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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Mar 15 2013)

  • [New York Post] Melo gets knee drained, will rejoin Knicks today (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 03:03:43 -0500)
    PORTLAND, Ore. â?? Carmelo Anthony had fluid in his right knee drained Wednesday in New York and will rejoin the Knicks today in Los Angeles.
    While the Knicks listed him as questionable for Sunday’s game against the Clippers, coach Mike Woodson sounded as if it was unlikely Anthony would be…

  • [New York Post] No matter what he does, Melo just can’t win (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:42:29 -0500)
    PORTLAND â?? He can’t win.
    That’s the best defense I’m going to muster for Carmelo Anthony, and even by saying that I understand what it implies out of context: that he can’t win. That he can’t get his teams out of the first round of the…

  • [New York Daily News] Melo plans to rejoin Knicks after knee drain, may play Sunday (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:27:05 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony will rejoin the Knicks in Los Angeles on Friday after having fluid drained from his aching right knee Wednesday in New York.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Injuries proving to be Knicks’ worst nightmare (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:13:52 GMT)
    The answer, of course, is no, nothing else can go wrong with the Knicks. It’s just not possible.

  • [New York Daily News] Star stuck: Without Melo and Tyson, Knicks routed in Portland (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 05:22:55 GMT)
    With Carmelo Anthony, Tyson Chandler and Amar’e Stoudemire all sidelined with knee injuries, the Knicks were defeated, 105-90, by the Portland Trail Blazers Thursday night as their losing streak reached three games. Dynamic rookie Damian Lillard had 26 points and 10 assists, LaMarcus Aldridge scored 22 and Nicolas Batum added 18 as Portland’s starters outscored the Knicks’ starting five 90-44.

  • [New York Times] When, and Where, Might the Streaking Heat Fall? (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 08:03:08 GMT)
    Winners of 20 games in a row, the Miami Heat could be headed toward history.

  • [New York Times] Trail Blazers 105, Knicks 90: Trail Blazers Send Knicks to Third Straight Loss (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:57:10 GMT)
    Without the injured Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler, the Knicks were blown out again on their Western road trip.

  • [New York Times] Lillard Leads Blazers’ 105-90 Rout of Knicks (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 05:41:54 GMT)
    Damian Lillard had 26 points and 10 assists to lead the Trail Blazers to a 105-90 victory over the Knicks on Thursday night, outplaying New York guard Raymond Felton in his return to Portland.

  • [New York Times] Duncan, Spurs Hold Off Mavericks 92-91 (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 04:29:33 GMT)
    Sweeping the Dallas Mavericks in the regular season for the first time in 15 years could have been a cause for celebration. Instead, it just raised more concerns for the San Antonio Spurs.

  • [New York Times] Highlights of Thursday’s National Basketball Association Games (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 03:29:25 GMT)
    Spurs 92, Mavericks 91

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Section 15: Roll Tide! (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:59:39 GMT)
    A couple of Crimson Tide fans from Mississippi were most impressed with the dining options at Barclays Center.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Denver in Overdrive (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:54:58 GMT)
    The Denver Nuggets are really fast. How far will that take them?

  • [New York Times] Carmelo Anthony’s Knee Has No Structural Damage (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:44:40 GMT)
    As the Knicks prepared to face the Trail Blazers in Portland, Carmelo Anthony was back in New York on Thursday, having fluid drained from his back of his right knee.

  • [New York Times] Keeping Score: Winning Is Just Another Constant for the Spurs â?” Keeping Score (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:30:45 GMT)
    Tim Duncan’s statistics per 36 minutes underscore his remarkable consistency, and win shares highlight Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili’s value to the Spurs.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Says Kobe Bryant Was Fouled on Play That Caused Injury (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 01:18:09 GMT)
    The Lakers’ star Kobe Bryant was injured by the Hawks’ Dahntay Jones on Wednesday and he spent Thursday getting treatment on what he called the worst sprained ankle of his career.

  • [New York Times] Jack Curran, a Mentor in Two Sports, Dies at 82 (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:24:03 GMT)
    Mr. Curran coached generations of baseball and basketball players for 55 years at Archbishop Molloy High School in Queens, N.Y., winning more than 2,600 games.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Rapid Reaction: Blazers 105, Knicks 90 (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 01:32:41 EDT)

    WHAT IT MEANS: The Knicks’ nightmare road trip just keeps getting worse.
    New York lost its third straight game on Thursday night, 105-90 to Portland.
    The Knicks have lost their first three games on a season-long five-game road trip.
    They lost the first two by 29 and 23, respectively.
    Playing without Carmelo Anthony (right knee) and Tyson Chandler (left knee) on Thursday, the Knicks went up 13 in the first half but couldn’t maintain the lead.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Halftime Report: Blazers 51, Knicks 48 (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:01:04 EDT)
    Oh, the irony.
    With their top two players out with injury, the Knicks have hung tough against the Blazers through two quarters.
    Here are a couple observations from the first half:
    RENEWED ENERGY: The Knicks look nothing like the team that lost its last two games by a combined 52 points, thanks to improved ball movement and shot selection (and Portland’s poor defense).
    With Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler out with knee injuries, the Knicks relied on a balanced attack to keep pace with Portland in the first half.

  • [New York Newsday] Undermanned Knicks lose to Trail Blazers, 105-90 (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:25:00 EDT)
    On Mike Woodson's one-year anniversary as Knicks coach, he was forced to use lineups and rotations he probably never envisioned playing. The result was what most envisioned, though.

  • [New York Newsday] Carmelo Anthony has knee drained and is questionable for game Sunday (Fri, 15 Mar 2013 01:20:32 EDT)
    Carmelo Anthony had the fluid drained from the back of his right knee today in New York. He will rejoin the Knicks in Los Angeles and is questionable for Sunday's game against the Clippers.

  • 33 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Mar 15 2013)

    1. thenamestsam

      Last night definitely reflected poorly on Mr. Tyson Chandler if you ask me. When Portland tightened up the Pick and Roll D and all our jumpers stopped dropping, Melo’s absence was glaringly obvious. I don’t always love how the offense looks with him on the floor but it was painfully obvious that the offense was lacking a leading man when things started to go down hill. There was a lot of slinging the ball around the perimeter with guys looking at each other like “I don’t know what you expect ME to do”.

      Tyson’s absence, on the other hand, was barely even noticeable. And it’s not like his backups are exactly studs. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is still hugely important to this team because he raises our ceiling tremendously. We’ve all seen the impact he can have, especially on the defensive end, when he’s fully engaged, and it’s the potential for him to play that way that might give us the chance to beat a good team in a 7 game series. K-Mart and co. aren’t capable of taking it to that next level. But in terms of what we’re getting on a game to game basis Tyson has been pretty damn weak this year and for me, last night really reenforced that. We looked no better and no worse than we have all year and that really says something. Last year they absolutely fell apart when Tyson missed a game.

    2. PC

      thenamestsam: Last night definitely reflected poorly on Mr. Tyson Chandler if you ask me. When Portland tightened up the Pick and Roll D and all our jumpers stopped dropping, Melo’s absence was glaringly obvious. I don’t always love how the offense looks with him on the floor but it was painfully obvious that the offense was lacking a leading man when things started to go down hill. There was a lot of slinging the ball around the perimeter with guys looking at each other like “I don’t know what you expect ME to do”. Tyson’s absence, on the other hand, was barely even noticeable. And it’s not like his backups are exactly studs. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is still hugely important to this team because he raises our ceiling tremendously. We’ve all seen the impact he can have, especially on the defensive end, when he’s fully engaged, and it’s the potential for him to play that way that might give us the chance to beat a good team in a 7 game series. K-Mart and co. aren’t capable of taking it to that next level. But in terms of what we’re getting on a game to game basis Tyson has been pretty damn weak this year and for me, last night really reenforced that. We looked no better and no worse than we have all year and that really says something. Last year they absolutely fell apart when Tyson missed a game.

      What?

    3. Owen

      “Last night definitely reflected poorly on Mr. Tyson Chandler if you ask me.”

      Not sure why you say that. They did board effectively enough without Tyson. Only nine offensive rebounds. But then again, the Blazers posted a 117 offensive rating, which is 10 points above their season average, with a ts% over 60%.

      And i know Kurt, Kenyon, and Camby have (really ugly) jumpshots, but none of those guys are in Chandler’s league as an offensive player.

    4. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, the defense was terrible last night. I am not even saying that that proves anything either way about Chandler, but the defense was awful last night. So that was an odd point to make.

    5. yellowboy90

      I do not really think last night reflects poorly on Tyson Chandler but it does just continue to show the problems when you have pgs on unable to finish at the rim consistently and shoot the mid- range jumper. We have seen all year that teams can take away Chandler when they want to by giving the pg the jumper.

      My main issue with Tyson is his inability to take advantage of his post up opportunities when the ball swings to the weak side and he is in great position to seal his man 3-5 ft away from the basket. Most time he does nothing or gives the token hand up but most time he goes to set an awkward screen in the corner with JR, Kidd, or Shump which turns into a bad shot. It is what it is.

      I am more concerned though with the Meerkat defense Tyson displays.

    6. thenamestsam

      Owen:
      “Last night definitely reflected poorly on Mr. Tyson Chandler if you ask me.”

      Not sure why you say that. They did board effectively enough without Tyson. Only nine offensive rebounds. But then again, the Blazers posted a 117 offensive rating, which is 10 points above their season average, with a ts% over 60%.

      And i know Kurt, Kenyon, and Camby have (really ugly) jumpshots, but none of those guys are in Chandler’s league as an offensive player.

      Just a feeling. I certainly don’t expect everyone to agree with me but I never had that moment where I went “Man, we really miss Tyson Chandler right now”. Last year when he was off the court that was an ever present feeling for me. Yeah, the Blazers shot well, but it didn’t feel to me like it had to do with Tyson being there or not being there. Certainly there have been plenty of games that bad where he has played.

      Looking back at preseason comments we all basically took it for granted that the Knicks would have a top 5 defense anchored by the best defensive center in the league. Instead we have the 18th ranked D in the league and leaving aside differing opinions of his offense, I’m not totally sure that on a night to night basis Tyson is any better than the 9th or 10th best defensive center in the game right now (since I’m sure that will outrage people: Gasol, Noah, Asik, Garnett, Duncan, Hibbert, Sanders, Ibaka). He’s not even comparable to the truly elite guys this year to my eyes.

    7. Owen

      Chandler is a lot better offensively than Asik, Sanders, and Hibbert. Duncan is a top 10 player of all time. Gasol is, I admit, a pretty damn good two way player. Ibaka is also pretty great, although reviews of his defense often seem to suggest that he is not quite as good as his block numbers would suggest. He also has Perkins and Collison as backups. But I think he is a great young power forward with a surprisingly smooth offensive game. Brook Lopez and Dwight Howard belong on the list too, although Dwight has obviously struggled with injuries this year. Brook has had a pretty huge comeback year, even if defense isn’t his calling card.

      So yeah, maybe Chandler isn’t the best pure defender, but he probably slots right behind Gasol as the best center in the NBA right now, and behind 3 or 4 others as the best 4-5 player in the NBA, depending on where you put Duncan etc. Somewhere in the top 10.

      What more do you expect from the guy? He is fantastic value on his contract, has been extremely durable, and we can’t defend without him..

      I don’t know, the conventional thinking is that the league is going small and big men don’t matter. Which is easy to say, but the truth is it’s basically impossible to be a good team in the NBA without someone in the frontcourt who can defend and convert shots around the rim.

    8. jon abbey

      Owen:
      the truth is it’s basically impossible to be a good team in the NBA without someone in the frontcourt who can defend and convert shots around the rim.

      well, except for the reigning NBA champs.

      Chandler at his best is awesome on D and helpful although wildly overrated on O. Chandler at his best hasn’t shown up very much this year.

    9. ptmilo

      Setting aside the most recent Carmelo/Chandler injuries, here is how I think about the story of the Knicks’ season so far:

      (1) The entered the year in a bad position long-term. They had team good enough to be a first round favorite and 2nd competitive but probably needing a miracle to beat any of the top few teams in the league in a 7-game series. More important, they had very few chances to improve in the medium term and a lot of chances to get worse. That, and not the expected case, was the crime of the Lin decision. Optionality forfeited by a team with few options.

      (2) They started off shooting unsustainably well from deep. Especially Kidd and Carmelo.

      (3) Stoudemire’s first injury was a big disappointment, but his offensive play upon return was pretty much a best-case improvement, particularly relative to last year. I happen to think his much-maligned defense is even worse than commonly believed, but his offensive production this year was really something. This is exactly the kind of thing they needed to move from need-a-miracle to need-some-luck to contend in a team designed to win today. Or yesterday, really. But…

      (4) Felton, JR Smith, and Shumpert have been marginal disappointments. All have played slightly worse than expected. Camby, on the other hand, has been a huge disappointment. I thought this was a great sign for them at the time but it has been a zero so far. Kidd on balance I think is exactly what you should have expected. Chandler has been fantastic offensively. He has been worse defensively, but I also think his 2011-12 and his expectation was nowhere near DPOY quality in the first place.

      (5) Unfortunately, the sad Amare situation and Shumpert’s anemic return means that, if anything, the franchise is in worse shape than it began the year. What odds would you give the Knicks right now to be a contender in 2014-2015? Seems very low.

    10. DRed

      jon abbey: well, except for the reigning NBA champs.

      Chandler at his best is awesome on D and helpful although wildly overrated on O. Chandler at his best hasn’t shown up very much this year.

      Well, the champs have Lebron. He might not have the game of a traditional dominant post player, but he’s awesome in the post and no slouch when it comes to converting at the rim.

    11. Owen

      Yeah, and they have Bosh. And a halfway serviceable platoon of Haslem, Anthony, and Anderson. And they have Wade, who is a pretty excellent defender.

      The Jordan Bulls did it too obviously. That’s the classic case.

      I guess I should have added the caveat that if you have two of the best defenders in the league at the sg and sf positions, you can get away without having a great defensive big man.

      But otherwise it’s pretty tough.

      I am extremely happy with Chandler. His signing made a big difference to this team. It’s understandable that he has taken the blame for our defensive inadequacies this year. But the truth is, they have had no one else in the rotation who is good on defense at all this year. Shump hasn’t done what he did last year. Felton and Kidd are probably the worst defensive backcourt of any playoff team. Last year we had a lot of young bodies out there and guys with some defensive talent. This year, other than brief cameos by Sheed, Camby and now Martin, there has basically been no defensive player on the roster other than Chandler.

      Sort of makes you yearn for Jared Jeffries, something I never thought I would say…..

    12. Thomas B.

      http://knickerblogger.net/pacers-125-knicks-91/#comment-420829

      I don’t know ruruland, it isn’t looking good for the Knicks doing much better than 45. If they win every gimmie left on the schedule –Orlando, Toronto(twice), Cleveland, Washington, and Charlotte(twice), they get 45. At this rate, I’m not sure there are any gimmies left on the schedule. This team can lose to anyone. Anyone. .500 over the final 19 gets you to 47. You think they can even do .500 with 13 games against teams in or in contention for the playoffs?
      Best thing they can do is rest Melo and Chandler for the next week. They have to win the divisional games left on the schedule, that means they have to beat Toronto twice and Boston twice. With that, and a solid showing against the rest of the schedule, maybe they hold on to the division. Maybe.

    13. Thomas B.

      45 is probably too low, but shit look at the way they are playing. I wouldn’t like it but it is on the table.

      I’d like the East to finish
      Heat
      Pacers
      Knicks
      Bulls
      Nets
      Hawks
      Boston
      Bucks
      Probably won’t happen though.
      We could beat the Hawks in the first round. I don’t know about Boston or the Nets particularly with the way Chandler has been playing defense inside this year.

    14. thenamestsam

      jon abbey:
      something around 47-35, I think, which would mean a 29-30 close after the 18-5 start.

      That’s about what I see too. Things would have to get even worse for them to come up short of 45. I mean this is the Knicks so I’m not ruling it out, but I think we’re pretty much at the low point now. This is the hardest run in the schedule, and obviously comes at a horrible time health wise. Looking at the remaining schedule, it’s tough, but there’s enough winnable games there to get to clear of 45 even if Melo and Tyson are less than 100%.

      Unfortunately, after the way things started this year I agree that 47 or 48 is a pretty damn frustrating number. Some fools (I can neither confirm nor deny that I was one) were dreaming of 62 or 63 when we were 18-5.

    15. Thomas B.

      I never saw this as a team that could win more than 55, even after the blazing start. I hoped for 50, but i see no reason to think 50 is still on the table.

      the offense is just awful. They got nothing going in the paint. People don’t cut. They rely on jumpshots, they don’t break or get to the line much. And the defense has been terrible.

      The play from the point has been really bad too. Felton looks confused. Kidd looks exhausted. Pablo looks happy to just be here. Turnovers and good ball movement, which was pacing the hot start, are all but gone from the team.

      I’m sure they will scrape out 47-48 wins in the end, but I have little faith they can get anything going for an ECF run, which was really the best we could have hoped for at any point in this season anyway.

      So, who should we draft in order to trade that pick for Marvin Williams, or perhaps Elton Brand?

    16. Count de Pennies

      Thomas B.: So, who should we draft in order to trade that pick for Marvin Williams, or perhaps Elton Brand?

      Good to see Thomas return fully to form.

      The 18-5 start clearly knocked him off his game. He more or less admitted as much at the time when he kvetched that all that winning was boring.

      A few weeks of crappy Knicks basketball has put my man right as rain once again.

      Hell, why not come right out and say that it’s been a godsend for most of us here? We’re Knick fans; uncomfortable with too much success. As Thomas sagely noted back in November, we’re not truly happy unless we can bitch about the coaching, the ridiculous front office decisions, and, of course, Guitar Jimmy.

      We may not get much in the way of quality hoops but when it comes to gallows humor, we’re second to no other NBA fanbase.

      Fuck winning and all the hackneyed, sports fan triumphalism that goes along with it. We’re back where we belong.

      Welcome home, everybody.

    17. Owen

      I will be truly happy when we see Walt Frazier’s like again in MSG.

      But yeah, we like to complain. And true, we haven’t had a run of bad luck like the Blazers. But it’s been pretty bad.

      Although honestly, I will set banking your future on Eddy Curry against any misfortune another franchise has suffered…..

    18. Thomas B.

      Count de Pennies:

      Good to see Thomas return fully to form.

      The 18-5 start clearly knocked him off his game. He more or less admitted as much at the time when he kvetched that all that winning was boring.

      A few weeks of crappy Knicks basketball has put my man right as rain once again.

      Hell, why not come right out and say that it’s been a godsend for most of us here? We’re Knick fans; uncomfortable with too much success. As Thomas sagely noted back in November, we’re not truly happy unless we can bitch about the coaching, the ridiculous front office decisions, and, of course, Guitar Jimmy.

      We may not get much in the way of quality hoops but when it comes to gallows humor, we’re second to no other NBA fanbase.

      Fuck winning and all the hackneyed, sports fan triumphalism that goes along with it. We’re back where we belong.

      Welcome home, everybody.

      There is no drama is winning by 25 points. No ha ha either. I’ve grown rather fond of being able to carp about the team. That 18-5 start was awful for me.

    19. Unreason

      ‘ “I was [worried], but I spoke to him after he got his knee drained and he felt pretty good about it, so I feel good,’’ Woodson said.’

      Yes, yes of course. So do I. And the next time Amare says “I feel pretty good.” lets all conclude on the spot that he’s ready to suit up also. That’ll feel really really good. Prudence after all is just a French word for pussy.

      General George S. Woodson walks to center stage in front of a giant Knicks banner and adresses the troops: “Look. We’re not going to stand around and confuse ourselves with incomprehensible medical gobbledygook and fancy verbiage like “healing” and “recovery time” and “joint stability”. It’s candy-ass nonsense. This isn’t nursery school. You’re grown men, most of you. And I, I am not a nursemaid.

      I mean we knew. By maintaining this pace eventually several of you would spontaneously disassemble while running down the court. Goddammit of course we knew. That can’t be helped. Many of you are old, or wounded or physically enormous. And you take a beating out there several nights a week, I know. Tell someone who cares. Ours is to stay the course; soldier on. You know this. Destiny calls us. She calls us to complete this glorious campaign and no, I will NOT see us falter because we waited for our precious boo boos to feel better.”

      Then quietly aside to Grunwald: “In a former life I was Earl Monroe, Glen. I mean that. I know the timing is a little screwy but it’s true. The point is, I’ve known the taste of triumph Glen. I can still hear the buzzer sounding…. and now that you’ve honored me, allowed me to lead this charge, these twittering ballerinas aren’t going to keep me from tasting it again.”

    20. ruruland

      The Knicks need to make their move for Delonte West right now instead of waiting it out like they did with Kenyon. Someone else will snatch him after a couple D-League games.

      West, as a combo guard, is just the right mix of length, gritty on-ball defense, spot-up shooting and ball-handling for Melo-centric lineups.

      Looking forward to seeing what y’all come up with when he signs. Wallace, West, Martin, Junior, holy shit.

      But you cannot get a better defensive lineup than West, Shump, Martin, Chandler, Camby for a last possession stop.

    21. jon abbey

      yeah, they should have picked up both him and Martin months ago. they have no room to worry about personalities, they are (or should be) desperate.

    22. Juany8

      jon abbey:
      yeah, they should have picked up both him and Martin months ago. they have no room to worry about personalities, they are (or should be) desperate.

      Celtics made a Finals run with a similar strategy (their bench consisted of guys like Nate Robinson, Tony Allen before he was consistent, and Big Baby Davis) and the season they made that run they actually had an extremely similar season to ours (a super hot start followed by utter mediocrity as an old team dealt with injuries and concerned itself with health over wins). Nobody really gave them any kind of a chance in the playoffs, and Lebron’s 60+ win Caveliers team looked unbeatable. Next thing you know they’re in game 7 of the Finals.

      Now I don’t think that’ll happen with this team, but I do think they should go ahead and try to follow a similar strategy. Get the crazy personalities and hope they compete well in the playoffs, rest everyone up as much as possible no matter how bad the record gets, and start basing every decision based on how it will shape the playoff race. I still think this team when healthy is at least an even matchup for any team in the East other than Miami, and no one is beating Miami in the East anyways. The most important things are making sure Kidd, Chandler, and Melo have their legs under them for the playoffs, Melo has barely been able to jump in recent weeks, and instead of worrying about the fact that he’s playing below the rim people are jumping on him for regression. If Kidd isn’t going to defend anyone or hit any kinds of shots in the playoffs, this team was always fucked anyways

    23. Thomas B.

      But you cannot get a better defensive lineup than West, Shump, Martin, Chandler, Camby for a last possession stop.

      What difference will your last possession stop make when the team is down by 15 at the end of the game because they couldn’t score? Sheesh.

    24. maxwell_3g

      ptmilo:
      Setting aside the most recent Carmelo/Chandler injuries, here is how I think about the story of the Knicks’ season so far:

      (1) The entered the year in a bad position long-term.They had team good enough to be a first round favorite and 2nd competitive but probably needing a miracle to beat any of the top few teams in the league in a 7-game series.More important, they had very few chances to improve in the medium term and a lot of chances to get worse.That, and not the expected case, was the crime of the Lin decision.Optionality forfeited by a team with few options.

      (2) They started off shooting unsustainably well from deep.Especially Kidd and Carmelo.

      (3) Stoudemire’s first injury was a big disappointment, but his offensive play upon return was pretty much a best-case improvement, particularly relative to last year.I happen to think his much-maligned defense is even worse than commonly believed, but his offensive production this year was really something.This is exactly the kind of thing they needed to move from need-a-miracle to need-some-luck to contend in a team designed to win today.Or yesterday, really.But…

      (4)Felton, JR Smith, and Shumpert have been marginal disappointments.All have played slightly worse than expected.Camby, on the other hand, has been a huge disappointment.I thought this was a great sign for them at the time but it has been a zero so far.Kidd on balance I think is exactly what you should have expected.Chandler has been fantastic offensively.He has been worse defensively, but I also think his 2011-12 and his expectation was nowhere near DPOY quality in the first place.

      (5) Unfortunately, the sad Amare situation and Shumpert’s anemic return means that, if anything, the franchise is in worse shape than it began the year.What odds would you give the Knicks right now to be a contender in 2014-2015?Seems very low…

    25. maxwell_3g

      Owen:
      Yeah, and they have Bosh. And a halfway serviceable platoon of Haslem, Anthony, and Anderson.And they have Wade, who is a pretty excellent defender.

      The Jordan Bulls did it too obviously. That’s the classic case.

      I guess I should have added the caveat that if you have two of the best defenders in the league at the sg and sf positions, you can get away without having a great defensive big man.

      But otherwise it’s pretty tough.

      I am extremely happy with Chandler. His signing made a big difference to this team. It’s understandable that he has taken the blame for our defensive inadequacies this year. But the truth is, they have had no one else in the rotation who is good on defense at all this year. Shump hasn’t done what he did last year. Felton and Kidd are probably the worst defensive backcourt of any playoff team. Last year we had a lot of young bodies out there and guys with some defensive talent. This year, other than brief cameos by Sheed, Camby and now Martin, there has basically been no defensive player on the roster other than Chandler.

      Sort of makes you yearn for Jared Jeffries, something I never thought I would say…..

      this hints at a bigger point. remember when , in the beginning of the year, everyone said that the key is Melo becoming a complete player, with passing and defense. the idea that your stars new defensive committment would rub off on the team. and then we saw it for about a month? what happened to that guy. i know we have many players that are bad on defense, but most defensive teams have one thing in common. their best player is committed to that end of the floor. that remains part of the problem

    26. jon abbey

      Melo is the highest usage player in the entire league, higher than LeBron, Durant, anyone. this is a bit on him and his style, but much more it’s on the deficiencies of his teammates on the offensive end (including the allegedly underpaid Chandler) and their inability to take any of the load off him.

      in an ideal world, he should have been playing fewer minutes all season, been at least mildly lower usage, and then he would have more energy to consistently devote to the defensive end.

    27. maxwell_3g

      ruruland:
      The Knicks need to make their move for Delonte West right now instead of waiting it out like they did with Kenyon. Someone else will snatch him after a couple D-League games.

      West, as a combo guard, is just the right mix of length, gritty on-ball defense, spot-up shooting and ball-handling for Melo-centric lineups.

      Looking forward to seeing what y’all come up with when he signs. Wallace, West, Martin, Junior, holy shit.

      But you cannot get a better defensive lineup than West, Shump, Martin, Chandler, Camby for a last possession stop.

      im just going to assume this is sarcasm at this point. no one could possibly think delonte west is saving this season

    28. maxwell_3g

      jon abbey:
      Melo is the highest usage player in the entire league, higher than LeBron, Durant, anyone. this is a bit on him and his style, but much more it’s on the deficiencies of his teammates on the offensive end (including the allegedly underpaid Chandler) and their inability to take any of the load off him.

      in an ideal world, he should have been playing fewer minutes all season, been at least mildly lower usage, and then he would have more energy to consistently devote to the defensive end.

      i agree with you that this is an indictment on his teammates as well. but it is a lame excuse for a true “superstar” (I have my doubts) to say, “its so hard for me on offense, i just cant commit any effort to my defense”. our team needs a leader more than anything, and the most ideal person to lead is the best player. we dont have that

    29. jon abbey

      he’s not saying that, but guys who are not superhuman like LeBron/Durant/I guess still Howard have a finite amount of energy.

    30. Owen

      They really are superhuman. It’s just amazing how good Lebron is. Just incredible.

      Unreason – that was pretty funny actually…

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