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Knicks Morning News (Friday, May 31 2013)

  • [New York Times] With Words and a Look, James Lifts Heat, 90-79 (Fri, 31 May 2013 07:12:03 GMT)
    LeBron James said a few words at halftime to try and coax something more out of the Miami Heat. Turns out, whatever he said was unnecessary.    

  • [New York Times] Game 5: Heat 90, Pacers 79: James Leads Third-Quarter Charge as Heat Take Game 5 (Fri, 31 May 2013 06:05:05 GMT)
    LeBron James scored 16 of his 30 points in a critical third quarter, as Miami took Game 5 over Indiana to move within a victory of its third straight N.B.A. finals.    

  • [New York Times] James Scores 30, Heat Take Game 5, 90-79 (Fri, 31 May 2013 04:12:04 GMT)
    The game was very much in doubt. A sold-out arena was basically silent. The chance of getting back to the NBA Finals for a third straight year could have slipped away.    

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Malone Reaches Deal to Be Kings’ Coach (Fri, 31 May 2013 04:00:12 GMT)
    Incoming Sacramento Kings owner Vivek Ranadive is already making moves to rebuild the fallen franchise.    

  • [New York Daily News] Kidd ‘thinking about’ Knick return (Fri, 31 May 2013 04:51:12 GMT)
    Jason Kidd says he is still decided about whether he’ll return for another season with the Knicks.”I am thinking about it,” Kidd told reporters at Justin Tuck’s charity billiards event in Manhattan Thursday night. “We’ll see. I have to make a decision.”Kidd, 40, is under contract for another two years.    

  • [New York Daily News] Melo didn’t seem hurt, by George (Fri, 31 May 2013 04:37:09 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony played injured during the Knicks’ six playoff games against the Indiana Pacers, but Paul George, who defended Anthony brilliantly in the series, never detected a problem.    

  • [New York Post] Jason uncertain if he’ll be a comeback Kidd (Fri, 31 May 2013 03:49:27 -0500)
    Jason Kidd isn’t 100 percent sure yet about his future.
    Kidd said Thursday night his “plan” is to return to the Knicks next season, but added he still is “thinking” about retirement and has not made a final decision on whether to come back.
    Speaking at Justin Tuck’s…

  • 58 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, May 31 2013)

    1. Vinny L.

      Kidd & Camby are going to rob the Knicks. But then again, Knicks were dumb enough to give a 40yr old a 3 year multi million $ contract.

    2. thenamestsam

      Vinny L.:
      Nate Robinson keeps Instagraming and Tweetin pics of him in Knick uniform:

      http://instagram.com/p/Z8Kkq7gry3/

      @nate_robinson 2d
      Love that pix #Shake????&Bake???? wooo !!! RT @SGTSTAM: @nate_robinson orange and blue is waiting https://mobile.twitter.com/SGTSTAM/status/339871576705089537/photo/1

      Nate Rob and JR on the same team is probably enough to get any coach the cold sweats. That said, I always liked Nate and I think maybe the biggest thing we were missing in the playoffs was an assertive scoring PG who could really hurt teams who avoid helping too much on the PnR. That’s Nate to a tee. And he did seem to be playing a lot better this year with a coach who was capable of getting through to him, and that’s Woodson’s specialty. I think he could be a good piece at the right price, especially if some space opens up in the guard rotation (seriously Kidd, just retire. You know you want to.)

    3. d-mar

      thenamestsam: Nate Rob and JR on the same team is probably enough to get any coach the cold sweats. That said, I always liked Nate and I think maybe the biggest thing we were missing in the playoffs was an assertive scoring PG who could really hurt teams who avoid helping too much on the PnR. That’s Nate to a tee. And he did seem to be playing a lot better this year with a coach who was capable of getting through to him, and that’s Woodson’s specialty. I think he could be a good piece at the right price, especially if some space opens up in the guard rotation (seriously Kidd, just retire. You know you want to.)

      If we could add Nate, Lance Stephenson and maybe DeMarcus Cousins we could throw out the dumbest lineup in the history of the NBA if you include JR.

    4. Brian Cronin

      Nate Robinson keeps Instagraming and Tweetin pics of him in Knick uniform:

      http://instagram.com/p/Z8Kkq7gry3/

      @nate_robinson 2d
      Love that pix #Shake????&Bake???? wooo !!! RT @SGTSTAM: @nate_robinson orange and blue is waiting https://mobile.twitter.com/SGTSTAM/status/339871576705089537/photo/1

      Poor Nate. He had such a good season but the current economy of the NBA makes it very hard for him to translate that season into an actual good new contract. The Bulls, for instance, are highly unlikely to keep him and what other team out there would pay Nate even the mini-MLE? So I think he’s going to be looking for a vet minimum deal again, so I think he legitimately is interested in returning to the Knicks. I doubt they are interested in it, though. Hopefully I’m wrong and some team is willing to give Nate the mini-MLE, because it is a shame that a player can have such a breakout year and then not get rewarded for it. But yeah, he would be an odd fit here. Not necessarily a terrible fit, but definitely an odd one.

    5. Frank

      I would love to see Nate back here. even aside from his occasional scoring explosions, he has just turned into a better/more under control player since he left. On a vet’s minimum deal I think he would be a steal.

      Why wouldn’t we want him back? He’s exactly what this team needs as an off-the-bench spark that isn’t JR Smith. That second unit really suffered from not having anyone that could get into the paint off the bounce.

      Not sure there’s a spot for him on the roster if Kidd doesn’t retire, but if Kidd does, and especially if Prigioni moves on, I’d go after Nate.

    6. massive

      Seriously, Jason Kidd and Marcus Camby need to retire immediately. There is no reason for their money to be on the books.

      There are a couple of good assets being given away for pennies this off-season and we need to take advantage of them. The #13 pick (+ maybe Vince Carter) and Thomas Robinson are both ways this team can improve short-term and long term. A quick glance at Thomas Robinson’s numbers will probably make you say “no way in hell” but I’ve seen some of his NBA tape, and a lot of his inefficiency comes from how Sacramento used him. He would be in isolation sets 20 feet from the basket and would have to use his athleticism to beat defenders. That’s a surefire way to make a power forward inefficient (remember when we tried that as our primary offense with Amar’e in his first couple games as a Knick?). He’s your prototypical catch-and-finish big man with a back-to-the-basket game that can be unstoppable in a few years, and he’s a great two-way transition player. He’s already a really good rebounder and attacks the offensive glass really well (4.2 o-reb/36). He’s the type of player you steal now and watch become an All-Star.

      I’m really hoping the Knicks make this trade. He can step in right away and be our version of Taj Gibson. In a few seasons, he’ll be our very own LaMarcus Aldridge.

    7. Brian Cronin

      Not sure there’s a spot for him on the roster if Kidd doesn’t retire, but if Kidd does, and especially if Prigioni moves on, I’d go after Nate.

      Oh yeah, if Kidd retires, that changes everything. Otherwise, I don’t see the Knicks being interested. Especially since they have the great Chris Smith joining the team, right? ;)

    8. RicanKnick

      CARLOS ARROYO
      In the end of the 2008–09 season with Maccabi he won the Israeli League, being named the Most Valuable Player of the league’s finals.
      On December 22, 2011, Arroyo signed a deal with the Turkish club Be?ikta? Milangaz until the end of the 2011–12 season. Arroyo led his team to win the Turkish Cup championship. He ended up averaging 28.4 minutes, 14 points, and 4.5 assists per game, and a three-point field goal percentage of 47%. After that, he helped his team win the Eurochallenge, while averaging 10.7 points and 3.6 assists per game. In June 2012, Arroyo led his team to win the championship of the Turkish League by defeating the Anadolu Efes team. Arroyo finished the game with 18 points, 5 rebounds, and 8 assists.
      In 2013, Arroyo signed with Galatasaray Medical Park] of the Turkish Basketball League (TBL). Since he signed with them, the team has won 22 games in a row including the playoffs and are in the finals. He’s going for his third championship in a row….In my humble opinion, he’s played well in the NBA. I would love to see him again in the NBA and if possible playing for my NY Knicks as a PG coming from the bench… IF Priggy Smalls decides to go!!!

    9. Vinny L.

      Did anybody see Nate play in the playoffs this year? (before that flu attacked the Knicks & Bulls)?

      This should go without having to be said, but I’d drop Prig in less than a New York minute for Nate. Then we could concentrate on big guys in the draft.

    10. flossy

      Brian Cronin: Poor Nate. He had such a good season but the current economy of the NBA makes it very hard for him to translate that season into an actual good new contract. The Bulls, for instance, are highly unlikely to keep him and what other team out there would pay Nate even the mini-MLE? So I think he’s going to be looking for a vet minimum deal again, so I think he legitimately is interested in returning to the Knicks. I doubt they are interested in it, though. Hopefully I’m wrong and some team is willing to give Nate the mini-MLE, because it is a shame that a player can have such a breakout year and then not get rewarded for it. But yeah, he would be an odd fit here. Not necessarily a terrible fit, but definitely an odd one.

      Why wouldn’t Chicago want him back, if only for the vets min?

    11. flossy

      massive: A quick glance at Thomas Robinson’s numbers will probably make you say “no way in hell” but I’ve seen some of his NBA tape, and a lot of his inefficiency comes from how Sacramento used him.

      His numbers in Houston were virtually identical, however.

    12. MeloDrama

      Vinny L.:
      Kidd & Camby are going to rob the Knicks. But then again, Knicks were dumb enough to give a 40yr old a 3 year multi million $ contract.

      It’s largely irrelevant. They were capped out for the next two years before those deals, so adding some cheap vets and hoping to bank a few decent seasons was more or less freerolling by the Knicks. It costs them nothing but Dolan’s dollars.

    13. massive

      flossy: His numbers in Houston were virtually identical, however.

      Yeah, he’s still the same per minute rebounder and mind-bogglingly inefficient scorer because there were times where Houston played him around the 3 point line and he would have to drive to create for himself. Play him from the free throw line down and you have a really good player in time. He’s all-hustle and he runs the floor like a small forward.

    14. massive

      MeloDrama: It’s largely irrelevant. They were capped out for the next two years before those deals, so adding some cheap vets and hoping to bank a few decent seasons was more or less freerolling by the Knicks. It costs them nothing but Dolan’s dollars.

      Actually, I think that if their contracts weren’t on the books, they would have enough room under the luxury tax line to pull off a sign and trade. ephus would know best, though.

    15. Hubert

      massive:
      Seriously, Jason Kidd and Marcus Camby need to retire immediately. There is no reason for their money to be on the books.

      There is from Marcus Camby’s perspective. Kidd I can see retiring, because he knows he’ll actually have to play. But Marcus can make another $4 mil doing nothing, and I don’t see him turning that down.

      Plus his nonguaranteed contract (for 2014-15) may be valuable next year anyway.

    16. max fisher-cohen

      jon abbey:
      “Two weeks later, it’s still difficult to completely quantify the craptitude of Tyson Chandler’s performance in the playoffs – so difficult, in fact, that I had to invent the word “craptitude” specially for this occasion.”

      http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2013/5/31/4375984/why-tyson-chandler-matters-knicks

      This was Chandler’s 12th season. It’s not surprising to me that he struggled as the Knicks have been asking him to play more minutes than he’s played since he was 25. It’s shaping up IMO to be amar’e part deux. While I doubt Chandler gets traded, I think we’ll all look back on this summer and think, “what if management, for once, had had some foresight and traded him for whatever youth/picks we could get,” the same way look at summer 2011 with Amar’e.

    17. yellowboy90

      I don’t think he will get traded either but man things seems to be opening up for the Knicks to get Bledsoe and Jordan. Since management supposedly made Chris Paul mad and wants to patch things up.

    18. BigBlueAL

      I dont get this fascination with Bledsoe. The kid is a great athlete and certainly has potential but his statistics are pretty mediocre with his shooting numbers being atrocious.

      The Knicks are in win now mode, trading Chandler for Bledsoe and Jordan’s bad contract doesnt look like an upgrade to me.

    19. Z

      BigBlueAL:

      The Knicks are in win now mode…

      Are they in “win now” mode, or “try to lose to Miami and not the Pacers in the playoffs” mode?

      Anything that gives them flexibility is an upgrade, I would think. They have too much money tied up into too few, and too old, players. If the roster, as constructed, truly could win now, then I agree it would be a bad trade. But, objectively, I don’t see how this team improves with age between now and 2015.

    20. BigBlueAL

      Z: Are they in “win now” mode, or “try to lose to Miami and not the Pacers in the playoffs” mode?

      Anything that gives them flexibility is an upgrade, I would think. They have too much money tied up into too few, and too old, players. If the roster, as constructed, truly could win now, then I agree it would be a bad trade. But, objectively, I don’t see how this team improves with age between now and 2015.

      Jordan’s contract expires in 2015 just like Chandler’s. Bledsoe becomes an unrestricted FA that summer too. So the cap flexibility is the same. Making that trade would only make sense if you really think that trade improves the Knicks. Im not sure it does at all.

    21. BigBlueAL

      Also hell LeBron could leave Miami next summer so beating Miami might not be that big a problem in the 2014-15 season. The Cavs could be the new problem then lol.

    22. max fisher-cohen

      BigBlueAL: The Knicks are in win now mode, trading Chandler for Bledsoe and Jordan’s bad contract doesnt look like an upgrade to me.

      I would argue the Knicks are foolishly in win now mode. I understand 54 wins makes people excited, but it sure felt like a lot had to go right for that to happen. Chandler got hurt…but Martin came in and gave us a month long flashback to 2003. Kidd maybe crashed in the playoffs but put up his best numbers in 3 years during the regular season while playing more minutes than any 39 year old should.

      And yes, Felton and Anthony had their injury troubles, but we also found gold in Pablo Prigioni. Copeland may be replaceable, but it’s hard for me to imagine NY replacing Prigioni’s production.

      The most scary part to me is that the East was terrible. Boston, Philly, Chicago, Washington and Detroit all stand to improve next season while Atlanta is a wild card, potentially getting better or worse. The free agent class isn’t bad this summer: Millsap, Al Jefferson, Mayo, Kevin Martin, Marion, Kirilenko and Pekovic were all in the WC last season. The majority of those guys will likely end up in Eastern Conference teams — where most of the cap space is.

      Sure, there’s the possibility that all our old guys come back stronger than they were last season, but the odds strongly against it. If NY was smart, they’d be putting all their heft into making this team as sexy as possible come 2015 because do we really want to re-sign Chandler or Melo through 2019 or 2020? Melo will be entering his 17th season and Chandler a Robert Parish-esque 19th season in 2020. There were only 12 guys in the league last season who were in their 17th+ season. Doesn’t sound like a smart gamble to me to bet on Chandler and Melo ending up in the top 1% or so of NBA players in terms of longevity.

    23. yellowboy90

      he needs to get to the line more and see if he can keep his 3 pt % up with increased attempts.

    24. BigBlueAL

      Melo is being re-signed next summer after he opts out (or gets an extension before next season is over). Im not advocating re-signing Chandler, hell by the summer of 2015 Im sure I will be strongly against it. Im also not against trading him, I think looking to trade him this summer is a smart thing to do. But if they trade him it better represent a serious upgrade to me.

      I know its fashionable now to consider the Pacers a much better team than the Knicks but sorry same teams next postseason I still believe the Knicks can beat them especially if they have homecourt again. The Heat are a great team but shit they might not even win it all this season and barring any drastic trades this summer they will be weaker next season unless Wade’s health improves dramatically.

      I know the goal for many people here is to have the clear-cut best team in the NBA and if not then its not worth hoping and cheering for them to beat a better team in the postseason because heaven forbid the odds are against them winning. But really is it that bad to root for a “flawed” 54 win team who only has a chance of beating the Pacers or Heat in the postseason as opposed to be favored against them??

    25. yellowboy90

      I don’t really want Jordan I want to trade him to a third team like Portland. Open up a sizable TPE plus gain some assets to get a center like Peko or even Asik and have enough room to get the full MLE.

      It’s a huge risk though.

    26. flossy

      max fisher-cohen: I understand 54 wins makes people excited, but it sure felt like a lot had to go right for that to happen.

      Really?! I think a lot went wrong but we managed to have a great regular season regardless. We lost the 2nd most player-games to injury out of any team in the league after only Minny. Including 1/2 of a season for our only plus defender on the wing and 2/3 of the season for an all-star scorer who was supposed to be one of the pillars of our offense.

      Based on what I saw this season I’m confident that all else being roughly equal, all that needs to happen for the Knicks to contend for a championship is for Amar’e to play ~1,800 minutes and be healthy going into the playoffs and for Shumpert to take a step forward in his development. I can’t say that it’s likely but I don’t think it’s wildly improbable either, and certainly not worse odds than us trading Chandler for Jordan and Bledsoe and somehow becoming a juggernaut.

    27. Z

      flossy: but I don’t think it’s wildly improbable either, and certainly not worse odds than us trading Chandler for Jordan and Bledsoe and somehow becoming a juggernaut.

      I think people come down on two clear sides: if you believe the Knicks can improve over the next two years with the core as is, you will be against trading Chandler; if you believe the Knicks’ best chance with this core has passed, you will be for it (seeing as he is the only core Knick with any feasible chance of being shipped out).

      The fact that Ruruland seems to be on the side of the latter, I think says a lot.

    28. max fisher-cohen

      It’s never bad to root for them, BBA. I root for them when they’re playing and bitch about them when they’re not :-). I don’t want the Knicks to be the best in the league, but it would be nice if they at least built their team with the intention of breaking into the top 3.

      Optimistically, you might have called the Knicks the 5th best team in the league last season. Realistically, they were more like the 7th best team IMO after OKC, Miami, Denver, San Antonio, Memphis, Clippers. And that’s with Chicago bound to overtake them with a healthy Rose.

      And as far as their chances of improving, I’d put them in the bottom five. What team has worse flexibility and fewer pieces/assets that have a chance of growing? Maybe the Lakers.

      I’ll admit though that there are a lot of rosters that if they were in New York would have me bitching. I would have been bitching for Boston to throw in the towel after 11/12. I’d be going nuts if the Knicks looked like the Bucks, Raptors or Pistons. Chicago’s decision to just let Asik walk as well as their refusal to limit guys’ minutes or cash in on this past season by tanking for a good draft pick would have driven me crazy. The Magic’s roster management has been downright awful before this past summer, and Donald Sterling’s recent comments about Del Negro prove that he’s in the same league as Dolan for worst NBA owner.

      I guess for me, the decisions are more important than the outcome. Let’s say the Knicks waived their entire roster this summer and signed Eddy Curry, Nikolas Tskitishvili, Jason Collins, Derek Fisher plus a bunch of d-leaguers and miraculously went 82-0 and swept their way to a title. I think it’d be really hard for me to be happy because it’d just be dumb luck. The reverse is true as well. If NY made brilliant moves every year and just got unlucky with injuries, I think I’d be happier overall than with the dumb luck team, even if NY never won a game.

    29. max fisher-cohen

      @flossy Stoudemire to me is found money if he plays well at this point. He’d struggled to help the team ever since Melo came along, so in my book, compared to early season expectations (which should have been the basis for NY’s offseason moves) Stoudemire outperformed expectations by actually making some positive contributions.

      All those games you’re counting are mostly from deadweight guys like Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Camby. These were moronic signings from which NY should have anticipated very little production.

      Three key guys missed time: Chandler, Felton and Melo. In Chandler’s absence, we got better play from K-Mart. That leaves two meaningful losses who combined to miss 29 games. (shumpert wasn’t expected to come back until January anyway). That doesn’t come close to comparing to the missed Love/Rubio Wolves, Kobe/Nash/Gasol Lakers.

      Hell, Parker and Duncan combined to miss 30 games. Rondo and Garnett missed over 50. These are far bigger losses than NY losing a so/so PG and one star.

    30. max fisher-cohen

      And to make a 3rd straight post… I’d say NY was better than Indy and would have won with a healthy Chandler and Melo and an average Kidd and Smith. I don’t see that happening next year though even if Granger is gone since Stephenson and George will get better, and with everyone but Shumpert on NY, you’re just praying they don’t get worse. Indy’s second oldest rotation player was younger than NY’s second youngest. Which team do you predict to go up and which do you predict to decline?

    31. BigBlueAL

      See MFC I just dont get that line of thinking. The team could put together a roster that you think sucks, win it all yet you wont be happy because to you they won because of pure luck?? They could put a roster together that you think is brilliant but still suck and you would be happy with that??

      Sorry man but WTF?? I mean this is why I love this site, the different views and opinions are great and interesting to read. But shit man Im just a HUGE Knicks fan not a fantasy wannabe Knicks GM (although I did win my fantasy basketball league last year lol). If I didnt like a move the team made but it lead them to the championship I would happily eat crow and be super excited celebrating a title. I wouldnt be pissed because my opinion was wrong you know what I mean??

      Also I agree with many of your points and I would be surprised if they can match 54 wins next season with the same exact roster. I do however think they should still be able to win around 50 games and except for the Heat I still wouldnt fear any other team in the East in the playoffs. Maybe they wont be the 2 seed again but still a 3-4 seed would be pretty good too.

      Next summer though will be very interesting if LeBron opts out and really does consider leaving. Same of course can be said for Melo and whoever else has an out clause next summer.

    32. flossy

      max fisher-cohen:
      @flossy Stoudemire to me is found money if he plays well at this point. He’d struggled to help the team ever since Melo came along, so in my book, compared to early season expectations (which should have been the basis for NY’s offseason moves) Stoudemire outperformed expectations by actually making some positive contributions.

      All those games you’re counting are mostly from deadweight guys like Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Camby. These were moronic signings from which NY should have anticipated very little production.

      Three key guys missed time: Chandler, Felton and Melo. In Chandler’s absence, we got better play from K-Mart. That leaves two meaningful losses who combined to miss 29 games. (shumpert wasn’t expected to come back until January anyway). That doesn’t come close to comparing to the missed Love/Rubio Wolves, Kobe/Nash/Gasol Lakers.

      Hell, Parker and Duncan combined to miss 30 games. Rondo and Garnett missed over 50. These are far bigger losses than NY losing a so/so PG and one star.

      Sorry, I think this is way off base. It’s crazy to discount the games missed by Shumpert and Amar’e, who both played great the 2nd half of last season with Melo and Chandler when the team went 18-6 to close the year. That stretch was the basis for every optimistic projection for the team going into this season–people expected STAT to contribute not get injured at the end of training camp and suddenly be missing months of the year. Those two guys are supposed to be key pieces of the team and they missed a MASSIVE amount of time, not to mention the weeks at a time missed by Chandler and Felton and on-and-off injuries to Melo.

    33. flossy

      Honestly the only thing preventing this team from improving dramatically is health. Shumpert should be fine, Chandler should be okay if he gets some rest and gets a real back-up next year, but Amar’e is the question. Either the debridements of each knee to clean out the scar tissue have him back at the point where he can play 1,800-2,000 minutes next year (and hopefully the year after) or he’s just in physical free fall and will have a Gilbert Arenas-like career trajectory from here on out.

      Amar’e gave us all-NBA caliber scoring in limited minutes for 30 games. Does he have 1 more full season of that in him before becoming an expiring contract? If so, it is absolutely worth keeping him, Melo and Chandler together for one more season unless a team absolutely blows us out of the water with an offer for Chandler.

    34. BigBlueAL

      I guess the main point in the end is Im totally fine with having the same team next season, winning 50 games and taking another shot with them in the playoffs. Some here arent and I understand that. I just dont necessarily agree with being upset about having to root for a team who will most likely “only” win 50 games.

    35. Z

      BigBlueAL:
      Im totally fine with having the same team next season, winning 50 games and taking another shot with them in the playoffs.Some here arent and I understand that.I just dont necessarily agree with being upset about having to root for a team who will most likely “only” win 50 games.

      The way I see it, I don’t care what the team’s process is if it leads to success, and I don’t care what the team’s success is if the product is un-entertaining. For me, this current team lacks players with dynamic games and/or dynamic personalities. I know I’m in the minority as a sports fan in that I want to actually like the players that I root for. Outside of Shumpert, there aren’t many contributors on the roster that excite me, and there are a few that I actively don’t like, so for me, the faster new blood can be brought in, the better.

      That’s just the way I see it. I don’t begrudge the folks who enjoy this team, and I don’t wish it ill. I’m just rooting for a shakeup, even if it’s a minor one, to hopefully give me reason to invest in them again.

    36. BigBlueAL

      Z: The way I see it, I don’t care what the team’s process is if it leads to success, and I don’t care what the team’s success is if the product is un-entertaining. For me, this current team lacks players with dynamic games and/or dynamic personalities. I know I’m in the minority as a sports fan in that I want to actually like the players that I root for. Outside of Shumpert, there aren’t many contributors on the roster that excite me, and there are a few that I actively don’t like, so for me, the faster new blood can be brought in, the better.

      That’s just the way I see it. I don’t begrudge the folks who enjoy this team, and I don’t wish it ill. I’m just rooting for a shakeup, even if it’s a minor one, to hopefully give me reason to invest in them again.

      I know you arent a big fan of Melo and I know you didnt watch any games this season but he certainly has games that are mesmerizing to watch (in a good way lol). I mean his month of April was truly amazing to watch, even if you arent a fan of his game or personality dunno how the hell you couldve watched his final month of the regular season and not be amazed and especially entertained.

    37. Z

      BigBlueAL: I know you arent a big fan of Melo and I know you didnt watch any games this season but he certainly has games that are mesmerizing to watch (in a good way lol).I mean his month of April was truly amazing to watch, even if you arent a fan of his game or personality dunno how the hell you couldve watched his final month of the regular season and not be amazed and especially entertained.

      Yeah, maybe I would have gotten caught up. I certainly didn’t expect this team to win 54 games. He obviously carried the team to that impressive mark.

      And for the record, it’s really not Anthony that I have the problem with. It is Dolan, of course, first and foremost. Though I’m not an Anthony fan, I was able to root for him in 2011 and 12. Of the players it is JR Smith that I find myself most unexcited to root for. The great feelings of Linsanity ended so abruptly with the healing of Anthony, the dismissal of D’Antoni, and, more than anything, the arrival of Smith. The mood swung from such sheer joy of being a Knick fan to a yucky power-struggle that ended in it becoming Anthony and Smith’s team. Then any hope of the Knicks actually having any good Karma under Dolan was obliterated by effectively trading Lin for a Ray Felton redux. So, yeah, I do blame Anthony for his part(s) in it all, but like I said, I’d root for him, if there was enough other stuff I liked about the team to go with him.

      But, like I said earlier, what it all really boils down to is whether this team is worth investing in. For me, it’s not at the moment, but that’s why I’m tuning in again, in the hopes that Grunwald (who I’ve liked since way back in the Isiah days) can make a move or two this off-season to bring in excitement for the future, not just the very near present. If he doesn’t, I’ll likely tune back out in mid-July.

    38. ruruland

      Z: I think people come down on two clear sides: if you believe the Knicks can improve over the next two years with the core as is, you will be against trading Chandler; if you believe the Knicks’ best chance with this core has passed, you will be for it (seeing as he is the only core Knick with any feasible chance of being shipped out).

      The fact that Ruruland seems to be on the side of the latter, I think says a lot.

      Perhaps I’ve lost some faith in TC.

      My two ideas: Gasol and Gordon/Anderson/Lopez can improve the team.

      This really comes down to my confidence in Amar’e staying healthy.

    39. ruruland

      Just saw Stan Kroenke and Bret Bearup drowning their sorrows out on the patio at a high-end spot in LoDo.

      SK was half-slunked over, off his ass, and he’s not known as a drinker.

      And then I heard the news about Masaii.

      I chose not to take a picture, but Kroenke was an absolute wreck.

    40. mr.JayP

      IMO the two biggest factors that will limit us is 1-health and 2-Coaching. And IMO any moves we make won’t fix that. I don’t trust woody’s minute management of players. I don’t trust him with his rotations or in game adjustments. IMO we just have a newer hawks team. Easy 50-55+ win team in the regular season. Come playoff time we are out by the 2nd round.

      Even tho I’ve had a few beers. I honestly don’t feel bad in saying that I’m young enough that at one point in my life time I will see the ownership change.

    41. Brian Cronin

      I don’t get the Masaii thing. I know that they’re his former team, but damn, dude, unless Toronto blew Denver out of the water, money-wise (Toronto is paying him a lot of money), it’s weird to make a lateral move like that. Does he have family in Toronto or something like that?

    42. Hubert

      max fisher-cohen:

      And that’s with Chicago bound to overtake them with a healthy Rose.

      A lot of people are making this faulty assumption.

      Those guys are broken down by the time they get to the playoffs every single year. They will be broken down by the time they get to the playoffs again next year, too.

      I get you’re overall line of thinking, Max, but I think we have one more year to compete with this team. I wouldn’t break it up now.

      The Knicks weren’t as lucky this year as people are making them out to be.

    43. max fisher-cohen

      Hubert, I can agree with that. I can see one more year. I can’t see two. And the possibility of what might happen in our third year if the line of thinking of management doesn’t change terrifies me.

    44. max fisher-cohen

      and BBA — I’m not saying I have to agree with every move, but at a certain point, I have to understand WHY the move worked. I have to see it as more than pure luck. For example, I thought Kidd and Prigioni signings were baffling at the beginning of this season. Over the course of the season, I grew to understand how they fit in to make a team that had been less than the sum of its parts for 1 1/2 years become more than the sum of its parts. It made sense.

      If the Knicks gave Eddy Curry a max deal in 2015 and he averaged 217 points a game off of NBA Jam style 3 point line dunks? That’s not something I’ll give anyone credit for. It’s the same thing in my own life. I don’t want to be a fortunate son. If I inherited $10m from some uncle I never met, I would probably pay off my student loans and give the rest to charity.

      For me, a Stoudemire who stays healthy, continues his efficient post play and learns to play better defense, while not as randomly lucky as the Curry situation, is pretty darn unlikely and not something I would be proud of having won a gamble on. Same goes for Tyson Chandler improving in his 13th season. Same goes for JR Smith in his 10th year becoming a more consistent player with the mental fortitude not to turn into a pumpkin in the playoffs. Same goes for Kidd giving us anything close to what he gave us last year. They COULD happen, but I wouldn’t be proud of myself for having bet and won on them the same way I wouldn’t be proud if I picked a random penny stock and invested $10k only to see it jump to $10 a share.

    45. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      ruruland: Perhaps I’ve lost some faith in TC.

      My two ideas: Gasol and Gordon/Anderson/Lopez can improve the team.

      This really comes down to my confidence in Amar’e staying healthy.

      Call your janitor friends at CAA and work your influence up the line. I need to see this 45-win team in action.

    46. bobneptune

      flossy: Really?!I think a lot went wrong but we managed to have a great regular season regardless.We lost the 2nd most player-games to injury out of any team in the league after only Minny.

      You realize the Knick roster was full of “injury waiting to happen” types like Kurt Thomas, Camby, Rashweed and A’mare, right, so it is hard to complain that they almost led the league in injury games.

      I would guess that the single “unlikely” injuries to Rondo, Granger and Rose had far more bearing on the out come of the eastern conference than the Knick’s hospital ward.

    47. Vinny L.

      @BobNeptune

      Guys are crazy with these roster destroying schemes I’m reading… I just wanna upgrade the backcourt and make it a little more scary for opposition by getting rid of all these old farts we have (Prig & Kidd) and adding a Nate Robinson or Larkin etc..

      I wanna pretend as if Amar’e and Kenyon isn’t going to be with us -do to injuries- and get some weak side help for Chandler.

      Again, we have to get these old geezers up outta here (Sheed, Camby) and add some good young sturdy big guys who are cheap.

      Woodson has a dream of beating Miami & Indiana with a group of guys who are pushing 40. He’s gonna teach us young guys a lesson… Uhhhh NO! Late 20′s to early 30′s is as “old school” as he’s going to get in the NBA, as the body starts to breakdown because of the NBA’s grueling 82 game season with non stop plane flights and practice included.

    48. Hubert

      max fisher-cohen:
      Hubert, I can agree with that. I can see one more year. I can’t see two. And the possibility of what might happen in our third year if the line of thinking of management doesn’t change terrifies me.

      See I’m looking at this as a two year window (last year + next year) of having a decent team w a puncher’s chance. The Knicks see it as a three year window. It’s not. That 3rd year will be a disaster. BUT…we have our pick after that year and we can’t trade it. And everyone comes off the books that year, too.

      So we had last year, we’ll have next year (which I expect to be similar, and if we’re lucky, better), then we’ll have a terrible year, then we’ll rebuild around Melo and Shumpert in 2015 w cap space and a lottery pick. Hopefully we’ll have learned from our mistakes in roster assembling by then.

    49. Douglas

      Brian Cronin:
      I don’t get the Masaii thing. I know that they’re his former team, but damn, dude, unless Toronto blew Denver out of the water, money-wise (Toronto is paying him a lot of money), it’s weird to make a lateral move like that. Does he have family in Toronto or something like that?

      I read on r/nba that Denver allegedly offered only $1.3 mil/year compared to Toronto’s $5 mil. Stan Kroenke seems more invested (literally and figuratively) in running Arsenal at this point.

    50. Brian Cronin

      I read on r/nba that Denver allegedly offered only $1.3 mil/year compared to Toronto’s $5 mil. Stan Kroenke seems more invested (literally and figuratively) in running Arsenal at this point.

      Oh, okay, then that makes perfect sense. Fuck Denver, then, for lowballing him. Dude just won Executive of the Year!

    51. Tony Pena

      Hubert: 3rd year will be a disaster

      You can’t have it both ways. If they get 50+ wins next season, you’d think that Melo, Chandler, Shump and hopefully JR, Cope, played at career levels or had above average years. You’d think that Felton and Novak held their own. And you’d expect another good GG finding. The rest is filler. None of those guys you expect to fall off a cliff in year 3. They actually have a chance to build on back to back 50 win seasons while having a lot of space to maneuver in the off-season.

    52. Tony Pena

      Yeah, the Knicks were supposed to have played Cope and Prigs more, and they would’ve rolled the Pacers… ehhhhh, I don’t think so.

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