knicks to be way out of it in the Atlantic – basically everyone expected it to be a close race amongst Boston, Philly, Nets and the Knicks, and while Philly obviously fell out of it when Bynum played 0 games and Boston has predictably dissapointed in the regular season for the 124th consecutive season until like a week ago it basically was a close race between the Knicks and Nets with the Knicks on pace for the high 40s win total most analysts predicted. I don’t see any evidence of some kind of systemic bias here.

      That said…our current streak does deserve more attention. Partially our issue is following so closely on the heels of the Heat’s monster streak everyone is a little burned out on streaks.

    13. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Agreed, johnno, on both counts. I hate the 35 second shot-clock with a passion but I can’t help but wonder if most of those teams need it to actually get a decent shot attempt up. In the NBA, as I’ve argued tirelessly on this site, most PG/SG/SF and even PF can jack up a decent-looking 20-footer with a hand in their face, and while some players are better at that shot than others, you’re not going to see nearly as many awful shots as you do in the college game. (In fact, we reserve special attention for players like Andre Drummond and Andray Blatche who are physically dominant yet cannot seem to hit solid matter from the FT line.)

      If Griner plays a minute in the NBDL, it will be a publicity stunt. There’s no possible way that she could play NBA basketball. Her body is impressive (wingspan larger than Bynum’s!) but she would get destroyed by any team in the NCAA-M tournament. I can’t even imagine what would happen if you put someone who eats up poor defenders against her. I think LeBron could score 80 if he were allowed to post her up for thirty minutes. I think it was Lisa Leslie who, in an interview with some woman from ESPN, was asked, “Do you think women will ever play in the NBA?” She replied with something akin to, “Never. The male game is too physically dominant, too exhausting, and too long.” The interviewer looked like Leslie had just denied the Holocaust. Great television.

    14. thenamestsam

      lavor postell: Half of it is this nonsense that gets spouted about the purity of the game and how hard the kids try all the time.My response to that?Michigan lost to Penn fucking State this year, a team that would probably get smoked by any reputed high school program.

      Also when they say shit like that during the NCAA tournament it makes no sense.Obviously everybody’s trying really hard in the single game elimination tournament that determines a national championship.And what really kills me is the 35 second shot clock.It really is far too long and it allows teams like Wisconsin to shorten the game to an unhealthy level.

      35 second shot clock is pretty much the worst thing ever and really masks how inept a lot of the teams are offensively because defenses just get worn down trying to guard for that long. Teams will run like 3 different actions that don’t work, back the ball out and still have 10 seconds to set something up. When I hear people say “At least they play defense in college” I always think my head is going to explode. It’s a lot easier to play defense when nobody can get their own shot and nobody can bend the defense and force help.

      Oh, and how about those college refs? Anything that can actually make you pine for NBA refereeing is pretty special.

    15. d-mar

      It’s not a good sign for college basketball when the highest level of interest is the first 2 days of the tournament, namely because a) people hope for that crazy upset of a 15 seed over a 2 seed, and b) everyone still has a chance in their bracket pool. Once it settles in to 2 seeds vs. 3 seeds, it’s just not that interesting any more.

      And I agree about the 35 second shot clock, if I had these games on DVR, I’d fast forward through the first 25 seconds of every possession.

    16. jon abbey

      yeah, those Saturday games were tightly contested and kind of exciting, but a lot of horrendous basketball in both.

    17. thenamestsam

      d-mar:
      It’s not a good sign for college basketball when the highest level of interest is the first 2 days of the tournament, namely because a) people hope for that crazy upset of a 15 seed over a 2 seed, and b) everyone still has a chance in their bracket pool. Once it settles in to 2 seeds vs. 3 seeds, it’s just not that interesting any more.

      And I agree about the 35 second shot clock, if I had these games on DVR, I’d fast forward through the first 25 seconds of every possession.

      And a lot of the first 2 days of the tournament buzz is specifically because the level of play is low. Part of the reason there’s so much drama is because teams in the lead are constantly finding new and creative ways to screw things up. You almost don’t realize how expertly most NBA teams handle late game situations until you watch some college hoops. You see more missed late game free throws, backcourt turnovers, 5 second violations, and complete defensive breakdowns on day 1 of the tourney than you’d see in a month in the NBA. The “chaos” that everyone loves is just a product of 16 poorly played, coached and officiated basketball games happening on the same day.

    18. lavor postell

      thenamestsam: 35 second shot clock is pretty much the worst thing ever and really masks how inept a lot of the teams are offensively because defenses just get worn down trying to guard for that long. Teams will run like 3 different actions that don’t work, back the ball out and still have 10 seconds to set something up. When I hear people say “At least they play defense in college” I always think my head is going to explode. It’s a lot easier to play defense when nobody can get their own shot and nobody can bend the defense and force help.

      Oh, and how about those college refs? Anything that can actually make you pine for NBA refereeing is pretty special.

      Honestly how many charges can you call in one game? Half the problem is they call the game so differently from conference to conference so when you get to the tournament you’ll get a PAC-12 crew officiating a game between a Big East and Big Ten team. Doesn’t make any sense.

      Re-watching yesterday’s game and the treatment Melo gets from the referees is a complete joke. You got to love his mentality though yesterday constantly finishing on his paint forays through sheer force of will. Durant is a great scorer, but it would actually be hilarious to watch him play in the 90′s trying to get free throw attempts by flailing his arms around like Gumby. Melo’s game would I think work in almost any era of the game. Not trying to say Durant isn’t great because he absolutely is, just my perspective on how much the game has changed.

    19. llcoolbp

      Lets call it wat it is. There is a direct undercurrent of racism linked to the irrational popularity of college basketball, and irrational hatred of the nba. The casual fan eats up the media portrayal of the nba as full of broke, selfish thugs, with multiple children. Whereas college basketball is the last bastion of purity and competition. It’s hogwash, but the media and the public perpetuate it. I for one cannot wait for the college basketball season to end. The last time I had interest in college basketball was from the mid 80′s to the early 90′s. The quality of play has dropped off considerably since.

    20. lavor postell

      llcoolbp:
      Lets call it wat it is. There is a direct undercurrent of racism linked to the irrational popularity of college basketball, and irrational hatred of the nba. The casual fan eats up the media portrayal of the nba as full of broke, selfish thugs, with multiple children. Whereas college basketball is the last bastion of purity and competition. It’s hogwash, but the media and the public perpetuate it. I for one cannot wait for the college basketball season to end. The last time I had interest in college basketball was from the mid 80?s to the early 90?s. The quality of play has dropped off considerably since.

      Denying this would just be naive. Well put.

    21. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      thenamestsam: And a lot of the first 2 days of the tournament buzz is specifically because the level of play is low. Part of the reason there’s so much drama is because teams in the lead are constantly finding new and creative ways to screw things up. You almost don’t realize how expertly most NBA teams handle late game situations until you watch some college hoops. You see more missed late game free throws, backcourt turnovers, 5 second violations, and complete defensive breakdowns on day 1 of the tourney than you’d see in a month in the NBA. The “chaos” that everyone loves is just a product of 16 poorly played, coached and officiated basketball games happening on the same day.

      My favorite is when a team is up by 10 with five minutes left and they take a shot with 25 seconds remaining on the shot clock. It makes me about as mad as teams kicking field goals inside the opponents’ ten-yard line.

    22. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      llcoolbp:
      Lets call it wat it is. There is a direct undercurrent of racism linked to the irrational popularity of college basketball, and irrational hatred of the nba. The casual fan eats up the media portrayal of the nba as full of broke, selfish thugs, with multiple children. Whereas college basketball is the last bastion of purity and competition. It’s hogwash, but the media and the public perpetuate it. I for one cannot wait for the college basketball season to end. The last time I had interest in college basketball was from the mid 80?s to the early 90?s. The quality of play has dropped off considerably since.

      The NCAA would be Upton Sinclair’s wet dream. The level of exploitation in that system, of deferred responsibility and culpability — it would make a great season six for The Wire.

    23. lavor postell

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: The NCAA would be Upton Sinclair’s wet dream. The level of exploitation in that system, of deferred responsibility and culpability — it would make a great season six for The Wire.

      Call David Simon right now please

    24. lavor postell

      I hate Skip Bayless but in some sick way it’s nice that he has this strange man love for Carmelo and the Knicks. Pretty much the only guy who’s openly talked about how much he likes the talent on this team over the last 2 seasons.

    25. Hubert Davis

      I just read yesterday’s game thread. You guys are the best. I hope we win a championship just so I can see if y’all spend the next three hours arguing over which statistical method best demonstrates who was more important to the cause while I’m drunk out of mind running through the streets of NYC.

    26. Kurt

      llcoolbp: AMEN! Also keep in mind that just about all of the big name college coaches are white, and that they have complete power over the lives of their charges. They’re the ones who get much more recognition and get to display their personality.

      Those same people say that NBA players are “selfish” “thugs.”

      Even funnier is when they say that they don’t have the fundamentals, when the white guy from Michigan shoots FT’s worse than Shaq and Howard combined.

      llcoolbp: in other news, how can I get in touch with you to arrange for a Knicks playoff watching party in NOLA?

    27. Kurt

      one final rant: even the Bobcats would totally destroy a simple 2-3 zone like Syracuse’s, even without having a whole week to practice like Michigan had. Any NBA team that uses zone mixes up the coverages and alternates between zone and man. defenses are much more sophisticated in the NBA than college, but obviously the college purists are too ignorant of basketball, too slow to follow the nuances of NBA, or just displaying their bigotry, as llcoolbp said.

      If you watch carefully you’d see the Knicks in one half of the Thunders game had more ball movement than displayed in the entire tournament.

    28. Hubert Davis

      WeirdJohn:
      I’m pretty psyched.If things work out over the next 3 games, that game against Indiana may not mean squat for seeding.We are up 3 games in the loss column, so winning the next 3 games would clinch the 2 seed.

      If we win the next 3 and Indiana win the next 2:

      NY: 53-26
      IND: 50-29

      With 3 games to go, and IND would own tiebreaker if they beat us. So that won’t clinch it.

      Magic number is 4.

    29. DRed

      Hubert Davis:
      I just read yesterday’s game thread.You guys are the best.I hope we win a championship just so I can see if y’all spend the next three hours arguing over which statistical method best demonstrates who was more important to the cause while I’m drunk out of mind running through the streets of NYC.

      Haha. If we win a title I’ll take at least a night off from arguing. Probably.

    30. Hubert Davis

      lavor postell: As a Michigan alum this entire March run has been glorious for me especially after being inundated with information about VCU’s “Havoc”, Withey talking shit about Mcgary and then the media orgy over Cuse’s zone defense.That being said the Knicks’ winning streak and especially yesterday’s incredible win in OKC has my full interest more than Michigan basketball can ever hope to capture even given that whole national championship thing being on the line tonight.

      Your team has been the only one I’ve found remotely interesting, and it’s mostly because I still have an affinity for Michigan after falling for the Fab 5 as a teenager.

      Good luck tonight.

    31. jon abbey

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: The NCAA would be Upton Sinclair’s wet dream. The level of exploitation in that system, of deferred responsibility and culpability — it would make a great season six for The Wire.

      here’s something we can agree on, my freshman comp research paper (in 1984, yikes) was arguing that the NCAA should pay players and not continue the charade of forcing them all to attend classes (they should be allowed if they want), affiliated semi-pro teams. almost 30 years later, nothing has changed.

    32. llcoolbp

      Kurt:
      llcoolbp: AMEN! Also keep in mind that just about all of the big name college coaches are white, and that they have complete power over the lives of their charges. They’re the ones who get much more recognition and get to display their personality.

      Hi Kurt so you are a Yankee transplant like me in NOLA? My email is docpatel75@aol.com. We should set something up.

      Those same people say that NBA players are “selfish” “thugs.”

      Even funnier is when they say that they don’t have the fundamentals, when the white guy from Michigan shoots FT’s worse than Shaq and Howard combined.

      llcoolbp: in other news, how can I get in touch with you to arrange for a Knicks playoff watching party in NOLA?

    33. Hubert Davis

      There is something wrong if there is a meetup in NOLA planned for the playoffs but not one in NY.

      The city is going to be ripe with Johnny Come Lately Knicks fans this Spring. Wouldn’t be so bad if there was a group here set up.

      I recall going to a meet up a while back that Mike K set up for the season opener in 2010. Wouldn’t mind having a regular spot for these playoffs.

      I’m happy to help organize.

      If we guarantee RuRu and either Owen or THCJ, we could probably charge $10 a head.

    34. thenamestsam

      jon abbey: here’s something we can agree on, my freshman comp research paper (in 1984, yikes) was arguing that the NCAA should pay players and not continue the charade of forcing them all to attend classes (they should be allowed if they want), affiliated semi-pro teams. almost 30 years later, nothing has changed.

      If you’re going to do that though why maintain the affiliation at all? I fully agree that it’s time to acknowledge that the kids playing big-time D-1 basketball are not “amateurs” in any true sense of the word. But the idea of having a semi-professional basketball team composed of non-students associated with, say, the University of Michigan just seems confusing to me. At that point how is the basketball team even indirectly supporting UMich’s goals as an institution, which are, according to their website:

      “The mission of the University of Michigan is to serve the people of Michigan and the world through preeminence in creating, communicating, preserving and applying knowledge, art, and academic values, and in developing leaders and citizens who will challenge the present and enrich the future.”

      I think the ideal solution would be to eliminate the connection between colleges and big time athletics entirely. Ah these schools, basketball and football teams which should be a small part of an academic institution designed to allow students (not student-athletes, but plain old students) to develop non-academic parts of their lives (akin to the Shakespeare troupe or the jazz choir) have become bigger and more important than anything else. The whole system is ass backwards.

    35. lavor postell

      thenamestsam: If you’re going to do that though why maintain the affiliation at all? I fully agree that it’s time to acknowledge that the kids playing big-time D-1 basketball are not “amateurs” in any true sense of the word. But the idea of having a semi-professional basketball team composed of non-students associated with, say, the University of Michigan just seems confusing to me. At that point how is the basketball team even indirectly supporting UMich’s goals as an institution, which are, according to their website:

      “The mission of the University of Michigan is to serve the people of Michigan and the world through preeminence in creating, communicating, preserving and applying knowledge, art, and academic values, and in developing leaders and citizens who will challenge the present and enrich the future.”

      I think the ideal solution would be to eliminate the connection between colleges and big time athletics entirely. Ah these schools, basketball and football teams which should be a small part of an academic institution designed to allow students (not student-athletes, but plain old students) to develop non-academic parts of their lives (akin to the Shakespeare troupe or the jazz choir) have become bigger and more important than anything else. The whole system is ass backwards.

      The European soccer model have much better setups in this regard. They essentially train with these clubs usually on a daily basis starting at around 12, though sometimes much younger even. They are also given a really good high school education, especially the English and German clubs, and even those that don’t make it in the highest club levels can often times make a living for awhile playing in lower divisions. Most of these soccer players who don’t make it and/or flame out after a few years often tend to become successful working class professionals.

    36. johnno

      thenamestsam: I think the ideal solution would be to eliminate the connection between colleges and big time athletics entirely. Ah these schools, basketball and football teams which should be a small part of an academic institution designed to allow students (not student-athletes, but plain old students) to develop non-academic parts of their lives (akin to the Shakespeare troupe or the jazz choir) have become bigger and more important than anything else. The whole system is ass backwards.

      Step one — Open bottle
      Step two — Reinsert genie
      Step three — Put top back on bottle
      Sigh…Unfortunately, college sports will never go back to what they should be. Read John Feinstein’s “The Last Amateurs” about a season in the Patriot League, and pine for the good old days…

    37. Hubert Davis

      Fuck it. If I’m not stepping on anyone’s toes (i.e. someone was already planning this), I’d like to go ahead and organize a meetup for the Pacers game Sunday afternoon, with an eye on keeping that location as a regular spot for the playoffs.

      Anyone interested, email me at HubertDavisKB@gmail.com. By Friday I’ll send an email back to everyone with a location. And let me know where you’re coming from, so I don’t end up picking a place on the west side for a bunch of people in Brooklyn.

    38. lavor postell

      Hubert Davis:
      Fuck it.If I’m not stepping on anyone’s toes (i.e. someone was already planning this), I’d like to go ahead and organize a meetup for the Pacers game Sunday afternoon, with an eye on keeping that location as a regular spot for the playoffs.

      Anyone interested, email me at HubertDavisKB@gmail.com.By Friday I’ll send an email back to everyone with a location.And let me know where you’re coming from, so I don’t end up picking a place on the west side for a bunch of people in Brooklyn.

      I love Ann Arbor but man I need to get back to New York at some point soon. I will be in town end of May around Memorial Day time. If the Knicks are still playing basketball *knock on wood* I would definitely want to meet up with people.

      Hubert Davis:

      If we guarantee RuRu and either Owen or THCJ, we could probably charge $10 a head.

      I think you’re selling it a bit short there. I’d throw a 20 on that.

    39. thenamestsam

      johnno: Step one — Open bottle
      Step two — Reinsert genie
      Step three — Put top back on bottle
      Sigh…Unfortunately, college sports will never go back to what they should be.Read John Feinstein’s “The Last Amateurs” about a season in the Patriot League, and pine for the good old days…

      Yeah, you’re right about that. I should have used the word “situation” instead of “solution” perhaps because I think you’re probably right that there’s no way to make it happen.

      lavor postell: The European soccer model have much better setups in this regard.They essentially train with these clubs usually on a daily basis starting at around 12, though sometimes much younger even.They are also given a really good high school education, especially the English and German clubs, and even those that don’t make it in the highest club levels can often times make a living for awhile playing in lower divisions. Most of these soccer players who don’t make it and/or flame out after a few years often tend to become successful working class professionals.

      That’s basically the system I had in mind also.

    40. mokers

      I am a huge college basketball fan. I do like it better than the NBA for a number of reasons, although I can and do enjoy both. I think there are a few things people have to remember.

      - You can like college basketball and still disagree with everything about the NCAA and player compensation. I hate the NCAA as much as anybody. They are one rung below FIFA in terms of the level of corruption in their ranks and unaccountability they are afforded in their roles. I think the players should be compensated. In fact, I think it is in general a bad idea that we are forced to subsidize minor leagues for the NBA and NFL. There is also way to much restriction placed on how athletes can move to a different program.

      - College basketball is still an area where the underdog team can win and enjoy some success. FGCU is essentially an expansion team in Division 1. Harvard won one game and it is the highlight of their program for the last 20 or 30 years.

      - The 35 second shot clock does lead to some very ugly games, but I think that the talent is just spread out a lot farther. 20 years ago the people who are now the best players on a Gonzaga or VCU or Butler would be on a Duke or Kansas or UCLA. It allows a team that may only have 5 or 6 good players compete with deeper teams.

      - The NCAA championship is not necessarily about crowning the best team the winner. However, as a single elimination tournament there is a lot of things to enjoy in that format. Perhaps I am just nostalgic from my high school days when we would have two or three tournaments during the year that were like 8-12 teams double elimination over like two or three days. In terms of crowning a champion and rewarding overall achievement for the year, I do believe the NBA playoffs are more compelling.

    41. mokers

      Also, completely agree on the academy system thay Euro leagues use. It would gut a lot of the money that institutions get, but in terms of what is best for individual players, I think it is much more fair. I don’t think it would completely replace high school and college athletics, but it may make the NCAA unnecessary, which would make the whole thing worth it.

    42. Hubert Davis

      Garson:
      And i thought we were bad… Just checked out the Thunder blog and its bizzaro knick world.

      Complaints of Durant Passing out of the double and not jacking up a contested shot like melo does (taking over the game in their lingo)

      Bitching of Durant taking 27 shots…

      http://dailythunder.com/2013/04/knicks-vs-thunder-pregame-primer-4/#respond

      In fairness, I felt strongly yesterday that Durant’s desire to be efficient was to his detriment yesterday and the Knicks took advantage of it.

    43. Douglas

      It’s nice to know that the shittiness of college ball can bring the entire Knickerblogger community together :)

    44. Hubert Davis

      This was my favorite:

      OKC035 6980 pts
      This is pathetic, they are playing Copeland at PF and Novak at center, and we can’t take advantage.

      I never really thought about it, but it must be so frustrating to lose to the Knicks when we’re raining 3′s.

    45. er

      Hubert Davis: That was a great read, btw.

      3 of my favs lmao:
      DJ_Yardman 266 pts
      We cant blame brooks for everything man.
      We werent giving melo much 1st quarter going into the 2nd, but he went out there and took it. got on the board and got in the post and got dirty

      But here comes “Butterfly” Kevin Durant , who isnt getting the looks he wants but doesnt do anything about it. Except try and live on the foul line. Its not good enough from KD. No energy, No effort

      CDNBallJunkie 291 pts
      I can’t name another star in this league as passive as KD. In a situation where you clearly need him to attack, he’ll pass it off to Sefolosha for a contested layup… When he does get a really good look, he just uncharacteristically clanks them…. Something has got to change in the way we get KD’s offense rolling.

      CDNBallJunkie 291 pts
      KD allowed the Knicks to take him out of possessions with doubles. Keep running that same stupid set where he posts up and waits for the double and passes out…. Durant has got to man up and atleast attempt to take over late in a game. Melo attacked relentlessly and torched us….

    46. johnno

      Garson:
      and of course… not playing brewer at all!

      I just spent a few minutes on the Thunder website and couldn’t stop laughing. It is good to see that we Knicks fans aren’t the only ones who bitch and moan constantly about our team and especially our best players. (One guy even argued that Thabeet should be playing instead of Perkins!) And it is utterly fascinating to realize that there is a whole other fan base out there that thinks that Ronnie Brewer is the answer to all of their problems. (Which, now that I think about it, probably makes three fan bases since the Bulls’ website is likely full of people whining about the loss of Brewer in the offseason.) However, they are not nearly as sophisticated as we are — their complaints are based on something as pedestrian as “Brewer is a great perimeter defender” but they fail to mention even once his win shares per 48 or wins produced…

    47. flossy

      Douglas:
      It’s nice to know that the shittiness of college ball can bring the entire Knickerblogger community together :)

      College ball sucks by any metric!

    48. AvonBarksdale

      The wire covered basketball in one episode but a season would be awesome! Love this site, Knicks ain’t getting nearly enough attention right now and this site wasn’t as jumping as I thought it would be yesterday but fuck it, rather read all the regulars posts than deal with all new idiots that will surely come here as we win the chip. Espn trolls will be here soon.

    49. Garson

      johnno: However, they are not nearly as sophisticated as we are — their complaints are based on something as pedestrian as “Brewer is a great perimeter defender” but they fail to mention even once his win shares per 48 or wins produced…

      Agree … I think the point spread of the top 5 knickerbloggers and their starting 5 would be a -15.5 .

      We can even run some Iso’s with Ruruland

    50. flossy

      Wow, the Ronnie Brewer dead-enders in that comments section are a trip! Really takes me back.

    51. lavor postell

      I completely agree with them about Durant though. He has a reputation as a killer that simply isn’t true. Who had the balls to step up and stomp Duncan, Parker and Ginobili in game 5? (Hint: he’s not on the team anymore)

      Game 4 against Miami last year was another no-show from Durant on a huge stage. Westbrook pretty much carried them all the way to the finish line after getting nothing from Durant or Harden. He consistently does not take control on the biggest possessions or situations.

      Also imagine if Melo ever said anything like this when asked about taking those annoying halfcourt buzzer beaters at the end of quarters 1-3, better known as JR Smith’s favorite possessions:

      “It depends on what I’m shooting from the field. First quarter if I’m 4-for-4, I let it go. Third quarter if I’m like 10-for-16, or 10-for-17, I might let it go. But if I’m like 8-for-19, I’m going to go ahead and dribble one more second and let that buzzer go off and then throw it up there. So it depends on how the game’s going.”

      And then from Brooks:

      “We talked about it, about seven weeks ago maybe, couple months ago, and we talked about it,” Brooks said. “I said ‘We have to shoot that shot. There’s still time in the game — shoot it.’ The only time we don’t shoot it is if we’re up and it’s the last seconds because you don’t want to do that.

      “We had that talk and somebody on our team did not take it that same night, and then we all got on him,” he said. “The next night, somebody made that shot.”

      Every player I asked about it remembered Brooks talk right away.

      “Yeah he said something to us about it,” said Eric Maynor. “He was like, ‘I be peeping some of y’all be doing that.’ But he know me, I’m going to shoot it.”

      Said Nick Collison: “It’s funny because when [Brooks] brought that up, Eric said, ‘I’ll shoot it’ and he made one like the next game.”

      http://sports.yahoo

    52. lavor postell

      Also Bernard on Anthony:

      “Melo is playing the best basketball of any player in the NBA. He’s the best scorer in the league. He’s playing phenomenally. There’s nothing you’re going to do defensively that’s going to stop him. He can handle, shoot, pass rebound, penetrate. He can put the ball on the floor and handle the ball in transition. He can post up down low. He’s very difficult to prepare for. I’ve enjoyed watching him. I was hoping he would break my record [Friday].’’

      http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/melo_fit_for_king_cLhs6CMpWs80fMbkmwiRBJ

    53. lavor postell

      Garson: Agree … I think the point spread of the top 5 knickerbloggers and their starting 5 would be a -15.5 .

      We can even run some Iso’s with Ruruland

      Yeah especially if we can run some side pick and roll action with Owen and THCJ.

    54. DRed

      johnno: I just spent a few minutes on the Thunder website and couldn’t stop laughing.It is good to see that we Knicks fans aren’t the only ones who bitch and moan constantly about our team and especially our best players.(One guy even argued that Thabeet should be playing instead of Perkins!)And it is utterly fascinating to realize that there is a whole other fan base out there that thinks that Ronnie Brewer is the answer to all of their problems.(Which, now that I think about it, probably makes three fan bases since the Bulls’ website is likely full of people whining about the loss of Brewer in the offseason.)However, they are not nearly as sophisticated as we are — their complaints are based on something as pedestrian as “Brewer is a great perimeter defender” but they fail to mention even once his win shares per 48 or wins produced…

      To be fair, Perkins is a terrible basketball player. I’d be unhappy if he was logging big minutes for the Knicks. He was pretty solid when he was on the Celts, but those days are long gone.

    55. Frank

      @54 – that link didn’t come through, but did Durant really actually say that? That is ridiculous that someone of his magnitude would actually admit to that.

      I don’t get to watch OKC that much, but Durant really doesn’t seem to have the mentality of a primary scorer — he really looks content to let Westbrook force the action and play off of that. It’s not a bad thing, but it’s hard to imagine that in a game in which 245 points were scored, Durant only took 17 shots (and only 4 at the basket). I don’t know how he came about those foul shots, but to me it seemed like most of them were weak fouls or non-shooting fouls that the KNicks picked up while in the penalty.

      Don’t get me wrong – I’d love to have Durant– but Westbrook looks like the guy that goes and gets it. He is freaking unstoppable when he is hitting that pullup.

    56. johnlocke

      That Thunderblog was hilarious- especially surprised by how much criticism was being thrown Durant’s way. It really was their defense that was their undoing. Especially enjoyed this quote:

      ” Our inability to deny dribble penetration kills us. So. Much. Drive & kick. So. many. threes. ”

      Hubert Davis: That was a great read, btw.

    57. cgreene

      I would be real pissed about those Durant quotes and that he cares so much about his %s. That’s sort of ridiculous. It’s one thing to not take contested shots bc you think your team can get a better one. It’s a whole other thing to be thinking about your shooting %s and have that as part of your mindset in the game. Some times you do actually have to “force” things to happen.

    58. DRed

      On the same subject:

      Russell Westbrook: “No. Nope … If I was considering about [statistics] I’d do a lot of shit different.”

      haha.

    59. Hubert Davis

      @42 – I would actually rank the NCAA as a far, far worse organization than FIFA.

      Two reasons, off the top of my head:

      1. FIFA doesn’t employ slave labor.

      2. At least FIFA never allowed the ridicuflous conference reshuffling we’ve seen the NCAA not only tolerate but encourage. If the NCAA ruled association football overseas, Manchester United & Liverpool would play in Serie A, Barcelona would be in the Russian Premier League, AC Milan in the Bundesliga, Dortmund in Ligue 1, etc etc etc.

    60. Keniman Shumpwalker

      cgreene:
      I would be real pissed about those Durant quotes and that he cares so much about his %s.That’s sort of ridiculous.It’s one thing to not take contested shots bc you think your team can get a better one.It’s a whole other thing to be thinking about your shooting %s and have that as part of your mindset in the game.Some times you do actually have to “force” things to happen.

      THIS. It’s why I can only partially get behind the advanced metrics that measure efficiency. I think these metrics can be useful tools for player analysis and roster construction but they can’t stand alone, they can be deceiving. They have to be combined with the good old fashioned eye test and more traditional statistics to fully understand the context, and appropriately assign judgement. Is KD a vastly more efficient scorer than Melo? Yes. But if that efficiency comes at the expense of good basketball, rather than in the service of it, is it really astronomically more valuable, as many basketball fans would assert? I’m speaking specifically of the widely held belief that Melo isn’t even in the same stratosphere as KD, and the central thesis of that argument usually rests on efficiency. Without context, efficiency can be misleading.

    61. lavor postell

      Keniman Shumpwalker: THIS. It’s why I can only partially get behind the advanced metrics that measure efficiency. I think these metrics can be useful tools for player analysis and roster construction but they can’t stand alone, they can be deceiving. They have to be combined with the good old fashioned eye test and more traditional statistics to fully understand the context, and appropriately assign judgement. Is KD a vastly more efficient scorer than Melo? Yes. But if that efficiency comes at the expense of good basketball, rather than in the service of it, is it really astronomically more valuable, as many basketball fans would assert? I’m speaking specifically of the widely held belief that Melo isn’t even in the same stratosphere as KD, and the central thesis of that argument usually rests on efficiency. Without context, efficiency can be misleading.

      This is a great point and also it must be said that if Melo got Durant’s whistle he might be the best scorer since Wilt. That might be an exaggeration, but his numbers which are already pretty good, would become otherworldy a la Durant.

    62. Eternal OptiKnist

      I was beside myself yesterday…just could not believe it. So many heroes. Do you think we win that game if JKidd doesnt hot those 3s in Q1? I still cant figure out Tyson Chandler. Last Wednesday, i’m thinking he’s done with the neck, then he says he’s pain free, but still plays tentative for 3 quarters. I’m just so scared about his health, as with him hobbled its 50/50 that we get out of the first round.

    63. Keniman Shumpwalker

      lavor postell: This is a great point and also it must be said that if Melo got Durant’s whistle he might be the best scorer since Wilt.That might be an exaggeration, but his numbers which are already pretty good, would become otherworldy a la Durant.

      That’s exactly the point: the whistle, the talents of the ancillary players that the primary scorer is sharing the floor with, the offensive system, the defensive match-ups, the defensive system being employed, etc. ALL of these things need to be taken into account in order to determine what was the right basketball play to make on a given possession. This is something that the SportsVU system is trying to do, and that’s encouraging, but we’re obviously not there yet. It’s not as black and white as: Player X shot 41% from the field and had 4 TOs so he had a bad game and is hurting his team. That very well may be true, but you can’t know that without looking at every detail of each possession in which Player X was involved. Basically, to make a long story short (too late!), basketball is far too complex to boil individual performance down to an efficiency rating.

    64. steveoh

      I just had this exact conversation about college hoops vs. NBA with a friend of mine at a March Madness Mancave retreat in Tahoe (yes, we do that).

      He hates the NBA and loves college hoops. He also hasn’t watched an NBA game in about five years, and that’s the answer why he thinks like that. His interpretation of the NBA is purely isolation ball and clear-outs, which was the basic NBA offense when he last watched. And he’s right; the college game was much superior years ago, with ball movement and zones. It was basketball we all played, and the NBA was one-on-one hero ball. And it’s one of the reasons we struggled in international ball too.

      But now, with the spread pick-and-roll taking over the NBA, the two games now mirror each other. And because the style of play is very similar, there’s a vast gap on display each night in regards to skill level, strategy and athleticism. The NBA has suddenly become an exponentially higher product. And suddenly, all those flaws in the college game like terrible shooting and poor decision making, that we once tolerated because the game was more “aesthetically” pleasing, are highlighted and are now killing the game. They’ve always been there. We just reveled in everything else.

      I’m a recent convert to the NBA, although I’ve always been a Knicks fan. And I just can’t stomach a top college game when a good NBA game is on at the same time. I wouldn’t have thought that way five years ago.

    65. ruruland

      I’m in the process of arranging an interview with Dean Oliver. Nothing set in stone yet.

      Please post questions you’d like to ask or ideas you’d like him to talk about.

      I’m planning on posting it here and perhaps a few other places.

    66. BigBlueAL

      Saw this debate on Twitter, should Bernard King have his jersey retired as a Knick now that he is in the HOF?? He only played 4 seasons with the Knicks and the 4th one was only a few games after returning from injury. He only played 224 games as a Knick including playoffs.

    67. lavor postell

      BigBlueAL:
      Saw this debate on Twitter, should Bernard King have his jersey retired as a Knick now that he is in the HOF??He only played 4 seasons with the Knicks and the 4th one was only a few games after returning from injury.He only played 224 games as a Knick including playoffs.

      When you think of Bernard King, you think about his time at the Garden. Not a question in my opinion.

      Also JR Smith jersey has been ordered. Finally had to pull the trigger on that. I hate/love JR so much.

    68. lavor postell

      Oh and on ESPN rank they just ranked Brook Lopez as the 26th best player in the league ahead of Love, Randolph, Pierce and Paul George. Is it just me or does that make sense to anybody?

    69. ruruland

      Garson: Agree … I think the point spread of the top 5 knickerbloggers and their starting 5 would be a -15.5 .

      We can even run some Iso’s with Ruruland

      lmbo

    70. Frank

      ruruland:
      I’m in the process of arranging an interview with Dean Oliver. Nothing set in stone yet.

      Please post questions you’d like to ask or ideas you’d like him to talk about.

      I’m planning on posting it here and perhaps a few other places.

      Who does he work for again? Is he still with the Nuggets?

      If not –
      1) his opinion on Carmelo Anthony
      2) where does he fall on efficiency vs. usage argument
      3) the jonabbey question – is a kobe assist / bucket really the same as a made FG (or taken to the extreme like jon did last thread – 20 FGA followed by 20 OREB + 1 FGM)
      4) does he think players game the statistics – ie. chasing boards rather than playing defense, avoiding low % shots even at the detriment of the team (like Durant in post 54) — because they know that in this day and age people are really looking at these statistics carefully ==> $

      that’s all i can think of. sorry if some of them are dumb

    71. johnlocke

      J.R. is just way too enigmatic to have the conventional last name “Smith”.. it should be “J.R. He Hate Me” or something like that. Wearing a jersey with ‘Smith’ on it, just doesn’t seem right for JR

      lavor postell: When you think of Bernard King, you think about his time at the Garden.Not a question in my opinion.

      Also JR Smith jersey has been ordered.Finally had to pull the trigger on that.I hate/love JR so much.

    72. ruruland

      Frank: Who does he work for again? Is he still with the Nuggets?

      If not –
      1) his opinion on Carmelo Anthony
      2) where does he fall on efficiency vs. usage argument
      3) the jonabbey question – is a kobe assist / bucket really the same as a made FG (or taken to the extreme like jon did last thread – 20 FGA followed by 20 OREB + 1 FGM)
      4) does he think players game the statistics – ie. chasing boards rather than playing defense, avoiding low % shots even at the detriment of the team (like Durant in post 54) — because they know that in this day and age people are really looking at these statistics carefully ==> $

      that’s all i can think of. sorry if some of them are dumb

      Nah, they’re good. He’s with ESPN now. was with Denver from like ’05 to after the Melo trade.

      Keep ‘em coming, folks.

    73. lavor postell

      Really nice breakdown on the Knicks’ offensive sets against Miami and OKC. Really got to give Woodson a lot of credit for adding a ton of wrinkles to our basic spread pick and roll from the beginning of the season. It also helps that Melo is playing his best ball since he came to New York. It really is something to watch when he’s reading the game perfectly and makes scoring against NBA defenses loading up on him routine.

    74. Hubert Davis

      I’m still reading that Thunder thread (intermittently, not continuously). They hate on Durant so much it’s hilarious! It seems like it’s basically Westbrook’s team and KD is the efficient scoring second banana, per them.

    75. lavor postell

      ruruland: Nah, they’re good. He’s with ESPN now. was with Denver from like ’05 to after the Melo trade.

      Keep ‘em coming, folks.

      What is the value defensively in having players like Kidd who constantly are knocking the ball loose in addition to getting steals? Are numbers like this being tracked because it would seem any delay on a given NBA set can be critical in throwing off the timing of a play and forcing a poor shot situation for the offensive side.

    76. Eternal OptiKnist

      does anyone remember seeing (must have been part of an MSG pregame a year or two ago)..they played a video from the 90s of the knicks pranking scott brooks; telling him they’re cutting him to open a roster spot for Walt Frazier to make a comeback. His angry, incredulous reaction was hilarious. I cant find it anywhere. Does anyone know what im talking about?

    77. ruruland

      lavor postell: What is the value defensively in having players like Kidd who constantly are knocking the ball loose in addition to getting steals?Are numbers like this being tracked because it would seem any delay on a given NBA set can be critical in throwing off the timing of a play and forcing a poor shot situation for the offensive side.

      Nice. Deflections. Maybe if there is cost/benefit analysis for steals/deflections/over-helping/trapping etc.

    78. Hubert Davis

      RuRu if you went to that Thunder site and declared Melo was a better player than Durant today you would get 1,000 likes.

    79. ruruland

      Hubert Davis:
      RuRu if you went to that Thunder site and declared Melo was a better player than Durant today you would get 1,000 likes.

      Haha. If only I thought that ;)

    80. jon abbey

      DRed:
      On the same subject:

      Russell Westbrook: “No. Nope … If I was considering about [statistics] I’d do a lot of shit different.”

      haha.

      I love that guy, I would take him every single time over Harden if I had to start a team with one of the two.

    81. jon abbey

      Frank:
      3) the jonabbey question – is a kobe assist / bucket really the same as a made FG (or taken to the extreme like jon did last thread – 20 FGA followed by 20 OREB + 1 FGM)

      just to be clear, this is combining two similar but different situations:

      1) the “Kobe assist” is when guys run a pick and roll so only those two and their defenders are involved in the play. the guard misses the shot because both guys try to defend him, but that leaves his teammate open for the easy putback.

      2) what I was arguing for with Melo just involves him, none of his teammates touch the ball and any rebound/putback attempts are point blank and immediate. 5 of his 14 misses yesterday fell into this category, all followed by him getting the ball right back and putting it in.

    82. ruruland

      jon abbey: just to be clear, this is combining two similar but different situations:

      1) the “Kobe assist” is when guys run a pick and roll so only those two and their defenders are involved in the play. the guard misses the shot because both guys try to defend him, but that leaves his teammate open for the easy putback.

      2) what I was arguing for with Melo just involves him, none of his teammates touch the ball and any rebound/putback attempts are point blank and immediate. 5 of his 14 misses yesterday fell into this category, all followed by him getting the ball right back and putting it in.

      Anything else you’d want to know, Abbey?

    83. mokers

      I would ask if there was a stat that he wishes would be tracked in basketball. Something like the hockey assist.

      I would also ask something along the lines of what types of effect he thinks coaching has on a team in terms of wins. Or if coaching makes a bigger difference in the regular season or the playoffs.

      A good open ended question might simply ask how player evaluation has changed over the years outside of geography (scounting more Euros players, etc)

    84. lavor postell

      jon abbey: I love that guy, I would take him every single time over Harden if I had to start a team with one of the two.

      I think I’d rather have Harden right now, but Westbrook is still developing seeing how he was a shooting guard his entire life until he got to the NBA. Unbelievable talent who still has room to grow. The way he plays is so pure. The game is just the game to him. There’s a certain arrogance and flair about him that for me make him the most exciting player to watch in the league, particularly live.

    85. Frank

      In light of that article from a few weeks ago (which basically said that every team basically has proprietary stuff and no one is sharing with anyone re: analytics) — I’d like to ask his opinion re: which teams (or at least how many) are using analytics to the point that it actually changes what they do. ie. the analytics guy actually has a say in game planning, drafting, FA signings, etc.

      My guess is that it’s probably 25 out of the 30 teams, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were as few as 15.

    86. Unreason

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: The NCAA would be Upton Sinclair’s wet dream. The level of exploitation in that system, of deferred responsibility and culpability — it would make a great season six for The Wire.

      jon abbey: the NCAA should pay players and not continue the charade of forcing them all to attend classes

      So f’ed up it’s hard to enjoy college sports any more. I’m not for making it a pro league though. Most kids and their descendants will be better served by a real education than a brief burst of cash & glory. A patrician attitude maybe, but I think it’s true.

      Shouldn’t fixing the current sham measures & incentive system might be pretty straightforward even if hard to institute? Just use the huge $ at stake to motivate change in schools that betray their kids.

      Step 1: NBA & NFL announce upcoming 3-yr college requirement.

      Step 2: NCAA takes 3 yrs to develop more effective measures, consequences & monitoring plan. Something like:

      Measure
      Athlete’s academic scores on good predictors of post-college success, standardized on scores of comparable non-athletes at the same school.

      Consequences
      6 yr NCAA ban- no games with other NCAA teams
      6 yr broadcast ban
      Pay all affected athlete’s full tuition at alternative school of athlete’s choice

      Monitoring
      Some other independent entity with relevant competence (accounting firm?)

      Step 3: Give schools 3 more yrs to prepare for the new system.

      Step 4: Lower the boom.

      Any excuse to bring back the Wire is good by me.

    87. nicos

      ruruland: Nah, they’re good. He’s with ESPN now. was with Denver from like ’05 to after the Melo trade.

      Keep ‘em coming, folks.

      Most of these are pretty basic and I’m sure you’ve thought of them already- How does he see the niche data mining now available via sportsvu/synergy contributing to (or undermining) the broader gestalt stuff like 4 factors/WP? How far are we from models that will finally begin to account for interaction effects? Stats guys are obviously making inroads in front office positions and playing a role in player acquisition but how widespread is their influence in game-to-game coaching decisions? Any coaches he sees as more receptive to advanced stats? Or conspicuously ignoring them to their detriment? What does he think of Ronnie Brewer????

    88. jon abbey

      ruruland: Anything else you’d want to know, Abbey?

      hmm, just back from a long lunch and a bit buzzed, but:

      1) is having a post scorer still valuable in the post-Shaq, legal zone NBA? is the lack of dominant post scorers on good teams just a coincidence, or part of how the game is evolving?

      2) are there stats to chart how much space a top offensive player creates for his teammates, by drawing multiple defenders?

      3) has individual offensive efficiency become overrated/over-fetishized?

      4) are there stats that penalize players for inaction on offense? we could call this the Landry Fields number.

    89. ruruland

      Frank:
      In light of that article from a few weeks ago (which basically said that every team basically has proprietary stuff and no one is sharing with anyone re: analytics) — I’d like to ask his opinion re: which teams (or at least how many) are using analytics to the point that it actually changes what they do. ie. the analytics guy actually has a say in game planning, drafting, FA signings, etc.

      My guess is that it’s probably 25 out of the 30 teams, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were as few as 15.

      Yeah, was planning on the proprietary question. These would be great.

    90. mokers

      Hubert Davis:
      @42 – I would actually rank the NCAA as a far, far worse organization than FIFA.

      Two reasons, off the top of my head:

      1. FIFA doesn’t employ slave labor.

      2. At least FIFA never allowed the ridicuflous conference reshuffling we’ve seen the NCAA not only tolerate but encourage.If the NCAA ruled association football overseas, Manchester United & Liverpool would play in Serie A, Barcelona would be in the Russian Premier League, AC Milan in the Bundesliga, Dortmund in Ligue 1, etc etc etc.

      1 – the World Cup in Dubai is going to be played in stadiums likely on the backs of what many would consider indentured slave labor. I know it’s not quite the same thing, but I wouldn’t use that to demonstrate FIFA is good in that area rather than they don’t have the opportunity.

      2. I would argue this is more a UEFA issue and the nationalism infused in the individual leagues is the only thing preventing a Super-League you are talking about. there is also the champions league, which is essentiall a tournament for the wealthiest clubs.

      I know this is like a choice between giant douche or turd sandwich though. Whoever wins, we all lose, etc.

    91. ruruland

      good stuff guys. Some of it I’d forgotten. We’ll see how much time/response length he can provide, but these are good.

    92. lavor postell

      Also just wanted to say what an awesome couple of weeks this has been to be a Knicks fan. The winning streak, Melo on fire and winning player of the week, the light going off for JR hopefully for good and his Player of the Week, Bernard getting the HOF induction he richly deserves, basically clinching the division, destroying the Celtics twice and of course Kurt Thomas demonstrating to everybody on the team what it means to be a New York Knick. This in combination with hopefully Michigan pulling it out tonight would easily make this the best sports period of my life.

      On that note as nervous as I am for the Michigan game tonight I don’t think there’s a chance my heart could take the Knicks in a game 7 in the Finals. More beer is required.

      To think this is how this whole stretch started

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIePvzXK9Kk

    93. BigBlueAL

      lavor postell:
      Also just wanted to say what an awesome couple of weeks this has been to be a Knicks fan.The winning streak, Melo on fire and winning player of the week, the light going off for JR hopefully for good and his Player of the Week, Bernard getting the HOF induction he richly deserves, basically clinching the division, destroying the Celtics twice and of course Kurt Thomas demonstrating to everybody on the team what it means to be a New York Knick.This in combination with hopefully Michigan pulling it out tonight would easily make this the best sports period of my life.

      On that note as nervous as I am for the Michigan game tonight I don’t think there’s a chance my heart could take the Knicks in a game 7 in the Finals.More beer is required.

      To think this is how this whole stretch started

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIePvzXK9Kk

      You wouldnt have survived May/June of 1994. Knicks went to Game 7 in their last 3 playoff series including of course the NBA Finals. Hell I barely survived and I was only a kid back then (14 yo) lol.

    94. BigBlueAL

      Speaking of analytics in basketball, JVG had a good story yesterday. He was talking about hack-a-Howard and how Morey had told him (when he was coaching the Rockets obviously) the best time to do a hack-a-Howard/Shaq etc was actually when you were ahead not behind. Prevented the opposing team from making 3pters.

      Sounds pretty obvious but something you rarely seen done, usually teams go to hack-a-whoever when they are trailing not ahead.

    95. lavor postell

      BigBlueAL: You wouldnt have survived May/June of 1994.Knicks went to Game 7 in their last 3 playoff series including of course the NBA Finals.Hell I barely survived and I was only a kid back then (14 yo) lol.

      Luckily I was 6 and the Knicks didn’t consume/torture my entire life. I thought I was supposed to become more mature and care less as I got older not become increasingly paranoid and obsessed.

    96. mokers

      I think the season all hinges on how well they can keep up their defensive intensity. More often than not, whenever I want to throw things at the TV, it is because the defense is not there. When this team clamps down on that end and is shooting well on the other, it is hard to beat. We should be great on that end of Tyson and K-mart are near full strength. having sheed or camby to spell them about would be great.

    97. lavor postell

      Really good shit in here

      http://butthegameison.com/2658/the-evolution-of-the-knicks/

      “Anthony is still a lacking defensive player, but the move to power forward has not only helped him offensively with mismatches; defensively he’s facing off against less potent perimeter scorers and he’s been excellent when going one-on-one in the post this season. Per Synergy, he’s allowed just .683 points per possession on post-ups this season and just 37% shooting. Of the 72 players that have defended at least 100 post-ups this season, Anthony ranks sixth in PPPa, just behind Marc Gasol and in font of guys like Josh Smith, Larry Sanders and Joakim Noah.”

    98. ruruland

      Nice read.

      King quote from today I thought was interesting re he and Melo’s use of triple threat position:

      “I couldn’t develop that (3pt shot), but that wasn’t part of my skill sets. When he gets the ball in the wing, what Melo’s conveyed to me is that he would watch my game tapes, and try to emulate some of the moves that I did on those game tapes, and when he gets the ball on the wing and he raises that ball up over his head, which I did, it forces the defender to commit, or to back off. And in most cases what happens, a defender will reach for the ball. And once they reach for the ball, forget it, it’s over. That’s what you want, you want the, to reach for the ball. ‘Cause then you bring that ball down, you swing it, and you drive left or you drive (right). And when you go left, you can go all the way, or you can pull up for a jumpshot. And that’s what he does very very effectively.”

      Also, Knicks have fourth best record in NBA since Woodson took over.

    99. Owen

      The best piece of sports journalism I have read in the past five years was this from Taylor Branch on the NCAA.

      http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/308643/

      Both FIFA and the IOC are corrupt organizations. But i would put the NCAA at the top of any list.

      I can barely watch college basketball, the quality is so bad. I would certainly rather watch Harvey pitch tonight….

      Hubert Davis:
      @42 – I would actually rank the NCAA as a far, far worse organization than FIFA.

      Two reasons, off the top of my head:

      1. FIFA doesn’t employ slave labor.

      2. At least FIFA never allowed the ridicuflous conference reshuffling we’ve seen the NCAA not only tolerate but encourage.If the NCAA ruled association football overseas, Manchester United & Liverpool would play in Serie A, Barcelona would be in the Russian Premier League, AC Milan in the Bundesliga, Dortmund in Ligue 1, etc etc etc.

    100. d-mar

      lavor postell:
      Really good shit in here

      http://butthegameison.com/2658/the-evolution-of-the-knicks/

      “Anthony is still a lacking defensive player, but the move to power forward has not only helped him offensively with mismatches; defensively he’s facing off against less potent perimeter scorers and he’s been excellent when going one-on-one in the post this season. Per Synergy, he’s allowed just .683 points per possession on post-ups this season and just 37% shooting. Of the 72 players that have defended at least 100 post-ups this season, Anthony ranks sixth in PPPa, just behind Marc Gasol and in font of guys like Josh Smith, Larry Sanders and Joakim Noah.”

      That is really interesting.

      I’ll give this to Melo, he’s not afraid to bang in the post, almost seems to relish the contact. I think he would much prefer that to chasing some quick SF around the perimeter.

    101. airchibundo507

      Also take this for what it’s worth:

      “KD tracks his numbers in his head obsessively throughout games, down to turnovers, assists, what he’s shooting from the floor, rebounds and of course, points. I remember a game last season where Durant threw a half-oop, half-shot out of bounds. He came over to the scorekeeper and asked him if he had scored it a turnover or a shot attempt. The scorekeeper said turnover, to which Durant said, “Good, I’d rather have a turnover than a miss.””

      Durant has to be the most stat-conscious NBA star.

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