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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Sep 27 2013)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Agent on Grunwald demotion: 'Absurd' (Fri, 27 Sep 2013 01:58:42 EDT)
    New York — The New York Knicks’ decision to demote general manager Glen Grunwald caught many around the NBA by surprise. Rick Kaplan, Marcus Camby’s agent, was particularly taken aback. He called Knicks owner James Dolan’s decision to demote Grunwald “absurd” and “cruel” and referred to the Knicks as a “toxic” atmosphere.Kaplan described Grunwald as “straightforward, honest and extremely loyal.” Grunwald traded Camby, Kaplan’s client, over the summer in a trade that netted the Knicks Andrea Bargnani.

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Knicks GM move latest proof Dolan has no clue (Fri, 27 Sep 2013 03:48:37 GMT)
    Here is the only basketball player of consequence Steve Mills, the new president and general manager of the Knicks, has ever signed: Isiah Thomas. Mills, formerly president of MSG Sports, once thought Isiah was the most qualified person to hold the same job James L. Dolan handed Mills on Thursday.    

  • [New York Daily News] Grunwald out as Knicks GM, replaced by Mills (Fri, 27 Sep 2013 03:40:13 GMT)
    In a stunning move, the Knicks have replaced Glen Grunwald as the team’s president and general manager with Steve Mills, the former Garden president who was fired two years ago following a falling out with upper management.    

  • [New York Newsday] Steve Mills replaces Glen Grunwald as Knicks GM (Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:50:57 EDT)
    The Knicks announced that former Madison Square Garden president Steve Mills will replace Glen Grunwald as executive vice president and general manager. Grunwald will remain with the organization as "an advisor," according to a statement released by the team.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Atlanta Takes Opener in W.N.B.A. Conference Finals (Fri, 27 Sep 2013 04:05:08 GMT)
    Tiffany Hayes scored 23 points, and the host Atlanta Dream beat the Indiana Fever for a 1-0 lead in the W.N.B.A.’s Eastern Conference finals.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks Dip Into Past and Bring Back Mills as President and General Manager (Fri, 27 Sep 2013 01:49:31 GMT)
    Steve Mills, a former high-level executive at Madison Square Garden before departing in 2009, will replace Glen Grunwald, who will remain as an adviser.    

  • 25 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Sep 27 2013)

    1. SeeWhyDee77

      It seems as if Dolan truly is an embarrassment of riches. Pun intended. His meddling and bad decisions have cost us Mosgov, Larry Brown, JVG, and Donnie Basketball. Not that Mosgov was or is a star..but keeping him could have lowered the payroll and allowed more flexibility to build around Melo. His watch also was responsible for allowing Isaiah to create a toxic locker room environment which allowed Marbury to have way too much pull. For Pete’s sake..he allowed a trade for Steve Francis when we already had Marbury!! I could type up quite the list of infractions by Dolan against the loyal Knick fans. I point those few poor decisions out to say this: Dolan seems like the guy to play with power just to see what he can do. He’s an abuser. He’s the rich kid who gets drunk, drives around in daddy’s Murciélago, runs down a couple people in his drunken bliss and leaves the scene, and only gets 40 hours community service. There’s gotta be a way to usurp some of his power. Or at least make him use it responsibly. I think it’s clear that he’s letting personal issues get in the way. Of course it is his team to run as he pleases, but this is getting ridiculous. Stern stepped in between Dolan and Prokhorov and said pretty much ‘whoa now’. Why can’t he walk in Dolan’s office an say ‘Dude! The fuck are u doin??!! Ur embarrassing the league!’, the same way he did with Dolan and Prokhorov? Maybe if he would explain his vision, this wouldn’t feel so bad. But u simply cannot “reassign” a guy who have put in quality work on limited assets and replace him with a guy who presided over some of the darkest days I can remember as a Knick fan- and NOT explain it to your fan base. It’s a slap right in the face because it reeks of a “fuck you pay me” mentality, and that’s not the type of relationship you wanna have with your fans. Fans who certainly can support another franchise and make them the big name your franchise once was.

    2. SeeWhyDee77

      Cont’d

      I’m not a New Yorker, but all the way down here in MD I can feel that sentiment bubbling underneath the surface- especially with a capable team in Brooklyn. The vibe on this one sickens me and I really hope there’s more to it and its not as bad as it feels. But given Dolan’s track record, it is very unlikely

    3. Bison

      Like everybody else here, I’m scratching my head and going WTF? Maybe Grunwald was actually competent and doing a good job, and therefore he didn’t fit in?

      My other guess, based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, is that Jimmy was just randomly lashing out because he was stressed about possibly losing MSG. (Any news on that, by the way?)

      Ah well. Things are back to normal in Knicksville. WTF.

    4. Hubert

      SeeWhyDee77, you’re not wrong. And there is always good reason to expect the other shoe to drop.

      It is fair to point out that we have no idea how the hell the inner workings of MSG work. Glen Grunwald could have been a puppet for all we know. Maybe Mark Warkentein is the guy doing all the scouting and Glen Grunwald is the guy throwing in all the needless extra first round picks. Maybe it was Grunwald who thought Shumpert for Dudley was a good idea. We have no idea.

      We have been conditioned to expect the absolute worst, but things have actually been working out. I mean, the last time we all sat here rehashing the terror of Jim Dolan was when he let Jeremy Lin go and that worked out all right.

      I’m not saying give him the benefit of the doubt. God knows he doesn’t deserve that. I’m just saying this organization is so clouded in secrecy and bullshit that really none of us know who is doing what. Glen Grunwald could have had a sleeping compartment built under his desk like George Costanza for all we know.

      We’re like battered wives who hear a door slam and instinctively leap in terror. This one could just be the wind.

    5. SeeWhyDee77

      Hubert: SeeWhyDee77, you’re not wrong. And there is always good reason to expect the other shoe to drop.

      It is fair to point out that we have no idea how the hell the inner workings of MSG work. Glen Grunwald could have been a puppet for all we know. Maybe Mark Warkentein is the guy doing all the scouting and Glen Grunwald is the guy throwing in all the needless extra first round picks. Maybe it was Grunwald who thought Shumpert for Dudley was a good idea. We have no idea.

      We have been conditioned to expect the absolute worst, but things have actually been working out. I mean, the last time we all sat here rehashing the terror of Jim Dolan was when he let Jeremy Lin go and that worked out all right.

      I’m not saying give him the benefit of the doubt. God knows he doesn’t deserve that. I’m just saying this organization is so clouded in secrecy and bullshit that really none of us know who is doing what. Glen Grunwald could have had a sleeping compartment built under his desk like George Costanza for all we know.

      We’re like battered wives who hear a door slam and instinctively leap in terror. This one could just be the wind.

      Very well stated. Amidst all this chaos things have worked out fairly well these past few seasons and we don’t know who to credit because of secret agent man environment. Feels kinda like we are becoming the evil empire like folks used to call the Yankees or Pats. Good thin we never had a Shaq on our team. That woulda been a disaster. STAT is very personable with tons of charisma, yet we rarely see that side of him.

    6. Jack Bauer

      Grunwald did a fantastic job under extremely difficult circumstances IMO. Firing him is just another ignorant, idiotic, Dolan move. Hate to say it but the Knicks are doomed due to epically incompetent ownership and management. It is becoming REALLY hard to stay loyal to this team. Lastly they are NEVER getting Lebron, Give it Up already and move on

    7. Unreason

      I agree posters on the previous thread who said the basketball consequences might not be very large since the solid team under GG will remain.

      The non-basketball stuff, though, is very worrisome. If Mills really did threaten to spread false rumors against Browne Sanders to prevent her from bringing charges, this move reveals a deep sickness. Not just Dolan’s petulance and poor hoops acumen; his commitment to corrupting and self-defeating principles at the base of the organization.

      If Mills did that, I don’t care if his connections help land important pieces and more wins. I’d rather root for a less successful but less creepy team.

      Does anyone know if there’s any corroborating evidence that Mills did this or of his doing similarly ugly stuff at other times/places?

    8. Eternal OptiKnist

      I don’t care if his connections help land important pieces and more wins. I’d rather root for a less successful but less creepy team.

      If we won a chip, i wouldnt care if satan was our GM..

    9. Eternal OptiKnist

      i was a big Grunwald fan, but i for some reason dont feel like we lost something somewhat replaceable…i mean i was crushed when Donnie Walsh walked, but we landed pretty darn well…and by most accounts, Warkentein et al seemed to be pretty integral to GG’s staff and they aint going nowhere i dont think. It also seems like Mills is a pretty accomplished business/marketing man with good relationships around the league with agents, GMs and most importantly, players. If Dolan feels like he wants that type of guy on the team as we approach free agency i dont know that its entirely that stupid..you need a salesman and this dude seems to fit that bill. And, as much as i liked GG, he did blow the amnesty to get Tyson which was a really, really bad move…and looks even worse with each passing playoff season that Tyson has been utterly useless. Again, not killing GG, especially since i remember being happy about Tyson at the time, but that was a bad, bad move for a professional GM to make.

    10. SeeWhyDee77

      Eternal OptiKnist: i was a big Grunwald fan, but i for some reason dont feel like we lost something somewhat replaceable…i mean i was crushed when Donnie Walsh walked, but we landed pretty darn well…and by most accounts, Warkentein et al seemed to be pretty integral to GG’s staff and they aint going nowhere i dont think. It also seems like Mills is a pretty accomplished business/marketing man with good relationships around the league with agents, GMs and most importantly, players. If Dolan feels like he wants that type of guy on the team as we approach free agency i dont know that its entirely that stupid..you need a salesman and this dude seems to fit that bill. And, as much as i liked GG, he did blow the amnesty to get Tyson which was a really, really bad move…and looks even worse with each passing playoff season that Tyson has been utterly useless. Again, not killing GG, especially since i remember being happy about Tyson at the time, but that was a bad, bad move for a professional GM to make.

      Another interesting way to look at it. Guess the best way to really react to this new “development” is to hurry up an wait to see what happens next. I can completely vision Dolan having a ridiculous knee jerk reaction. But I can’t fathom him truly going into a business move blind. I can only hope he really does have something else truly worthwhile up his sleeve. Maybe he’s really upset over Woodson’s playoff coaching and has plans to hire a really great GM and young exciting coach like Shaka Smith or plans to lure Coach K to the big apple. LOL..yea I know..wishful thinking with a cape on it. But he’s not Kevin alotta room for faith, huh?

    11. Eternal OptiKnist

      Got to give the knicks credit for pulling the move a day earlier than the typical ‘bad news on friday’..dropping the news on mariano’s last day in the bronx was genius..this story is all but dead in the mainstream sportsworld

    12. SeeWhyDee77

      SeeWhyDee77: yea I know..wishful thinking with a cape on it. But he’s not Kevin alotta room for faith, huh?

      Just noticed my typo..
      *leavin not Kevin
      Dammit I gotta retrain the dictionary in this iPhone..AGAIN

    13. Donnie Walsh

      Jesus, how long does it take to groom somebody to be a lackey?

      Dolan already paid him $115,000,000 for a few decent seasons and a lot of what-ifs.

      If he still needs Steve Mills tutelege, it’s time to pull the plug Dolan!

    14. SeeWhyDee77

      Has anybody given thought to the idea of extra pressure on Woodson with the Mills hiring? Somewhere in the back of his mind, he probably feels like it’s over because u gotta believe that with the slightest misstep that Dolan won’t hesitate to dump him since GG no longer has such a strong voice in the FO. I would even bet that if we start the season 3-2 and Brooklyn starts 5-0, that thy would look to ax Woodson. Which would be terribly short sighted I might add. If the team moves on from Woodson, the best possible time for everyone involved is the offseason..next offseason. We Manley that move during the season, there is no coach that could come in and guide the team to success. Not even Phil. Too much to change on short notice. The more I think about this, the worse it feels.

    15. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Never a dull moment with JD and the Straight Shot at the helm.

      Z-man, did you say that the Chandler signing has not worked out for the team? What?

    16. Z-man

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Z-man, did you say that the Chandler signing has not worked out for the team? What?

      Well, I would agree that his DPOY in 2012-13 and his lofty TS% are impressive, though I’m not a fan of his extremely limited offensive repertoire/range. But you could fairly dispute whether it was a good GM move to squander the incredibly valuable amnesty provision on Billups’ expiring contract to acquire a non-franchise player (imho a kind way of describing Chandler.) We has just agreed to 2 max contracts, so keeping the amnesty provision as insurance vs.the cap for a year and working to trade Billups would have been a more prudent move. Or amnestying Amare right then and there, although I doubt that any GM would have had the balls (or Dolan’s permission) to do that.

    17. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Z-man: Well, I would agree that his DPOY in 2012-13 and his lofty TS% are impressive, though I’m not a fan of his extremely limited offensive repertoire/range. But you could fairly dispute whether it was a good GM move to squander the incredibly valuable amnesty provision on Billups’ expiring contract to acquire a non-franchise player (imho a kind way of describing Chandler.) We has just agreed to 2 max contracts, so keeping the amnesty provision as insurance vs.the cap for a year and working to trade Billups would have been a more prudent move. Or amnestying Amare right then and there, although I doubt that any GM would have had the balls (or Dolan’s permission) to do that.

      http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

      http://www.thenbageek.com/players/368-tyson-chandler

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chandty01.html

      I really don’t see how his “severely limited” scoring matters when the average C scores 2 more points on 5 more shots per 48. I really will never get that argument.

    18. Z-man

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

      http://www.thenbageek.com/players/368-tyson-chandler

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chandty01.html

      I really don’t see how his “severely limited” scoring matters when the average C scores 2 more points on 5 more shots per 48. I really will never get that argument.

      To be accurate, I said repertoire/range. I believe that unless a player like Chandler is on a team that enables him to completely forego any shot beyong 5 feet, he is an asset worth $14+ mill per year. The first stats you post have Chandler and Birdman Andersen about equal. Birdman was available at 1/10 the salary. Andersen’s WS48 (.309!) in the playoffs led the league, including LeBron. Anderson averaged nearly 20 points per 48 in the playoffs at a TS% of .815. His offensive rating was 150 in a quarter season’s worth of playoff games. He was no slouch during the regular season either (TS% of .631, WS48 of .207). What exactly does Chandler do that Andersen can’t do in the same exact role?

      Again, if you have zero post-up game and zero mid-range game, and you defer all but dunks, layups and putbacks to others (remember the stats I posted showing that Chandler’s % on these shots is not any better than Melo’s) then yes, you have a flawed offensive game and are not worth any significant part of the $14 million as an offensive player.

    19. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Z-man: To be accurate, I said repertoire/range. I believe that unless a player like Chandler is on a team that enables him to completely forego any shot beyong 5 feet, he is an asset worth $14+ mill per year. The first stats you post have Chandler and Birdman Andersen about equal. Birdman was available at 1/10 the salary. Andersen’s WS48 (.309!) in the playoffs led the league, including LeBron. Anderson averaged nearly 20 points per 48 in the playoffs at a TS% of .815. His offensive rating was 150 in a quarter season’s worth of playoff games. He was no slouch during the regular season either (TS% of .631, WS48 of .207). What exactly does Chandler do that Andersen can’t do in the same exact role?

      Do you think that Andersen is undervalued? I do. I wanted the Knicks to sign him very, very badly. He’s one of the best centers in the league, and he is perfect on that Heat team.

    20. Z-man

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Do you think that Andersen is undervalued? I do. I wanted the Knicks to sign him very, very badly. He’s one of the best centers in the league, and he is perfect on that Heat team.

      Be that as it may, we’re specifically discussing whether signing Chandler at $14Mil/4 years and using the amnesty on Billups to do so was an astute GMing job by GG. You have often brought up the notion of opportunity cost in defending your positions, and that is what I am alluding to here. If you could have picked up a guy on the scrap heap that produces the same per minute stats as a guy that you sacrificed a once in a CBA contract and a significant chunk of salary cap room, isn’t that a strike against you? Seriously, it’s not like anyone was itching to snap Birdman up before the Heat did, even the almighty Morey.

    21. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Z-man: Be that as it may, we’re specifically discussing whether signing Chandler at $14Mil/4 years and using the amnesty on Billups to do so was an astute GMing job by GG. You have often brought up the notion of opportunity cost in defending your positions, and that is what I am alluding to here. If you could have picked up a guy on the scrap heap that produces the same per minute stats as a guy that you sacrificed a once in a CBA contract and a significant chunk of salary cap room, isn’t that a strike against you? Seriously, it’s not like anyone was itching to snap Birdman up before the Heat did, even the almighty Morey.

      Amar’e should never have been signed, he should have been amnestied, and they should have signed both Chandler and Birdman, as 48 minutes of those two players would be a devastating combo no matter who’s on the floor with them.

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