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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Nov 16 2012)

  • [New York Post] Guards spark perfect rally for statement win (Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:13:09 -0500)
    SAN ANTONIO â?? Mike Woodson knows nobody can scoff at the Knicks’ unbeaten start now, not after last night’s comeback from 12 points down in the final seven minutes to stun the powerhouse Spurs, 104-100, at AT&T Center.
    “It shows me that this team is for real,” said Woodson…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Smith, a force off bench, admits he partied too much last season (Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:19:51 -0500)
    SAN ANTONIO â?? J.R. Smith is picking his spots on the court and on the party scene.
    Responding to Knicks coach Mike Woodson’s remarks he has become “more professional” this season, Smith candidly confessed he partied too much last season because he was swept away by Manhattan’s bright…

  • [New York Newsday] Jason Kidd, Raymond Felton lead unbeaten Knicks to comeback win over Spurs (Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:48:12 EST)
    The Knicks showed that their fast start is no fluke and that they not only can play with the NBA's top teams but can beat them.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Barkley: Nets will still be better than Knicks (Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:45:26 EDT)
    The New York Knicks’ 6-0 start hasn’t changed Charles Barkley’s mind.

    The TNT analyst still believes the Nets will be the top team in New York City by season’s end.

    “The Brooklyn Nets will have a better record than the New York Knicks,” Barkley said during Friday morning edition of Inside the NBA.

    Before the season started, Barkley referred the Nets as “the best team in New York.”

    “If it was 2000, I would make the New York Knicks the favorite to win the NBA championship,” Barkley said.

  • [New York Daily News] Lone Stars: Knicks still NBA’s only perfect team after win over Spurs (Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:14:47 GMT)
    Now the Knicks and their fans are allowed to get excited, even if it’s a week shy of Thanksgiving. The Knicks are still the only undefeated team in the NBA, pulling out a pulsating 104-100 win over the San Antonio Spurs on Thursday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Maturing sixth man J.R. puts Knicks first (Fri, 16 Nov 2012 04:27:40 GMT)
    J.R. Smith would rather be the NBA’s top sixth man than continue trying to be the Knicks’ unofficial man about town. “I’m not going to lie, the New York City nightlife last year pretty much got to me,” Smith said Thursday before the Knicks tried to remain the NBA’s lone unbeaten team while facing the powerhouse Spurs at the AT&T Center.

  • 99 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Nov 16 2012)

    1. Frank O.

      A question: is it an over simplification to say the Knicks are not rebounding well on the O boards because their getting better, m ore consistent scoring?
      It would seem a slower pace and overall better shooting would create fewer opportunities. And this would fit into the stat Jon abbey posted last night about the rebounding of top three v bottom three.

      Also, just an amazing win, but what was strangest, not that surprising. This team is resilient and it has lots of tools. There are no weak spots on the floor.
      I love Brewer’s game. I love what Kid is doing, and there is no question of roles. This is a smart and experienced bunch.
      Let, I’m with ruru: Amare is going to play well. His D will never be great, but this team plays together and the help D is excellent. Amare also will prevent teams from doing what they did to Melo. He did get eat up. We saw his limits being pushed as a PF, but every time I was going to comment on his inability to convert at the rim, he did something else. This is the difference: he may have his hero all moments, but he is trying harder. He makes the extra pass, the rotation.
      Great win

    2. Juany8

      Lol Barkley needs to get over it, the Knicks look like the best team in the league (by a comfortable margin) and the Nets are going to better? At this point I’d be wary of saying the Heat are going to have a better record than the Knicks, Brooklyn squeaks by a Celtics team without Rondo (their best player) at home, and they’re going to be better than a Knicks team that just got it’s best win of the year (as Ruru showed yesterday, San Antonio just doesn’t lose at home when it’s healthy)

      At least when the Knicks were beating injured teams it was all blowouts. Brooklyn isn’t even that good, their wins have come against a Celtics team without Rondo, then Cleveland, Orlando (twice) and Toronto. Nets were also 50 points worse than the Knicks against Miami lol….

    3. Z-man

      ephus: Thanks for the thoughts, Ruru. Here are my contributions, paltry though they may be:1. Jason Kidd really is a great PG security blanket. He bailed out the Knicks last night late in the fourth quarter with his shots, but it his ball movement that has been so spectacular.2. The pass that ‘Melo made for the hockey assist after the Kidd steal was my favorite play of the night. ‘Melo made a great spin move to break down the transition defense, and then a better pass to lead to the kickout for the three. 3. JR Smith’s irrational confidence is incredibly important to this team, particularly in Amar’e’s absence. JR made a floater in the lane followed by a killer three to help trigger the run. 4. The only clunker right now is Novak. He looks out of sorts on offense. I am amazed the Knicks are shooting so well from three despite Novak, instead of because of Novak. Makes me think that the current % might be sustainable, although I expect Novak to improve and others to cool off.This team is dangerous.

      Agree with all of this, except that JR’s confidence is not irrational. The dude has generally been a good shooter for most of his career. He had dis worst year last year, and he has had 3 consecutive years of excellent shooting in the past. It’s really the other parts of his game that are “irrational” compared to his past.

      We shouldn’t forget what Novak was before last year, which was a journeyman non-rotation player. Last year, he caught people by surprise, just like Lin did, and like Fields did the year before that. Now he looks like the guy who has not had the ability to adjust to the adjustments made against him.

      What makes this team so good is that we no longer DEPEND on overachieving non-rotation level journeymen to play at rotation-level night in and night out. Maybe Novak adjusts, maybe not, but no matter.

    4. d-mar

      Juany8:
      Lol Barkley needs to get over it, the Knicks look like the best team in the league (by a comfortable margin) and the Nets are going to better? At this point I’d be wary of saying the Heat are going to have a better record than the Knicks, Brooklyn squeaks by a Celtics team without Rondo (their best player) at home, and they’re going to be better than a Knicks team that just got it’s best win of the year (as Ruru showed yesterday, San Antonio just doesn’t lose at home when it’s healthy)

      At least when the Knicks were beating injured teams it was all blowouts. Brooklyn isn’t even that good, their wins have come against a Celtics team without Rondo, then Cleveland, Orlando (twice) and Toronto. Nets were also 50 points worse than the Knicks against Miami lol….

      Agree, I am totally unimpressed by Brooklyn. They have zero interior D, Lopez can’t grab a rebound to save his life and their bench is mediocre at best. Barkley just needs to STFU.

    5. RicanKnick

      Big shout out from Puerto Rico!!! 6-0 #KnicksTape I don’t comment that much, but I read yours every day!!! Hey, is Charles Barkley still in Jenny Craig’s??? lmao…Seriously, it’s great to see our NYKs winning with smart playing and great effort. I’ve been a believer since day 1….feels great!!!

    6. Juany8

      DS:
      Do not go to sleep on the Knicks!! Seriously, you’ll miss a big comeback and you’ll be bummed.

      You have no idea… I had a long day of work and was pleased by what I saw in the first half (even if the Knicks were down by 2, Spurs were having to make ridiculous shots) then I totally passed out and missed the whole second half lol. I am indeed very bummed about this, although happy they won.

    7. DS

      Juany8: You have no idea… I had a long day of work and was pleased by what I saw in the first half (even if the Knicks were down by 2, Spurs were having to make ridiculous shots) then I totally passed out and missed the whole second half lol. I am indeed very bummed about this, although happy they won.

      Ha!! Well, we get to play the top team in the West again tonight. We’ll try again.

    8. Die_Hard_Knick_Fan

      What I loved most about last night is that it wasn’t the same team of the past decade that would have went down by 12 points in the fourth quarter and gotten the mentality of, “Let’s not try to lose by too much.” This team got down by 12 and instead said, “Hey, there are still 7 minutes left in this game and we can beat these guys.” They didn’t let the Spurs status or their home court advantage become a factor. This win last night shows that this is COMPLETELY different team and MUCH better than all analysts were giving them credit of being. I’ve been a die hard fan for the past 20+ years and it feels great to see our team alive again. They’re going to have their shaky games, but they’re proving that need to be feared this year.

    9. EB

      Thanks to BigBlueAl’s post last thread. The last time the Knicks won in San Antonio was nine years ago (ten seasons) in 2003. The game included the Knicks playing Kurt Thomas and the Spurs playing Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, Tim Duncan and Stephen Jackson.

      Wish Kurt had played last night would have made some nice symmetry. I wonder what the record is for most people on the same roster facing each other from ten or more season ago?

    10. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      d-mar: Agree, I am totally unimpressed by Brooklyn. They have zero interior D, Lopez can’t grab a rebound to save his life and their bench is mediocre at best. Barkley just needs to STFU.

      SRS

      NYK: 15.13 (!!!)
      BKN: 2.34

      Let’s not forget that Barkley could say that the Bobcats would win the West this season (yes, the West) and keep his job. No one cares what he says aside from the mouth-breathers who populate Twitter and Bleacher Report.

    11. thenamestsam

      Man, what a win! Not just because it was such an excellent and exciting game, but also because it really announced us as a serious contender. Hearing all the “Are the Knicks for real?” crap bandied about yesterday was really pissing me off. If you’d watched even 10 minutes of any of our games (non-Orlando) it was pretty clear that we’re for real.

      With the excitement out of the way, I’m still very nervous about Amare coming back. The one biggest difference about this team compared to every recent (and this allows for a very loose interpretation of the term recent) Knicks team is the quality and willingness of the passing. Basically everyone they added is an excellent passer – Kidd, Sheed, Felton, even Brewer, and you can see how this is infectious for the rest of the team. Everyone is enjoying looking for each other, and they’re playing totally together at all times. Amare, on the other hand, is not just a terrible passer, but also makes bad decisions about when to pass and when to attack.

      In an ideal world the infectiousness of the way this team is playing draws him in like it has with some other guys, and he fits right in. But I think it’s at least possible that you start to tip things back in the wrong direction. That you play one more guy who isn’t a willing and capable passer and all of the sudden the ball starts to stick, and a lack of passing becomes the infectious culture of the team.

      I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but what we have right here IS a championship contender, and introducing a big change into that mixture is a risk. A large risk. I kind of wish Amare would just stay away.

    12. naztorious

      Long time reader, first time poster!

      Just got enraged listened to Cowherd say the Knicks are an Iso team and that they don’t pass. Also said the locker room will be a downfall for the Knicks. Has he even watched them play once or is he just going off espn highlights!?

    13. Juany8

      EB:
      Here is basketball prospectus’ take on the offensive rebound trade off from a while ago when the debate cropped up.

      http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=954

      It includes links to other articles in debate including Dave Berri, Henry Abbot and a blogger Mystic.

      Must reads!

      Lol I wrote pretty much this samepost on this site a few months ago and got the same answer to the question of whether it’s better to crash the boards: It depends. The real problem is that the question is being posed on a leaguewide basis, which is totally meaningless. Whether or not the Celtics benefit from forfeiting offensive rebounds says NOTHING about whether the Knicks will benefit from the same strategy.

      It’s not a simple binary function, you have to take into account: 1. How likely are you to get the offensive rebound and ultimately score off of it. 2. How well can you get back on defense if you did miss the rebound. 3. How well does your opponent rebound the ball 4. How well does the opponent take advantage of missed offensive rebound opportunities. 5. How well is your team scoring in general

      A poor rebounding team would see little scoring benefit from going for the boards, so they probably shouldn’t bother. An old team like the Celtics on Knicks is going to have a hard time getting set on defense if the old guys aren’t immediately running back, and they will get tired and injured more easily trying to crash the boards AND trying to get back on D. Going up against a ridiculous fast break team like Miami that also happens to rebound well with players that can make flashy passes means your team shouldn’t be going for offensive rebounds unless you’re Chicago and can’t really score without going for boards. Very complex optimization process…

    14. johnlocke

      Half these analysts don’t watch enough games to be called “analysts”. Barkley really asked last night if when Shump comes back will be be committed to defense… or just want to shoot a lot…. HUH???

    15. johnlocke

      Oh and I said yesterday that I thought we had a very good shot of beating the Spurs and would have definitely picked us if it was at home. Largely, because although 7-1, Spurs beat one team over .500 all season.

      Also thought Memphis would be a much, much tougher test. So we’ll see.

    16. Juany8

      naztorious:
      Long time reader, first time poster!

      Just got enraged listened to Cowherd say the Knicks are an Iso team and that they don’t pass. Also said the locker room will be a downfall for the Knicks. Has he even watched them play once or is he just going off espn highlights!?

      Colin Cowherd is what happens if you take douchebad and remove his brains and ability to process changes in information. He literally gets payed to piss people off by saying stupid things, like a professional fucking troll. I’m pissed at Barkley because he should know better, and he usually provides insightful analysis (in a stupid voice of course) but Cowherd is total trash. Next thing you know he’ll say JR is playing like crap because he’s taking a lot of shots….

    17. thenamestsam

      naztorious:
      Long time reader, first time poster!

      Just got enraged listened to Cowherd say the Knicks are an Iso team and that they don’t pass. Also said the locker room will be a downfall for the Knicks. Has he even watched them play once or is he just going off espn highlights!?

      Honestly those sorts of general sports analysts are never going to have anything interesting to say. There’s just no way it’s possible to have an informed opinion about baseball, the NBA, the NFL, the NHL, college basketball, college football, etc. all at the same time. I mean last night alone there’s 3 interesting NBA games, an NFL game, some decent early season college hoops (I guess, I know nothing about college hoops), and a college football game. This guy has to come to work and pretend that he knows something about all of them, plus has an “interesting” take on it, and oh yeah, there’s also the NHL: labor dispute and the MLB MVPs are a big story. Honestly, it would be surprising to me if he HAD seen a Knicks game this year.

      That’s why any of these “sports columnists” is almost necessarily a joke. You can be an NBA writer and be informed about the entirety of what you purport to be an expert about. If you’re claiming expertise on the entire world of sports you’re lying about something/

    18. Juany8

      johnlocke:
      Oh and I said yesterday that I thought we had a very good shot of beating the Spurs and would have definitely picked us if it was at home. Largely, because although 7-1, Spurs beat one team over .500 all season.

      Also thought Memphis would be a much, much tougher test. So we’ll see.

      I wonder if Woodson will change his lineup and go with Wallace at the 4. Scared he might get abused by Randolph, especially on the boards. This is the first game where I feel like the Knicks might play pretty well and still lose. On the other hand, if Randolph is forced to either cover Melo or stay with a shooter, the Knicks could put up 110 lol

    19. Juany8

      thenamestsam: Honestly those sorts of general sports analysts are never going to have anything interesting to say. There’s just no way it’s possible to have an informed opinion about baseball, the NBA, the NFL, the NHL, college basketball, college football, etc. all at the same time. I mean last night alone there’s 3 interesting NBA games, an NFL game, some decent early season college hoops (I guess, I know nothing about college hoops), and a college football game. This guy has to come to work and pretend that he knows something about all of them, plus has an “interesting” take on it, and oh yeah, there’s also the NHL: labor dispute and the MLB MVPs are a big story. Honestly, it would be surprising to me if he HAD seen a Knicks game this year.

      That’s why any of these “sports columnists” is almost necessarily a joke. You can be an NBA writer and be informed about the entirety of what you purport to be an expert about. If you’re claiming expertise on the entire world of sports you’re lying about something/

      News flash for these “analysts”: If you don’t know what you’re talking about, shut the fuck up! If you hadn’t seen a Knicks game it would be very easy to say that you want to see a few more games before taking them too seriously, but don’t say stupid shit that is just factually wrong. We have the most beautiful offense in the league and a top 3 defense, somehow our locker room sucks and Shump WON’T PLAY DEFENSE?!?!?!?!? Why don’t they just say that Tyson Chandler sucks because he gets like 10 points a game and seems like a Thug…

    20. PC

      All true about Colin Cowherd. But, if you want to make money, follow his football picks – he has been on fire this year.

      Calling the Knicks an iso team is absurd. Melo’s new addiction to waiting for a doubleteam making the hockey assist pass and then getting excited about the bucket that ensues is probably the coolest thing to watch on television at this very moment. Hooked on these games.

    21. thenamestsam

      Juany8: Colin Cowherd is what happens if you take douchebad and remove his brains and ability to process changes in information. He literally gets payed to piss people off by saying stupid things, like a professional fucking troll.

      I think this trolling that so many of these guys engage in is really an evolution of being way too broad. The reality is that Cowherd, Bayless and the rest of them are expected to be experts on way too many things. 30 years ago when baseball analysis was just RBI and basketball analysis was PPG, and sports analysis as a whole was mostly about heart and how much each guy wanted it, maybe it was plausible to be an “expert” on all of it.

      But now to call yourself a baseball expert you need to be well versed in WAR and pitch-framing studies, and the latest Baseball America prospect handbook which has more than 500 pages. And to call yourself a basketball expert you need to understand lineup data, and synergy data and be able to look at tape and see the difference between how two teams defend the pick and roll.

      And yet Bayless and Cowherd and the like are still tasked with having something to say about all of it, and not just anything but something that will interest people who are constantly exposed to analysis more expert than they could hope to offer. What path is open to them other than trolling? Mark Cuban goes on first take and attacks Bayless for not understanding the Mavs defensive schemes, but if he spent enough time on basketball to understand that, he probably wouldn’t even be able to remember the names of all the college football teams, let alone be able to offer an opinion about them that will intrigue people. The path of offering any sort of analysis is closed to them. Trolling is all they can do.

    22. thenamestsam

      Juany8: News flash for these “analysts”: If you don’t know what you’re talking about, shut the fuck up! If you hadn’t seen a Knicks game it would be very easy to say that you want to see a few more games before taking them too seriously, but don’t say stupid shit that is just factually wrong. We have the most beautiful offense in the league and a top 3 defense, somehow our locker room sucks and Shump WON’T PLAY DEFENSE?!?!?!?!? Why don’t they just say that Tyson Chandler sucks because he gets like 10 points a game and seems like a Thug…

      I’m totally with you, but an analyst who shuts the fuck up is an analyst without a job. If every time a caller brought up something on the Herd that Colin Cowherd wasn’t qualified to act as an “expert” about he just said “Oh, I actually haven’t gotten to watch the Knicks much this year” or “Oh, I can’t really offer an opinion on the baseball MVP race, I’m more of a football guy” there wouldn’t be much of a radio show left.

      I just don’t think it’s right to call these guys scum. They’re doing the only thing they can to remain relevant in an industry that is moving dramatically away from what they do. People just need to stop watching that crap and the industry will be forced to adapt. I honestly can’t comprehend someone who watches Skip Bayless blather about Tim Tebow when they could be reading Football Outsiders or who cares what Colin Cowherd thinks about the Knicks when they could be finding out what Zach Lowe thinks.

    23. jon abbey

      agreed that no one should pay any attention to anything that Bayless or Cowherd or Stephen A Smith or Dave Berri (a different kind of idiot, but equally worthless IMO) has to say. not trying to be inflammatory, I genuinely believe that.

    24. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Faried had what, 11 ORB last night? I find it hard to believe that that could somehow be bad for a team. Most if not all of those ORB lead to second opportunities to score the basketball, so each is worth about +1 pt to his team. He’d have to be responsibile in giving up 5 baskets (with a 100% success rate on those botched defensive plays) to offset their value.

    25. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      thenamestsam: I just don’t think it’s right to call these guys scum. They’re doing the only thing they can to remain relevant in an industry that is moving dramatically away from what they do. People just need to stop watching that crap and the industry will be forced to adapt. I honestly can’t comprehend someone who watches Skip Bayless blather about Tim Tebow when they could be reading Football Outsiders or who cares what Colin Cowherd thinks about the Knicks when they could be finding out what Zach Lowe thinks.

      They’re poisonous. I don’t care that they’re trying to stay relevant as middle-men. They’re doing it for a paycheck, and that doesn’t make it ethical in itself. It makes their work self-serving.

    26. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      johnlocke:
      Half these analysts don’t watch enough games to be called “analysts”. Barkley really asked last night if when Shump comes back will be be committed to defense… or just want to shoot a lot…. HUH???

      Well, I for one hope he DOESN’T shoot a lot. He may be a great defensive player, but if he’s shooting a 48.4 TS% again this year, I hope he passes more than he pulls up…

    27. Jenny

      First time poster, but I’ve been lurking here for about a year. I’m also actually a Heat fan, but I also like the Knicks. I knew the Knicks had a solid shot at the 2 seed in the East even though a lot of people were doubting them, but I had no idea they’d come out of the gates this good! It makes me laugh that several posters here swore that the Knicks would be like 3-7 through the first couple of games before the season started. And now they’re the only undefeated team left. Funny how things change.

    28. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Jenny:
      First time poster, but I’ve been lurking here for about a year. I’m also actually a Heat fan, but I also like the Knicks.

      WHAT IS GOING ON HERE

    29. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Jenny:
      Matter of fact, they probably have a good chance at the 1 seed. Who knew?

      They’re going to come down. Regardless of which statistic you choose to evaluate your team, Jason Kidd will not have a 80 TS% in March. Nor will the TOV% be so ridiculously low by even next month. But the one seed is dependent on injuries, first and foremost.

    30. naztorious

      What do y’all think the chances are that Amare will adopt a defensive addiction like Melo has? Or would it be too much of a burden on his body at this point? I don’t know why I keep thinking I would like a Paul Gasol coming off the bench instead if Amare can’t adapt. Too bad that trade would never work

    31. johnlocke

      The reason he shot a lot was b/c our team (and our point guards) sucked last year and injuries with no viable scoring threats. He settled that down if you look at his FGA and his shooting % in the 2nd half of the season. With vets around him, he’ll be just fine. He is a smart guy and accepts coaching and veteran leadership, Shump will only HELP. Woody will need to think more about how to slot Amare back in the lineup, than Shump.

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Well, I for one hope he DOESN’T shoot a lot. He may be a great defensive player, but if he’s shooting a 48.4 TS% again this year, I hope he passes more than he pulls up…

    32. Thomas B.

      jon abbey:

      agreed that no one should pay any attention to anything that Bayless or Cowherd or Stephen A Smith or Dave Berri (a different kind of idiot, but equally worthless IMO) has to say. not trying to be inflammatory, I genuinely believe that.

      Surprise, but I really like Berri. The rest of them I can do without, but I think Berri gets a number of things right.

    33. Jenny

      True. But besides Jason Kidd and J.R Smith, I think that the rest of the shooting percentages on the team are sustainable. Plus, you would think that Novak’s percentage would improve. TOV% won’t be so low, but I think they can keep it under control. All of the other teams in the East are struggling, and I don’t think demonstrably better than the Knicks besides the Heat. And in the Knicks’ favor, I don’t think the Heat will try too hard in the regular season. I’m not saying the Knicks will definitely get the 1 seed and there are a lot of games left to play, but I think they’ve got a good shot.

      You’re completely correct that injuries will be a factor. If half the Knicks come up lame over the course of the season (definitely a possibility with an older team), the 1 seed goes out the window.

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: They’re going to come down. Regardless of which statistic you choose to evaluate your team, Jason Kidd will not have a 80 TS% in March. Nor will the TOV% be so ridiculously low by even next month. But the one seed is dependent on injuries, first and foremost.

    34. jon abbey

      not that anyone here is underestimating the impact Jason Kidd is having on this team, but these quotes are unbelievable:

      “After a Splitter layup off a bullet pass from Tony Parker (19 points) put the Spurs up 12 with 7:14 left, the Knicks called time and the huddle became chaotic with Woodson shouting and the players shouting back.

      “Jason was one of the guys who kept us composed when they went up 12 points,’’ Anthony said. “He huddled us up and told us they’re going to let us back in. Play some defense, we’re going to score the basketball. Everyone took heed of that.’’

      “That’s when we told [Woodson] to calm down,’’ Chandler said. “We said listen, we have chance here. We’re not out of this game. Everyone was getting a little frantic.’’”

      THAT’S WHEN WE TOLD WOODSON TO CALM DOWN. awesome!!!

      http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/guards_spark_perfect_rally_for_statement_EbrVLpj7nSkk7KhD3LnygN

    35. Jenny

      Haha I’ll be cheering for the Grizz tonight (they’re my Western conference team even though they just destroyed the Heat :( ), so the world hasn’t completely gone mad. But I’ll be pretty happy if the Knicks get the 2 seed, meet the Heat in the ECF, put up a good fight, and lose.

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: WHAT IS GOING ON HERE

    36. yellowboy90

      About Amar’e:

      For once maybe the Knicks fans can not complain about what will happen when a injured player comes back and just wish that they player recovers. Social media has empowered the words of fans and athletes can read the quotes out there or hear the chatter on the radio, or from their friends who here the talk. So how about Knicks fans do something different and lift Amar’e spirits and let him know the fans welcome him with open arms so when he comes back he is not pressing trying to show everyone this or that. He will simply just get in where he fits in. Amar’e comeback well and push this team to new heights.

    37. Juany8

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: They’re going to come down. Regardless of which statistic you choose to evaluate your team, Jason Kidd will not have a 80 TS% in March. Nor will the TOV% be so ridiculously low by even next month. But the one seed is dependent on injuries, first and foremost.

      They could come down a lot and still get the 1 seed. That’s why it doesn’t matter much, and Novak still has a lot of room to improve. Chandler could also play more minutes, and even Jason Kidd will probably play more in the playoffs. I don’t know if they get the 1 seed, but I do think they end up as the 2 seed at this point. The other teams in the East just haven’t been good, period.

    38. johnlocke

      This is Knickerblogger…not Heaterblogger…or Grizzerblogger >>> I’m sure those sites exist.

      Jenny:
      Haha I’ll be cheering for the Grizz tonight (they’re my Western conference team even though they just destroyed the Heat :( ), so the world hasn’t completely gone mad. But I’ll be pretty happy if the Knicks get the 2 seed, meet the Heat in the ECF, put up a good fight, and lose.

    39. Glew

      Re cowherd if you listened carefully to what he said this morning he clearly hasn’t watched any Knicks games this year he said the spurs had more assisted bucket s last night which means they were playing iso ball which is largely not true and commented on Jr and melo as being poor lockeroom guys in the pastwhich is argueable but most of the time he is on the money with the stuff he is watching his football. Picks have been unbelievable thisyear. ( damn cellphone typing). I would say many so called analysts shouldn’t have their job but he know s what’s up

    40. thenamestsam

      Juany8: They could come down a lot and still get the 1 seed. That’s why it doesn’t matter much, and Novak still has a lot of room to improve. Chandler could also play more minutes, and even Jason Kidd will probably play more in the playoffs. I don’t know if they get the 1 seed, but I do think they end up as the 2 seed at this point. The other teams in the East just haven’t been good, period.

      Agreed. It seems crazy to say this, but I feel like a top 2 seed is already virtually a lock. The eastern conference looks like a bit of a mess right now. Currently Milwaukee and Brooklyn are tied for 2nd in the conference.

    41. Glew

      Also brings into question you can’t know what you are talking about if you only look at box scores and don’t incorporate the eye test

    42. Jenny

      johnlocke:
      This is Knickerblogger…not Heaterblogger…or Grizzerblogger >>> I’m sure those sites exist.

      And? I came here to express that I was happy that the Knicks are doing as well as they are and that I think they’re real contenders for the 1 or 2 seed. Only mentioned the Grizz because THCJ made it seem like it was impossible to be both a Heat and Knicks fan. It was a joke. May not being cheering for the Knicks tonight, but I am in the long run. And I wasn’t planning on coming here during the game thread to cheer for the Grizzlies. That would be rude, just like you. Next time ignore my comments. Thanks!

    43. jon abbey

      thenamestsam: Agreed. It seems crazy to say this, but I feel like a top 2 seed is already virtually a lock.

      you’re correct, that’s crazy. it’s 6 games in! if this was baseball, it would be mid-April.

    44. mokers

      I am really excited for when Shump comes back. He will be worked in at what the coaches think is a good pace. He will be held accountable for defense and the shots he takes. Last year he was asked to run plays and make a lot of decisions. This year he is not going to need to be the primary ball handler and he is going to be asked to make cuts and attack the basket if he has space. All signs point to him being responsive to coaching and having Brewer on the team is a great place for him to start.

      I am not as worried as some about Amar’e either. I think it is clear he wants to be a leader and somebody the team can count on. He will put in the work it takes. He may never anchor a defense, but he will be helped by having at least 2 or 3 solid defenders who are talking around him.

      It will be interesting to see how Woodson handles the rotations today and the rest of the month. We got all of these bodies so that we can use them. Playing against Gasol and Randolph would be a perfect time to run out some of the other bodies so Melo doesn’t get worn down on the defensive end.

      Whatever the result, it is fun to watch these guys play right now. Lots of intensity on defense and plenty of movement on offense.

    45. Jenny

      Really looking forward to the game later. If the Knicks get to 7-0 tonight, it will be nuts. Does anyone know what the longest undefeated streak is? I’m in NYC for grad school right now, and wondering if I should watch the game in a sports bar just so I can see the reaction if the Knicks win

    46. thenamestsam

      jon abbey: you’re correct, that’s crazy. it’s 6 games in! if this was baseball, it would be mid-April.

      Go easy on me. I’m a Knicks fan. I’m not used to having to deal with success.

    47. massive

      I, for one, can’t wait until Amar’e comes back. Having Amar’e gives us another 20 ppg guy at a 57%+ TS, and he makes our offense that much harder to defend. It’s gonna make double teaming Melo that much harder because you can’t help off of Amar’e, even if his knees aren’t what they used to be. He’s also a good dribble-drive guy (as long as he’s going straight to the rim). Anybody remember the synergy Felton and Amar’e had? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2TxLxr5blw

      One thing I noticed about last night was the value of the double team. The Knicks were using San Antonio’s defensive gameplan against them. There were multiple instances when the Knicks would get the ball to Melo, SA would double team, then Melo would immediately pass the ball back out, and they would rotate the ball around the perimeter to find somebody open for 3.

      Somebody above (I think it was Juany8) mentioned that Amar’e hasn’t been known as a good passer, defender, or rebounder his entire career. This is true, but Amar’e and Melo last year showed a willingness to pass either the ball in a two man game (the 76ers game no look pass, Melo’s curl alley-oops from Amar’e early in the season, etc). And Melo wasn’t known for tough defense, ball movement, and defense either lol. I love advanced stats as much as the next guy, but they seem to understate whatever value double-teams and good coaching have on a team (unless Mike Woodson is the next Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich).

    48. Juany8

      Jenny:
      Really looking forward to the game later. If the Knicks get to 7-0 tonight, it will be nuts. Does anyone know what the longest undefeated streak is? I’m in NYC for grad school right now, and wondering if I should watch the game in a sports bar just so I can see the reaction if the Knicks win

      I think it’s something like 33 wins by the Jerry West Lakers in the 70s. More recently, the Rockets had a 22 game winning streak with Tmac and Yao which was pretty fun to experience as a Rockets fan lol.

    49. Juany8

      Massive, I don’t disagree that Amar’e can still be a very productive player, I just love how this team looks with 4 3-point shooters and a roll man. I feel like that should be the main look for the Knicks going forward, but Amar’e only fits in there as the 5, and I’d rather play Chandler than Amar’e. The problem isn’t that Amar’e can’t help, just that it will force the Knicks to use a main lineup that doesn’t maximize this team’s potential. If he was the third big off the bench and still played around 25-30 minutes it would be great, I just don’t think he’ll be comfortable sitting on the bench during the 4th quarter, nor would Chandler.

      On the other hand, I’m not so sure Amar’e is actually going to be coming back anytime soon, or at least not effectively. The Knicks tend to consistently understate injuries, and why rush him back if the team’s doing well and there’s a potential risk to chemistry.

      Furthermore, if Amar’e, Melo, and Chandler HAVE to play together, JR is obviously getting the 2 spot with the way he’s playing. That means 2 of Felton, Kidd, Shump, and Brewer will be stuck on the bench at closing. I personally think Kidd has to play, but that’s he’s much better as a 2 that can quarterback the offense next to a penetrating point guard, especially for defensive purposes. I don’t think the Knicks fall to pieces with Amar’e, but I do think he limits the time our best lineups can be on the floor because he will need to play a lot

    50. Cmac

      http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8639011/examining-new-york-knicks-hot-start-whether-sustain-nba
      “the Knicks have been the third-best team in the league in limiting points off transition.”
      This ties in with turnovers (or the lack thereof) and giving up on offensive rebounds. Maybe this is the reason Boston has given Miami fits over the past two year and one way why this year Knicks team may have a leg up on Miami. Lebron and Wade love to score in transition and when you make them have to play in the half court.
      I love the fact that we have competent ball handlers now that just don’t give away possessions.

    51. Z-man

      Juany8: I think it’s something like 33 wins by the Jerry West Lakers in the 70s. More recently, the Rockets had a 22 game winning streak with Tmac and Yao which was pretty fun to experience as a Rockets fan lol.

      I remember watching the ’69-’70 Knicks win their 18th in a row (a record at that time) on a grainy black and white TV. The game featured the Knicks scoring 6 points in the last 16 seconds or so. Bob Cousy was a player-coach for the Cincinnati Royals who had not played in years, but put himself in for the last minute of this game and committed a horrible turnover. Here’s a great article on that game:

      http://www.izix.com/stan/index.php?chapter=8&column=7

    52. nicos

      re: Amar’e- he will provide a focus for the offense in the second unit. Even if JR takes a step back, an Amar’e, Sheed, JR, Novak, and any one of the point guards unit has the potential to be just as good offensively as the starting five. Unfortunately, while I think Amar’e will be better in pnr’s this year (he was pretty good in those first few games under Woodson), he and Novak on the floor at the same time could be an absolute disaster defensively. Novak’s rotations and help defense are just startlingly bad- if he continues to struggle to find shots I could see him getting benched in favor of Shumpert- an Amar’e, JR, Shump, Wallace, pick-a-point line-up could be pretty good on both ends of the floor.

    53. BigBlueAL

      Jenny:
      Really looking forward to the game later. If the Knicks get to 7-0 tonight, it will be nuts. Does anyone know what the longest undefeated streak is? I’m in NYC for grad school right now, and wondering if I should watch the game in a sports bar just so I can see the reaction if the Knicks win

      The 1993-94 Rockets have the record by starting 15-0, the final win coming at MSG. I remember it was a pretty big deal at the time.

    54. briand

      Looking at the starting lineups for both teams, seems like there is a pretty good chance that Randolph and Melo will be guarding each other to start the game. That should be fun. How is either guy going to possibly guard the other?

    55. massive

      Juany8:
      Massive, I don’t disagree that Amar’e can still be a very productive player, I just love how this team looks with 4 3-point shooters and a roll man. I feel like that should be the main look for the Knicks going forward, but Amar’e only fits in there as the 5, and I’d rather play Chandler than Amar’e. The problem isn’t that Amar’e can’t help, just that it will force the Knicks to use a main lineup that doesn’t maximize this team’s potential. If he was the third big off the bench and still played around 25-30 minutes it would be great, I just don’t think he’ll be comfortable sitting on the bench during the 4th quarter, nor would Chandler.

      Yeah, I would have to agree with your entire post. Amar’e is going to keep one of JR, Brewer, or Felton off the court. We really have too many effective basketball players lol. I do think that if Amar’e can actually play defense, he will be our best match-up for a Chris Bosh. Tyson Chandler doesn’t like being 20 feet away from the basket, so having Amar’e's quickness and athleticism to play there while allowing Chandler to shut down Miami’s cuts to the basket would be key.

      I also want to argue that Miami is most effective with LeBron James on court and D-Wade off of it. A Chalmers, Allen, Battier, LeBron, Bosh line-up is their most ideal unit to me (it looks like a better version of LeBron’s 60-win Cavalier teams). So even though having Amar’e and Melo on court to close games isn’t the best situation, other teams make the same sacrifices due to egos (even OKC plays Perkins in the 4th).

    56. JC Knickfan

      BigBlueAL: The 1993-94 Rockets have the record by starting 15-0, the final win coming at MSG.I remember it was a pretty big deal at the time.

      That just to start the season.
      The Lakers hold the record for NBA’s longest winning streak (33), set during the 1971–72 season

    57. JC Knickfan

      Jenny:
      Really looking forward to the game later. If the Knicks get to 7-0 tonight, it will be nuts. Does anyone know what the longest undefeated streak is? I’m in NYC for grad school right now, and wondering if I should watch the game in a sports bar just so I can see the reaction if the Knicks win

      So your Heat fan, Memphis G fan, and bankwagon Knicks fan going to Grad school in the City. I’m take a guess say your from Alabama which doesn’t have own NBA team but borders Florida and Tennessee.

    58. yellowboy90

      briand:
      Looking at the starting lineups for both teams, seems like there is a pretty good chance that Randolph and Melo will be guarding each other to start the game.That should be fun.How is either guy going to possibly guard the other?

      I hope Melo would try to put early work in by trying to front him but Gasol being such a good passer is an issue with that tactic. either way Melo has to put in early work and force Zach off the block.

    59. Jenny

      JC Knickfan: So your Heat fan, Memphis G fan, and bankwagon Knicks fan going to Grad school in the City. I’m take a guess say your from Alabama which doesn’t have own NBA team but borders Florida and Tennessee.

      Lol what is your problem? I just like basketball. I’m from Jersey, not that it’s any of your business. I don’t subscribe to the idea that you can only like a team that within some arbitrary geographical boundary. I enjoy a lot of teams that have players I can root for. Anyway, this is a Knicks blog, lets focus in them me and not on me. I just think it would be really fun if the Knicks kept this amazing streak going. The excitement of the fans around me would be really cool

    60. d-mar

      Jenny: Lol what is your problem? I just like basketball. I’m from Jersey, not that it’s any of your business. I don’t subscribe to the idea that you can only like a team that within some arbitrary geographical boundary. I enjoy a lot of teams that have players I can root for. Anyway, this is a Knicks blog, lets focus in them me and not on me. I just think it would be really fun if the Knicks kept this amazing streak going. The excitement of the fans around me would be really cool

      Yeah, c’mon JC, she’s just Jenny from the block

    61. massive

      Yeah, sports are supposed to be a diversion from real life. I don’t care who is rooting for the Knicks or whatever other team as long as they’re sending the Knicks positive energy.

    62. Jenny

      BigBlueAL: The 1993-94 Rockets have the record by starting 15-0, the final win coming at MSG.I remember it was a pretty big deal at the time.

      This is what I was asking about. Biggest undefeated streak to start the season. I think if the Knicks got to 15-0, all the NY tabloids and papers would spontaneously combust lol

    63. johnlocke

      No, there are rules when it comes to diametrically opposed teams. You can’t be both a Red Sox and a Yankee fan. You can’t be both a Miami Heat fan and a Knicks Fan. You can’t be both a Ohio St and a Michigan college football fan. You can’t fully appreciate the excited but tentative joy of finally winning unless you’ve lived through a decade of losing. You can’t be both with the Force and the Dark Side.

    64. Jenny

      johnlocke:
      No, there are rules when it comes to diametrically opposed teams. You can’t be both a Red Sox and a Yankee fan. You can’t be both a Miami Heat fan and a Knicks Fan. You can’t be both a Ohio St and a Michigan college football fan. You can’t fully appreciate the excited but tentative joy of finally winning unless you’ve lived through a decade of losing. You can’t be both with the Force and the Dark Side.

      Who named you the patron saint of fandom? I, and anyone else, can be a fan of whatever. Maybe some people enjoy “rivalries,” but personally I see no reason to like or dislike a team because of games those teams played before I was born with a completely different set of players. To me, a regular season Celtics/Lakers game has no more meaning to it than this Knicks/Grizzlies one. A lot of people do like the historical element of fandom though, and I have no problem with it. Whatever floats one’s boat. Different people enjoy different aspects of being a fan. Some people like seeing their team finally win after years of losing. That’s great. I like seeing it finally click for someone where they can reach that level when the mental and physical line up perfectly so they can just be athletically dominant. I think that happened for Lebron last year and it was a joy for me to watch. I think it would be great if it happens for Melo this year.

      Sports are entertainment, not a battle between good and evil. Anyway, let’s all just look forward to great basketball tonight.

    65. Frank O.

      Jenny: Who named you the patron saint of fandom? I, and anyone else, can be a fan of whatever. Maybe some people enjoy “rivalries,” but personally I see no reason to like or dislike a team because of games those teams played before I was born with a completely different set of players. To me, a regular season Celtics/Lakers game has no more meaning to it than this Knicks/Grizzlies one. A lot of people do like the historical element of fandom though, and I have no problem with it. Whatever floats one’s boat. Different people enjoy different aspects of being a fan. Some people like seeing their team finally win after years of losing. That’s great. I like seeing it finally click for someone where they can reach that level when the mental and physical line up perfectly so they can just be athletically dominant. I think that happened for Lebron last year and it was a joy for me to watch. I think it would be great if it happens for Melo this year.

      Sports are entertainment, not a battle between good and evil. Anyway, let’s all just look forward to great basketball tonight.

      Yeah stop being weird. Leave Jenny alone. Welcome.

    66. irish2u2

      It doesn’t matter if Amar’e's defense is not improved because of the guys we can put in back of him to protect him. This same observation was made of Zach Randolph of the Grizzlies. All we need from Stat is dedicated and consistent effort at both ends of the court. Hopefully he can see what this team is doing and he will willingly do what he has to do to make the Knicks better.

      I think JR Smith can sustain his present level of play (though not his ridiculously high 3 pt. % ; ) because he has changed. You can see it on the court that he isn’t taking crazy shots any more. Every shot he takes is a good shot and he is just as likely to pass as shoot and that was never his strength. This new complete mature JR Smith is a weapon and IMHO far more valuable than Jamal Crawford because JR plays both ends of the court.

      Sorry Jenny but you can “like” or “follow” multiple teams but there is no polygamy in sports. You are a fan of one team. You are married for better or worse to that team. By all means play the field but sooner or later you have to settle down and commit to one team or another. As a lifelong Knicks fan of 50 years there is no set of circumstances that would allow me to even tolerate the Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Heat, Sixers, Rockets and Nyets. That’s just the way it is…

    67. Juany8

      Are we seriously telling someone on a sports blog that they can’t have fun in New York watching the Knicks play well? Who cares who she roots for or how she roots for them, sports are entertainment, you can enjoy them however you want. Besides this isn’t your freaking blog, if she wants to post about how exciting it is to watch a fun Knicks team on the ESPN sponsored Knicks blog, she has every right to do so, especially since she’s been perfectly friendly.

      I seriously can’t believe some of the things people are writing, I guess I need to leave this board then since I’m a Rockets fan….

    68. bbbb00123

      I’m sorry, but this whole “you CANT like both the lakers or celtics” thing is ridiculous. What do you all mean somebody can’t like 2 teams? They can like whoever the hell they want. Liking a team is a personal choice. There are no rules about what teams you can or can’t root for at the same time. I’m personally a knicks fan for life, i have been for about 6 years since I got into basketball, and I’ll never like any other NBA team. I despise the Nets and all other foes our bockers, but i’m not about to rip on someone else just because they do.

    69. Jenny

      irish2u2:
      Sorry Jenny but you can “like” or “follow” multiple teams but there is no polygamy in sports. You are a fan of one team. You are married for better or worse to that team. By all means play the field but sooner or later you have to settle down and commit to one team or another. As a lifelong Knicks fan of 50 years there is no set of circumstances that would allow me to even tolerate the Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Heat, Sixers, Rockets and Nyets. That’s just the way it is…

      That’s great. FOR YOU. Live your life, and let me live mine. Like I said, lifelong, tortured fandom is a perfectly legitimate way to be a fan, but it’s not the only or best way just because you say it is.

      Personally, I’m just enjoying the fact that J.R. Smith hasn’t missed a 3 since Nov. 5! Crazy. The shooting percentage isn’t sustainable, but J.R is another person on this team that I’d enjoy watching figure it all out after all these years. I’ve always thought he was talented enough to be as good as Dwayne Wade if he could just sort out his shot selection, passing, and defense.

    70. Jenny

      And thanks to those who have welcomed me! I’ve been reading this blog and the comments for over a year now, just decided it was time to participate now that I’m in nyc and Knicks fans are everywhere lol

    71. BigBlueAL

      “I’ve always thought he was talented enough to be as good as Dwayne Wade if he could just sort out his shot selection, passing, and defense.”

      Thats alot of things to have to sort out :-)

    72. irish2u2

      Z-man: I remember watching the ’69-’70 Knicks win their 18th in a row (a record at that time) on a grainy black and white TV. The game featured the Knicks scoring 6 points in the last 16 seconds or so. Bob Cousy was a player-coach for the Cincinnati Royals who had not played in years, but put himself in for the last minute of this game and committed a horrible turnover. Here’s a great article on that game:

      http://www.izix.com/stan/index.php?chapter=8&column=7

      I remember that game too including the horrible grainy black and white picture. We have certainly come a long way since then which I should remember the next time I cuss out NBA League Pass because I have to watch a Knicks game in Standard Definition.

      Thanks for the memories.

    73. irish2u2

      I always thought JR “could” be a hybrid of Brandon Roy (before the injuries) and maybe Wade or Kobe. Smith has got the sick athleticism of Kobe and Wade. He has got the sweet jumper and superb passing skills of Roy. His ballhandling skills are similar to Wade’s. JR’s defensive ability could be similar to Kobe at his best.

      Obviously below the shoulders JR Smith is as good as any of them with his size, athletic ability and skills but above the shoulders is where stars become superstars. I like what I am seeing so far from JR and it feels like he can make that next big step to stardom now that his head is into the game. He makes far less mistakes. He sees the whole court. He is taking good shots and finding better shots for his teammates. Most importantly like Melo he is playing defense.

      As much as any Knick JR is the secret to their early success so far though all of the Knicks probably deserve equal praise.

    74. ruruland

      Sorry I’m posting Berman. Had to post this:

      Tim Duncan looked at the box score late Thursday night in the Spurs dressing room and saw Carmelo Anthony’s scoring line of 9 points on 3 of 12 shooting.

      Melo had been averaging 26.8 points during the Knicks 5-0 start before the showdown in Alamo City.

      “You assume we win that game,” Duncan said.

      Spurs coach Gregg Popovich’s plan was to take the ball out of Anthony’s hands, throw double and triple teams his way when he moved to the basket and let other Knicks beat them. And they did. The new Knicks of Raymond Felton, Jason Kidd and JR Smith beat the Spurs with Anthony playing the facillitating role.

      Anthony also ripped down a season-high 12 boards and had three assists, exhibiting his new grinding defensive game. He had a hockey assist on Smith’s go-ahead trey late in the fourth.

      “A lot of people may say he had a bad game no he had a great game, facing double and triple teams,’’ said Felton, the leading scorer with 25 points. “He did his job for us, creating triple teams, you got to give him a lot of credit.’’

      If the game plan to stop Anthony at all costs doesn’t work, then what game plan will work against the 6-0 Knicks? The league’s lone unbeaten team faces 6-1 Memphis Friday night in a grueling back-to-back.

      “Yes, we made a decision to take Carmelo out of the game,’’ Manu Ginobili said. “But the Knicks were just amazing shooting as they have been all season long. We’re a pretty good 3-point shooting team and we shot 27 percent and they shot 44 percent.’’

      Stephen Jackson, who took turns harassing Anthony into his lousy shooting night, had the best analysis on how the Knicks can win despite Anthony scoring 9 points, his season low by a lot.

      “I think last year Melo would have forced a lot of shots,” Jackson said. “This year he’s trusting his teammates and it’s shown out there, especially tonight. It’s amazing how they went from two guys shooting all the balls to a team that…

    75. jon abbey

      irish2u2:
      I always thought JR “could” be a hybrid of Brandon Roy (before the injuries) and maybe Wade or Kobe. Smith has got the sick athleticism of Kobe and Wade. He has got the sweet jumper and superb passing skills of Roy. His ballhandling skills are similar to Wade’s. JR’s defensive ability could be similar to Kobe at his best.

      Obviously below the shoulders JR Smith is as good as any of them with his size, athletic ability and skills but above the shoulders is where stars become superstars. I like what I am seeing so far from JR and it feels like he can make that next big step to stardom now that his head is into the game. He makes far less mistakes. He sees the whole court. He is taking good shots and finding better shots for his teammates. Most importantly like Melo he is playing defense.

      As much as any Knick JR is the secret to their early success so far though all of the Knicks probably deserve equal praise.

      yes, he’s been playing like the elite third player we need to be a genuine title contender. I hope he can keep it up, he looks great so far, in all facets.

    76. irish2u2

      Jenny: That’s great. FOR YOU. Live your life, and let me live mine. Like I said, lifelong, tortured fandom is a perfectly legitimate way to be a fan, but it’s not the only or best way just because you say it is.

      Personally, I’m just enjoying the fact that J.R. Smith hasn’t missed a 3 since Nov. 5! Crazy. The shooting percentage isn’t sustainable, but J.R is another person on this team that I’d enjoy watching figure it all out after all these years. I’ve always thought he was talented enough to be as good as Dwayne Wade if he could just sort out his shot selection, passing, and defense.

      I don’t believe I am telling you how to live your life but obviously age and experience are factors here and you have neither. But you do have an opinion which is great. Does that opinion stay the same in 10 years? Now there is a question but in the meantime like as many teams as you wish, make yourself happy and best of luck to you in all your endeavors.

      FWIW, “tortured fandom” is a nice turn of a phrase but in reality being a Knicks fan has always been a joy to me even when they were awful. It’s part of what I am. Not a significant part but an enjoyable part especially all the years I lived in the metro area and could see the Knicks in person. You never know what is important till you don’t have it any more which is why I am insanely grateful for NBA League Pass. ; )

    77. irish2u2

      “Tim Duncan looked at the box score late Thursday night in the Spurs dressing room and saw Carmelo Anthony’s scoring line of 9 points on 3 of 12 shooting.

      Melo had been averaging 26.8 points during the Knicks 5-0 start before the showdown in Alamo City.

      “You assume we win that game,” Duncan said.

      Spurs coach Gregg Popovich’s plan was to take the ball out of Anthony’s hands, throw double and triple teams his way when he moved to the basket and let other Knicks beat them. And they did. The new Knicks of Raymond Felton, Jason Kidd and JR Smith beat the Spurs with Anthony playing the facillitating role.

      Anthony also ripped down a season-high 12 boards and had three assists, exhibiting his new grinding defensive game. He had a hockey assist on Smith’s go-ahead trey late in the fourth.

      “A lot of people may say he had a bad game no he had a great game, facing double and triple teams,’’ said Felton, the leading scorer with 25 points. “He did his job for us, creating triple teams, you got to give him a lot of credit.’’

      If the game plan to stop Anthony at all costs doesn’t work, then what game plan will work against the 6-0 Knicks? The league’s lone unbeaten team faces 6-1 Memphis Friday night in a grueling back-to-back.

      “Yes, we made a decision to take Carmelo out of the game,’’ Manu Ginobili said. “But the Knicks were just amazing shooting as they have been all season long. We’re a pretty good 3-point shooting team and we shot 27 percent and they shot 44 percent.’’

      Stephen Jackson, who took turns harassing Anthony into his lousy shooting night, had the best analysis on how the Knicks can win despite Anthony scoring 9 points, his season low by a lot.

      “I think last year Melo would have forced a lot of shots,” Jackson said. “This year he’s trusting his teammates and it’s shown out there, especially tonight. It’s amazing how they went from two guys shooting all the balls to a team that…”

      Great quote ruruland.

    78. irish2u2

      To continue the thought started by ruruland it’s an amazing transformation from last year to this year. Part of it is personnel. Part of it is attitude and maturity. Most of it is leadership and focus.

      It seems everybody in or connected to the NBA is starting to realize the Knicks are for real. Except for Charles Barkley of course but his continued criticism is reversed validation. ; )

    79. nicos

      Fun synergy fact: Jason Kidd leads the league in point per possession, last year he was 345th. Also- Melo leads all players in ppp in the post. And for those who questioned whether Felton’s defensive rep was deserved, Felton is actually the highest ranking Knick in ppp allowed at 32 (Sheed would be higher but hasn’t had enough possessions to be ranked)- obviously still really early but a good sign nevertheless.

    80. ruruland

      nicos:
      Fun synergy fact: Jason Kidd leads the league in point per possession, last year he was 345th.Also- Melo leads all players in ppp in the post. And for those who questioned whether Felton’s defensive rep was deserved, Felton is actually the highest ranking Knick in ppp allowed at 32 (Sheed would be higher but hasn’t had enough possessions to be ranked)- obviously still really early but a good sign nevertheless.

      I’ll be getting new Synergy account in a week or so, can you post some other highlights on both ends if you have a chance?

    81. nicos

      ruruland: I’ll be getting new Synergy account in a week or so, can you post some other highlights on both ends if you have a chance?

      My old account from last year seems to still be working so you might give yours a try. Anything in particular you want me to check?

    82. jon abbey

      nicos:
      And for those who questioned whether Felton’s defensive rep was deserved, Felton is actually the highest ranking Knick in ppp allowed at 32 (Sheed would be higher but hasn’t had enough possessions to be ranked)- obviously still really early but a good sign nevertheless.

      I was really impressed with the job he did on Parker in the first half last night. when Prigioni came in, Parker started going at him repeatedly and Felton couldn’t shut him down quite as well in the second half, but since Parker is often unguardable by any single defender, I was impressed.

    83. nicos

      Here’s an interesting Lin stat- Last year he was an amazing iso player- eighth in the league in ppp. at 1.02, turning it over just 6.5% of the time. This year he has yet to score in an iso situation- he’s only had 14 iso possessions so far (12.5% of his total possessions used as opposed to 15.9% last year) and has turned it over on 6 of those possessions (42.9%). Obviously a really small sample size and those number will improve (you can’t get any worse) but yikes!

    84. Jenny

      irish2u2: I don’t believe I am telling you how to live your life but obviously age and experience are factors here and you have neither. But you do have an opinion which is great. Does that opinion stay the same in 10 years? Now there is a question but in the meantime like as many teams as you wish, make yourself happy and best of luck to you in all your endeavors.

      FWIW, “tortured fandom” is a nice turn of a phrase but in reality being a Knicks fan has always been a joy to me even when they were awful. It’s part of what I am. Not a significant part but an enjoyable part especially all the years I lived in the metro area and could see the Knicks in person. You never know what is important till you don’t have it any more which is why I am insanely grateful for NBA League Pass. ;)

      Sorry, I think I responded a little rudely, because I thought I was being attacked a little bit. I reread your original comment though and that wasn’t the case. Blame it on my youth lol. There are different ways of being a fan though. I do plan on going to as many Knicks games as I can afford now that I’m in the city (which admittedly is not many on this tiny little grad student stipend haha).

    85. jon abbey

      Game thread! SHUMP SHUMP! I was proud of Thomas for taking last night’s in the face of the odds, when do we let ruru start taking some of them?

      maybe SHEED SHEED until Shumpie is back?

    86. drm1977

      Jenny makes a great point of how cool it is to see a player figure it out and go to the next level. The impact of that evolution kid unique to basketball — it adds to the beauty of the game. Carmelo has demonstrated that transformation through the first 6 games.

      Whether Jenny comes back to comment more…who knows? We didn’t provide the most auspicious welcome.

    87. irish2u2

      Jenny: Sorry, I think I responded a little rudely, because I thought I was being attacked a little bit. I reread your original comment though and that wasn’t the case. Blame it on my youth lol. There are different ways of being a fan though. I do plan on going to as many Knicks games as I can afford now that I’m in the city (which admittedly is not many on this tiny little grad student stipend haha).

      No problem and a very gracious reply. It’s a shame Knicks tickets are so damn expensive these days. Back in the day $50 got me court side. ; ) I won’t tell you who was President then but it was awhile ago. Enjoy your time in the city and all it has to offer. Best of luck to you in all you do.

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