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Knicks Morning News (Friday, May 11 2012)

  • [New York Times] As the Knicks Say Goodbye, a Busy and Challenging Off-Season Awaits (Fri, 11 May 2012 05:39:11 GMT)
    The Knicks, eliminated from the N.B.A. playoffs Wednesday night by Miami, are looking ahead to an off-season that will be dominated by important personnel decisions.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Playoffs Do Little to Resolve Knicks’ Subplots (Fri, 11 May 2012 06:52:45 GMT)
    The truncated and turbulent 2011-12 season brought progress to the Knicks, but not enough to think the immediate future is bright.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Sixers Finish Off a First-Round Upset (Fri, 11 May 2012 05:48:21 GMT)
    Andre Iguodala sank the winning free throws and finished with 20 points as the Philadelphia 76ers ousted the Chicago Bulls in six games.

  • [New York Times] 76ers Beat Bulls 79-78 and Advance to 2nd Round (Fri, 11 May 2012 08:19:19 GMT)
    Omer Asik placed his hands on his hips in disbelief as an improbable 76ers’ celebration erupted around him.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Beat Hawks 83-80 to Advance in East (Fri, 11 May 2012 07:57:39 GMT)
    Doc Rivers knew there would be no rest for the aging Boston Celtics.

  • [New York Times] Argentine Hunger Feeds Brazil Basketball Ambition (Fri, 11 May 2012 06:39:44 GMT)
    Overcome adversity, play as a team, never think of defeat, hunger for medals. Coach Ruben Magnano’s tenets for success have guided Brazil’s basketball team to their first Olympics in 16 years and given them genuine hope of a podium place in London.

  • [New York Times] Celtics and 76ers Advance, Nuggets Stay Alive (Fri, 11 May 2012 05:46:11 GMT)
    The Philadelphia 76ers and Boston Celtics savored playoff joy on Thursday as they advanced with last-gasp wins to close out their first-round series 4-2, while the Denver Nuggets avoided elimination by the Los Angeles Lakers.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Force Game 7 With 113-96 Win Over Lakers (Fri, 11 May 2012 08:48:33 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant spent all day under the weather and the way his teammates let him down made him feel even worse.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Beat Hawks 83-80 to Advance in East (Fri, 11 May 2012 03:17:34 GMT)
    Kevin Garnett had 28 points and 14 rebounds, hitting a jumper to give Boston the lead with 31 seconds left, and the Celtics beat the Atlanta Hawks 83-80 in Game 6 on Thursday night to win their first-round playoff series and advance to the Eastern Conference semifinals for the fifth straight year.

  • [New York Times] 76ers Beat Bulls 79-78 and Advance to 2nd Round (Fri, 11 May 2012 03:17:35 GMT)
    Andre Iguodala and Evan Turner hopped on the scorer’s table and played to the crowd as the catchy 76ers theme song blared in the arena.

  • [New York Times] NBA’s ‘Birdman’ Andersen’s Home Raided by Denver-Area Police (Fri, 11 May 2012 02:00:28 GMT)
    Sheriff’s deputies raided the Colorado home of Denver Nuggets center Chris “Birdman” Andersen on Thursday as part of an Internet child crimes investigation but the NBA player has not been charged or arrested, police said.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets’ Andersen Target of Investigation (Fri, 11 May 2012 02:48:32 GMT)
    Denver’s Chris Andersen, who is under investigation by the Douglas County sheriff’s department’s Internet Crimes Against Children unit, has been excused indefinitely from all team-related activities.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: 30 Seconds With Bernard King (Fri, 11 May 2012 00:55:51 GMT)
    30 Seconds with the former N.B.A. All-Star Bernard King.

  • [New York Times] Philadelphia Edge Bulls, Celtics Also Advance (Fri, 11 May 2012 03:37:01 GMT)
    There was NBA playoff joy for the Philadelphia 76ers and the Boston Celtics on Thursday as they each advanced to the second round with last-gasp home wins to close out their respective series 4-2.

  • [New York Post] Trio talks tough despite playoff rout (Fri, 11 May 2012 04:30:54 -0500)
    The Knicks may be done playing, but they are not done boasting.
    One by one, the Knicks’ Big Three predicted bigger things next season and Amar’e Stoudemire spoke highly of the prowess of their three stars.
    One day after the Knicks were bounced in the first round by Miami…

  • [New York Post] Lin-gering question at PG (Fri, 11 May 2012 04:56:00 -0500)
    Jeremy Lin’s left knee has wounded the Knicks. Badly.
    And not only for the obvious reasons. Yes, it would have been helpful if Lin could have been healthy for the playoffs, if he could have played against the Heat. Maybe the Knicks win an extra game with Lin in…

  • [New York Post] Woodson sees Linsanity as part of team’s future (Fri, 11 May 2012 01:16:41 -0500)
    One day after the Heat ended any chance Jeremy Lin would return this season, the Knicks’ 24-year-old sensation was discussing how much he enjoyed his first season in New York. But as a restricted free agent, the player who defined the Knicks season didn’t want to speculate whether another…

  • [New York Post] Don’t count on Knicks improvement (Fri, 11 May 2012 04:56:00 -0500)
    The Knicks are now 1-8 as playoff pushovers since the acquisition of Carmelo Anthony was proclaimed the best trade in franchise history by several skewed media masterminds, who apparently never heard of Dave DeBusschere, Earl Monroe, Bernard King or, for that matter, Jerry Lucas, Latrell Sprewell and Marcus Camby.
    Having…

  • [New York Post] Amar’e eyes improving on â??inside’ (Fri, 11 May 2012 04:44:57 -0500)
    Knicks interim head coach Mike Woodson wants Amar’e Stoudemire and the basket to have a closer relationship.As the Knicks enter the offseason, Woodson said he wants Stoudemire to become more of a low-post threat. It’s a desire that will require Stoudemire to adapt his game and learn…

  • [New York Post] Woodson sees good things in Knicks’ failure (Fri, 11 May 2012 04:13:06 -0500)
    Mike Woodson would rather view the Knicks’ season in two distinct segments, separated by the day he replaced Mike D’Antoni as the Knicks head coach. When applying for a job, it’s natural to want to showcase your best work.
    The Knicks were 18-24 and had lost six straight…

  • [New York Post] Dolan to Mike: Get new agent (Fri, 11 May 2012 03:23:47 -0500)
    Knicks owner James Dolan loves interim coach Mike Woodson, but he doesn’t like his agent Joe Glass, Larry Brown’s former rep.
    According to multiple sources, Woodson is seeking a new agent at Dolan’s request because of the bad blood still festering from when the Knicks owner went…

  • [New York Post] J.R. tweet-talking fans (Fri, 11 May 2012 03:16:04 -0500)
    J.r. Smith said yesterday he was just joking on his Twitter feed Wednesday night and didn’t mean to threaten Knicks fans that he is departing.In fact, the Post has learned Smith is leaning toward opting into the final year of his contract with the new CBA’s…

  • [New York Post] Anthony says he’s in â??shape;’ disagrees with TNT analysts (Fri, 11 May 2012 02:37:16 -0500)
    A defiant Carmelo Anthony believes the knock on him of not being in great shape this season is erroneous and was surprised Knicks coach Mike Woodson said last Friday he hopes the star forward comes back to training camp next season “in better condition.”
    “I think you guys looked at…

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Video: Kornheiser remembers when … (Fri, 11 May 2012 00:30:06 EDT)
    Pardon The Interruption’s Tony Kornheiser reminisces about the Knicks’ glory days in the 1970s, when they won their only two NBA titles.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Video: Stephen A. State Of Mind (Fri, 11 May 2012 00:27:36 EDT)
    In this week’s edition of Stephen A. State of Mind, Stephen A. Smith looks back at the Knicks’ season and what they need to do going forward.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo and Amar’e insist they can coexist (Fri, 11 May 2012 05:25:04 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony despises the question with all his heart. Since he arrived in New York in February of 2011, the Knicks’ star has continuously battled his ball-stopping reputation and struggled to prove that, as a one-on-one scorer, he can thrive with big man Amar’e Stoudemire.

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson drops Brown’s agent at MSG’s urging (Fri, 11 May 2012 04:47:47 GMT)
    Mike Woodson’s contract negotiations with the Knicks began last week when Woodson, at the urging of Garden management, decided to change agents, the Daily News has learned.

  • [New York Daily News] Lin says Knicks future not ‘set in stone’ (Fri, 11 May 2012 03:27:35 GMT)
    Perhaps the shadow of Steve Nash is sprouting doubt, because Jeremy Lin isn’t buying into the Knicks’ assurances of a new contract.

  • [New York Daily News] Smith: Catching Heat is no slam dunk (Fri, 11 May 2012 02:07:40 GMT)
    The day after the Knicks were booted out of the NBA playoffs in the first round by the Heat â?? the team most likely to be crowned champion â?? they were right back where they started the season.

  • 125 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, May 11 2012)

    1. iserp

      I just posted in the previous thread:

      Lin will take the MLE or higher, and in case we want both Nash and Lin, Nash should be the one giving up money. I’d rather have Nash than Lin here, but we also should look for another PG, becasue Nash ain’t playing 40 mpg during the regular season. However, he would make our offense beautiful.

      Another possibility nobody has discussed here is a S&T of Amare with the agreement of not matching offers for Lin. That would also gives us the MLE to spend. For example, Lin signs an offer sheet from Brooklyn of $8 million per year, then we S&T Amare for Deron Williams and don’t match the offer for Lin. Then we spend the MLE in whoever (Garnett… for example). That would probably be the best case scenario for us. And it is not bad for Brooklyn, Lin would attract a lot of fans, and Amare for all his defensive shortcomings, can carry a team offensively Lin/MarShon Brooks/Gerald Wallace/ Stoudemire/Brook Lopez almost looks like a playoff team … except that Gerald Wallace should be grabbing 14 rpg for that team to work, since Amare and Lopez must be the worst rebounding frontcourt in NBA (well, perhaps Bargnani has something to say) xD

    2. Cousyfan

      Paraphrasing Boris Badinoff with his heavy Russian accent, “Allow me to introduce you to some Psychology 601.”
      On a previous thread, there was some discussion about Melo smiling after missing two free throws. We should not fault him for having opened a small door into his very soul; we should empathize with him for how badly he felt for his failure. That smile was an ‘embarrassment’ smile, an ‘apology’ smile. He was feeling so terrible inside his heart that he had to put up a brave face; he was kicking himself.
      Remember the time he smiled after he missed a layup during the time when he was in a slump? When he was trying very hard to work himself out of that slump? He had opened a door into his deep feelings. We should empathize with him as he is reacting to all the iso-ball and hero-ball talk among the media and us. Therefore, it would be a bad idea to bring Nash to the Knicks. Melo did try hard to adapt to D’Antoni’s offensive sets, but Melo had never worked with a true point guard, and he felt very uncomfortable standing behind the 3-pt line way out in the wing. So, having Nash here would be a repeat of that experience.
      It will be best for Melo and Jeremy to work together this Summer and training camp to find their own schemes, like in football where the QB and WR work together.
      Cheers

    3. Nick C.

      Must suck to be the Bulls. You have maybe a 5 year window and two are already gone. One thing I don’t get is in the other thread and on the radio is all these people grousing that the Knicks didn’t get to play the Bulls. Rose and Noah may not have gotten hurt. It would be like the Bulls fans bitching that they didn’t get to play the Knicks who had Amare, Davis and Shumpert get injured. A last rambly question. How did the non-closer Iguadala get to not only get off a shot with under two seconds left but get the whistle?

    4. bobneptune

      Cousyfan:
      Paraphrasing Boris Badinoff with his heavy Russian accent, “Allow me to introduce you to some Psychology 601.”
      On a previous thread, there was some discussion about Melo smiling after missing two free throws. We should not fault him for having opened a small door into his very soul; we should empathize with him for how badly he felt for his failure. That smile was an ‘embarrassment’ smile, an ‘apology’ smile. He was feeling so terrible inside his heart that he had to put up a brave face; he was kicking himself.
      Remember the time he smiled after he missed a layup during the time when he was in a slump? When he was trying very hard to work himself out of that slump? He had opened a door into his deep feelings. We should empathize with him as he is reacting to all the iso-ball and hero-ball talk among the media and us. Therefore, it would be a bad idea to bring Nash to the Knicks. Melo did try hard to adapt to D’Antoni’s offensive sets, but Melo had never worked with a true point guard, and he felt very uncomfortable standing behind the 3-pt line way out in the wing. So, having Nash here would be a repeat of that experience.
      It will be best for Melo and Jeremy to work together this Summer and training camp to find their own schemes, like in football where the QB and WR work together.
      Cheers

      http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/demotivational-posters-pink-floyd-facepalm.jpg

    5. Frank

      In regards to the flurry of posts on the last thread:

      Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop rehashing the Melo trade? It’s over and done with. We had 75347257 posts about it 15 months ago and for me at least, it’s enough. The Nuggets are not the Knuggets anymore. Chandler’s not playing, Felton is gone, Mozgov continues to be a marginal player. The only player from the Knicks that is playing an actual role on the team is Gallo, and we ALL loved Gallo. So yes, I get it. Gallo is good. We all know Donnie Walsh and MDA wanted no part of this trade and that it was pushed through by the owner. Yes, I get it. Duck Folan etc. etc. I have a pretty good imagination and cannot possibly imagine any post about the Melo trade whose material has not already been repeated 1000x previously.

      Again, I know I have no editorial power here, but I would encourage us to just move on and talk about the team we have, not the mythical 26-24 team from before the Melo trade.

    6. KnickfaninNJ

      Looking the news above, I see that Peter Vecsey thinks the Knicks are in terrible trouble. Given his prediction track record and general analytical capability, this is some of the best news the Knicks have had in a while.

    7. Bruno Almeida

      uh oh, Denver won again…

      I guess the whole “Denver’s play style can’t possibly work in the playoffs” thing is kinda dead right now, isn’t it?

      Lawson was incredible, 32 points, five rebounds, six assists and zero turnovers…

    8. Nick C.

      Frank: In regards to the flurry of posts on the last thread:Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop rehashing the Melo trade? It’s over and done with. We had 75347257 posts about it 15 months ago and for me at least, it’s enough. The Nuggets are not the Knuggets anymore. Chandler’s not playing, Felton is gone, Mozgov continues to be a marginal player. The only player from the Knicks that is playing an actual role on the team is Gallo, and we ALL loved Gallo. So yes, I get it. Gallo is good. We all know Donnie Walsh and MDA wanted no part of this trade and that it was pushed through by the owner. Yes, I get it. Duck Folan etc. etc. I have a pretty good imagination and cannot possibly imagine any post about the Melo trade whose material has not already been repeated 1000x previously.Again, I know I have no editorial power here, but I would encourage us to just move on and talk about the team we have, not the mythical 26-24 team from before the Melo trade.

      +1000

    9. Caleb

      Nick C.:
      Must suck to be the Bulls. You have maybe a 5 year window and two are already gone.One thing I don’t get is in the other thread and on the radio is all these people grousing that the Knicks didn’t get to play the Bulls. Rose and Noah may not have gotten hurt. It would be like the Bulls fans bitching that they didn’t get to play the Knicks who had Amare, Davis and Shumpert get injured. A last rambly question. How did the non-closer Iguadala get to not only get off a shot with under two seconds left but get the whistle?

      He either grabbed the rebound or took a quick outlet pass after Asik missed the 2nd of two FTs (he missed the first as well)… then dribbled the length of the court with Asik frantically backpedaling… did it all himself. There were 7 or 8 seconds left when Asik missed. (I only saw the last 1:30 of the game – I don’t know why Asik was in there at all, instead of Gibson)

    10. Brian Cronin

      In regards to the flurry of posts on the last thread:

      Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop rehashing the Melo trade? It’s over and done with. We had 75347257 posts about it 15 months ago and for me at least, it’s enough. The Nuggets are not the Knuggets anymore. Chandler’s not playing, Felton is gone, Mozgov continues to be a marginal player. The only player from the Knicks that is playing an actual role on the team is Gallo, and we ALL loved Gallo. So yes, I get it. Gallo is good. We all know Donnie Walsh and MDA wanted no part of this trade and that it was pushed through by the owner. Yes, I get it. Duck Folan etc. etc. I have a pretty good imagination and cannot possibly imagine any post about the Melo trade whose material has not already been repeated 1000x previously.

      Again, I know I have no editorial power here, but I would encourage us to just move on and talk about the team we have, not the mythical 26-24 team from before the Melo trade.

      You know that I agree with that, Frank, but it has to go both ways (don’t bring up the Melo trade when the Nuggets are doing well and/or Knicks are doing poorly and don’t bring up the Melo trade when the Nuggets are doing poorly and/or the Knicks are doing well).

    11. Owen

      “We have a lot of players in this league who make max dollars and think, All I have to do is score and I don’t care if we win or lose,” Iguodala told Jenkins. “But I believe in karma, and if you’re a good teammate who spreads the ball and plays defense, it will turn.”

      I winder who Iggy is talking about?

      Frank – I don’t think anyone is ever going to stop talking about the Carmelo trade. It’s the biggest inflection point this franchise has had since the curry trade.

      Loved watching the Knuggets. They’ll lose in LA in game seven but they gave their fans a hell of a ride. They also proved once agaun that efficieny differential is actually a pretty decent tool. Why Lawson and Faried arent Knicks I don’t know….

    12. er

      I agree with you, bob was tying in Andre millers success and the trade. I understands he hates him but it’s so old. To your point I don’t think anyone brings up the trade in Melos favor though it’s 99% the other way around

      Brian Cronin: You know that I agree with that, Frank, but it has to go both ways (don’t bring up the Melo trade when the Nuggets are doing well and/or Knicks are doing poorly and don’t bring up the Melo trade when the Nuggets are doing poorly and/or the Knicks are doing well).

    13. SeeWhyDee77

      I was just thinkin concerning the draft..and with the fact we are gonna lose one or both of Novak and JR Smith..if a PG porspect worth drafting in our spot or 4 man we can actually use isn’t available, how about Hollis Thompson from Georgetown? Kid can shoot and play D and he doesn’t seem to take stupid shots. Speaking of JR..lemme rant about this kid.
      It pains me to say something like this because I flat out love John Starks and what he did as a Knick. But Earl has what I call Starks syndrome. He’s uber-talented, super athletic, can get pretty much any shots he wants..but he has fallen in love with 20+ foot jumpers. OK kid, we get it..u can get hot from out there and score with the best of them and ur range is seemingly unlimited. But get a brain!! He’s 6’6″ 220 and crazy athletic. He also doesn’t need to be set up because he has enough handle to create shots. All those nights he goes 3 for one million, here’s what he does. He gets the defender on skates, then jab steps and pulls up from deep instead of attacking. Dude I don’t care if ur name is Reggie Allen Bird Houston Nowitski!!! If u take jumpers like that all game long, it makes u easier to defend and makes it easier for u to go 3-15!! Gotdammit!!!! Ugh!!!! RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I would love to have this kid back because he can catch fire quickly and he can play D when engaged and he seems to be a decent passer…but somebody has got to sit him down and give him electro shock therapy against not using his full skill set. That shit is maddening!! For all the knocks on Melo and Amar’e..I really believe we’d be still playing if not for Earl’s brickfests. If he goes 8-15, Miami has a tough time defending everybody on the court especially when Melo has it going. He’s not the only blame, but he has to get a huge chunk. Again, I think JR Smith is amazing. I just don’t understand why he doesn’t drive more.

    14. er

      Iggy days this because he can have a good scoring game once a month :)

      Owen:
      “We have a lot of players in this league who make max dollars and think, All I have to do is score and I don’t care if we win or lose,” Iguodala told Jenkins. “But I believe in karma, and if you’re a good teammate who spreads the ball and plays defense, it will turn.”

      I winder who Iggy is talking about?

      Frank – I don’t think anyone is ever going to stop talking about the Carmelo trade. It’s the biggest inflection point this franchise has had since the curry trade.

      Loved watching the Knuggets. They’ll lose in LA in game seven but they gave their fansa hell of a ride. They also proved once agaun that efficieny differential is actually a pretty decent tool. Why Lawson and Faried arent Knicks I don’t know….

    15. Caleb

      Owen:
      “We have a lot of players in this league who make max dollars and think, All I have to do is score and I don’t care if we win or lose,” Iguodala told Jenkins. “But I believe in karma, and if you’re a good teammate who spreads the ball and plays defense, it will turn.”

      I winder who Iggy is talking about?

      Frank – I don’t think anyone is ever going to stop talking about the Carmelo trade. It’s the biggest inflection point this franchise has had since the curry trade.

      Loved watching the Knuggets. They’ll lose in LA in game seven but they gave their fansa hell of a ride. They also proved once agaun that efficieny differential is actually a pretty decent tool. Why Lawson and Faried arent Knicks I don’t know….

      I don’t know about losing, the Lakers look pretty brittle to me. Should be a good game.

      re: Earl, I’m not a hater but consider me underwhelmed. WHen he was 22 or 23 he looked like an impact player. At 26, not so much. He’s luxury but replaceable.

      Novak I’d love to have back, but we’ll see.

    16. SeeWhyDee77

      Ok back to Hollis Thompson..I think he will be a second round steal much like Landry was.

    17. Caleb

      And as most people know, Iggy is about my favorite non-Knick in the NBA…. (in terms of his game). Iggy v. Pierce will be fun, same with Rondo v. Holliday. I’d look for some 70-68 games.

    18. hoolahoop

      Nash is not coming to the knicks. He’s the smartest player in our generation and thrives on moving the ball to the guy in the best position to score. There is no way in the world he’s going to come to NY to play with Melo. He knows Melo’s a ball stopper, hero-ball, iso’er. That style would neuter Nash. Nash excels when he runs the show.

      On the other hand, if they trade Melo and get Nash, TC’s offensive production would skyrocket, and Amare would turn back into Amare. Plus, you’d have additional assets for now, or the future, from your return on Melo.
      Unfortunately, this will never happen.

      Nash is probably not a good fit for Miami either.

    19. er

      Wow you are serious? Nash would not want to play with melo? Melo would make his job easier and he would make Melos. All you melo haters seem to forget melo never shot alot when the team was at full strength it was only when Lin got hurt he was shooting alot

      hoolahoop:
      Nash is not coming to the knicks. He’s the smartest player in our generation and thrives on moving the ball to the guy in the best position to score. There is no way in the world he’s going to come to NY to play with Melo. He knows Melo’s a ball stopper, hero-ball, iso’er. That style would neuter Nash. Nash excels when he runs the show.

      On the other hand, if they trade Melo and get Nash, TC’s offensive production would skyrocket, and Amare would turn back into Amare. Plus, you’d have additional assets for now, or the future, from your return on Melo.
      Unfortunately, this will never happen.

      Nash is probably not a good fit for Miami either.

    20. Nick C.

      Caleb: He either grabbed the rebound or took a quick outlet pass after Asik missed the 2nd of two FTs (he missed the first as well)… then dribbled the length of the court with Asik frantically backpedaling… did it all himself. There were 7 or 8 seconds left when Asik missed. (I only saw the last 1:30 of the game – I don’t know why Asik was in there at all, instead of Gibson)

      I watched that with mixed feelings. I like the Sixers and the “team basketbal” teams but felt bad for the Bulls to have a great season go down the tubes and to lose the last game when it was or should have been wrapped up. Iggy was more a rhetorical question since he and his team get flak for not being shot creators and such.

    21. er

      Philly did what they had to do…much respect. They smelled blood with the bulls injuries to their 3 best players deng rose noah

      Nick C.: I watched that with mixed feelings. I like the Sixers and the “team basketbal” teams but felt bad for the Bulls to have a great season go down the tubes and to lose the last game when it was or should have been wrapped up.Iggy was more a rhetorical question since he and his team get flak for not being shot creators and such.

    22. ROUGH

      By boosting sales in Asia, Lin is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, even if he turns out to be a mediocre PG or back up PG. No other player can do that in this league, and I don’t see Dolan agreeing to trade him.

      If Woodson stays as the coach, moving STAT looks like the only option if we want to create salary cap space. But it all depends on which cheap pieces will be available in the market, and on how the team could be built around our big three (or bit two).

    23. 2FOR18

      @13. That’s amazing because I was thinking of Starks last game while watching JR. JR reminds me so much of a bigger Starks.

      I like him for the effort he puts in, but that last game put me over the edge. It drives me nuts that he doesn’t drive more when he’s ice cold.

    24. 2FOR18

      Brian Cronin: You know that I agree with that, Frank, but it has to go both ways (don’t bring up the Melo trade when the Nuggets are doing well and/or Knicks are doing poorly and don’t bring up the Melo trade when the Nuggets are doing poorly and/or the Knicks are doing well).

      That’s the thing. I guarantee that if the Nuggets got swept there would be many a gleeful, sarcastic post from certain people.

    25. 2FOR18

      Caleb:
      And as most people know, Iggy is about my favorite non-Knick in the NBA…. (in terms of his game). Iggy v. Pierce will be fun, same with Rondo v. Holliday. I’d look for some 70-68 games.

      Celtics in 5. I don’t see how Philly can score enough to make it a longer series.

    26. sidestep

      SeeWhyDee77: Speaking of JR..lemme rant about this kid.
      It pains me to say something like this because I flat out love John Starks and what he did as a Knick. But Earl has what I call Starks syndrome. He’s uber-talented, super athletic, can get pretty much any shots he wants..but he has fallen in love with 20+ foot jumpers. OK kid, we get it..u can get hot from out there and score with the best of them and ur range is seemingly unlimited. But get a brain!! He’s 6’6? 220 and crazy athletic. He also doesn’t need to be set up because he has enough handle to create shots. All those nights he goes 3 for one million, here’s what he does. He gets the defender on skates, then jab steps and pulls up from deep instead of attacking. Dude I don’t care if ur name is Reggie Allen Bird Houston Nowitski!!! If u take jumpers like that all game long, it makes u easier to defend and makes it easier for u to go 3-15!! Gotdammit!!!! Ugh!!!! RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I would love to have this kid back because he can catch fire quickly and he can play D when engaged and he seems to be a decent passer…but somebody has got to sit him down and give him electro shock therapy against not using his full skill set. That shit is maddening!! For all the knocks on Melo and Amar’e..I really believe we’d be still playing if not for Earl’s brickfests. If he goes 8-15, Miami has a tough time defending everybody on the court especially when Melo has it going. He’s not the only blame, but he has to get a huge chunk. Again, I think JR Smith is amazing. I just don’t understand why he doesn’t drive more.

      My generous reading of Woodson playing him that much and letting him chuck is that there weren’t many offensive options with the lack of consistent, or even existent, PG play, leaving the offense pretty much just Melo and JR. Certainly though, the guy has more gifts than he knows how to…

    27. sidestep

      …utilize. Also, the idea that he can suddenly ‘catch fire’ — sorry I haven’t seen it this year except for that non-repeatable 7-14 3P performance, and even then that’s the same efficiency as Novak on an average day.

    28. er

      The only reason that would happen is because so many people openly root for them, and glorify gallo and co
      It probably would have happened but not as much as it’s happening in reverse so …..

      2FOR18: That’s the thing.I guarantee that if the Nuggets got swept there would be many a gleeful, sarcastic post from certain people.

    29. cgreene

      Ok, so Igoudala has one great game in a series in his career against a team without their 2 best players and all of a sudden we’d trade him straight up for Melo? Please. The Nuggets get to the 7th game of a 1st round series against an over rated Lakers team and all of a sudden they’ve had an amazing season? Why is the bar so much lower for the teams and players that we have penis envy for and so much higher for our own? We just lost to the most talented team in the league which happened to specifically be a very bad matchup for our best player (and I’m talking about Chandler not Melo) and we lost our best perimeter defender, our PG was out and Amare was 1/2 a man for most of the series.

    30. bobneptune

      Frank:
      In regards to the flurry of posts on the last thread:

      Again, I know I have no editorial power here, but I would encourage us to just move on and talk about the team we have, not the mythical 26-24 team from before the Melo trade.

      fair enough.

      the knicks went from a 26-24 team with draft picks and a ton of flexibility to a 36-30 team with no picks and no flexibility. the fact of the matter is there is very little they can do to improve without moving melo or chandler because amar’e is for all practical purposes an immovable object.

      we have the atlanta hawks transplanted to the garden.

      your witness……

    31. cgreene

      In reference to the above mention about the Heat being a terrible matchup for Chandler, the one thing that really disappointed me about Woodson was the fact that he didn’t try zone. It really hurt the Heat against Dallas last year and diffused the neutralization of pulling Chandler away from the basket that Bosh did. Wade would have had less of an impact inside.

    32. cgreene

      Hoolahoop is just basically the Peter Vescey of this blog. No knowledge of the situation just antagonistically taking the side of the anti-Knicks part of the situation.

      hoolahoop:
      Nash is not coming to the knicks. He’s the smartest player in our generation and thrives on moving the ball to the guy in the best position to score. There is no way in the world he’s going to come to NY to play with Melo. He knows Melo’s a ball stopper, hero-ball, iso’er. That style would neuter Nash. Nash excels when he runs the show.

      On the other hand, if they trade Melo and get Nash, TC’s offensive production would skyrocket, and Amare would turn back into Amare. Plus, you’d have additional assets for now, or the future, from your return on Melo.
      Unfortunately, this will never happen.

      Nash is probably not a good fit for Miami either.

    33. er

      I agree with everything you say except the best player thing….people consistently say channdler is the best but he’s below avg on offense. What’s the diff between that and melo being avg on defense….he’s not awful as propaganda would have you believe

      cgreene:
      Ok, so Igoudala has one great game in a series in his career against a team without their 2 best players and all of a sudden we’d trade him straight up for Melo?Please.The Nuggets get to the 7th game of a 1st round series against an over rated Lakers team and all of a sudden they’ve had an amazing season?Why is the bar so much lower for the teams and players that we have penis envy for and so much higher for our own?We just lost to the most talented team in the league which happened to specifically be a very bad matchup for our best player (and I’m talking about Chandler not Melo) and we lost our best perimeter defender, our PG was out and Amare was 1/2 a man for most of the series.

    34. er

      The nets have alotta flexibility as well how’s that working out

      bobneptune: fair enough.

      the knicks went from a 26-24 team with draft picks and a ton of flexibility to a 36-30 team with no picks and no flexibility. the fact of the matter is there is very little they can do to improve without moving melo or chandler because amar’e is for all practical purposes an immovable object.

      we have the atlanta hawks transplanted to the garden.

      your witness……

    35. bobneptune

      er:
      I agree with you, bob was tying in Andre millers success and the trade. I understands he hates him but it’s so old. To your point I don’t think anyone brings up the trade in Melos favor though it’s 99% the other way around

      what is there to bring up in the knicks favor?

      how has this trade worked well for the knicks (other than melo getting max dollars and the green light to hoist shots from all angles from his coach who is coaching for a new contract).

    36. Will the Thrill

      Because he’s not great on offense either hahaah

      er:
      I agree with everything you say except the best player thing….people consistently say channdler is the best but he’s below avg on offense. What’s the diff between that and melo being avg on defense….he’s not awful as propaganda would have you believe

    37. er

      Hey man I wasn’t arguing for or against the trade I was simply refuting his point that it’s brought up by both sides…it’s clearly not

      bobneptune: what is there to bring up in the knicks favor?

      how has this trade worked well for the knicks (other than melo getting max dollars and the green light to hoist shots from all angles from his coach who is coaching for a new contract).

    38. Bruno Almeida

      cgreene:
      Ok, so Igoudala has one great game in a series in his career against a team without their 2 best players and all of a sudden we’d trade him straight up for Melo?Please.The Nuggets get to the 7th game of a 1st round series against an over rated Lakers team and all of a sudden they’ve had an amazing season?Why is the bar so much lower for the teams and players that we have penis envy for and so much higher for our own?We just lost to the most talented team in the league which happened to specifically be a very bad matchup for our best player (and I’m talking about Chandler not Melo) and we lost our best perimeter defender, our PG was out and Amare was 1/2 a man for most of the series.

      I’d trade him straight up for Melo much before this one game.

    39. bobneptune

      ROUGH:
      By boosting sales in Asia, Lin is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, even if he turns out to be a mediocre PG or back up PG. No other player can do that in this league, and I don’t see Dolan agreeing to trade him.

      If Woodson stays as the coach, moving STAT looks like the only option if we want to create salary cap space. But it all depends on which cheap pieces will be available in the market, and on how the team could be built around our big three (or bit two).

      and who is going to take on amar’e's bloated contract with his bad back? you realize isiah is no longer an nba gm, right? :-)

    40. TelegraphedPass

      sidestep: …utilize. Also, the idea that he can suddenly ‘catch fire’ — sorry I haven’t seen it this year except for that non-repeatable 7-14 3P performance, and even then that’s the same efficiency as Novak on an average day.

      JR is one of the best perimeter shooters in recent NBA history, in terms of how he shoots the ball. Typically, he shoots the three at an insane rate in almost every situation: in transition, spot ups, off the dribble, off screens, as the PnR ball handler. Very few players have the ability to shoot well in all those situations and Earl is one of them.

      This season has been a disappointment, but I trust you haven’t seen his Denver days. His shot selection has always been a concern, but even counting this year (his worst shooting year since his rookie season) JR owns a career TS% of 54.4. To put that in context, he would trail only Tyson Chandler, Steve Novak, and Jeremy Lin in TS% among our rotation players this season.

      He’s torched teams before, dropping 45 points and 11 threes off the bench. He’s definitely a player who can heat up and score on anyone. Don’t let this season fool you: JR would be a great asset for this team moving forward.

    41. er

      Philly wishes you were the Knicks gm because they have regretted his contract for years

      Bruno Almeida: I’d trade him straight up for Melo much before this one game.

    42. TelegraphedPass

      er: Philly wishes you were the Knicks gm because they have regretted his contract for years

      Philly fans have stupidly underrated Iguodala for years. He’s been one of the best 2 way wings in the league for some time now and many of them wanted him gone because he doesn’t post enormous scoring totals.

      I’m not going to agree that I’d definitely trade him straight up for Carmelo, but I’d definitely think about it. I’m not sure Iggy fits alongside STAT better than Melo, and that’s my real issue.

    43. er

      Hey he’s a good player but he doesnt impact seasons the way teams top players do. He’s been in the league since 04 what’s the highest his teams have finished in east

      TelegraphedPass: Philly fans have stupidly underrated Iguodala for years. He’s been one of the best 2 way wings in the league for some time now and many of them wanted him gone because he doesn’t post enormous scoring totals.

      I’m not going to agree that I’d definitely trade him straight up for Carmelo, but I’d definitely think about it. I’m not sure Iggy fits alongside STAT better than Melo, and that’s my real issue.

    44. johnlocke

      I know we are all clamoring for Nash (myself among them) but wanted to point out a couple facts to show that maybe we’re discounting Lin and his potential too much.

      1. Lin is at least as good if not a better player at 23 than Steve Nash was in his 4th year in the league.
      Comparing Steve Nash’s 4th year to Lin’s 2nd year (they averaged ~ the same # of minutes):
      Steve Nash – PPG: 8.6, Assts – 4.9, TO – 1.8, ST – 0.7, Reb – 2.2
      Jeremy Lin – PPG: 14.6 Assts – 6.2 TO – 3.6, ST – 1.6, Reb – 3.0
      He needs to decrease his # of TOs, this is usually a good sign for a young point guard and something that he should be able to fix with healthy play-makers around him. Steve marginally better from the field and much better from three (40% for nash vs 32% for Lin)

      2. Steve Nash showed the ability to improve his game and have big jumps through hardwork over the course of 2 seasons (I think Lin has a similar hardwork DNA)
      Nash – Yr 4: see stats above
      Nash – Yr 6: PPG: 17.9, Assts – 7.7, TO – 2.8, ST – 0.6, Reb – 3.1

      3. Jeremy Lin in his come back to earth game against the Heat, for 1 game and looked terrible. Here’s what Steve did against the Heat – they only played them once. This is basically a rookie player going against the best pick and roll defense in the NBA and was terrible, but it’s not like Steve was a genius against it.
      Nash: 9 PTs, 7 TOs, 10 Assists, 5 Rebounds
      Lin: 8 PTs, 8 TOs, 3 Assists, 6 Rebounds

      4. Lin is effectively in his rookie season, he barely played last year. If any rookie put up these kinds of performances, they’d be right behind Kyrie Irving for rookie of the year

      Caveat is that it was only a 35 game sample… but odds are that he gets better, not worse and he has specific things he can work on that aren’t the most difficult things to fix (off-hand dishing and penetration, mid-range and three point shooting, in-traffic decision making)

    45. bobneptune

      cgreene:
      Hoolahoop is just basically the Peter Vescey of this blog.No knowledge of the situation just antagonistically taking the side of the anti-Knicks part of the situation.

      OK… what’s to be positive about moving forward. we have incompatible stars and one with an immovable contract, no draft picks and no cap flexibility from here to eternity.

      i mean you need a parlay of shumpert making a rod woodson recovery from acl surgery retaining his hops and lateral quickness while developing a j, amar’e making a successful sojourn to lourdes rather than jerusalem this off season returning as the amar’e of the first half of last year, chandler discovering some skill more than 3 feet from the basket, lin shaking off surgery to become the mandrin magic johnson and melo needs to visit that machine on the boardwalk tom hanks wished upon in “Big” and channel larry bird’s basketball IQ.

      other than that…. the future is extremely bright.

    46. Nick C.

      er: Hey he’s a good player but he doesnt impact seasons the way teams top players do. He’s been in the league since 04 what’s the highest his teams have finished in east

      Dude I wouldn’t go down that route if I were you and backhandedly trying to defend Melo.

    47. TelegraphedPass

      er: Hey he’s a good player but he doesnt impact seasons the way teams top players do. He’s been in the league since 04 what’s the highest his teams have finished in east

      I don’t tend to judge players simply off wins and losses. That’s more a measure of team success, and there are too many variables there. Just like I don’t think Melo’s lack of significant success damns him, I don’t believe Iggy’s is indicative of personal failure.

      He definitely impacts games as much as many All-Stars in this league. He doesn’t draw defensive focus like some of the elite scorers, but he’s developed into a lowkey deadly spot up shooter. Melo isn’t even close to as devastating in those situations. He’s also one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. He can guard 2s and 3s and locks both up.

      Don’t sleep on Iggy. The league already has for far too long.

    48. bobneptune

      er:
      The nets have alotta flexibility as well how’s that working out

      if you want to have a discussion about the nyets, we can certainly do that, but for the time being, plz keep the goal posts in the same place.

    49. er

      No the focus is on flexibility what exactly does that do for you? How many teams in the NBA who have had flexibility have used that to become rapid contenders? I can think of only one….the Miami heat

      bobneptune: if you want to have a discussion about the nyets, we can certainly do that, but for the time being, plz keep the goal posts in the same place.

    50. er

      Hey I like iggy and by no means am I saying he’s a failure, I think he has improved alot. All I am saying is that his teams have missed the playoffs quite a few times in a weak east and had an epic collapse this year when their schedule toughened up. He would be maximized on a team like the spurs

      TelegraphedPass: I don’t tend to judge players simply off wins and losses. That’s more a measure of team success, and there are too many variables there. Just like I don’t think Melo’s lack of significant success damns him, I don’t believe Iggy’s is indicative of personal failure.

      He definitely impacts games as much as many All-Stars in this league. He doesn’t draw defensive focus like some of the elite scorers, but he’s developed into a lowkey deadly spot up shooter. Melo isn’t even close to as devastating in those situations. He’s also one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. He can guard 2s and 3s and locks both up.

      Don’t sleep on Iggy. The league already has for far too long.

    51. TelegraphedPass

      Oh, and by the way. Before we get too caught up cursing Melo’s shot selection, it probably should be more clear that he knows his limitations better than he’s given credit for here.

      I suspect Melo studies his hotspots heavily, because every year he aligns his shot locations with his hotspots almost perfectly. Check out the great Kirk Goldsberry’s article on Melo’s spacial chart for the exact details. Melo shoots most often from long 2 on the right side because he makes those at a significantly higher rate than 15 foot jumpers (almost a 10% difference).

      I understand that for most players the long 2 is a stupid shot, but Carmelo is not most players. I have no problem with a player intentionally taking shots from his hottest zones.

    52. er

      It’s not even about defending melo it’s putting iguadala on a pedistal….you might like iguadala more but melo and his teams have accomplished more than him every year

      Nick C.: Dude I wouldn’t go down that route if I were you and backhandedly trying to defend Melo.

    53. 2FOR18

      er:
      The only reason that would happen is because so many people openly root for them, and glorify gallo and co
      It probably would have happened but not as much as it’s happening in reverse so …..

      Speaking for myself, it’s not just a gallo/melo thing.

      I LOVED Lawson at NC and it still makes me ill that the Knicks, who needed a pg, didn’t draft him. And now I have to watch Lawson excel on a team with a few young ex-Knicks that I also like. AND the Knicks could have waited til the offseason to sign melo instead of giving up 4 rotation players AND a bunch of draft picks.

      Can’t you at least acknowledge how frustrating this all is to some, and not just mock us Capulets?

    54. massive

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iguodan01.html

      I don’t want this guy at his salary. Some of you may believe he’s the anti-Melo and therefore better, but he in fact is no better than Melo. At least Melo can score 40+ points when everybody in the United States knows he’s getting the ball. The Knicks get swept if we have Igoudala instead of Melo given the same premises (injuries, same team, etc).

      I don’t like the slight at Carmelo Anthony only being a shot-taker. He’s ramped up his defense considerably since he’s been here, he’s a good rebounder, and he will pass the ball when he has confidence in his teammates (and it’s hard to have confidence in Landry Fields). I’ve said it here before, but I think it deserves restating; When Mike Woodson changed the offense from D’Antoni’s system to his system, it became very predictable and disgusting to watch. Woodson’s offense is the kind of offense that makes players as talented as Carmelo and Joe Johnson less efficient than they should be. The Knicks need an offense like the one in OKC or San Antonio, so I’m in favor of him leaving (seeing that T-1000 + D’Antoni = top 10 defense). You can place 100% of the blame on Carmelo Anthony because he makes all of the money, but we all know that isn’t fair. How can you get mad at Carmelo for smiling after missing free throws, but not be mad at Amar’e for injuring himself two playoffs in a row? Because Stoudemire’s stats have looked better than Melo’s for their respective careers?

      Carmelo Anthony is a flawed player who should be making less money, if you’re only talking about production. But he’s our guy now, whether we like it or not. He isn’t Gallo, who refuses to score at times. He isn’t Iggy, who just doesn’t have much of an offensive game in the first place. I find that it’s much easier to not be angry because a set of numbers tell you to be mad.

    55. TelegraphedPass

      If you hate long 2s, you would absolutely HATE Andre Iguodala. The highest percentage of field goal attempts from Iggy come from 16-21 feet, where he connects on a very sad 31%.

      By contrast, the majority of Melo’s FGA came at the rim this season, but he shot 38% on long 2s anyways.

      I still think Iggy could be a more useful player than Melo, but I can’t say it’s clear cut by any means.

      Josh Priemski said last night that we’ve overrated Melo for so long that he’s catching all the flak he missed from years past, but now we’ve gotten dangerously close to underrating him. I think some people are in that zone now.

    56. TelegraphedPass

      2FOR18: Speaking for myself, it’s not just a gallo/melo thing. I LOVED Lawson at NC and it still makes me ill that the Knicks, who needed a pg, didn’t draft him. And now I have to watch Lawson excel on a team with a few young ex-Knicks that I also like. AND the Knicks could have waited til the offseason to sign melo instead of giving up 4 rotation players AND a bunch of draft picks. Can’t you at least acknowledge how frustrating this all is to some, and not just mock us Capulets?

      But… but… JORDAN HILL BRO!

      No, in al seriousness I get it. But many teams whiffed on Lawson. Of course his production said that he could be a really good player, but scouts get really caught up in things like size and wingspan and don’t put enough emphasis on actual production sometimes. Lawson is 5’11″ and teams were afraid of that.

      That doesn’t excuse NY for also passing on Brandon Jennings (who still to this day resents NY for it), Jrue Holiday, Eric Maynor, Darren Collison, etc. At the time, Hill was projected to be a stronger Chris Bosh. Guess not, eh?

    57. Owen

      Why would you say chandler is below average offensively? That’s just nuts.

      And the idea that Melo is as good on offense as chandler, the dpoy, is on defense is just ludricrous

      er:
      I agree with everything you say except the best player thing….people consistently say channdler is the best but he’s below avg on offense. What’s the diff between that and melo being avg on defense….he’s not awful as propaganda would have you believe

      2FOR18: That’s the thing.I guarantee that if the Nuggets got swept there would be many a gleeful, sarcastic post from certain people.

    58. 2FOR18

      TelegraphedPass:
      Oh, and by the way. Before we get too caught up cursing Melo’s shot selection, it probably should be more clear that he knows his limitations better than he’s given credit for here.

      I suspect Melo studies his hotspots heavily, because every year he aligns his shot locations with his hotspots almost perfectly. Check out the great Kirk Goldsberry’s article on Melo’s spacial chart for the exact details. Melo shoots most often from long 2 on the right side because he makes those at a significantly higher rate than 15 foot jumpers (almost a 10% difference).

      I understand that for most players the long 2 is a stupid shot, but Carmelo is not most players. I have no problem with a player intentionally taking shots from his hottest zones.

      Wouldn’t you think he’d be more efficient if he took 3′s instead of those long 2s? I’m just asking. Do you know what his shooting % is from 19+ feet (not including 3′s)?

    59. er

      No doubt I feel you man…my position is just different from someone on your side of the argument.

      I think the players and the picks are a wash. The Knicks got 2 rotation players melo and billups

      Denver got Felton Chandler gallo and mosgov, so you would say gallo is better then melo…fine, they play the same position so that is a wash, next Wilson Chandler was not going to be resigned and many people forget this part of the equation. Billups for Felton and mozzy was the only real loss

      As we no billiups was swapped for Tyson and we were blessed with Lin

      Draft picks are irrelevant if not top 5

      And finally melo told dolan he was going to the BK Nets if he didn’t trade for him so Dolan has to make a choice

      2FOR18: Speaking for myself, it’s not just a gallo/melo thing.

      I LOVED Lawson at NC and it still makes me ill that the Knicks, who needed a pg, didn’t draft him.And now I have to watch Lawson excel on a team with a few young ex-Knicks that I also like.AND the Knicks could have waited til the offseason to sign melo instead of giving up 4 rotation players AND a bunch of draft picks.

      Can’t you at least acknowledge how frustrating this all is to some, and not just mock us Capulets?

    60. Caleb

      2FOR18:
      @13. That’s amazing because I was thinking of Starks last game while watching JR.JR reminds me so much of a bigger Starks.

      I like him for the effort he puts in, but that last game put me over the edge.It drives me nuts that he doesn’t drive more when he’s ice cold.

      I think Starks is bigger than JR.

    61. Nick C.

      er: It’s not even about defending melo it’s putting iguadala on a pedistal….you might like iguadala more but melo and his teams have accomplished more than him every year

      I think that’s Caleb who thinks super highly of Iggy. I just posted about the end game and game him some props which apparently set you off on a one man take Iggy down a peg crusade.

    62. er

      Did u watch chandler this series or are you joking and yes melo is as good on o as Chandler is on D….you act like Chandler avgs 12 boards an 3 blocks. He surely doesn’t…but he’s damn good same with melo he doesnt shoot 50% but he’s damn good

      Owen:
      Why would you say chandler is below average offensively? That’s just nuts.

      And the idea that Melo is as good on offense as chandler, thedpoy, is on defense is just ludricrous

    63. Caleb

      2FOR18: Celtics in 5.I don’t see how Philly can score enough to make it a longer series.

      The Celtics looked sharp beating a pretty good Atlanta team. But worth pointing out, they had the 24th-ranked offense this year… Philly was 17th. (NY 19th). Two jump-shooting teams and good defenses. Not going to be a lot of points.

    64. er

      Haha I keep saying I like iggy I’m just saying that he’s being put on a pedestal and that I know Philly hates his contract. I have NO problem with him

      Nick C.: I think that’s Caleb who thinks super highly of Iggy.I just posted about the end game and game him some props which apparently set you off on a one man take Iggy down a peg crusade.

      Nick C.: I think that’s Caleb who thinks super highly of Iggy.I just posted about the end game and game him some props which apparently set you off on a one man take Iggy down a peg crusade.

    65. TelegraphedPass

      2FOR18: Wouldn’t you think he’d be more efficient if he took 3?s instead of those long 2s? I’m just asking. Do you know what his shooting % is from 19+ feet (not including 3?s)?

      He actually takes most of his threes from a similar zone. Just behind that long 2 hotspot is the right wing three, where Melo shoots 43.8%. That shot makes up 6.1% of his attempts. Fewer than the 9.4% that the long 2s make up, but there is an important note. He has an ice cold zone just behind and to the LEFT of his long 2 hotspot. On that top of the key 3, Melo is shooting 28.5%. He only attempts that shot 2.7% of his attempts, thankfully.

      If Melo stepped back on those long 2s, there is a chance he could veer towards that cold 3 spot. Maybe that’s part of the reason he doesn’t take more of his highest percentage threes. I’m not sure.

      Melo must be aware of his hotspots, because his shot selection lines up perfectly with his locational shots of high efficiency.

    66. Caleb

      Nick C.: I think that’s Caleb who thinks super highly of Iggy.I just posted about the end game and game him some props which apparently set you off on a one man take Iggy down a peg crusade.

      I do think super-highly of Iggy but I didn’t bring up any trades.

      He’s a) a fun guy to watch, and b) a versatile and great open-court player.

      Not only is he the best or one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, he literally ran the offense for Philly last year (and a lot of this year) because neither of their PGs could do it. Check out his assist #s. No, he is not a great scorer but he also doesn’t shoot that much. And fwiw, he’s not close to a max contract – only makes about 2/3 what Melo does.

      Not really fair to just look at team results – Philly’s supporting cast has been terrible and/or extremely young for pretty much his whole career.

    67. Bruno Almeida

      TelegraphedPass:
      If you hate long 2s, you would absolutely HATE Andre Iguodala. The highest percentage of field goal attempts from Iggy come from 16-21 feet, where he connects on a very sad 31%.

      By contrast, the majority of Melo’s FGA came at the rim this season, but he shot 38% on long 2s anyways.

      I still think Iggy could be a more useful player than Melo, but I can’t say it’s clear cut by any means.

      Josh Priemski said last night that we’ve overrated Melo for so long that he’s catching all the flak he missed from years past, but now we’ve gotten dangerously close to underrating him. I think some people are in that zone now.

      but isn’t ruruland the one who keeps harping about why players sometimes need to shoot a specific type of shot?

      Iguodala is pretty much the only guy available to take tough shots late in the shot clock… when the offensive set breaks down, the ball often goes to him to try and create something.

      if he had another good scoring option beside him (a healthy Amare, for example), he would be able to cut down heavily on those types of shots and would be even more efficient.

      the difference between Melo and Iguodala, for me, is visible when you realize Iggy has shot less each year since his “breakout” year, from 14.2 per 36 to 10.1, which shows how smart a basketball player he is, and has upped his assists and rebounds considerably.

      and we would be clearly the best defensive starting 5 in the league.

    68. 2FOR18

      TelegraphedPass: But… but… JORDAN HILL BRO!

      No, in al seriousness I get it. But many teams whiffed on Lawson. Of course his production said that he could be a really good player, but scouts get really caught up in things like size and wingspan and don’t put enough emphasis on actual production sometimes. Lawson is 5’11? and teams were afraid of that.

      That doesn’t excuse NY for also passing on Brandon Jennings (who still to this day resents NY for it), Jrue Holiday, Eric Maynor, Darren Collison, etc. At the time, Hill was projected to be a stronger Chris Bosh. Guess not, eh?

      I wasn’t even interested in the other PGs you listed. I was fixated on Lawson as a no brainer choice for an MDA team with no PG. If I was in the “war room” during that draft I would have physically assaulted anyone who even suggested not taking Lawson, then ran up to the podium and told Stern we were selecting the superfast, 3 point shooting PG from NC.

    69. Caleb

      TelegraphedPass: JR is one of the best perimeter shooters in recent NBA history, in terms of how he shoots the ball. Typically, he shoots the three at an insane rate in almost every situation: in transition, spot ups, off the dribble, off screens, as the PnR ball handler. Very few players have the ability to shoot well in all those situations and Earl is one of them.

      This season has been a disappointment, but I trust you haven’t seen his Denver days. His shot selection has always been a concern, but even counting this year (his worst shooting year since his rookie season) JR owns a career TS% of 54.4. To put that in context, he would trail only Tyson Chandler, Steve Novak, and Jeremy Lin in TS% among our rotation players this season.

      He’s torched teams before, dropping 45 points and 11 threes off the bench. He’s definitely a player who can heat up and score on anyone. Don’t let this season fool you: JR would be a great asset for this team moving forward.

      He’s got a career 3-point percentage of .369. That’s pretty good but it ain’t Reggie Miller. His last 3 years it was .338, .390 and .347. His best season was four years ago… his TS% starting at age 21 has been 58.5, 60.3, 57.6, 51.5, 55.0 and 50.8.

      When he was young he looked like he could be a fantastic scorer, but it hasn’t panned out. He probably WOULD be worth $5 million as a 6th man, but we don’t have that to offer, and someone else will. It will hurt a bit to lose him, but whoever plays that role for us won’t have a hard time playing better than Earl did THIS year.

    70. er

      Shooting less make you smart?

      Bruno Almeida: but isn’t ruruland the one who keeps harping about why players sometimes need to shoot a specific type of shot?

      Iguodala is pretty much the only guy available to take tough shots late in the shot clock… when the offensive set breaks down, the ball often goes to him to try and create something.

      if he had another good scoring option beside him (a healthy Amare, for example), he would be able to cut down heavily on those types of shots and would be even more efficient.

      the difference between Melo and Iguodala, for me, is visible when you realize Iggy has shot less each year since his “breakout” year, from 14.2 per 36 to 10.1, which shows how smart a basketball player he is, and has upped his assists and rebounds considerably.

      and we would be clearly the best defensive starting 5 in the league.

    71. TelegraphedPass

      2FOR18: I wasn’t even interested in the other PGs you listed. I was fixated on Lawson as a no brainer choice for an MDA team with no PG. If I was in the “war room” during that draft I would have physically assaulted anyone who even suggested not taking Lawson, then ran up to the podium and told Stern we were selecting the superfast, 3 point shooting PG from NC.

      Haha trust me. Me too. I loved Lawson. I remember at the time, the plan was to take Steph Curry if he fell to us but the front office thought Hill would be more productive than any of the PGs left on the board. Which was obviously foolish. Remember, NY was trying to replace both Nate Rob and David Lee, and they wanted a young talented core to prepare for the imminent coming of LeBron James. For some reason, they believed Hill was the answer. Idk. Hill was good in college so it looked better at the time but still I wanted Lawson or Holiday.

    72. TelegraphedPass

      Bruno Almeida: if he had another good scoring option beside him (a healthy Amare, for example), he would be able to cut down heavily on those types of shots and would be even more efficient.the difference between Melo and Iguodala, for me, is visible when you realize Iggy has shot less each year since his “breakout” year, from 14.2 per 36 to 10.1, which shows how smart a basketball player he is, and has upped his assists and rebounds considerably.

      Meh. I get what you’re saying re: Iggy being their best offensive option but there’s too much conjecture there for my sake. As Owen has said, players aren’t typically affected by their teammates as much as people think. So I’m not going to act like playing with STAT would make Iggy shoot better. Certainly didn’t help Melo.

      Iggy taking fewer shots is smart, because he’s a pretty weak option in most offensive situations. It’s good that he’s shooting less, but that doesn’t change anything in this debate for me.

      Melo shoots most in his best locations. I just felt like that was important to point out before we wrongfully accuse him of taking dumb shots.

    73. bobneptune

      er:
      No the focus is on flexibility what exactly does that do for you? How many teams in the NBA who have had flexibility have used that to become rapid contenders? I can think of only one….the Miami heat

      do you actually watch basketball?

      ever heard of shaq? how do you think the lakers got him, with voodoo? 3 rings, right?

      ever hear of chauncy billups? signed with detroit as a fa in 2002 for 6 yrs 35 million. does detroit dominate without their starting point guard?

      steve nash’s 6 yr 66 million signing with phx worked out pretty good for them with 2 western conferene titles.

      vlad divac’s 6 yr 62 M fa contract led the kings out of the lottery into perennial contention.

      tim hardaway? need more?

    74. TelegraphedPass

      Caleb: He’s got a career 3-point percentage of .369. That’s pretty good but it ain’t Reggie Miller. His last 3 years it was .338, .390 and .347. His best season was four years ago… his TS% starting at age 21 has been 58.5, 60.3, 57.6, 51.5, 55.0 and 50.8. When he was young he looked like he could be a fantastic scorer, but it hasn’t panned out. He probably WOULD be worth $5 million as a 6th man, but we don’t have that to offer, and someone else will. It will hurt a bit to lose him, but whoever plays that role for us won’t have a hard time playing better than Earl did THIS year.

      I don’t have access to JR’s old shooting splits by situation right now (I think ruru has some of those stats), but my point was more that he gives you sniping from many different situations. You can’t use Novak as the ball handler in a PnR and expect to consistently generate good looks from deep with him. JR can give you that.

      He won’t ever be James Harden, but I highly doubt we can find another guy capable of shooting as well as Earl usually does with our budget.

    75. hoolahoop

      cgreene:
      Hoolahoop is just basically the Peter Vescey of this blog.No knowledge of the situation just antagonistically taking the side of the anti-Knicks part of the situation.

      First of all, I’d be flattered to be compared to Peter Vescey. He’s been one of the most entertaining NBA writers for decades, and he had a pretty good jump shot. (I used to play afternoons with him).

      Regarding Nash. No, I have not spoken to him directly. But, use a little common sense. Nash has one of the highest basketball IQ’s in the NBA. His role, that one him two MVP’S,

    76. hoolahoop

      cgreene:
      Hoolahoop is just basically the Peter Vescey of this blog.No knowledge of the situation just antagonistically taking the side of the anti-Knicks part of the situation.

      First of all, I’d be flattered to be compared to Peter Vescey. He’s been one of the most entertaining NBA writers for decades, and he had a pretty good jump shot. (I used to play afternoons with him).

      Regarding Nash. No, I have not spoken to him directly. But, use a little common sense. Nash has one of the highest basketball IQ’s in the NBA. His role, that one him two MVP’S, is to distribute the ball. Here’s where common sense comes in. Do you think Nash wants a forward running over to him demanding the ball, only to hold it for several seconds, then force up a shot while being doubled ?
      Nash is not coming here.

      On the other hand, Nash can make everyone better. Amare and TC will thrive. Add more talent that you can get for Melo and the knicks can be better team, now and going forward.

    77. TelegraphedPass

      hoolahoop: First of all, I’d be flattered to be compared to Peter Vescey. He’s been one of the most entertaining NBA writers for decades

      This is telling.

    78. er

      I meant to say recently obviously signings have helped teams thanks

      bobneptune: do you actually watch basketball?

      ever heard of shaq? how do you think the lakers got him, with voodoo? 3rings, right?

      ever hear of chauncy billups? signed with detroit as a fa in 2002 for 6 yrs 35 million. does detroit dominate without their starting point guard?

      steve nash’s 6 yr 66 million signing with phx worked out pretty good for them with 2 western conferene titles.

      vlad divac’s 6 yr 62 M fa contract led the kings out of the lottery into perennial contention.

      tim hardaway? need more?

    79. er

      Currently there are like 5 or 6 teams who have had flexibility for a few years and haven’t gotten squat.

      I missed when the suns won western titles, and also you mention all teams that were pretty good before the got the players you are referring to. The Knicks were awful for yrs and 2 games over at the time of the trade so I don’t think it’s the same.

      bobneptune: do you actually watch basketball?

      ever heard of shaq? how do you think the lakers got him, with voodoo? 3rings, right?

      ever hear of chauncy billups? signed with detroit as a fa in 2002 for 6 yrs 35 million. does detroit dominate without their starting point guard?

      steve nash’s 6 yr 66 million signing with phx worked out pretty good for them with 2 western conferene titles.

      vlad divac’s 6 yr 62 M fa contract led the kings out of the lottery into perennial contention.

      tim hardaway? need more?

    80. jon abbey

      the most infuriating thing about JR Smith is how often he settles for a long jumper one step inside the 3 point line, maybe the worst shot in basketball. I’d still be happy if he opted in, though.

    81. er

      Yea I think he needs to do ALOT less ball handling tho

      jon abbey:
      the most infuriating thing about JR Smith is how often he settles for a long jumper one step inside the 3 point line, maybe the worst shot in basketball. I’d still be happy if he opted in, though.

    82. TelegraphedPass

      jon abbey: the most infuriating thing about JR Smith is how often he settles for a long jumper one step inside the 3 point line, maybe the worst shot in basketball. I’d still be happy if he opted in, though.

      Again, though. Important to note that JR makes those at a higher rate than true midrange shots. He’s been that way his whole career. I think he needs a coach to really support him. Consider him an important part of their offense and draw up plays for him. He’s often treated like a rabid dog: Just throw him in the game and let him loose. He needs a coach who he respects and who respects his considerable talent to give him a firm role in the offense.

    83. TelegraphedPass

      How did we get this far without mentioning that Birdman might be arrested for child porn pretty soon?

    84. cgreene

      TelegraphedPass: This is telling.

      Peter Vescey is a class A a-hole. I know him a little as well. When he was Knicks beat writer in the later 70′s early 80′s and then NBA reporter for the NY Post after that he was a great writer. Now… he’s a hack with a column. Worse than Berman because his sources dried up over a decade ago. He can get you insight on the latest with Larry Brown and Donnie Walsh his old NYC buddies. Anything else he’s useless.

      ps: not calling you an a-hole, Hoola. I was commenting on your commenting style… not to get too meta…

    85. yellowboy90

      TelegraphedPass: Again, though. Important to note that JR makes those at a higher rate than true midrange shots. He’s been that way his whole career. I think he needs a coach to really support him. Consider him an important part of their offense and draw up plays for him. He’s often treated like a rabid dog: Just throw him in the game and let him loose. He needs a coach who he respects and who respects his considerable talent to give him a firm role in the offense.

      A coach that tells him I want you to attack the basket and finish or dish before you shoot a jumper. I like JR and would like him back because I just think he is better than what he showed and he is still very young. Also just on defense alone he holds good value. What I would like to maybe try is someone try Smith in the post. Maybe he can’t but given his size strength and athleticism I think he might be able too.

    86. ephus

      cgreene: Peter Vescey is a class A a-hole.I know him a little as well.When he was Knicks beat writer in the later 70?s early 80?s and then NBA reporter for the NY Post after that he was a great writer.Now… he’s a hack with a column.Worse than Berman because his sources dried up over a decade ago.He can get you insight on the latest with Larry Brown and Donnie Walsh his old NYC buddies.Anything else he’s useless.

      In the 1980s, I used to literally run to the store to get the NY Post when Vescey’s columns ran. He was the first to give any semablance of the inside story on trade rumors/feuds. It is not an exaggeration to say that Vescey’s NY Post column was the godfather of NBA blogging.

      Having said that, Vescey clearly does not play well with others. Even when he is right (like his attacks on Isiah as NBC commentator), he is shrill and tough to take. Too often, Pete Vescey writes as if he is bigger than the story — with the actual story only serving to confirm Vescey’s brilliance and the stupidity of others.

      Vescey’s HOF speech is the best example of everything that is wrong with him. It is amazing that he managed to be the biggest a@@hole on the stage on the night that Jordan went ballistic on the world. Vescey burned a lot of credibility when he could have simply stood up, said thank you to the people he admires and sat down.

      The NY Post now treats Vescey’s column like department stores treat plus size women’s clothing. They do absolutely nothing to promote it, knowing that the people who really want to find it will. I don’t know when Vescey’s contract expires, but I doubt it will be renewed.

      I would not be surprised to see Vescey make a final run at Grantland. Simmons clearly admires the guy. His “irreverant” style would fit in well. Of course, it would end badly when Vescey eventually trashes Simmons/Bucher/Stein/Pruti…

    87. Z

      iserp:

      Lin will take the MLE or higher, and in case we want both Nash and Lin, Nash should be the one giving up money.

      Nash does live in NY, so it’s not completely out of the realm of possibility that a guy who’s made $100,000,000+ in his career would come and play at home on a team that can win, without much regard for maximizing his income.

      Bigger question is: does Nash think he can win a title with the Knicks? That could effect his decision making just as much as $$

    88. ephus

      If Nash came here and wanted to leave the smallest salary footprint, here is a possible roster if everyone else bought in:

      Nash (veteran’s minimum)
      Lin (MLE)
      Shumpert (Rookie scale)
      Fields (Early Bird rights)
      Melo (max)
      Stat (max)
      Chandler ($13 MM)
      JR Smith ($2.5 MM opt-in)
      Novak (Bi-annual Exception)
      Jeffries (Veteran’s minimum)
      Jorts (year 2 minimum)
      Bibby (veteran’s minimum)
      Jordan (year 2 rookie scale)

      That roster contends for a championship. Even if the Knicks declined to match a large offer sheet to Fields, I still love that roster.

    89. bobneptune

      er:
      I meant to say recently obviously signings have helped teams thanks

      your wish is my command.

      chicago was 41 and 41 the 2 years before carlos boozer’s arrival and 62 and 20 and 50 and 16 with him with virtually the same core.

      they won the eastern conference with a better record than vaunted miami’s big 3, 2 years running with the addition of boozer.

      i’d guess amar’e and felton and the loss of lee made the knicks from a 29 and 53 team (24 games under .500) to a 26 and 24 team (2 games over 500) prior to the melo trade.

      that recent enough, or do you require more?

    90. TelegraphedPass

      Z: Bigger question is: does Nash think he can win a title with the Knicks? That could effect his decision making just as much as $$

      Nobody knows exactly what he think’s of this team’s chances. But he’s more likely to win, and look good doing it, here than other places. OKC already has Westbrook. Miami could use his talents, but he wouldn’t be as valuable alongside LeBron and Wade who are both more than capable of running the point.

      Where else is there? Utah? Philly? LAL? Nash’s options are pretty limited and few places make as much sense as New York.

    91. TelegraphedPass

      bobneptune: your wish is my command.chicago was 41 and 41 the 2 years before Tom Thibodeau’s arrival and 62 and 20 and 50 and 16 with him with virtually the same core.

      Fixed.

      No but seriously, totally agree with you here. Obviously cap flexibility is a huge part of building a good team. Poor salary decisions are what mired the Knicks for the past decade.

    92. bobneptune

      ephus:
      If Nash came here and wanted to leave the smallest salary footprint, here is a possible roster if everyone else bought in:

      Nash (veteran’s minimum)
      Lin (MLE)
      Shumpert (Rookie scale)
      Fields (Early Bird rights)
      Melo (max)
      Stat (max)
      Chandler ($13 MM)
      JR Smith ($2.5 MM opt-in)
      Novak (Bi-annual Exception)
      Jeffries (Veteran’s minimum)
      Jorts (year 2 minimum)
      Bibby (veteran’s minimum)
      Jordan (year 2 rookie scale)

      That roster contends for a championship.Even if the Knicks declined to match a large offer sheet to Fields, I still love that roster.

      certainly nash added to any team for the vet minimum would greatly improve the team.

      i’m just curious why he would play for the knicks for the minimum rather than the heat (you know, a really good team whose best players have no problem sharing the ball and without a real pg), or chicago, or the thunder, or maybe the lakers. hell, i’m sure pop could find 24 minutes a game for him somewhere.

    93. bobneptune

      TelegraphedPass: Nobody knows exactly what he think’s of this team’s chances. But he’s more likely to win, and look good doing it, here than other places. OKC already has Westbrook. Miami could use his talents, but he wouldn’t be as valuable alongside LeBron and Wade who are both more than capable of running the point.

      Where else is there? Utah? Philly? LAL? Nash’s options are pretty limited and few places make as much sense as New York.

      look, if nash is interested in winning a title and doesn’t care about the money, he can only go to miami. they are the favorites (or at worst the co-favorites with okc today) and it is hard to argue he isn’t a massive upgrade at the pg position for miami.

      the stars on miami (unlike the knicks) believe in sharing the ball willingly lead by james’ unselfishness.

      how you like to be the point guard defending nash when lebron comes out at 6’8/250 to set the screen and you get the pleasure of either fighting through his massive fast body to stay with nash turning the corner, or having to stop him rolling to the rim. good luck defending that.

      of course, if nash really likes snowy ny winters rather than sunny 75 degree miami and longs for a Sisyphean task, then the knicks are the easy choice :-)

    94. ephus

      bobneptune: i’m just curious why he would play for the knicks for the minimum rather than the heat (you know, a really good team whose best players have no problem sharing the ball and without a real pg), or chicago, or the thunder, or maybe the lakers. hell, i’m sure pop could find 24 minutes a game for him somewhere.

      Cause he (1) owns an apartment in Soho, (2) wants to build a media company, (3) knows that whoever brings the Knicks a championship will be lionized by the important movers and shakers in town in a way that will not occur in LA (sated with recent championships), OKC (outside of oil & gas, no important movers and shakers), Miami (too small and wrong industries) or Chicago (not the media hub that NY and LA are).

      I am not saying he is going to come to NY, but you can sketch out reasons why he would be more interested in coming to NY than just about anywhere else. That said, I think Dallas (if it does not get Deron Williams) is the dark horse to bring back Nash. I am confident that Nash would love to get a championship alongside Dirk.

    95. er

      Ok let me rephrase what I was trying to say sometimes I’m not clear in my thoughts. I know flexibility is a good thing….ok cool got that out of the way :) Now the key is using it properly and that’s the hard part, alot of teams have had flexibility over the last few years and have made nothing positive happen with it.

      The amare Felton signings were when the Knicks had a huge amount of free money. Yes they could have signed melo in the offset but he wasn’t gonna do that and there is no guarantee that anyone else would have wanted to come.

      The original point I was trying to make with the nets is that they had the same flexibility the Knicks had and ended up with no one until they traded for dwill and Wallace…they are still trying to make more moves and hopefully get Dwight Howard.

      The Knicks now are in a much better situation, they need to figure out a point guard (probably Lin) and work on some better offense in training camp. Before all of the injuries the knicks were a scary team.

      Lin Davis
      Shump Landry
      Melo Landry jr
      Stat jefferies
      Chandler

      This team was destroying opponents when healthy, they were jus snake bitten by amare Lin and jefferies getting hurt and the playoff injuries.

      I understand you like your flexibility and all but my point is when you have a quality team in place you don’t really need that much of it

      bobneptune: your wish is my command.

      chicago was 41 and 41 the 2 years before carlos boozer’s arrival and 62 and 20 and 50 and 16 with him with virtually the same core.

      they won the eastern conference with a better record than vaunted miami’s big 3, 2 years running with the addition of boozer.

      i’d guess amar’e and felton and the loss of lee made the knicks from a 29 and 53 team (24 games under .500) to a 26 and 24 team (2 games over 500) prior to the melo trade.

      that recent enough, or do you require…

    96. er

      HahahA lemme guess the Knicks players don’t like sharing the ball…you’ve made your point sheesh

      bobneptune: look, if nash is interested in winning a title and doesn’t care about the money, he can only go to miami. they are the favorites (or at worst the co-favorites with okc today) and it is hard to argue he isn’t a massive upgrade at the pg position for miami.

      the stars on miami (unlike the knicks) believe in sharing the ball willingly lead by james’ unselfishness.

      how you like to be the point guard defending nash when lebron comes out at 6’8/250 to set the screen and you get the pleasure of either fighting through his massive fast body to stay with nash turning the corner, or having to stop him rolling to the rim. good luck defending that.

      of course, if nash really likes snowy ny winters rather than sunny 75 degree miami and longs for a Sisyphean task, then the knicks are the easy choice :-)

    97. Z

      ephus: Cause he (2) wants to build a media company, (3) knows that whoever brings the Knicks a championship will be lionized by the important movers and shakers in town in a way that will not occur in LA (sated with recent championships), OKC (outside of oil & gas, no important movers and shakers), Miami (too small and wrong industries) or Chicago (not the media hub that NY and LA are).

      I am not saying he is going to come to NY, but you can sketch out reasons why he would be more interested in coming to NY than just about anywhere else.That said, I think Dallas (if it does not get Deron Williams) is the dark horse to bring back Nash.I am confident that Nash would love to get a championship alongside Dirk.

      LeBron, unfortunately, also had all of those reasons (and he was going to get a max contract on top of it).

      I think the fact that he lives in NY in the off season is probably our best hope that he values playing in NY more than other cities. (That and the fact that he’s not a cheese ball– but that can work against us, as he may not be too excited to trade Sarver in for Dolan…)

      Can the Heat offer the full MLE to Nash? What about the Lakers? (I think those are the two teams that can outsell NY)

    98. TelegraphedPass

      Yeah, apparently some players like to be selfish and lose while others have halos above their head and win.

      We’re clearly referencing Durant’s massive assist totals here. That’s why OKC is so successful. He just passes SO WELL I can’t even take it.

      Why oh why did we ever sign a player who HATES WINNING and ONLY CARES ABOUT WATCHING TV AND EATING BEEF PATTIES when we could have DANILO GALLINARI’S INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP!

      Why did Melo become a basketball player in the first place? He should have been an accountant so he could benefit from ONLY CARING ABOUT HIS OWN NUMBERS! Then he could eat babies in the privacy of his own office.

      Hey guys, I don’t know if you heard but LeBron James is better than Carmelo Anthony (sorry, the Anti-Christ is more aproppriate at this point yeah?). LeBron is also significantly better than everyone else, but let’s keep comparing him to our forward. Cuz that makes so much sense.

    99. TelegraphedPass

      Z: LeBron, unfortunately, also had all of those reasons (and he was going to get a max contract on top of it). I think the fact that he lives in NY in the off season is probably our best hope that he values playing in NY more than other cities. (That and the fact that he’s not a cheese ball– but that can work against us, as he may not be too excited to trade Sarver in for Dolan…)Can the Heat offer the full MLE to Nash? What about the Lakers? (I think those are the two teams that can outsell NY)

      They both have their MLE, but honestly both have good reasons to consider not using it on Nash.

      Miami’s Mario Chalmers shot the 3 .002% worse than Steve Nash this season, and with LBJ and Wade being primary ball handlers they’ve got to wonder if adding Nash would be as productive for them. Is the PG their position of greatest need?

      LAL just traded for Ramon Sessions, who pushes the pace and scores well for them. They similarly have Kobe, who demands massive touches on offense. I could see them making a play for Nash, but how does he fit in the offense next to Kobe.

      Obviously Nash is an insane player, but both squads have more pressing needs than the point.

    100. er

      He probably kicks cats while walking down the street too

      TelegraphedPass:
      Yeah, apparently some players like to be selfish and lose while others have halos above their head and win.

      We’re clearly referencing Durant’s massive assist totals here. That’s why OKC is so successful. He just passes SO WELL I can’t even take it.

      Why oh why did we ever sign a player who HATES WINNING and ONLY CARES ABOUT WATCHING TV AND EATING BEEF PATTIES when we could have DANILO GALLINARI’S INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP!

      Why did Melo become a basketball player in the first place? He should have been an accountant so he could benefit from ONLY CARING ABOUT HIS OWN NUMBERS! Then he could eat babies in the privacy of his own office.

      Hey guys, I don’t know if you heard but LeBron James is better than Carmelo Anthony (sorry, the Anti-Christ is more aproppriate at this point yeah?). LeBron is also significantly better than everyone else, but let’s keep comparing him to our forward. Cuz that makes so much sense.

    101. ephus

      Z: Can the Heat offer the full MLE to Nash? What about the Lakers? (I think those are the two teams that can outsell NY)

      No, Miami and Lakers are both well over the tax level, so they would have only the mini-MLE to offer ($3 MM/yr).

      I may be (probably am) reading too much into Nash re-tweeting the message calling for him to come to NY. If he wants to come here, he might think it is enough of a discount for him to go to the MLE — and he would be giving up millions in salary. He also might just be stirring the pot. But there is a small possibility that Nash decides that he wants to come to NY while the Knicks hold on to Lin/Novak/Smith. If he gives up that much salary, he might be able to get Novak and Smith to buy in.

    102. Z

      TelegraphedPass: They both have their MLE, but honestly both have good reasons to consider not using it…LAL just traded for Ramon Sessions, who pushes the pace and scores well for them. They similarly have Kobe, who demands massive touches on offense…

      LA wanted Chris Paul and was willing to trade major pieces for him. Nothing against Sessions, but I think they settled for him when Stern quashed their chances at getting an All Star PG. they seem primed to make a huge move (blitzed for Paul, then blitzed for Howard). If Nashis up for it, I think LA would buy hard.

      ephus: No, Miami and Lakers are both well over the tax level, so they would have only the mini-MLE to offer ($3 MM/yr).

      LA can amnesty Artest (or Gasol), or clear space through marginal trade movement, though, can’t they?

    103. er

      For those who were talking about that branford Doolittle article he is on the mike lupica podcast today….(I know mike is kinda annoying)

    104. ruruland

      TelegraphedPass:
      Yeah, apparently some players like to be selfish and lose while others have halos above their head and win.

      We’re clearly referencing Durant’s massive assist totals here. That’s why OKC is so successful. He just passes SO WELL I can’t even take it.

      Why oh why did we ever sign a player who HATES WINNING and ONLY CARES ABOUT WATCHING TV AND EATING BEEF PATTIES when we could have DANILO GALLINARI’S INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP!

      Why did Melo become a basketball player in the first place? He should have been an accountant so he could benefit from ONLY CARING ABOUT HIS OWN NUMBERS! Then he could eat babies in the privacy of his own office.

      Hey guys, I don’t know if you heard but LeBron James is better than Carmelo Anthony (sorry, the Anti-Christ is more aproppriate at this point yeah?). LeBron is also significantly better than everyone else, but let’s keep comparing him to our forward. Cuz that makes so much sense.

      lmao

    105. ephus

      Z: LA can amnesty Artest (or Gasol), or clear space through marginal trade movement, though, can’t they?

      It would be very close whether amnesty of Artest would be enough to get the Lakers below the tax line, once you factor in the cap holds for 13 roster spots, but it would not be enough to allow the Lakers to use the full MLE rather than the mini-MLE. Amnesty of Gasol clearly would be enough to use the full MLE.

    106. Doug

      TelegraphedPass:
      Yeah, apparently some players like to be selfish and lose while others have halos above their head and win.

      We’re clearly referencing Durant’s massive assist totals here. That’s why OKC is so successful. He just passes SO WELL I can’t even take it.

      Why oh why did we ever sign a player who HATES WINNING and ONLY CARES ABOUT WATCHING TV AND EATING BEEF PATTIES when we could have DANILO GALLINARI’S INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP!

      Why did Melo become a basketball player in the first place? He should have been an accountant so he could benefit from ONLY CARING ABOUT HIS OWN NUMBERS! Then he could eat babies in the privacy of his own office.

      Hey guys, I don’t know if you heard but LeBron James is better than Carmelo Anthony (sorry, the Anti-Christ is more aproppriate at this point yeah?). LeBron is also significantly better than everyone else, but let’s keep comparing him to our forward. Cuz that makes so much sense.

      +1

    107. bobneptune

      TelegraphedPass: They both have their MLE, but honestly both have good reasons to consider not using it on Nash.

      Miami’s Mario Chalmers shot the 3 .002% worse than Steve Nash this season, and with LBJ and Wade being primary ball handlers they’ve got to wonder if adding Nash would be as productive for them. Is the PG their position of greatest need?

      is this post a level? nash isn’t a huge upgrade over chalmers?

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=chalmma01&y1=2012&p2=nashst01&y2=2012

      what do you think nash’s stats will look like with the defense having to concentrate on lebron, wade and bosh rather than gortat frey and jared dudley. nash will get so many open 3′s he’ll need tommy john surgery from overuse.

      is there an mle center available that would be a better fit than nash as a pg?

    108. yellowboy90

      ephus: It would be very close whether amnesty of Artest would be enough to get the Lakers below the tax line, once you factor in the cap holds for 13 roster spots, but it would not be enough to allow the Lakers to use the full MLE rather than the mini-MLE.Amnesty of Gasol clearly would be enough to use the full MLE.

      More likely amnesty of Artest and a Gasol trade. Maybe three team or just do the Houston trade straight up.

      Anyone know or can put together a list of potential Amnesty(players) for this off season.

    109. Z

      yellowboy90:

      Anyone know or can put together a list of potential Amnesty(players) for this off season.

      It’s hard to say because no one knows what kind of space teams will need to clear to take care of their off season business (who really foresaw the Knicks picking up Billups’ option only to amnesty him before the season began?)

      The one person who seems destined to be amnestied is Brendan Haywood of the Mavs (if the Mavs are looking to retool, which presumably they are).

      Other notable possibilities, I suppose, are: Artest, Zach Randolph (if injury sets him back again), or Boozer (if something better comes along a la Billups).

      Someday the contracts of Rudy Gay, Ben Gordon, Thadeus Young, Ty Thomas, Devin Harris, Drew Gooden, Gortat or Frye, Okafor or Ariza, Linas Kleiza, Salmons or Thornton, and Joe Johnson could be amnestied, but probably not this summer.

      Seems like the Wizards are going to run out the clock on Rashard Lewis, so I suppose Andre Blatche will be amnestied whenever the time is right for it, too.

    110. Bulleya1

      After reading about Woodson’s desire for Amare to develop a more back to the basket game.. who here thinks the knicks should try to bring Hakeem in for a short clinic the way he did a few summers back with Dwight Howard. Maybe even bringing Ewing in for a summer might help…

    111. TelegraphedPass

      bobneptune: is this post a level? nash isn’t a huge upgrade over chalmers?

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=chalmma01&y1=2012&p2=nashst01&y2=2012

      what do you think nash’s stats will look like with the defense having to concentrate on lebron, wade and bosh rather than gortat frey and jared dudley. nash will get so many open 3?s he’ll need tommy john surgery from overuse.

      is there an mle center available that would be a better fit than nash as a pg?

      Don’t reach. I never said Nash wasn’t significantly better than Nash. I merely wondered how he’d fit the offense.

      Again, Nash shot two thousandths of a percentage point better than Mario Chalmers from three. Any PGs biggest utility in the offense will be perimeter shooting, as LeBron is the de facto point guard and initiates the offense for Miami. Unless you think Nash will wrest all control of the offense away from LeBron and Wade then his stats would likely fall all around, except perhaps his shooting numbers.

      You think it’s worth their MLE for the chance that less defensive focus gives him “so many open 3?s he’ll need tommy john surgery from overuse?”

      Even if there isn’t a center available for the MLE, there is nothing better they can do with $5m worth of exception room? Ok.

    112. hoolahoop

      ephus: In the 1980s, I used to literally run to the store to get the NY Post when Vescey’s columns ran. He was the first to give any semablance of the inside story on trade rumors/feuds. It is not an exaggeration to say that Vescey’s NY Post column was the godfather of NBA blogging.

      I agree with you that he used to be the king of NBA sportswriters.
      I know his sources are not what they used to be, and the fact that he pisses people off doesn’t bother me. It’s a rare sports journalist that’s not afraid to tell it like it is.
      It doesn’t surprise me that a lot of you guys don’t like him. A lot of you guys don’t know much about basketball, but think you do.
      His column nowadays is more about being sarcastically clever, but he’s also a very knowledgeable NBA insider. I played a lot of ball with him and he was always cool with me. He knows a hundred times more about basketball and the NBA than the Telegraph and you . . . which isn’t saying much. Nothing personal to you cgreeene, just commenting on your basketball knowledge.

    113. yellowboy90

      Z: It’s hard to say because no one knows what kind of space teams will need to clear to take care of their off season business (who really foresaw the Knicks picking up Billups’ option only to amnesty him before the season began?)

      The one person who seems destined to be amnestied is Brendan Haywood of the Mavs (if the Mavs are looking to retool, which presumably they are).

      Other notable possibilities, I suppose, are: Artest, Zach Randolph (if injury sets him back again), or Boozer (if something better comes along a la Billups).

      Someday the contracts of Rudy Gay, Ben Gordon, Thadeus Young, Ty Thomas, Devin Harris, Drew Gooden, Gortat or Frye, Okafor or Ariza, Linas Kleiza, Salmons or Thornton, and Joe Johnson could be amnestied, but probably not this summer.

      Seems like the Wizards are going to run out the clock on Rashard Lewis, so I suppose Andre Blatche will be amnestied whenever the time is right for it, too.

      I thought this off season was the last chance to use the Amnesty rule. Maybe I read wrong but if so I think the Knicks will do better in FA than people think.

    114. Doug

      hoolahoop: His column nowadays is more about being sarcastically clever, but he’s also a very knowledgeable NBA insider. I played a lot of ball with him and he was always cool with me. He knows a hundred times more about basketball and the NBA than the Telegraph and you . . . which isn’t saying much. Nothing personal to you cgreeene, just commenting on your basketball knowledge.

      Old sportswriters that rest on their laurels and their “reputations” for their reporting and analysis instead of well-sourced factual information should be put out to pasture. No one misses Murray Chass.

      Leave the analysis to TV. Either give me solid reporting or give me well-written longform pieces. No one needs the self-righteous, unsubstantiated opinions and artificial, lazily constructed narratives that currently masquerades as “analysis” from aging newspapermen. Most have never played the game or crunched their share of numbers. If they’re not putting in the hard work that quality journalism requires, then they’re nothing but fans with access. I have little interest in their personal opinions anyway.

    115. TelegraphedPass

      hoolahoop: He knows a hundred times more about basketball and the NBA than the Telegraph and you . . . which isn’t saying much. Nothing personal to you cgreeene, just commenting on your basketball knowledge.

      Seeing as you also cite noted basketball analysts Jon Barry and Magic Johnson among the sources who agree with many of your points, I’m pretty sure there’s no offense taken here.

    116. Z

      yellowboy90: I thought this off season was the last chance to use the Amnesty rule. Maybe I read wrong but if so I think the Knicks will do better in FA than people think.

      It can be used at any time during the next 10 years (but it can only be used on team’s Pre-existing contracts)

    117. jon abbey

      hoolahoop: I agree with you that he used to be the king of NBA sportswriters.
      I know his sources are not what they used to be, and the fact that he pisses people off doesn’t bother me. It’s a rare sports journalist that’s not afraid to tell it like it is.It doesn’t surprise me that a lot of you guys don’t like him. A lot of you guys don’t know much about basketball, but think you do.
      His column nowadays is more about being sarcastically clever, but he’s also a very knowledgeable NBA insider. I played a lot of ball with him and he was always cool with me. He knows a hundred times more about basketball and the NBA than the Telegraph and you . . . which isn’t saying much. Nothing personal to you cgreeene, just commenting on your basketball knowledge.

      I love the guy, i grew up with him (reading him), but he’s pretty consistently terrible now, and I wish that wasn’t true, but it is.

    118. hoolahoop

      TelegraphedPass: Seeing as you also cite noted basketball analysts Jon Barry and Magic Johnson among the sources who agree with many of your points, I’m pretty sure there’s no offense taken here.

      You know more than Jon Barry? He’s a second generation pro, son of a hall of famer. Have you ever heard him speak? Telepgrpah, you’re a moron. And, I never mentioned Magic Johnson. But, it’s hilarious that you think you know more about basketball than Magic Johnson. That’s almost as ignorant as your comments about the knicks and melo.

      This is why I usually just ignore your posts when you criticize me.

    119. hoolahoop

      jon abbey: I love the guy, i grew up with him (reading him), but he’s pretty consistently terrible now, and I wish that wasn’t true, but it is.

      Fair enough. Maybe i hang on to what he used to be. But, I still like reading his column and he’s not afraid to call people out – namely the knicks.
      I agree with his condemnation of Melo, especially being a star seeker rather than a champion. As long as he gets his thirty, he’s happy with himself. A lot of guys on this forum are going to hate Vescey for saying things like that.

    120. Doug

      hoolahoop: Have you ever heard him speak?</blockquote
      Plenty of us have heard him speak, and we've heard enough of him. Just because Barry is a decorated NBA veteran doesn't mean that we can't tell he bullshits his way through his TV appearances. He does nothing but spout off his personal opinions with little or no actual basketball analysis or original insight.

      I don't believe in giving former players a free pass when evaluating their performance as TV commentators or analysts. Sports and sports broadcasting are different fields. You want an example of a former player that is an excellent at his TV job? Look at Chris Webber.

      Jon Barry may have forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know. But he doesn't work hard at his job. Instead of researching statistics or doing film analysis in order to better prepare for his TV appearances, he offers nothing but self-important opinions and armchair psychology. Jon Barry is bad at his job because he is lazy and doesn’t care about being a good basketball commentator.

      How is his brother Brent perfectly decent on TV while Jon is just another birdbrained ESPN talking head? It’s a headscratcher.

    121. hoolahoop

      Doug:

      That’s what commentator’s do Give opinions. You can agree or disagree.
      I didn’t know you had inside information on how hard these guys work, but it’s meaningless anyway. They are right or they are wrong. Players that work harder are not always better than players that don’t’. Same with students. Same with posters.
      I’m not here to defend Jon Barry, but a lot of his opinions are spot on. On the other hand, your opinions are generally, nonsensical. I can tell you’re not an athlete. Of course, ruru will like what you say. . . because it backs up what he gets paid to do. You’re part of the fanboy club

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