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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Oct 18 2013)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] MSG unveils plans for new media display (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:12:59 EDT)
    Madison Square Garden has revealed plans for a new scoreboard display at the arena. Here’s the press release:Madison Square Garden unveiled today the design for the Arena’s new state-of-the-art, one-of-a-kind, center-hung multi-media display. The display will serve as the centerpiece of The Garden’s brand-new LED video display system, known as GardenVision, which will debut on October 25 as part of the third and final phase of The Garden’s unprecedented, $1 billion, three-year Transformation.

  • [New York Times] Cousins, Kings Win 3rd Straight, 107-90 Over Suns (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:43:30 GMT)
    DeMarcus Cousins had 29 points, nine rebounds and six steals to lead the Sacramento Kings to their third straight preseason win, a 107-90 victory over the Phoenix Suns on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Roberts Hits Jumper, Pelicans Top Thunder 105-102 (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:06:48 GMT)
    Brian Roberts scored 12 of his 14 points in the second half, including the go-ahead jumper with 30.6 seconds left, and the New Orleans Pelicans stayed unbeaten in the preseason with a 105-102 win over the Oklahoma City Thunder on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Nets 86, Heat 62: For Garnett and Pierce, New Uniforms Do Nothing to Ease Rivalry With Heat (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:03:36 GMT)
    When the Nets acquired Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce this summer, they took not only their skill and spirit, but their enmities, too.    

  • [New York Times] Nets Retire Kidd’s No. 5, Then Beat Heat 86-62 (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:57:55 GMT)
    The Brooklyn Nets retired coach Jason Kidd’s number, then gave him an 86-62 preseason victory over the Miami Heat on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Questions Follow Knicks’ Anthony During a Return to His Hometown (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:16:57 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony reiterated that he planned to test free agency next summer, but he doesn’t want anybody to get the impression he won’t stay with the Knicks.    

  • [New York Times] Spurs Top Hawks 106-104 on Baynes’ Late Basket (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:03:50 GMT)
    Aron Baynes sank a floater in the lane with 3 seconds remaining to lift the San Antonio Spurs to a 106-104 preseason win over the Atlanta Hawks on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Anthony Nets 22 in Knicks’ 98-89 Win Over Wizards (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:43:05 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony had 22 points in the first game he’s played in his hometown to lead the New York Knicks to a 98-89 preseason win over the Washington Wizards on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Irving Scores 15 as Cavs Down Pistons 96-84 (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:37:21 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving scored 12 of his 15 points in the third quarter to lead the Cleveland Cavaliers to a 96-84 win over the Detroit Pistons in a preseason game Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Rivers’s Move Brings Power, and Scrutiny (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:26:23 GMT)
    Doc Rivers left the Celtics, pro basketball’s most successful franchise, for the Clippers, a team that had won two playoff series in 40 years.    

  • [New York Daily News] Melo hints his ‘Decision’ will be between Knicks and Lakers (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:18:58 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony reiterated that he wants it all; he wants to be a Knick for life yet he also wants NBA teams — the Lakers, really — to court him when he becomes a free agent on July 1st.    

  • [New York Daily News] Shumpert leaves game with elbow injury (Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:11:54 GMT)
    Iman Shumpert’s bid for a starting job took a slight detour on Thursday when the third-year guard suffered a sprained right elbow in the first half of the Knicks’ 98-89 preseason victory over the Washington Wizards.    

  • 29 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Oct 18 2013)

    1. ephus

      I do not think it is link bait, but I think it is extreme stupidity to have Paul George ranked that high. He is getting a huge bump up based upon his defensive reputation. His offense is league average for a starting SF.

      I highly doubt that he will repeat the defensive numbers that he put up last year. I think the Pacers will regret the Paul George contract about as much as they currently regret the Danny Granger contract.

    2. Hubert

      I can’t open up ESPN articles because they’re blocked at work. I’m assuming they are going with the “defense is half the game” argument. Maybe I’m putting too much weight in one series but I didn’t come away overly impressed with Paul George’s defense against Melo. His defense seemed to be: channel Melo towards Hibbert. A lot of guys can do that.

      And I thought Shump made George disappear offensively for most of the series.

      Say what you will about Melo, but I laugh at the idea that Paul George is the 12th best player in the NBA.

    3. ruruland

      yellowboy90:
      His defensive numbers will hold true as long as Hibbert is there waiting at the rim

      This… Not just saying this because it’s convenient, but George’s over-aggressive approach only works with great rim protection.

      PG gives up a lot of penetration. Having watched MWP, Shane Battier and Bruce Bowen in their primes against Melo, I don’t think PG is anywhere near the shutdown category.

      He’s more of a Trevor Ariza style defender. Really long arms and athletic, not really great feet and is easily over-powered in the post. I don’t see the effort or attention to detail those other great defenders had either.

    4. Hubert

      And I see once again they are putting forth the idea that Blake Griffin is a better basketball player right now than Carmelo Anthony.

      Whatever.

      As I’ve said before, if you don’t think Melo is overrated, you can’t be one of the cool kids. It’s like when a bunch of hipsters get together and decide a certain band sucks and you all have to agree or you lose your hipster cred.

    5. johnno

      Which is pretty funny since he was third in the MVP voting and 2nd team all NBA last year. Both awards are chosen by sportswriters and broadcasters. I guess those sportswriters and broadcasters have a better opinion of Melo than the sportswriters and broadcasters whom ESPN polls. I assume that this might be the same panel of 32 ESPN voters who unanimously predicted that the Knicks would not win the Atlantic Division last year. By the way, this would certainly explain why the Knicks will only win 37 games this year — the guy who is by far their best player is only 15th best in the league.

    6. Kahnzy

      If these voters created a new team and could draft any and all players in the league; assuming James and Durant were already taken, would they seriously pick Paul George over Melo? Don’t get me wrong, Melo has his flaws…but this is just silly. Is he top 3 or 5? No, I don’t think so. But certainly top 10, and certainly better than Griffin and George.

    7. yoda4554

      I don’t know whether I’d rank George that high, but the argument that he’s better than Anthony isn’t hard to make.

      Is George overrated defensively? Maybe, but he’s certainly he was really good last year, as evidenced by being by far the leader in minutes played on the league’s best defensive team. Now, compare that to Anthony’s offense. Clearly, he was really good last year, as he had by far the highest usage on the league’s 3rd-best offense. But he’s also probably overrated by a lot of people, given that his shooting efficiency has perpetually been only a bit above average and his ballhandling/passing, while good, is clearly not elite-level. Let’s call George’s offense and Anthony’s defense roughly even.

      I agree that, last year, George was only average offensively–above-average usage but without great efficiency, ballhandling impressive but risky, and generally part of a below-average offensive team. But Anthony, of course, has never really even been a consistently average defender, throughout his career. That makes George’s offense at least somewhat better than Anthony’s defense.

      Add in comparable rebounding and that these are ratings for next year–i.e., that we should expect George to continue to develop as he matures, and regress down slightly from Anthony’s career-best year–and it’s not hard to see why George should be ranked higher.

    8. nicos

      yoda4554:
      I don’t know whether I’d rank George that high, but the argument that he’s better than Anthony isn’t hard to make.

      Is George overrated defensively?Maybe, but he’s certainly he was really good last year, as evidenced by being by far the leader in minutes played on the league’s best defensive team.Now, compare that to Anthony’s offense.Clearly, he was really good last year, as he had by far the highest usage on the league’s 3rd-best offense.But he’s also probably overrated by a lot of people, given that his shooting efficiency has perpetually been only a bit above average and his ballhandling/passing, while good, is clearly not elite-level.Let’s call George’s offense and Anthony’s defense roughly even.

      I don’t think Melo’s offense and George’s defense are really comparable. Last year Melo was almost certainly a top ten offensive player (if not top five). Even if you love George’s defense he’s still a wing defender which means he’s automatically less valuable than a great rim protector and given how vital the pnr game is to nba offenses now, he’s probably less valuable than the top tier on-the-ball guys. IMO he’d have a tough time cracking the 20 in terms of overall defensive value. If Paul makes another leap this year comparable to the one he made last year then I think you might have an argument but until that happens I have a really hard time with ranking him above Melo.

    9. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Hubert: As I’ve said before, if you don’t think Melo is overrated, you can’t be one of the cool kids. It’s like when a bunch of hipsters get together and decide a certain band sucks and you all have to agree or you lose your hipster cred.

      Except that Carmelo Anthony’s numbers are bad for a max player and there’s no way to quantify a hipster’s music taste.

    10. max fisher-cohen

      I would definitely pick Paul George over Melo if I was starting a new team simply because Melo likely has 1-4 prime years left, and Paul George likely has 6-11 prime years left.

      That said, last year, Carmelo Anthony was IMO a better basketball player than Paul George or Blake Griffin. Griffin just has too many serious flaws which smart teams can take advantage of — subpar defense, poor FT%, and inability to score on his own.

      In regard to Paul George, it just seems like people’s can’t accept the possibility that a team can succeed on the back of more than one or two players — that there can be five (or more) good players contributing at the same time — so they anoint one or two guys as stars and dismiss the rest as role players. With the Pacers last year, Roy Hibbert and Paul George “became stars”, and David West and George Hill were dismissed as supporting players.

    11. er

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Except that Carmelo Anthony’s numbers are bad for a max player and there’s no way to quantify a hipster’s music taste.

      His numbers are “bad” for a max?! Uh ok you didn’t even say blow average you said bad

    12. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      er: His numbers are “bad” for a max?!Uh ok you didn’t even say blow average you said bad

      Yes, they are bad for a max player.

    13. DRed

      max fisher-cohen:
      I would definitely pick Paul George over Melo if I was starting a new team simply because Melo likely has 1-4 prime years left, and Paul George likely has 6-11 prime years left.

      That said, last year, Carmelo Anthony was IMO a better basketball player than Paul George or Blake Griffin. Griffin just has too many serious flaws which smart teams can take advantage of — subpar defense, poor FT%, and inability to score on his own.

      In regard to Paul George, it just seems like people’s can’t accept the possibility that a team can succeed on the back of more than one or two players — that there can be five (or more) good players contributing at the same time — so they anoint one or two guys as stars and dismiss the rest as role players. With the Pacers last year, Roy Hibbert and Paul George “became stars”, and David West and George Hill were dismissed as supporting players.

      I think George is arguably better than Melo, but you’re spot on about him being overrated because of his team’s success. You could make a pretty strong argument that he’s not even the best player on his own team.

    14. cgreene

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Except that Carmelo Anthony’s numbers are bad for a max player and there’s no way to quantify a hipster’s music taste.

      Carmelo Anthony is the Mumford and Son of basketball. Any hipster/sportswriter that walked into a club/gym and watched them play with no back story would walk away saying those guys/ that guy are/is really good.

    15. cgreene

      Any ranking that is projecting this upcoming season’s production that has Kobe rated over Melo individually has to be a joke right?

      Someone tell me how Kobe is better than Melo this year.

    16. DRed

      cgreene:
      Any ranking that is projecting this upcoming season’s production that has Kobe rated over Melo individually has to be a joke right?

      Someone tell me how Kobe is better than Melo this year.

      Count the rings!

    17. DRed

      cgreene: Really?That’s your statistical argument?Or sarcasm?It’s fri. I’m 3 deep.

      Sarcasm. Count the rings was the only reason I could think of that anyone could use to argue that Kobe will be better than Melo this year.

    18. Jack Bauer

      yoda4554:
      I don’t know whether I’d rank George that high, but the argument that he’s better than Anthony isn’t hard to make.

      Is George overrated defensively?Maybe, but he’s certainly he was really good last year, as evidenced by being by far the leader in minutes played on the league’s best defensive team.Now, compare that to Anthony’s offense.Clearly, he was really good last year, as he had by far the highest usage on the league’s 3rd-best offense.But he’s also probably overrated by a lot of people, given that his shooting efficiency has perpetually been only a bit above average and his ballhandling/passing, while good, is clearly not elite-level.Let’s call George’s offense and Anthony’s defense roughly even.

      I agree that, last year, George was only average offensively–above-average usage but without great efficiency, ballhandling impressive but risky, and generally part of a below-average offensive team.But Anthony, of course, has never really even been a consistently average defender, throughout his career.That makes George’s offense at least somewhat better than Anthony’s defense.

      Add in comparable rebounding and that these are ratings for next year–i.e., that we should expect George to continue to develop as he matures, and regress down slightly from Anthony’s career-best year–and it’s not hard to see why George should be ranked higher.

      Anthony led the league in scoring last year, remember that part? Paul George was not the league’s top defender. So no, I don’t think George’s defense is equal to Anthony’s offense. Anthony is pretty valuable and he’s the best the Knicks have right now, so that’s all we can go with.

    19. massive

      Am I the only one watching the situation in Detroit tightly because of Greg Monroe? I’m [sorta] hoping Tim Hardaway Jr and Andrea Bargnani play well this season so that we can swing some sort of a trade for him. He’s been the best Piston since he’s been drafted and, for some strange reason, he doesn’t figure to be in their plans. Why anyone would break up a Drummond/Monroe front court is beyond me, but Detroit seems intent on doing it. We know Smith and Drummond aren’t going anywhere.

      Maybe if the spacing issue persists for Detroit this season and Bargnani plays well next to Tyson Chandler, some sort of a trade could be worked out. Something like Lil Jowles and Bargnani for Monroe and Villanueva or Stuckey. I know this seems crazy now, but if Bargnani works well enough to a tune of 19 points and 5 rebounds a night, you’d have to think Detroit would listen to a deal (if Detroit is struggling offensively). They’d be getting back two good shooters and giving up players who they probably have no intention of keeping.

      We probably don’t have the draft picks to outbid other teams who will certainly want Monroe, and that’s why Bargs needs to play well. Maybe Bargs even gets back to his 21 and 5 form from 2011. I’m sure that would get Detroit interested. Chances are Detroit would want Shump though, and our owner doesn’t make me feel comfortable that he’s untouchable.

      It’ll be an interesting development to watch, I think. Even if Monroe doesn’t end up on the Knicks.

    20. er

      Hey kyrie irving is statistically the worst defender in the league and he’s big dr than melo so it ain’t defense

    21. iserp

      er:
      Hey kyrie irving is statistically the worst defender in the league and he’s big dr than melo so it ain’t defense

      I find Kyrie Irving massively overrated.

      Re: Monroe. I don’t think we have the assets to make an offer for him, and IF Bargnani works so well that the Pistons would hear an offer, i think we would just keep him and not mess with something that is working.

    22. lavor postell

      iserp: I find Kyrie Irving massively overrated.

      Re: Monroe. I don’t think we have the assets to make an offer for him, and IF Bargnani works so well that the Pistons would hear an offer, i think we would just keep him and not mess with something that is working.

      Having lived in the Detroit area for the entirety of Monroe’s NBA career I can’t say that I’m a huge fan of how he would fit on the Knicks. Monroe is a terrible defensive player and would be a poor floor spacing fit on this Knicks roster on the offensive end. While he is slightly better than Bargs defensively, particularly on his weakside rotations, I think that we would struggle to fit him in offensively and he’s also looking for an extension that I doubt we want to commit too considering our attempts to preserve cap space for 2015.

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