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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Oct 26 2012)

  • [New York Newsday] Tyson Chandler day-to-day with bone bruise in knee (Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:24:36 EDT)
    The Knicks seem to have escaped what could have been a devastating injury to Tyson Chandler's left knee. An MRI done Thursday revealed a bone bruise, and the team has listed Chandler as day-to-day.

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Chandler: Only bone bruise (Fri, 26 Oct 2012 03:16:39 -0500)
    The Knicks’ dark preseason has gotten a shade brighter. It’s rare for the Knicks to receive heartening injury news, but they did Thursday when Tyson Chandler’s MRI exam showed only a bone bruise in his left knee. The club appears optimistic he will be ready for the season…

  • [New York Post] Stern to turn over NBA reins (Fri, 26 Oct 2012 03:03:44 -0500)
    David Stern is going away â?? but not quite yet.
    The NBA’s board of governors announced Thursday Stern finally will step down as the league’s commissioner on Feb. 1, 2014.
    Stern’s current deputy commissioner, Adam Silver, will take his place.
    “I told [the board] that it’s been…

  • [New York Post] Yoga helps Knicks’ 40-year-old center Thomas get to core of his talent (Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:31:21 -0500)
    While everyone on the Knicks seems to be dropping like flies, one player after another suffering from some sort of injury, the oldest Knick â?? 40-year-old forward Kurt Thomas â?? has managed to remain the picture of health.He has a secret: yoga. “It’s been really big for me,â? he said…

  • [New York Post] 5 Questions for… Marv Albert (Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:21:34 -0500)
    Justin Terranova talked with play-by-play legend Marv Albert, who will be calling the Knicks-Nets opener from Barclays Center on Thursday night. The TNT broadcaster said he is not confident the Knicks duo of Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire will figure out how to play together.

    Q: Do you think…

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks expect Chandler to be ready for season opener (Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:03:35 GMT)
    Tyson Chandler could be available to start the Knicks’ season opener Thursday in Brooklyn after an MRI on his left knee revealed no structural damage.

  • 52 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Oct 26 2012)

    1. Nick C.

      Which article did Marv say that in? The one I read had this:

      Q: What’s your biggest concern with the Knicks?

      A: It’s whether Amar’e (Stoudemire) and Carmelo (Anthony) can play effectively. It hasn’t happened to this point. I don’t know it if can. Are they better with Amar’e coming off the bench? Will he accept that? With Carmelo, who is a great talent, but you wonder how far you can go in the playoffs with Carmelo. We saw that in Denver. With the isolation and him being the main scorer, you look back at NBA history teams with guys like him don’t usually win championships.

    2. thenamestsam

      He also said

      “Their games are so similar I really don’t see how it can mesh. It may mesh on certain occasions, but over the long haul of 82 games and a playoff run, I think it’s very difficult. I look at Carmelo as someone who will have his greatest success on his next team as someone who comes off the bench as an instant-offense guy. and is not on the floor for 38-40 minutes.”

      But that is not the same as saying they are bench warmers. But anybody saying anything that is in any way critical of Melo counts as a disgrace in Ruruland.

      The majority of what he said is not outrageous. I personally agree with about 99% of it. The biggest question is whether Melo and Amare can play effectively together. Amare probably should come off the bench. I don’t necessarily agree that Melo would be best as a 6th man instant offense type role, but we saw this summer that he can thrive in such a role, and I wouldn’t be shocked if his best chance to win a championship comes later in his career in just such a role. Seems mostly fair to me.

    3. ruruland

      Nick C.:
      Which article did Marv say that in? The one I read had this:

      Q: What’s your biggest concern with the Knicks?

      A: It’s whether Amar’e (Stoudemire) and Carmelo (Anthony) can play effectively. It hasn’t happened to this point. I don’t know it if can. Are they better with Amar’e coming off the bench? Will he accept that? With Carmelo, who is a great talent, but you wonder how far you can go in the playoffs with Carmelo. We saw that in Denver. With the isolation and him being the main scorer, you look back at NBA history teams with guys like him don’t usually win championships.

      Keep reading

    4. er

      I agree but i love the fact that marv hates the knicks….it makes his in game comments hilarious. And if the knicks beat up on bk he will sound depressed all night lol

      thenamestsam:
      He also said

      “Their games are so similar I really don’t see how it can mesh. It may mesh on certain occasions, but over the long haul of 82 games and a playoff run, I think it’s very difficult. I look at Carmelo as someone who will have his greatest success on his next team as someone who comes off the bench as an instant-offense guy. and is not on the floor for 38-40 minutes.”

      But that is not the same as saying they are bench warmers. But anybody saying anything that is in any way critical of Melo counts as a disgrace in Ruruland.

      The majority of what he said is not outrageous. I personally agree with about 99% of it. The biggest question is whether Melo and Amare can play effectively together. Amare probably should come off the bench. I don’t necessarily agree that Melo would be best as a 6th man instant offense type role, but we saw this summer that he can thrive in such a role, and I wouldn’t be shocked if his best chance to win a championship comes later in his career in just such a role. Seems mostly fair to me.

    5. Brian Cronin

      That was a ridiculous point by Marv to suggest that Melo would be best served on the next team he plays for to be someone coming off the bench for instant offense. Unless, of course, Marv figures Melo will be a Knick until he’s 35. :)

      Or maybe he’ll join the Heat!

    6. er

      melo for bosh……lol melo at 5 lebron at 4, the new era of nba ahahaha

      Brian Cronin:
      That was a ridiculous point by Marv to suggest that Melo would be best served on the next team he plays for to be someone coming off the bench for instant offense. Unless, of course, Marv figures Melo will be a Knick until he’s 35. :)

      Or maybe he’ll join the Heat!

    7. ruruland

      thenamestsam:
      He also said

      “Their games are so similar I really don’t see how it can mesh. It may mesh on certain occasions, but over the long haul of 82 games and a playoff run, I think it’s very difficult. I look at Carmelo as someone who will have his greatest success on his next team as someone who comes off the bench as an instant-offense guy. and is not on the floor for 38-40 minutes.”

      But that is not the same as saying they are bench warmers. But anybody saying anything that is in any way critical of Melo counts as a disgrace in Ruruland.

      The majority of what he said is not outrageous. I personally agree with about 99% of it. The biggest question is whether Melo and Amare can play effectively together. Amare probably should come off the bench. I don’t necessarily agree that Melo would be best as a 6th man instant offense type role, but we saw this summer that he can thrive in such a role, and I wouldn’t be shocked if his best chance to win a championship comes later in his career in just such a role. Seems mostly fair to me.

      And Deron Williams will have his greatest success backing up Chris Paul. Lebron James and Kobe Bryant will have a chance at a championship if they play with another great player or two.

      Somehow outplaying the Lakers through 5 games of the WCF —when they were at their best— using Carmelo as 30+ usage player is not evidence that you can build a championship caliber team around him.

      That was the Dhantay Jones, Anthony Carter backcourt team, btw.

      Melo is best coming off the bench.

      Again, this is going to be a lot of fun.

    8. cgreene

      All that Melo coming off the bench stuff is crap. But the Amare Melo combo stuff is not. Maybe Amare’s injury gives Woodson a loophole on making him 6th man. Who knows. But, ruru, this ain’t going to be a lot of fun unless Melo’s TS% is well above where he was in pre season and Raymond plays well and JR plays well and Tyson is ok and etc and etc and etc. If they come out of the gate playing poorly then 3-8 is not out of the question. IMO (although early) that would be a disaster for the psyche of the team.

    9. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, the Amar’e/Melo stuff is pretty much the conventional wisdom by now. That wasn’t controversial. I guess Marv felt he was being too tame so he went with the outrageous Melo comment to spice things up.

    10. er

      i actually bynum being out helps the sixers in the two early matchups with the bockers. That team was killing people in the preseason with good d and good shooters. I am not sure when they insert bynum the team will have the same flow.

      3-8…..um nah i dont see that at all. It has to be completely catastrophic for that to happen. As we saw bk isnt that impressive, dallas doesnt have dirk etc.

      cgreene:
      All that Melo coming off the bench stuff is crap.But the Amare Melo combo stuff is not.Maybe Amare’s injury gives Woodson a loophole on making him 6th man.Who knows.But, ruru, this ain’t going to be a lot of fun unless Melo’s TS% is well above where he was in pre season and Raymond plays well and JR plays well and Tyson is ok and etc and etc and etc.If they come out of the gate playing poorly then 3-8 is not out of the question.IMO (although early) that would be a disaster for the psyche of the team.

    11. Nick C.

      ruruland: Keep reading

      I guess. Technically, but the inference I had since I read your comment first was that we were speaking present tense.

    12. er

      in a way it kinda is….hes basically saying nothing good will happen until he is a 6th man

      Nick C.: I guess. Technically, but the inference I had since I read your comment first was that we were speaking present tense.

    13. JC Knickfan

      3-8 in first 11 games. If Knicks are not at least 6-5, I would be disappointed.

      @Brooklyn -W
      Miami -L
      Philadelphia -W
      @Philadelphia -L
      Dallas -W
      @Orlando -W
      @San Antonio -L
      @Memphis -L
      Indiana -W
      @New Orleans -W
      @Dallas -L

    14. Frank O.

      To suggest that Melo is the equivalent of a Jamal Crawford or a JR Smith caliber player is an intentional slight of Anthony.
      He most certainly is not a one-dimensional player, nor is he a high energy player.
      He also, imho, is a rhythm scorer who is only slightly more prone to hit six or seven in a row as he is to miss six or seven in a row. He would not be a good bench guy.
      I also think he is a player you go to war with because he is tough and rugged and durable.
      But he needs a strong leader on his team to counter his personality and to also subjugate it to a degree so that it fits more into a team concept. A team with a strong leader will do well with Melo at the three or four.

    15. er

      this is a nice analysis

      Frank O.:
      To suggest that Melo is the equivalent of a Jamal Crawford or a JR Smith caliber player is an intentional slight of Anthony.
      He most certainly is not a one-dimensional player, nor is he a high energy player.
      He also, imho, is a rhythm scorer who is only slightly more prone to hit six or seven in a row as he is to miss six or seven in a row. He would not be a good bench guy.
      I also think he is a player you go to war with because he is tough and rugged and durable.
      But he needs a strong leader on his team to counter his personality and to also subjugate it to a degree so that it fits more into a team concept. A team with a strong leader will do well with Melo at the three or four.

    16. JC Knickfan

      ruruland: And Deron Williams will have his greatest success backing up Chris Paul. Lebron James and Kobe Bryant will have a chance at a championship if they play with another great player or two.

      Somehow outplaying the Lakers through 5 games of the WCF —when they were at their best— using Carmelo as 30+ usage player is not evidence that you can build a championship caliber team around him.

      That was the Dhantay Jones, Anthony Carter backcourt team, btw.

      Melo is best coming off the bench.
      Again, this is going to be a lot of fun.

      Honestly your telling us you didn’t know Chauncey Billups was starter? You know Melo sh_t pretty good, I found that very hard to believe. Do really need defend Melo so hard you have BS on this broad?

      BTW Billups play pretty well in those 16 games. He happen led the team minutes play, 3pt%, FT%, assist and 2nd in scoring 20 ppg.

    17. Glew

      How about that nba gm’s survey where melo was third in questions like “who is the best small forward”? third in “who will will the MVP”? 4th in “which player is best at getting his own shot”? third in “which player do you want taking a shot with the game on the line”? I would say most gm’s think melo is top 10 player in the NBA

      http://nbaschedule2013.com/2012/10/nba-gm-survey-2012-2013/

    18. d-mar

      I recently saw some ESPN roundtable show where every single participant picked the Nets to have a better record than the Knicks. I’ve said it before, the only way to shut up the Barkleys and the Marvs and the Reggie Millers (and pretty much every ESPN or TNT hoops commentator) is to come out this season and kick some butt. Otherwise, they’ll just keep mocking our team, and we won’t have much to complain about in that regard.

    19. er

      Its funny, i came away completely unimpressed by the nets in the preseason match up. Take a look at the first quarter, which was clearly the nets best of the game.

      1st issue was that chandler got hurt in a min. This caused numerous problems for the knicks. The biggest issue was the fact that the knicks went to a small lineup in which everyone slid up a position and kidd was inserted at the 2. This was an issue as the much bigger brewer was switched onto wallace and the nets exploited the kidd johnson mismatch in the post easily in the 1st. Secondly deron williams was just on fire, he was 3-3 from downtown and finished with 12 in the q while melo was laying a brick house going 1-9 in the first.

      when the knicks caught their bearings in from the second to the beggining of the 4th they were up by 12 when all of the starters went out. Brook lopez being soft as ever also. Mind you the knicks are literally missing 6 rotation players when the nets were completely healthy.

      so idk i may be in the minority but i think the nets will be a lot worse than the analysts think.

      d-mar:
      I recently saw some ESPN roundtable show where every single participant picked the Nets to have a better record than the Knicks. I’ve said it before, the only way to shut up the Barkleys and the Marvs and the Reggie Millers (and pretty much every ESPN or TNT hoops commentator) is to come out this season and kick some butt. Otherwise, they’ll just keep mocking our team, and we won’t have much to complain about in that regard.

    20. ruruland

      Brian Cronin: Don’t you mean the Chauncey Billups/Dhantay Jones backcourt?

      Of course.

      Billups was great. Nene was efficient. Andersen was solid. This Knicks team is a lot better than that Nuggets team.

    21. Brian Cronin

      It’s an interesting comparison. This team definitely has better depth, but I think the top-level of talent was better on that Nuggets team. To wit, Billups then was better on offense than any non-Melo Knick now, and while Chandler is better than Nene on defense, the Nene/Martin combo is better on defense than Chandler/Amar’e. Heck, Nene/Martin/Anderson is likely better on defense than Chandler/Amar’e/Camby.

    22. flossy

      The “Amar’e needs to come off the bench” people really crack me up.

      You do realize that unless Amar’e and Melo only play 24 mpg each, they WILL overlap for significant periods of time whether both start or not? Indeed, if each play their usual 34-36 mpg, they’ll be playing without one another for 12 minutes at the very most.

      If they can’t play well together on both sides of the floor, the Knicks will not be a successful basketball team, period, end of story. Trying to hide the team’s two most highly-paid players from one another is not a recipe for success, it’s the logical conclusion of a roster put together by a moron.

      Frankly, all the talk of benching Amar’e seems to be more of a “fuck you” to Amar’e from fans who wish he’d just get out of Melo’s way than it is any kind of realistic path to improving the team, like maybe if he was insulted enough he’d request a trade or something. Whether or not he comes off the bench or what, he is not going to thrive unless plays are run for him and our PGs (and, ahem, other players) consistently look to get him the ball. Bringing him off the bench does not help because, as I mentioned, he and Melo are going to spend a lot of time on the floor together no matter what–they HAVE to play well together or this team is going nowhere fast.

    23. Frank

      Twitterverse aflutter with rumors re: Amare’s knee. Isola says may miss first month of season, and also that he’s getting a second opinion. We may really need Copeland and Rasheed to step up!

    24. ruruland

      JC Knickfan: Honestly your telling us you didn’t know Chauncey Billups was starter? You know Melo sh_t pretty good, I found that very hard to believe. Do really need defend Melo so hard you have BS on this broad?

      BTW Billups play pretty well in those 16 games. He happen led the team minutes play, 3pt%, FT%, assist and 2nd in scoring 20 ppg.

      No, the point was that Jones and Carter, two extremely inefficient offensive players ( Carter .490 TS and 23 mpg, Jones .533 TS and 18 mpg) were backcourt stables that year.

      All of that, and Melo battling injuries all year like he did last year, and it was the 7th most efficient offense in the NBA.

      The Knicks don’t have a Billups, but they have better shooters, a more efficient frontcourt, better back-up wings, and a superior overall defense.

      The Nuggets were actually a much better team in 2009-10 (additions of Afflallo and Lawson) they were 47-22 prior to the Karl cancer and the frontcourt all going down at once (which made for an awful team playoff series, despite Melo carrying the team through five games)

      Also, Chauncey really only had one good playoff series in his Denver career. When the game gets more physical he tends to struggle because he largely lives off the whistle.

    25. knicknyk

      It is Frank Isola so take it with a grain of salt. Some are suspecting that Amare may need another micro fracture surgery. Apparently, when Pheonix offered him a contract at that third year was dependent on how many games he played (whether he would get his full salary). Suns beat writers were saying that it was in this year that he would likely need another microfracture surgery that is why management structured his contract the way they did. The beat writer thinks this is where things are heading.

      Amar’e Stoudemire is seeking a second opinion to determine the severity of the left knee injury that could keep the Knicks power forward sidelined for the first month of the NBA regular season.

      Stoudemire is consulting with Phoenix Suns orthopedic surgeon Dr. Thomas Carter, according to a Suns source. Dr. Carter performed microfracture surgery on Stoudemire’s left knee in 2005. It is customary, and in some cases encouraged by teams, that players get a second opinion from an independent physician.

      The Knicks team doctors discovered that Stoudemire suffered a ruptured cyst on his left knee during last week’s exhibition game against the Toronto Raptors. The timetable given by the Knicks for Stoudemire’s return is two to four weeks but the same source says a more plausible timetable is four to five weeks.

      Under that scenario, the Knicks will be without their second leading scorer for most of November when they’ll play 15 games in the month, including nine on the road.

      Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/amar-seek-opinion-injured-knee-article-1.1193217#ixzz2ARG9qfjf

    26. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      It’s an interesting comparison. This team definitely has better depth, but I think the top-level of talent was better on that Nuggets team. To wit, Billups then was better on offense than any non-Melo Knick now, and while Chandler is better than Nene on defense, the Nene/Martin combo is better on defense than Chandler/Amar’e. Heck, Nene/Martin/Anderson is likely better on defense than Chandler/Amar’e/Camby.

      Nene is an average defender at best. Andersen was weaned out of the rotation because he plays so out of control.

      Martin was a wonderfully versatile and tough playoff defender, but it was one of the worst defensive rebounding frontcourts in the NBA.

      The Nuggets never had a 25 game stretch like the Knicks had last year under Woodson.

      It doomed them against Lal, and Utah (though all three big men played injured in that series)

    27. jon abbey

      flossy:
      Indeed, if each play their usual 34-36 mpg, they’ll be playing without one another for 12 minutes at the very most.

      that’s not true and is exactly why people are saying Amar’e should come off the bench. if they each sit for 14 minutes per game and one is on the floor at all times, they might only play 20 minutes together, not 36. that’s a big difference.

      moot point for now anyway, as it seems that Amar’e will be playing 0 minutes per game for a while.

    28. ruruland

      Frank:
      Twitterverse aflutter with rumors re: Amare’s knee. Isola says may miss first month of season, and also that he’s getting a second opinion. We may really need Copeland and Rasheed to step up!

      Copeland looks legit to me. Could be another blessing in disguise.

    29. ruruland

      flossy:
      The “Amar’e needs to come off the bench” people really crack me up.

      Did you know Melo has a 25 usage when he plays with Amar’e?

      Amar’e's efficiency would have gown down regardless of Anthony’s prescence, had he alone played with Billups.

      It would have gone down playing alongside Douglas and Bibby.

      Amar’e efficiency, which was +.600 TS in the final 22 games of the season including playoffs, is largely dependent on pick-and-roll capable pgs.

      The Knicks have three of those now.

      The Knicks need Amar’e to go where they’re capable of going, and I expect he’ll be back, and within a few weeks, the same guy who was extremely efficient and just good enough on defense to be the same key cog he was when the Knicks went 18-6.

      Let’s hope he has a couple more years left in that knee.

    30. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      It’s an interesting comparison. This team definitely has better depth, but I think the top-level of talent was better on that Nuggets team. To wit, Billups then was better on offense than any non-Melo Knick now, and while Chandler is better than Nene on defense, the Nene/Martin combo is better on defense than Chandler/Amar’e. Heck, Nene/Martin/Anderson is likely better on defense than Chandler/Amar’e/Camby.

      The Nuggets were 8th in defensive efficiency that year, with a guy at pg who lost most of his individual match-ups, and was actually better suited at defending sgs, which he is to this day (which is why he starts at 2 guard, and why he came up as a combo guard. The Pistons often let Hamilton take pgs in Detroit)

      (Jones guarded Paul in the playoffs)

      Jones was ok, even if he looked pretty poor by most defensive metrics (opp. per, defensive +/-)

      The Nuggets did not have anything resembling a potential Brewer/Shumpert 1/2 punch. And the Knicks should be better than 23rd in defensive rebound rate as Denver was that year.

    31. Frank

      ruruland: The Nuggets did not have anything resembling a potential Brewer/Shumpert 1/2 punch. And the Knicks should be better than 23rd in defensive rebound rate as Denver was that year.

      Really looking forward to Brewer + Shump + Chandler + Rasheed/Camby + whoever defensive lockdown lineup in crunch time. I guess Melo can be the whoever.

    32. ruruland

      Frank: Really looking forward to Brewer + Shump + Chandler + Rasheed/Camby + whoever defensive lockdown lineup in crunch time.I guess Melo can be the whoever.

      That’s lock down for short stretches.

      What I like is the idea that when everyone’s back, you can play Shumpert and Brewer 50 minutes on Lebron and Wade, and still be able to use your shooters and Melo because they too play small.

      You can do the same thing to Boston because they play small. Same thing with Jersey.

      You’ve then got 4-5 guys to throw at a Bynum on another night.

      The Knicks can more than survive 2-3 guys out for a few weeks. And when Amar’e gets back, it might be time to give a guy like Kidd a breather, and move everyone else back to their normal positions.

      Chandler will need 5-10 games as well.

    33. thenamestsam

      ruruland: That’s lock down for short stretches.

      What I like is the idea that when everyone’s back, you can play Shumpert and Brewer 50 minutes on Lebron and Wade, and still be able to use your shooters and Melo because they too play small.

      Not sure I agree with this. That’s the magic of Miami – they don’t actually play small. If they go Wade-Allen-Batter-Lebron-Bosh, people will call them small but actually that’s an extremely BIG lineup. They’re basically normal or better sized at every position, they’ll just play like a small team, spreading the floor with shooters and attacking the rim.

      If we try to stick either Shump or Brewer on Lebron I think we’ll be way too small to protect the rim and we’ll get hurt on the glass. For example a lineup like Felton-Shump-Brewer-Melo-Chandler while having good defensive matchups on Lebron and Wade and allowing us to give Melo a rest on Battier is going to have a lot of trouble I think. I still don’t think we have anyone that we can stick on Lebron regularly while allowing us to compete size-wise except Melo (which is too much to ask in a series), and that’s a big problem.

      Anyway, this is getting way ahead of ourselves. How we match up with individual teams can wait until we make sure this team is at least good.

    34. ruruland

      thenamestsam: Not sure I agree with this. That’s the magic of Miami – they don’t actually play small. If they go Wade-Allen-Batter-Lebron-Bosh, people will call them small but actually that’s an extremely BIG lineup. They’re basically normal or better sized at every position, they’ll just play like a small team, spreading the floor with shooters and attacking the rim.

      If we try to stick either Shump or Brewer on Lebron I think we’ll be way too small to protect the rim and we’ll get hurt on the glass. For example a lineup like Felton-Shump-Brewer-Melo-Chandler while having good defensive matchups on Lebron and Wade and allowing us to give Melo a rest on Battier is going to have a lot of trouble I think. I still don’t think we have anyone that we can stick on Lebron regularly while allowing us to compete size-wise except Melo (which is too much to ask in a series), and that’s a big problem.

      A Shump,Brewer,Smith,Melo,Chandler lineup isn’t discernibly smaller.

      The Knicks would have the superior inside prescence and rebounder. No, New York wouldn’t have as much shooting, but the idea would be there isn’t a team that can offer a defensive 1-2 punch on Wade and Lebron like the Knicks can.

      Wade had a .498 TS in the Bulls series two years ago. Lebron’s numbers were down. It was Bosh who killed the Bulls.

      If the Knicks can close out on those shooters and force them to put the ball on the floor –something Smith, Brewer, and Shumpert are more capable of than Battier and Allen— make it a brawl, then you just never know.

      Of course guys are going to have to play great. Only the Lakers can beat Miami on paper (*maybe*)….

      Melo would have to be incredible, other guys would have to make some shots. But that lineup would pose problems.

    35. JK47

      Is anybody here really expecting a big season from Amar’e? Isn’t that just wishful thinking at this point? He’s going to miss a month now, and when he comes back it’s going to take him a lot of time to get his timing back and to get into the flow.

    36. thenamestsam

      ruruland: A Shump,Brewer,Smith,Melo,Chandler lineup isn’t discernibly smaller.

      The Knicks would have the superior inside prescence and rebounder. No, New York wouldn’t have as much shooting, but the idea would be there isn’t a team that can offer a defensive 1-2 punch on Wade and Lebron like the Knicks can.

      Wade had a .498 TS in the Bulls series two years ago. Lebron’s numbers were down. It was Bosh who killed the Bulls.

      If the Knicks can close out on those shooters and force them to put the ball on the floor –something Smith, Brewer, and Shumpert are more capable of than Battier and Allen— make it a brawl, then you just never know.

      Of course guys are going to have to play great. Only the Lakers can beat Miami on paper (*maybe*)….

      Melo would have to be incredible, other guys would have to make some shots. But that lineup would pose problems.

      It’s not way smaller, but it plays significantly smaller in my opinion. With Lebron and Battier they have two guys who are excellent helping at the rim, something that Melo and Brewer aren’t as good at. Plus Wade plays as big as any guard in the league – he has an excellent post game and he’s the ebst shot blocking guard in history. I think they have a better time protecting the rim and getting defensive rebounds in that small lineup than we would – especially because Bosh can take Chandler away from the rim on O.

      But anyway I mostly take your point that having multiple excellent perimeter defenders gives us a step up against them relative to other teams. For the record though I’d say Allen and Gay is at least one example of a pair of teammates better equipped to guard them.

    37. ruruland

      JK47:
      Is anybody here really expecting a big season from Amar’e?Isn’t that just wishful thinking at this point?He’s going to miss a month now, and when he comes back it’s going to take him a lot of time to get his timing back and to get into the flow.

      Well, as long as he’s not dealing with trying to lose a bunch of weight, he had such a great off-season, I don’t think it would take more than a couple of weeks.

      I mean, like he is wont to tell the media, he really missed all of the off-season last year, and didn’t even have time to work back into it, so that took some time. took him three months to get the weight off.

      Unless we’re dealing with a long-term chronic injury (which obviously changes everything) I think Amar’e still comes back for a big year.

      You don’t put in the work he put in without wanting to prove something. He’s come back from much more devastating injuries.

      I still think he’ll be one of the best second scorers in the game: 23-26 per 36, 590-610 TS

      Again, the second test is a precaution. But as Isola points out, there is definitely reason for concern.

    38. ruruland

      thenamestsam: It’s not way smaller, but it plays significantly smaller in my opinion. With Lebron and Battier they have two guys who are excellent helping at the rim, something that Melo and Brewer aren’t as good at. Plus Wade plays as big as any guard in the league – he has an excellent post game and he’s the ebst shot blocking guard in history. I think they have a better time protecting the rim and getting defensive rebounds in that small lineup than we would – especially because Bosh can take Chandler away from the rim on O.

      But anyway I mostly take your point that having multiple excellent perimeter defenders gives us a step up against them relative to other teams. For the record though I’d say Allen and Gay is at least one example of a pair of teammates better equipped to guard them.

      Allen and Gay is a good one, but again, I don’t think we’ve seen how good Shump can be….. Gay has the length, is a good defender, but I wouldn’t say he’s had any amount of success against Lebron historically (maybe I’m wrong). AT least Brewer is known for really getting into the guy.

      Also, Melo can get into Lebron as well. We saw some of that last year in short bursts. But the Heat cross-matching Melo, and the Knicks being unable to cross-match back, really wore Melo down imo.

      But i you can set it up so that Melo guards Lebron when Lebron guards Melo — something like 10-15 minutes a game..

    39. ruruland

      thenamestsam: It’s not way smaller, but it plays significantly smaller in my opinion. With Lebron and Battier they have two guys who are excellent helping at the rim, something that Melo and Brewer aren’t as good at. Plus Wade plays as big as any guard in the league – he has an excellent post game and he’s the ebst shot blocking guard in history. I think they have a better time protecting the rim and getting defensive rebounds in that small lineup than we would – especially because Bosh can take Chandler away from the rim on O.

      But anyway I mostly take your point that having multiple excellent perimeter defenders gives us a step up against them relative to other teams. For the record though I’d say Allen and Gay is at least one example of a pair of teammates better equipped to guard them.

      They do have rim protection, but the reason they had so much success against New York is because they overplayed passing lanes so frequently.

      Woodson and his staff spent days trying to figure out ways to beat it, because I think they all know in the back of their minds that if they can get them to play they way they’re capable, they’ll be back in that situation, hopefully the ECF with home court.

      Shumpert and Smith would have to be much more aggressive drivers to loosen up their defense.

      But not having Bibby/Davis on the floor should alleviate some of those issues. having an adroit high-low passer in Camby should help some, too.

    40. yellowboy90

      Yea I have to agree with thenamestsam about Melo and being a bad Rim protector at the 4. However, once Chandler went down against the NEts I thought he actually showed better and talk. He was playing good hard D as a 4. If Melo can play like that then NY will be better. Also, I do not like Chandler against Bosh. That really puts pressure on Melo to be a rim protector because Bosh will pull CHandler out and he struggles a little away from the basket to my eyes.

    41. JC Knickfan

      ruruland: No, the point was that Jones and Carter, two extremely inefficient offensive players ( Carter .490 TS and 23 mpg, Jones .533 TS and 18 mpg) were backcourt stables that year.

      All of that, and Melo battling injuries all year like he did last year, and it was the 7th most efficient offense in the NBA.

      The Knicks don’t have a Billups, but they have better shooters, a more efficient frontcourt, better back-up wings, and a superior overall defense.

      The Nuggets were actually a much better team in 2009-10 (additions of Afflallo and Lawson) they were 47-22 prior to the Karl cancer and the frontcourt all going down at once (which made for an awful team playoff series, despite Melo carrying the team through five games)

      Also, Chauncey really only had one good playoff series in his Denver career. When the game gets more physical he tends to struggle because he largely lives off the whistle.

      Your post talk about playoff specifically the WCF. Billup played 39 minutes and JR Smith play 28 minutes a game. You spin it like Melo almost beat Lakers by himself with Carter/Jones starting in back court.

      Then next year Denver as the higher seed they lost in first round to Utah. You now say Front court all went down same time? Nene, K-Mart and Melo was starting front court and basically Nene miss 1 game in 6 game series. Can you exaggerate anymore?

      Again you said Melo carry them for 5 games. Game 2 at home he shot below average 0.506 TS. You have hold serve at home.
      Same thing game 5 he shot 0.508 TS, but Nugget did win.
      Then game 6 he shot crabby 0.379 TS and of course they lost.

      Out 6 game half he shot below league average. That what you consider carrying the team?

    42. jon abbey

      Ryan Anderson goes from playing with Dwight Howard to Anthony Davis, he’s good but I’d love to see how he’d do with a non-superstar as his main big man.

    43. Juany8

      jon abbey:
      Ryan Anderson goes from playing with Dwight Howard to Anthony Davis, he’s good but I’d love to see how he’d do with a non-superstar as his main big man.

      To be fair Anthony Davis is only going to be a superstar big man on defense, unless you think Tyson Chandler is an offensive superstar since I could see Davis putting up a high percentage on mostly layups lol

    44. jon abbey

      well, he scored 24 last night in Miami. granted it was preseason, but Chandler has exactly two games in his whole career where he’s scored that much (25 once last year, 27 once in 2002).

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