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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Oct 19 2012)

  • [New York Post] Amar’e set to return to Knicks lineup; time to mesh with Melo (Fri, 19 Oct 2012 03:58:45 -0500)
    MONTREAL â?? Carmelo Anthony has been razor-sharp in the Knicks’ first two preseason games â?? lithe, quick, effortless. Now let’s see if Anthony can continue his groove Friday night with Amar’e Stoudemire by his side as the Knicks get set to battle the Raptors at the Bell Centre.
    After sitting…

  • [New York Post] Injured Smith to miss road trip (Fri, 19 Oct 2012 03:00:28 -0500)
    MONTREAL â?? J.R. Smith has been booted from the Knicks three-game preseason road trip that begins tonight against the Raptors.
    Smith, now wearing a protective boot on his left foot, didn’t practice yesterday and will not make the Knicks three-game trip. Smith missed Saturday’s game in Hartford with…

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks face Raptors in Montreal Friday night (Fri, 19 Oct 2012 04:44:23 GMT)
    MONTREAL â?? Now starts the most intriguing, if not critical, part of the Knicks’ preseason, as Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire take the court together for the first time since their season ended in Miami last spring.

  • 71 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Oct 19 2012)

    1. danvt

      I think the assist might be the most over rated stat. I mean, I could maybe get one in an NBA game. All you have to do is pass the ball to someone who makes a shot. I didn’t see the game, so, someone tell me whether this is true, but of Jeremy Lin’s 12 assists the other night, probably many were to Patrick Patterson (7-12) or Kevin Martin (8-11). How many of these were perfectly placed alley-oops? How many were on jump shots? I’m not really familiar with Patterson’s game but Kevin Martin made 4-5 3pt shots and had only three free throw attempts, so he was doing his damage from distance. The Rockets shot 9-22 for a, more than respectable, 40% from three. With the amount of time Jeremy Lin had the ball in his hands (31 minutes) and the relatively few shots he took (3-9, 0-3 wuccchhh!) doesn’t it stand to reason that, with the team shooting the ball the way they did, he should have 12 or so assists? Meanwhile who was guarding Mike Conley (7-10) and one time KB darling Josh Selby (4-8)?

    2. Z-man

      I would disagree. Any stat can be overrated. For example, when LeBron sets you up perfectly for an uncontested dunk by drawing 3 defenders, the assist actually underestimates your value in creating the two points in that any stiff (or even you!) could score that basket. At the end of the day (or a bunch of games) the “weak” stat tally balanced out. PGs who average a lot of assists are better passers and readers of floor situations than those that don’t. I’ve been critical of Lin’s shooting and defense, but the dude is a very good passer. While he is clearly way too turnover-prone, I believe that most of his turnovers are due to putting himself into (or letting himself get funneled into) awkward situations, e.g. leaving his feet too early, not seeing the defender lurking in the passing lanes, committing to the shot too soon, stuff like that.

    3. danvt

      Z-man: the assist actually underestimates your value in creating the two points in that any stiff (or even you!) could score that basket.

      That’s awesome and hilarious, but I’m not sure I could ever score inside no matter how many defenders LBJ drew. I mean, someone with long arms can recover. Plus, making even a point blank look, at the speed you’d need to do it, is harder than throwing it to an open teammate. I can’t argue that a better passer gets more assists but I can, maybe, make an argument that we have enough passing to make up for losing stats like 3-9, 0-3, 12 ast. 5 defensive rebounds. Especially since, except for Novak and Melo at the end, our shooting was horrible, and the problem last year, with every guard either being a terrible shooter, a low volume shooter, or both.

    4. Brian Cronin

      Who do you think is the most underrated coach in the NBA?

      I think I’m leaning towards Adelman (everyone knows he is good but he is really one of the very top coaches out there and he doesn’t seem to get that level of respect – I mean, he’s somehow never even won Coach of the Year!) and Dwayne Casey. Casey really seems to be sewing a silk purse out of a sow’s ear in Toronto. But the thing that really impresses me about Casey is he is doing it through the best way you can go when it comes to trying to wring wins out of a not-super-talented team, he’s doing it by getting players not known for defense to play defense. That’s good. However, unlike other coaches with similar approaches like Scott Skiles, Casey does it without his players hating him. In fact, they love him. Even his former players all love the guy. Look how happy Chandler was to give him his ring last season! It’s very impressive.

    5. Z-man

      danvt: That’s awesome and hilarious, but I’m not sure I could ever score inside no matter how many defenders LBJ drew. I mean, someone with long arms can recover. Plus, making even a point blank look, at the speed you’d need to do it, is harder than throwing it to an open teammate. I can’t argue that a better passer gets more assists but I can, maybe, make an argument that we have enough passing to make up for losing stats like 3-9, 0-3, 12 ast. 5 defensive rebounds. Especially since, except for Novak and Melo at the end, our shooting was horrible, and the problem last year, with every guard either being a terrible shooter, a low volume shooter, or both.

      Passing and piling up assists is a critical PG skill, but certainly not the end-all. In a prior post, I commented that Mark Jackson is, imho, a good statistical upside comparison to Lin at this stage. Early in his career, Jackson was an electric passer and primary ball handler with some go-to moves offensively (the tear drop was his big one) but who had a number of glaring deficiencies that were magnified vs. playoff competition (defense, poor perimeter shooting). People initially went nuts over Jackson, but after a few years, many (including myself) had soured on him. In his early 30’s he finally developed into a solid 2-way playoff PG for the Pacers, but it took him a long time to get there. Maybe Lin gets there sooner, maybe not at all, who knows? He’s got the passing part down, though.

    6. Z-man

      Brian Cronin: Who do you think is the most underrated coach in the NBA? I think I’m leaning towards Adelman (everyone knows he is good but he is really one of the very top coaches out there and he doesn’t seem to get that level of respect – I mean, he’s somehow never even won Coach of the Year!) and Dwayne Casey. Casey really seems to be sewing a silk purse out of a sow’s ear in Toronto.

      Mike D’Antoni. If you don’t believe me, just ask him.

      I suppose that for how he’s percieved vs. how his team does, you could call Spoelstra underrated…

    7. thenamestsam

      Z-man: Mike D’Antoni. If you don’t believe me, just ask him.

      I suppose that for how he’s percieved vs. how his team does, you could call Spoelstra underrated…

      I think Spo is a good answer. I think there’s a perception that because of the talent that team doesn’t require much coaching, but I think that the lack of talent at the other positions has actually demanded some good work from him the last couple of years. That team was still tinkering with their rotations and starting lineups right up to the finals, and he managed to get all the pieces in place. Very impressive.

      Another guy is Monty Williams. I mean small sample size obviously, but I really liked what he has done with the Hornets the last couple years. First year I thought he did a nice job overcoming West’s injury woes and still making them competitive. And last year, seriously low talent, but they didn’t pack it in like lots of bad NBA teams do and they played their asses off for him. His players seem to really respect him, and he has gotten good results for the talent on the team both years. Dude has no cache league wide, but I think he can be a really good coach for a long time.

    8. Brian Cronin

      Oh yeah, I like Monty Williams a lot, as well. I just think you see a lot of stories about how good he is. I especially recall during the Hornets/Lakers series a couple of years ago that he got a ton of buzz, so I think he’s properly rated.

    9. Jafa

      I’m sorry, I don’t believe in Spoelstra at all. If you swap him out for a number of coaches, Miami is still a juggernaut. He is very easily replaceable on that team. And Lebron has a knack for making his coaches look better than they actually are (see Mike Brown).

      Remember when Lawrence Frank was a good coach? Yeah, when he had Kidd in his prime running the show, he looked great. Since then, he is now an average or below average coach. I think Spoelstra is the same kind of coach.

    10. Gideon Zaga

      Heh did somebody say Dantoni, please don’t get me started. But on the subject I definitely agree on Adelman, I think he brings more out of his players, makes good point guards and post players. I would have added Nate McMillan if not for Feltons fat ass. The guy always made the playoffs year after year while being hit constantly with the injury bug. The guy always knew how to make more with less and also gave the Lakers a fit every single time. Too bad he couldn’t handle the mutiny of Felton, and I mean Felton? Please. At least MDA had the decency of being put out by King Melo, a respected superstar and not Felton, a fat well I guess it really ends there

    11. Gideon Zaga

      And speaking of Coach Spo, am I the only one who thinks the Heat championship was kind of fluke-ish. I mean looking back at Game 7 of the conf finals against Boston. I think Doc overreacted from the fact that Lebron went for 40 something in Game 6 and put the slower but stronger Bass to guard Lebron 1 on 1. Skip Bayless always hits Lebron with this stat that Lebron was 18% on shots outside the paint in that series. If Doc had stuck to his gameplan of daring him to shoot. I’m sure we’d be having a different conversation right now. Now the finals is another story. KD is just too buddy buddy with Lebron, man I miss the 70’s-90’s where everyone pretty much hated everyone. Hey but I digress. The point is Spoelstra sucks and I have no reason why. I think he just does.

    12. thenamestsam

      Jafa:
      I’m sorry, I don’t believe in Spoelstra at all.If you swap him out for a number of coaches, Miami is still a juggernaut.He is very easily replaceable on that team.And Lebron has a knack for making his coaches look better than they actually are (see Mike Brown).

      Remember when Lawrence Frank was a good coach?Yeah, when he had Kidd in his prime running the show, he looked great.Since then, he is now an average or below average coach.I think Spoelstra is the same kind of coach.

      While Miami does have great talent obviously I think it’s pretty far from a simple team to make play well. Their two best players are both naturally perimeter ball dominators on offense who are used to having everything run through them. Neither is a good jump shooter. Their 3rd best player has been a PF his whole career and was never known as a rim protector or rebounder at all. Then they have a whole slew of mediocre big men, a couple inconsistent PGs, and a couple of guys whose main purpose is to hit open 3s.

      Since day 1 of that team coming together people have been saying that the pieces didn’t fit well but by the finals last year Spo had somehow taken a bunch of oddly fitting pieces and formed a unit that played a very unusual style but was very effective doing it. It’s not like they just won because Lebron and Wade were too good for everyone else. They won because they actually did manage to form a coherent system that brought the best out of Lebron, Bosh and a number of the role players without trivializing Wade. I thought it was a pretty masterful coaching job.

    13. Gideon Zaga

      Look at this idiot

      “@Al_Iannazzone: Landry Fields said he needed a change, lost confidence and and some of his comfort level after Melo trade.”

      Yeah let’s blame Melo for everything. How about this why not blame Melo for Amare’s brother dying. His brother was shining until Melo got in the mix and took his shine. So his comfort level went down and he took to drinking then got behind a wheel. Fucking idiot. Hey Landry how about them open shots u passed up. Overpaid Moron.

    14. thenamestsam

      Gideon Zaga:
      And speaking of Coach Spo, am I the only one who thinks the Heat championship was kind of fluke-ish. I mean looking back at Game 7 of the conf finals against Boston. I think Doc overreacted from the fact that Lebron went for 40 something in Game 6 and put the slower but stronger Bass to guard Lebron 1 on 1. Skip Bayless always hits Lebron with this stat that Lebron was 18% on shots outside the paint in that series. If Doc had stuck to his gameplan of daring him to shoot. I’m sure we’d be having a different conversation right now. Now the finals is another story. KD is just too buddy buddy with Lebron, man I miss the 70?s-90?s where everyone pretty much hated everyone. Hey but I digress. The point is Spoelstra sucks and I have no reason why. I think he just does.

      Agree that Doc overreacted to Game 6 in Game 7, but I also think it’s fair to say that Boston was only in Game 7 because Bosh was hurt. They’re just not the same team without him, especially defensively. The Celtics averaged 90 points per 100 possessions when Bosh was on the floor and 103 when he wasn’t. I think if Bosh is healthy it’s a 5 game series just like the previous year.

      There were fluky elements to Miami’s win, and especially the Finals was a lot closer than the final 4-1 tally makes it look, but I’d say this. Bosh was out for half the playoffs and probably less than 100% for the rest. Wade was way less than 100%. Haslem clearly wasn’t healthy(Miller too, but he probably never will be again). Lebron didn’t shoot well at all in the playoffs. And yet they still got it done. I think it’s very likely that they’re significantly stronger in this year’s playoffs than they were in last years, even ignoring the addition Allen.

    15. thenamestsam

      Gideon Zaga:
      Look at this idiot

      “@Al_Iannazzone: Landry Fields said he needed a change, lost confidence and and some of his comfort level after Melo trade.”

      Yeah let’s blame Melo for everything. How about this why not blame Melo for Amare’s brother dying. His brother was shining until Melo got in the mix and took his shine. So his comfort level went down and he took to drinking then got behind a wheel. Fucking idiot. Hey Landry how about them open shots u passed up. Overpaid Moron.

      Jesus, that is quite a rant for such a harmless quote. I think the Melo critics have made some of his proponents so defensive that they’re overreacting to every perceived slight.

      You realize how much you’re reading into that by assuming he’s blaming Melo specifically right? Before the trade the team was almost a completely different set of players and played a pretty different style than after the trade. Saying he wasn’t as comfortable after the trade IS NOT the same as blaming Melo. You’re seeing what you want to see.

    16. StatsTeacher

      Z-man: Passing and piling up assists is a critical PG skill, but certainly not the end-all. In a prior post, I commented that Mark Jackson is, imho, a good statistical upside comparison to Lin at this stage. Early in his career, Jackson was an electric passer and primary ball handler with some go-to moves offensively (the tear drop was his big one) but who had a number of glaring deficiencies that were magnified vs. playoff competition (defense, poor perimeter shooting). People initially went nuts over Jackson, but after a few years, many (including myself) had soured on him. In his early 30?s he finally developed into a solid 2-way playoff PG for the Pacers, but it took him a long time to get there. Maybe Lin gets there sooner, maybe not at all, who knows? He’s got the passing part down, though.

      Nice post, great points. Watching Lin — he clearly has some unique skill combinations that seem rare. He has defieciences, no doubt, but I think they are more shooting related than defense related (4 steals the other night, solid D on Conley, which didn’t come through in box score). I loved Mark Jackson as a player, interesting to watch him as coach of GS now — last year really humbled him. Lin made a 3 and a nice j that were waived off becasue Asik was playing NFL left tackle instead of center. We’ll see if Lin’s j comes back (he was always up and down, even during Linsanity). Lastly, I now begrudgingly think the knicks were smart to go with Felton, could be a better fit (less shots, less turnovers, more experience) for PG. I still think what the Knicks did via roster creation is risky as hell from a health perspective — 6 guys *** SIX*** guys out due to injury right now?! Or is it 5 or 4? Vs the Wiz the other night, the graphic on the screen was 6 dudes out.

    17. H20

      Jafa:
      I think D’Antoni would be great coaching the Clippers or the Blazers.

      Clippers are an interesting destination, obviously most coaches would be an upgrade over Vinny but I dont he fits well with their roster. He usually relies on having his Pf being a floor spacer/stretch 4 and Blake obvioussly doesent fit the bill, I gurantee that he would start odom at the 4 and Blake at the 5 hoping that Odom can regain his shooting touch from 3.

    18. StatsTeacher

      MDA will either end up in LA or Houston, either way he gets a PG that at least does what he wants. McHale is on better footing right now, but in the NBA one 8 game losing skid changes everything.

    19. H20

      StatsTeacher:
      MDA will either end up in LA or Houston, either way he gets a PG that at least does what he wants.McHale is on better footing right now, but in the NBA one 8 game losing skid changes everything.

      I never liked Dantoni as a coach but I would like to see him go to Houston and re-unite with Lin.

    20. JK47

      If I hear “Ray Felton is a better fit” one more time I swear I’m going to lose it. He is not a better fit, he was the scrap-heap option that happened to be available when Dolan decided he didn’t want to pay Lin’s contract.

    21. StatsTeacher

      JK47:
      If I hear “Ray Felton is a better fit” one more time I swear I’m going to lose it.He is not a better fit, he was the scrap-heap option that happened to be available when Dolan decided he didn’t want to pay Lin’s contract.

      To be sure the Knicks decided to screw the fans — blow it up before we see if they can win. GS did it even worse after they took down #1 Dallas seed as the #8 seed and then management decided they didn’t like that style of play (read: too many egos/contracts) and just blew it the fuck up. I am pissed because it has happened twice to teams I became a solid fan only to have my guts ripped out.

    22. Juany8

      JK47:
      If I hear “Ray Felton is a better fit” one more time I swear I’m going to lose it.He is not a better fit, he was the scrap-heap option that happened to be available when Dolan decided he didn’t want to pay Lin’s contract.

      He’s a better passer, he’s better at avoiding turnovers, he’s better at defense, and he’s at least as good at outside shooting. Lin is the clearly superior player, but the Knicks don’t necessarily need another scorer as much as they need defense and playmaking all over. Could be that Felton is at least as good a fit, if not a better one

    23. JK47

      Juany8: He’s a better passer, he’s better at avoiding turnovers, he’s better at defense, and he’s at least as good at outside shooting. Lin is the clearly superior player, but the Knicks don’t necessarily need another scorer as much as they need defense and playmaking all over. Could be that Felton is at least as good a fit, if not a better one

      He’s a better passer? Hmm. Felton’s AST% is generally in the low 30’s. In his best season it was 35.8. Lin’s AST% last year was 41.0. So in his first extended playing time he easily beat Felton’s career best.

      A better defender? Not according to Synergy. Felton is only a better defender according to people’s “eye test.”

      Better at avoiding turnovers? Okay. Score one for Felton.

      Better at outside shooting? That one’s a push.

      You want to win basketball games? Get good players. That’s the best “fit,” the guy who is good at the game of basketball. Saying that the worse player is a better fit is wishful thinking and fanboi-ism.

    24. StatsTeacher

      JK47 you forgot steals. As a dude pointed out on the Houston blogs, in Lin’s 3 preseason games he is stealing the ball at “near all time levels”. the admittedly Horrible Houston-Homer broadcast crew (Bill Worrel, Clyde Drexler and Matt Bullard) raved non stop the other night about Lin’s smart defense and “gettin’ his hand on a lot of basketballs” — but I haven’t compared him to Felton ’cause I need to watch Felton a lot more. That Drexler and Dominque Wilkins and Magic have all raved about Lin’s play to me is interesting.

    25. ess-dog

      I feel as if Felton’s defense has been overrated, even since his first run with us.

      Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s solid. At least average I suppose, but hardly the top notch defender he was made out to be.

      For the money, he’s a better choice than Lin, but due to age and other factors, Lin is the better player.

      And I agree with JK47 regarding “fit”.

      Of course, you have to factor Kidd and Prig (who I think will be pretty damn good for us) into the decision.

    26. jon abbey

      seriously, you guys are arguing pure talent over fit after watching Melo and Amare for a year and a half now? huh.

    27. thenamestsam

      Thought this was not only hilarious, but interesting in light of a back and forth on here a few days ago about whether Lin’s intense workout regimen made him an outlier, or just a well publicized example of what most players do to get better:

      http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/10/19/jamal-crawford-had-never-practiced-shooting-before-this-year/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

      Jamal Crawford says that he has never been drilled on shooting before and that this is the first offseason he has ever worked on his game. I was very surprised to read that someone could make it in the NBA with such a lax work ethic.

    28. steveoh

      You beat me by 2 minutes, thenamestsam. Well played.

      thenamestsam:
      Thought this was not only hilarious, but interesting in light of a back and forth on here a few days ago about whether Lin’s intense workout regimen made him an outlier, or just a well publicized example of what most players do to get better:

      http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/10/19/jamal-crawford-had-never-practiced-shooting-before-this-year/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

      Jamal Crawford says that he has never been drilled on shooting before and that this is the first offseason he has ever worked on his game. I was very surprised to read that someone could make it in the NBA with such a lax work ethic.

    29. jon abbey

      I said it here at the time many times, but it bears repeating in light of that piece: there has never been a NBA backcourt in history with a higher ratio of talent to intelligence than Crawford and Marbury.

    30. Z-man

      JK47: He’s a better passer? Hmm. Felton’s AST% is generally in the low 30?s. In his best season it was 35.8. Lin’s AST% last year was 41.0. So in his first extended playing time he easily beat Felton’s career best.A better defender? Not according to Synergy. Felton is only a better defender according to people’s “eye test.”Better at avoiding turnovers? Okay. Score one for Felton.Better at outside shooting? That one’s a push.You want to win basketball games? Get good players. That’s the best “fit,” the guy who is good at the game of basketball. Saying that the worse player is a better fit is wishful thinking and fanboi-ism.

      I think that both are very good passers; Lin may be marginally more talented but also turns the ball over way too much, which is in part due to passing decisions. Agree that both are suspect shooters. Lin is better offensively going to his right and on the pull-up type moves; Felton is far better going to his left. Lin is better at drawing fouls. Felton is a better on ball defender (I agree that I’m going by the eye test, but after watching Lin vs. Calderon, Rondo and DWill the second time around, it would take a lot of convincing for me to think otherwise). Lin is marginally better as an opportunistic defender, really good hands. Felton is a far better ball handler vs. defensive pressure and double teams. Felton seems to be physically stronger and more durably built, which is critical when chasing opposing PGs around dirty screens set by opposing bigs.

    31. Brian Cronin

      I said it here at the time many times, but it bears repeating in light of that piece: there has never been a NBA backcourt in history with a higher ratio of talent to intelligence than Crawford and Marbury.

      Yeah, and we also got to watch Francis and Marbury in the backcourt together!

      Heck, going back, we also got to watch Richardson and Williams, also quite a lunkhead pairing.

      But wow…that Crawford quote is absolutely insane. INSANE.

    32. Z-man

      To me, the most underrated part of PG defense is getting around/through screens. To cite recent examples: Nate Robinson was super quick and strong but tended to go under screens, a no-no vs. good shooters. Toney Douglas would try to go over screens but his lateral vision seemed to be useless in protecting him from getting leveled, hence the bad shoulders. Lin seemed to get caught on screens, causing switches that isolated him on bigs and the PG being guarded by one of our bigs. Felton seems (eye test alert!) to be better at going over or through screens and getting back to his guy quickly, or using his body to delay bigs from posting him too low after a switch until he can get some help.

    33. Z-man

      Brian Cronin: Yeah, and we also got to watch Francis and Marbury in the backcourt together!Heck, going back, we also got to watch Richardson and Williams, also quite a lunkhead pairing.But wow…that Crawford quote is absolutely insane. INSANE.

      I was thinking about the Sugar Ray/Ray-Ray pairing myself, though these guys were not as bad as the Marbury pairings.

    34. knicknyk

      Gideon Zaga:
      Look at this idiot

      “@Al_Iannazzone: Landry Fields said he needed a change, lost confidence and and some of his comfort level after Melo trade.”

      Yeah let’s blame Melo for everything. How about this why not blame Melo for Amare’s brother dying. His brother was shining until Melo got in the mix and took his shine. So his comfort level went down and he took to drinking then got behind a wheel. Fucking idiot. Hey Landry how about them open shots u passed up. Overpaid Moron.

      This is a gross overreaction. I am with the thenamestam on this one.

      Also does anybody have access to synergy so that we can get Feltons defensive numbers and compare them to Lins. I am tired of relying with the eye test. I also think Felton is overrated as a defender. Size is often the perception when it comes to big body guards. If you watched him in portland he looked as though he took a step back last year athletically. His formerly decent defense was nowhere to be found, replaced with slow lateral recovery and an inability to stay with anybody. He looked slow, sluggish, and his reaction times were all messed up. The decrease in his athletic potential will markedly decrease the efficacy of his defense. When you’re so prone to getting completely out of shape as Felton is, your athleticism is prone to decline earlier. That’s just how it is. Fitness matters, and at some point, you can’t simply put in a few extra hours at the gym in hopes of returning to athletic glories you frittered away.

    35. jon abbey

      Jafa:
      Unrelated question to ess-dog, Brian, jon abbey, etc.:How do I upload a picture to my profile?

      put it on gravatar.com, then link it with your profile here.

    36. knicknyk

      Gideon Zaga:
      Look at this idiot

      “@Al_Iannazzone: Landry Fields said he needed a change, lost confidence and and some of his comfort level after Melo trade.”

      Yeah let’s blame Melo for everything. How about this why not blame Melo for Amare’s brother dying. His brother was shining until Melo got in the mix and took his shine. So his comfort level went down and he took to drinking then got behind a wheel. Fucking idiot. Hey Landry how about them open shots u passed up. Overpaid Moron.

      http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/fields_has_moved_rental_from_knicks_67Xqe7RPqhRHaBmIF6j36O

      Here is the full article. He said absolutely nothing wrong. People act like they are new to the media & that these so called “journalists” don’t lie or distort quotes to fit an agenda. And people fall for it hook line & sinker year after year.

    37. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, holy shit, I thought that the initial tweeted paraphrased quote was tame but then you see the actual quotes and the dude is practically a saint in the interview.

    38. JC Knickfan

      Shooting not just outside shooting. Is Felton not going take Free throw or drive basket anymore? His career TS 0.498 and last year he shot 0.491. His best year was 0.526. Heck, Lin post 0.552 TS last year and in 7 games under Woodson I believe he posted 59% though with less attempts.

      The storybook might not out on Lin, but lets be clear after season 7 season, Felton is below average shooter. There was some clamoring about guards shooting horrible last year and guess what, Felton not going to be much better.

      I could tolerate poor shooting if Felton going to be floor general that solves chemistry issue on offensive end with TC, Amare and Melo. To me that still the 1000 lb Gorilla in room that has not been removed.

    39. Nick C.

      @ 42 et. al. Even though it is a Berman article what is in the quotes appears nowhere in the article. It’s a pretty big stretch to get that as the gist of the article and more for less a fraud to present it as something Landry said.

    40. flossy

      Landry Fields said Carmelo is a top-5 player in the league. Somewhere, Dave Berri’s head explodes.

    41. flossy

      cgreene:
      Where’s the chatter?

      If this is the Jason Kidd we got then that is a very good thing.

      If this is the Raymond Felton we got, we’re going to need as much Jason Kidd as possible.

    42. yellowboy90

      sidestep:
      Felton has more turnovers than assists. Good thing assists are overrated.

      Just giving the Lin fans(which includes me) memories. LOL.

    43. Brian Cronin

      I take nothing, good or bad, from preaeason. This is glorified practice time. Well, I guess I want to make sure people are healthy/in shape, but other than that, performance to me is pretty meaningless in the preseason. Now if Felton does what he did tonight in a real game, then yeah, cause for concern.

    44. knicknyk

      Where is Ruru tonight? More TO’s than assists from Felton.

      Anyway, it’s pre-season. It is fools gold & meaningless despite what ruru tries to spin.

    45. Z-man

      Not a great game by Felton. A couple of turnovers were just timing things, but his offense does not look very good overall thus far.

      On the other hand, Lowry looked like an all-star. Can’t believe Morey let him go.

      Prigioni looks very good, and Kidd does not play like a 40-yr old. At least that’s good.

      Was it me or does it look like rebounding is a big iddue for us?

    46. JC Knickfan

      @57 I guessing he hugging and caressing his Melo bobblehead and telling this game mean nothing and it’s only preseason.

    47. yellowboy90

      The second unit might be lethal with Priggs and Kidd. Staggering Melo and Amar’e minutes so they can run with those two too is going to be important.

    48. yellowboy90

      JC Knickfan:
      @57I guessing he hugging and caressing his Melo bobblehead and telling this game mean nothing and it’s only preseason.

      What does it mean? 8/20 with 7 missed 3s. Ok, I get it but most of those threes where in rhythm and in the flow of the offense. I would have a problem if he wasn’t passing routinely out the double team or jack a 3 when he should swing the ball.

      James White needs to relax and play his game. Take the open shot and play D. I like the drive a dish though.

    49. BigBlueAL

      Didnt see the game tonight but as to Felton didnt he have 15 asts and only 2 to’s in the first 2 games?? If there is one thing Felton has always done well is limit turnovers so that part of the game is not something I would worry about in regards to Felton.

      His shooting on the other hand…..

    50. knicknyk

      Z-man:
      Not a great game by Felton. A couple of turnovers were just timing things, but his offense does not look very good overall thus far.

      On the other hand, Lowry looked like an all-star. Can’t believe Morey let him go.

      Prigioni looks very good, and Kidd does not play like a 40-yr old. At least that’s good.

      Was it me or does it look like rebounding is a big iddue for us?

      Kidd got obliterated on defense twice today that I saw. I haven’t been impressed by Kidd a lot to be honest. I am not worried about Felton TO wise. But in Portland he got critiqued for having late game TO’s so some thing to watch. Offensively he hasn’t been good but whatever it is pre-season so it is all meaningless. Lowry is a great player but that kid was never going to work in Houston he had attitude problems & was a cancer on that team with McHale. I am happy with him in Toronto because I live here & the Raptors need him on the team. We didn’t have Camby, Brewer who are good rebounders so not to worried about that.

    51. yellowboy90

      WHat I like is that NY have so many good PnR ball handlers with the PGs and Melo. I also like Woodson having Kidd and Pablo pass the ball up the court then get the ball after crossing the half line.

    52. ruruland

      knicknyk:
      Where is Ruru tonight? More TO’s than assists from Felton.

      Anyway, it’s pre-season. It is fools gold & meaningless despite what ruru tries to spin.

      A lot to improve. Shooting will improve obviously. Defense has ways to go. They were running most of the sets they implemented this week. . There is plenty to learn in preseason. Not necessarily results at end of game, though wins have meaning. Losses aren’t good to inferior teams when starters are playing 25 minutes.

      Amar’e looked pretty damn good. Flashes of how good this team will be; long way to go.

    53. jon abbey

      Z-man:
      Was it me or does it look like rebounding is a big issue for us?

      Camby should help some with that if and when he is available.

    54. knicknyk

      I have been waiting for signs of Felton’s “bull dog” defense & I have yet to see it. Like I said before size is often the perception when it comes to big body guards & there defensive ability. Also still hoping that someone with synergy will put up Felton’s defensive numbers & Lin’s defensive numbers so we can stop relying on the eye test.

      Funny side note Felton said Lin had a target on his back (which we can all agree on). He was nothing but complimentary to Lin just said the whole jury is out on him thing. I definitely didn’t think Felton is the person that should be talking about targets on any players back considering the amount of pressure on this team to put up or shut up & seeing as how he is the starting pg for a “win now” team.

    55. Z-man

      Difference is, Lin has been the NBA’s cover boy since Linsanity and just got a contract that assumes he will play at a high level. I would think that opposing PGs will be very motivated to see wht Lin is really made of when he comes to town. Nothing malicious, just what star rookies (which is what Lin essentially is) have to go through once they get the media’s attention. Good news for Lin: absloutley no pressure to win or to defer to an established star player. Really, I think he’s much better of in Houston in this regard than he would have been in NY. At least if he plays poorly, he’ll just fade into the woodwork.

    56. knicknyk

      Z-man:
      Difference is, Lin has been the NBA’s cover boy since Linsanity and just got a contract that assumes he will play at a high level. I would think that opposing PGs will be very motivated to see wht Lin is really made of when he comes to town. Nothing malicious, just what star rookies (which is what Lin essentially is) have to go through once they get the media’s attention. Good news for Lin: absloutley no pressure to win or to defer to an established star player. Really, I think he’s much better of in Houston in this regard than he would have been in NY. At least if he plays poorly, he’ll just fade into the woodwork.

      I agree with you most definitely. Rondo said it that the celtics are going to beat the rockets & he hopes that he is a big reason as to why they win. I doubt Rondo is salivating at the prospect of destroying Felton. But the pressure in NY is huge this year & Felton as the starting pg has to deliver. He too got a substantial contract 18 million coming off of mediocre play. Good news for Felton is that Melo & Amare will likely take a brunt of the blame.

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