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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Mar 09 2012)

  • [New York Times] Orlando Ends Chicago’s Streak (Fri, 09 Mar 2012 06:50:43 GMT)
    Dwight Howard had 29 points and 18 rebounds to lead the Orlando Magic to a 99-94 win over the Bulls, snapping Chicago’s eight-game winning streak.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: For the Knicks, Distraction by Addition (Fri, 09 Mar 2012 07:20:18 GMT)
    The euphoria surrounding Jeremy Lin and the Knicks has faded as the team has gone 2-5 since Carmelo Anthony’s return from injury.

  • [New York Times] Suns Get 1st Win Over Mavericks in 9 Tries (Fri, 09 Mar 2012 07:56:26 GMT)
    The Phoenix Suns finally got the best of the Dallas Mavericks. Barely.

  • [New York Times] Orlando Rediscovers Magic Touch to Tame Bulls (Fri, 09 Mar 2012 06:49:02 GMT)
    Stung by an embarrassing loss to lowly Charlotte earlier in the week, the Orlando Magic responded in the best possible fashion with a 99-94 win over the NBA-leading Bulls in Chicago on Thursday.

  • [New York Daily News] Eight should be enough for Knicks (Fri, 09 Mar 2012 04:04:31 GMT)
    MILWAUKEE â?? The chronic pain in Mike D’Antoni’s back was unbearable and it was about to get worse. Much worse. D’Antoni winced and waited in his office on the night of Feb. 15 for a meeting with James Dolan, the chairman of Madison Square Garden.

  • 58 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Mar 09 2012)

    1. DS

      I have a gut feeling the Rockets will get Dwight Howard. They have the smartest negotiators in the league which will not only help them get Dwight but convince him that he can win a championship there.

      Scola, Marting, Dalembert…draft picks??…. Lowry-for-Nelson?

      At what point does Houston say no?

    2. johnlocke

      Interesting article on NYDaily news that Knicks need to play more ‘we’ players and less ‘me’ players and cut rotation to eight guys to get chemistry going. If forced to cut to eight guys who would your guys be, once guys are healthy? Who gets left out?

      I’m thinking core rotation of 9:
      PG – Lin, Davis
      SG – Shumpert, Fields (JR needs to win these mins, playing like crap right now)
      SF – Anthony, Novak
      PF – Amare, Novak
      C – Chandler, Amare, Jeffries

    3. Brian Cronin

      Smith does not have to earn minutes. His track record is long enough to show that he’ll eventually put it together (and he was the best Knick on the court in the Spurs loss, so it’s not like he’s even coming off of a poor performance).

      Also, with Jeffries and Chandler out, an 8-man rotation is a lot simpler to achieve. ;) Even then, though, D’Antoni is playing at least 9 guys tonight.

    4. limpidgimp

      The journalists covering the Knicks should get off their ass and try to interview the assistant coach who is responsible for team defense. That should be the big story, not this Melo-drama and Linsanity gossip parlor.

    5. thenamestsam

      Bill Simmons posted the first half of his NBA Trade Value column this morning.

      http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7664492/nba-trade-value-part-1

      Two Knicks on the first half of the list. Chandler at 41 feels a little low to me, but looking at the guys directly above him it’s hard to find any that I have a beef with specifically.

      Lin is at 34 and he’s one of the more complicated guys on the list in my mind because we really don’t know how much he’s worth to the team economically above and beyond basketball. On a pure basketball level I’d trade him for Harden (right ahead of him) so fast it would make your head spin, and I would gladly swap him for Curry, Lawson or Lowry all three of whom are lower than him on the list.
      I don’t know enough about the economics of the NBA to know what his value is like above and beyond the basketball, but I think it’s risky to make moves (or non-moves) for non-basketball reasons. I’m sure Linsanity is insanely valuable to the Knicks right now in terms of tv ratings, jersey sales, etc. but if the team doesn’t win games I really don’t think it will last. 3 weeks ago my mom was asking me about Linsanity, but she’s not anymore, and I don’t think those days are coming back. Linsanity may be an incredible boost to revenue in the short run, but nothing is more important than winning in the long run I suspect.

    6. JLam

      My playoff feelings since the start of Feb/2012.

      Week 1- I hope we make the playoffs.
      Week 2-We are going to get a playoff berth
      Week 3-We are going to make a deep run in the playoffs.
      Week 4-Hope we dont meet Heat/Bulls in the first round

      March:
      Today -I hope we make the playoffs.

    7. Nick C.

      Battle of the Gods Zeus or Odin who wins while we are on the subject of fantasy questions?

    8. massive

      The problem with this team is that Melo and Amar’e are terrible defenders, but they get anywhere from 28-38 minutes a game. During the Lin/Novak/Chandler run, the defense is what got us winning. You can make the argument that we were playing against a weaker schedule, but we beat both Dallas and Los Angeles; teams that we lost to when Melo and Amar’e were playing. If they don’t pick up the effort on defense, then this team will be really hard to watch/root for the rest of the season. And Melo needs to stop forcing in on offense. Watching Kevin Durant, all he seems to do is take and make open shots, and score in transition.

    9. flossy

      thenamestsam: Bill Simmons posted the first half of his NBA Trade Value column this morning.

      Re: people who fell off the top 50:

      Amar’e Stoudemire (20) is 27 months away from legally changing his name to “Amar’e's Expiring Contract.”

      :(

    10. Brian Cronin

      Melo’s spot on the list is going to be awfully fascinating. He clearly has lots of trade value, and yet at the same time, there are a whole lot of players that the Knicks would trade him for right now if given the opportunity. How many is the interesting question.

    11. johnlocke

      Agreed… the question is when healthy who gets left out if D’Antoni eventually goes to an 8 man rotation which he’s been using during his coaching career — and especially during playoffs?

      I think these are the definites: Lin, Davis, Melo, Amare, Chandler, Shumpert, Novak, JR — that leaves 1 spot for Fields, Jeffries and Jorts

      Brian Cronin:
      Smith does not have to earn minutes. His track record is long enough to show that he’ll eventually put it together (and he was the best Knick on the court in the Spurs loss, so it’s not like he’s even coming off of a poor performance).

      Also, with Jeffries and Chandler out, an 8-man rotation is a lot simpler to achieve. ;) Even then, though, D’Antoni is playing at least 9 guys tonight.

    12. thenamestsam

      Brian Cronin:
      Melo’s spot on the list is going to be awfully fascinating. He clearly has lots of trade value, and yet at the same time, there are a whole lot of players that the Knicks would trade him for right now if given the opportunity. How many is the interesting question.

      Yeah, he’s a tough one. Honestly there are guys on the first half of the list who I would think very long and hard about trading him for. Paul George for example. Obviously not as good as Melo, but playing at a comparable level this year, and with the amount of salary that would clear a little maneuvering would give them a shot at Deron and Dwight right? Harden (who I thought was too low, I was shocked to see him say he thought he was too high) would be the same kind of deal. Don’t clear as much salary but you still have some wiggle room and Harden going forward gives you some stuff to build around and some cap space.
      But in the league at large I do still think Melo has more trade value than those guys.

    13. KJG

      NY2MIA: No!

      YES!!!…

      and @11… the fantasy at this point is thinking the team, as constructed will put it together. I just don’t like what I see out there. I think he’s a classless player…

    14. Gideon Zaga

      the Lakers have a problem and what problem is it, you ask. well after a home win over Miami, the whole town screamed look at me now and then dropped their next two in Knicks fashion ie a come from ahead loss. Now unfortunately after the loss to Washington players couldn’t contain themselves and the chatter reported from the locker room was that they hated Mike Brown’s offensive scheme and talked about how easy the triangle was. So now the discussion around town is that the Laker personnel is not suited to run a traditional offense or pg oriented offense like say the Clips or Celts but rather for a system. Now this brings me to my morning coaching rant, see we’re no different from the Lakers, we have the wrong kind of players in the system. Dantoni still doesn’t have a point guard (admit it folks, Lin is not the next best thing after butter bread) and so he is once again useless. ok enough of the Dantoni bashing. Here’s my point, since we have three primary usage players, shouldn’t we adapt more of the Doc Rivers type offense, where its nothing but 100,000 plays being run for their Big 3. I mean every time I watch them when they play us they seem to ran play after play after play and sometimes its a Pierce/Garnett post iso, cross screens for Allen and pnr for Rondo. Come on is Dantoni that dumb. Ha I think I know the answer to that one.

    15. KJG

      Gideon Zaga:
      the Lakers have a problem and what problem is it, you ask. well after a home win over Miami, the whole town screamed look at me now and then dropped their next two in Knicks fashion ie a come from ahead loss. Now unfortunately after the loss to Washington players couldn’t contain themselves and the chatter reported from the locker room was that they hated Mike Brown’s offensive scheme and talked about how easy the triangle was. So now the discussion around town is that the Laker personnel is not suited to run a traditional offense or pg oriented offense like say the Clips or Celts but rather for a system. Now this brings me to my morning coaching rant, see we’re no different from the Lakers, we have the wrong kind of players in the system. Dantoni still doesn’t have a point guard (admit it folks, Lin is not the next best thing after butter bread) and so he is once again useless. ok enough of the Dantoni bashing. Here’s my point, since we have three primary usage players, shouldn’t we adapt more of the Doc Rivers type offense, where its nothing but 100,000 plays being run for their Big 3. I mean every time I watch them when they play us they seem to ran play after play after play and sometimes its a Pierce/Garnett post iso, cross screens for Allen and pnr for Rondo. Come on is Dantoni that dumb. Ha I think I know the answer to that one.

      I would tend to agree… Brandon Bass ends up with a lot of J’s, it seems, too… just saying, no big deal… he’s probably the default extra option…

      I’ve hated the coach since he was hired though, I’m with you… They bring in a guy with the “no defense” history and it just made me sad… I didn’t have any positive reaction whatsoever. And now he’s been here 4 years… forget about getting an offensive scheme to work with our current roster… he never even had me at hello.

    16. KJG

      hoolahoop: Thanks. Great article. Should be required reading for anyone to post here.
      Bottom line: If you’re so offended by someone’s negative comments about the melo, lin, or the knicks, that you personally attack the commenter – You’re an Asshole!

      Hear, hear!

    17. ephus

      Everyone who has been looking for the Knicks to shift Amar’e to the 5 and Melo to the 4 needs to tune in tonight, because apparently it is going to happen. Howard Beck just re-tweeted that Chandler cannot go tonight and “Knicks likely to go small – Amar’e at center, Melo at PF, Shumpert, Fields and Lin. D’Antoni said he’ll decide after walk-through.”

      Let’s see if the spacing is any better.

    18. Nick C.

      KJG: YES!!!…and @11… the fantasy at this point is thinking the team, as constructed will put it together. I just don’t like what I see out there. I think he’s a classless player…

      fair enough. I just find the random trade hypoethetical I just felt like typing something trade proposals to be tedious.

    19. Gideon Zaga

      wait what’s the matchup? Melo on Gooden = joke

      ephus:
      Everyone who has been looking for the Knicks to shift Amar’e to the 5 and Melo to the 4 needs to tune in tonight, because apparently it is going to happen.Howard Beck just re-tweeted that Chandler cannot go tonight and “Knicks likely to go small – Amar’e at center, Melo at PF, Shumpert, Fields and Lin. D’Antoni said he’ll decide after walk-through.”

      Let’s see if the spacing is any better.

    20. Eternal OptiKnist

      ephus: Everyone who has been looking for the Knicks to shift Amar’e to the 5 and Melo to the 4 needs to tune in tonight, because apparently it is going to happen. Howard Beck just re-tweeted that Chandler cannot go tonight and “Knicks likely to go small – Amar’e at center, Melo at PF, Shumpert, Fields and Lin. D’Antoni said he’ll decide after walk-through.”Let’s see if the spacing is any better.

      Almost the only good thing about this is Amare offensively at the 5. I’ll tell you though…the offense better be lights-out good, because the defensive will be offensive.

    21. KJG

      Nick C.: fair enough. I just find the random trade hypoethetical I just felt like typing something trade proposals to be tedious.

      Touche. Though for me it’s not random. I really would welcome such a deal. Is it realistic? Who knows?

      And I did just feel like typing something.

      I’ll also add something else to this though. How do people feel when we’re down 10 or so points with say 4 to 5 minutes to play and resort to Melo-ISO?… Forget the rest of the game for a second. Just take the end… A few things have to happen 1) Melo has to actually make the undoubtedly high degree of difficulty shot 2a) We have no choice but to make stops, 2b) if they’re in the bonus, we can’t foul 3) we have to rebound…

      Is it me, or is the game 99% over at this point, when it could only be 60% (arbitrary #’s)… we’re cutting our possessions short and A LOT has to fall into place… it’s almost as if we’re stacking the odds even more against ourselves, forget about the 10 to 15 point deficit. This happened on Wed night at one point… Lin eventually padded some of his stats but at the time (4 or 5 minute mark) we had a “nice” slow offensive set, a Melo-ISO, followed by another… I looked up to the god(s) with a puzzled look. If we’re gonna use clock, we want to get off a good shot, correct? Is that a coaching issue or a sound way to get back into the game?

    22. Gideon Zaga

      Everything is coaching at this point. At least the Laker coach Brown pays attention to stats and watches synergy. You don’t need a ven diagram to tell you the trio of Lin, Melo and Stat produce the fewest ppp. Simple fix is put Lin on the second unit where he belongs as Lin/Novak duo produces your highest ppp. I’m really rooting for Lin to suck this game so this can happen. As Davis/superstars trio don’t break the bank on offense but Lin will avoid getting torched by opponent’s 1′s. Plus pnr chemistry between Stat and Davis is better .than stat and lin. And then MWDWMD. But yeah as of now everything is coaching and I’m this close to hiring Occupy Wall street to embark on Occupy MSG/ Fire Dantoni. What a mess.

      KJG:

      If we’re gonna use clock, we want to get off a good shot, correct?Is that a coaching issue or a sound way to get back into the game?

    23. johnlocke

      I think it’s really situation-dependent (who’s the opponent? has Melo actually been playing well? Who’s been playing well so far in the game? Have ISOS been successful? Are they doubling?) It’s hard to say in the abstract. Generally the ISO from a statistical perspective “on average” has a lower probability of success than a P&R, pick and pop, and pretty much every other play…so I think most teams would welcome the offense doing that — provided they don’t have an Amare-like defender guarding Melo.

      KJG: Touche.Though for meit’s not random.I really would welcome such a deal.Is it realistic?Who knows?

      And I did just feel like typing something.

      I’ll also add something else to this though.How do people feel when we’re down 10 or so points with say 4 to 5 minutes to play and resort to Melo-ISO?… Forget the rest of the game for a second.Just take the end… A few things have to happen 1) Melo has to actually make the undoubtedly high degree of difficulty shot 2a) We have no choice but to make stops, 2b) if they’re in the bonus, we can’t foul 3) we have to rebound…

      Is it me, or is the game 99% over at this point, when it could only be 60% (arbitrary #’s)… we’re cutting our possessions short and A LOT has to fall into place… it’s almost as if we’re stacking the odds even more against ourselves, forget about the 10 to 15 point deficit.This happened on Wed night at one point… Lin eventually padded some of his stats but at the time (4 or 5 minute mark) we had a “nice” slow offensive set, a Melo-ISO, followed by another… I looked up to the god(s) with a puzzled look.If we’re gonna use clock, we want to get off a good shot, correct?Is that a coaching issue or a sound way to get back into the game?

    24. NY2MIA

      If we’re gonna use clock, we want to get off a good shot, correct?

      I would want the most skilled person who can create his own shot at a high percentage. This is especially true when it comes to the playoffs when the game slows down and SSOL type offenses are historically ineffective. I want someone who has the ability to break down a defensive player when the open shot is not there due to high/elite level defenses like the ones you’ll see in the playoffs. If the player has a high degree of success in doing that, I want that guy to take that shot.

    25. johnlocke

      Not suggesting they do this, but interested in people’s thinking on this: Should the Knicks offer Chandler and Carmelo for Howard and Turkoglu? Do you think this would help the Knicks? Would the Magic take the offer? I’d be inclined to think it’s the best deal they’d get outside of Bynum + Gasol and I don’t think the Lakers are trading both…

    26. NY2MIA

      johnlocke: Not suggesting they do this, but interested in people’s thinking on this: Should the Knicks offer Chandler and Carmelo for Howard and Turkoglu? Do you think this would help the Knicks? Would the Magic take the offer? I’d be inclined to think it’s the best deal they’d get outside of Bynum + Gasol and I don’t think the Lakers are trading both…

      I imagine that not many would be opposed to this due to the current tumultous state of the Knicks’ season. But will it make the team better? If you consider Orlando Magic north as an improvement then maybe.
      Will Howard work in NY? As long as his role as the man is defined. It’s been reported that whever he goes he wants to be the man. Will that happen with Linsanity?

    27. Gideon Zaga

      hold on, are you even close to suggesting that Linsanity as “El Hombre”???? Are u kidding me, Lin, the man, come on

      NY2MIA: I imagine that not many would be opposed to this due to the current tumultous state of the Knicks’ season. But will it make the team better? If you consider Orlando Magic north as an improvement then maybe.
      Will Howard work in NY? As long as his role as the man is defined. It’s been reported that whever he goes he wants to be the man. Will that happen with Linsanity?

    28. JLam

      Gideon Zaga:
      Everything is coaching at this point. At least the Laker coach Brown pays attention to stats and watches synergy. You don’t need a ven diagram to tell you the trio of Lin, Melo and Stat produce the fewest ppp. Simple fix is put Lin on the second unit where hebelongs as Lin/Novak duo produces your highest ppp. I’m really rooting for Lin to suck this game so this can happen. As Davis/superstars trio don’t break the bank on offense but Lin will avoid getting torched by opponent’s 1?s. Plus pnr chemistry between Stat and Davis is better .than stat and lin. And then MWDWMD. But yeah as of now everything is coaching and I’m this close to hiring Occupy Wall street to embark on Occupy MSG/ Fire Dantoni. What a mess.

      The team looks good on paper and its the coach’s job to get the right combos. Melo-Lin chemistry just aint happening. Why not have two units? Its a long condense season and it just makes sense to share the minutes among all the players.
      Time to interview a replacement for MDA.

    29. Knicks4Eva

      Turkoglu? I know they want to package him, and he might have been a good fit for MDA 3 years ago, but now?

      That’s a big big hit to take.
      Not only that, but Chandler is the hardest-working and most likeable Knick.

      Pass.

    30. Eternal OptiKnist

      johnlocke: Not suggesting they do this, but interested in people’s thinking on this: Should the Knicks offer Chandler and Carmelo for Howard and Turkoglu? Do you think this would help the Knicks? Would the Magic take the offer? I’d be inclined to think it’s the best deal they’d get outside of Bynum + Gasol and I don’t think the Lakers are trading both…

      If anyone thinks that 20+pts, 12+rbs, 2+blks isn’t an upgrade on What Melo gives us you are just stupid. I think any of us does that deal in a heartbeat after shedding many a-tear for losing Tyson…the man is as good as advertised (especially off the court). The good news is that DH12 would replace his technical foul production…so thats a plus. I can’t see how ORL wouldn’t seriously consider that one of the best possible offers..especially if they want to keep the team marketable immediately in a new arena. I was always of the mind that Dolan would never trade his golden egg. I personally recognize melo’s talent (despite my opinions on Melo the man) and i’m not jumping off the bandwagon just yet…but if you can get DH12…peace out. The tough part is how you approach the situation. With the 24hr news cycle, nothing is a secret and you risk a real catastrophe if it doesn’t happen. Melo is already proving to be pretty sensitive.

    31. Eternal OptiKnist

      Knicks4Eva: Turkoglu? I know they want to package him, and he might have been a good fit for MDA 3 years ago, but now?That’s a big big hit to take.Not only that, but Chandler is the hardest-working and most likeable Knick.Pass.

      I think MDA can do more with Turk than Melo. I agree…letting Chandler go would be the hardest thing to do. I would think the Magic would reach out and inquire. Unless they hold the power position and await proposals.

    32. Eternal OptiKnist

      Question for the CBA geniuses here. I remember during negotiations this summer there was talk of a provision under which you could waive a player (you’d still have to pay him), but his cap hit would be spread out over several years. I never heard anything about this after the deal was done….did it make it in? After amnesty-ing chauncey..it’d be nice if we had a fail-safe for Amare. I love the guy, but just thinking ahead.

    33. Gideon Zaga

      yep you’re right , I thought the man had tough skin but I heard he also blew off the media this morning after shootaround. Looks like NY is going to break him. I just hope they fire the coach quicker if it comes to this so at least we can get some trade value.

      Eternal OptiKnist: If anyone thinks that 20+pts, 12+rbs, 2+blks isn’t an upgrade on What Melo gives us you are just stupid.I think any of us does that deal in a heartbeat after shedding many a-tear for losing Tyson…the man is as good as advertised (especially off the court).The good news is that DH12 would replace his technical foul production…so thats a plus.I can’t see how ORL wouldn’t seriously consider that one of the best possible offers..especially if they want to keep the team marketable immediately in a new arena.I was always of the mind that Dolan would never trade his golden egg.I personally recognize melo’s talent (despite my opinions on Melo the man) and i’m not jumping off the bandwagon just yet…but if you can get DH12…peace out.The tough part is how you approach the situation.With the 24hr news cycle, nothing is a secret and you risk a real catastrophe if it doesn’t happen.Melo is already proving to be pretty sensitive.

    34. NY2MIA

      Gideon Zaga: hold on, are you even close to suggesting that Linsanity as “El Hombre”???? Are u kidding me, Lin, the man, come on

      I hope this is sarcasm in your post. If not, let me be clear that quite the contrary. I don’t subscribe to Linsanity although he’s a fine young player taking advantage of a good situation. But I doubt Howard would appreciate the sustained attention given to Lin by the media and international fervor. Howard is looking towards a bigger market to increase his brand not necessarily to compete with anothers. If that’s the case why not demand Chicago an play with the best point in the game. Oh right, there’s Adidas. Linsanity appears to be irking NBA players as their initial praise of his game is shifting to how nice is his story (suggestive of how they truly feel?). If this is so, then this may be an inauspicious omen for this franchise down the road, especially when the system Lin initially exploded onto the scene as the main beneficiary is no longer the schematic (with D’Antoni likely gone next year).

    35. Eternal OptiKnist

      Gideon Zaga: I just hope they fire the coach quicker if it comes to this so at least we can get some trade value.

      C’mon Gids…fire the coach?? Now?? I’m a D’antoni guy who’s willing to admit its gotten tough to defend him sometimes. But fring him now is silly when you can just not renew him after the season…there’s not much bball left…let him walk with dignity. Even Woodson cant make an impactful, sweeping system change this late in a lockout season with no practice…its not a situation where the players have quit on the coach..they love him. At the very least you must admit his brand of bball made the ‘waiting-for-lebron’ years as palatable as possible. Plus letting him go is just more controversy and bad press that we don’t need to deal with…we’ve had enough.

    36. Gamecockerbocker

      Just as a question… Are we screwed for the next nine years when it comes to the amnesty clause? Because I’ve been doing some reading and I’m pretty sure teams can only use it once until the CBA expires. I mean basically getting rid of Chauncey for Tyson was worth it, but I’m sure over the next nine years Dolan and his cohorts will do something stupid and we’ll all wish we had the amnesty clause in 2017 to get rid of Kobe Bryant’s max contract that we somehow got saddled with by trading away two first round picks that end up being the next Magic Johnson and LeBron or something crazy like that.

    37. Eternal OptiKnist

      Gamecockerbocker: but I’m sure over the next nine years Dolan and his cohorts will do something stupid and we’ll all wish we had the amnesty clause in 2017 to get rid of Kobe Bryant’s max contractP>

      The amnesty can only be used once and can only be used for a player already on ur roster at the time the CBA was signed. So for example, lets say we got Tyson Chandler without amnesty-ing Chauncey and then Tyson blows out his knee in a horrible hot-air-baloon accident, we can NOT use the amnesty on him because we signed him after the new CBA was done. Does no one know the answer to #40?

    38. ephus

      Gamecockerbocker:
      Just as a question… Are we screwed for the next nine years when it comes to the amnesty clause? Because I’ve been doing some reading and I’m pretty sure teams can only use it once until the CBA expires. I mean basically getting rid of Chauncey for Tyson was worth it, but I’m sure over the next nine years Dolan and his cohorts will do something stupid and we’ll all wish we had the amnesty clause in 2017 to get rid of Kobe Bryant’s max contract that we somehow got saddled with by trading away two first round picks that end up being the next Magic Johnson and LeBron or something crazy like that.

      Yes, the Knicks will not be able to use the Amnesty Clause again, but they never could have used it for any contract signed after the New CBA was executed. The idea behind the Amnesty Clause was to allow teams to get out from under contracts that made sense under the old CBA, but could not work under the new CBA. If a contract was signed after the new CBA was in effect, then you could not Amnesty out of it.

    39. Gideon Zaga

      I agree with you. I just thought that firing him will take away from the melo drama. As it stands, him constantly blowing off the media is not a good sign. I’d rather lose the coach than the players Psyche. See AJ and the others who couldn’t handle the NY media mental pressure.

      Eternal OptiKnist: C’mon Gids…fire the coach?? Now??I’m a D’antoni guy who’s willing to admit its gotten tough to defend him sometimes.But fring him now is silly when you can just not renew him after the season…there’s not much bball left…let him walk with dignity.Even Woodson cant make an impactful, sweeping system change this late in a lockout season with no practice…its not a situation where the players have quit on the coach..they love him.At the very least you must admit his brand of bball made the ‘waiting-for-lebron’ years as palatable as possible.Plus letting him go is just more controversy and bad press that we don’t need to deal with…we’ve had enough.

    40. Gamecockerbocker

      ephus: Yes, the Knicks will not be able to use the Amnesty Clause again, but they never could have used it for any contract signed after the New CBA was executed.The idea behind the Amnesty Clause was to allow teams to get out from under contracts that made sense under the old CBA, but could not work under the new CBA.If a contract was signed after the new CBA was in effect, then you could not Amnesty out of it.

      Ahhh makes sense now. Gracias.

    41. Eternal OptiKnist

      Gideon Zaga: I agree with you. I just thought that firing him will take away from the melo drama. As it stands, him constantly blowing off the media is not a good sign. I’d rather lose the coach than the players Psyche. See AJ and the others who couldn’t handle the NY media mental pressure.

      I hear you, but without D’antoni as his scapegoat the pressure will be 100% on him (kind of what happened during Linsanity, but more so). If you think he’s cracking now, that’d make him crumble as i dont think things would get much better for the team and he might have to answer for us missing the playoffs. Trust me D’antoni-haters..you don’t want D’antoni fired…you’ll need someone to blame if we miss the playoffs.

    42. KnicksFanInVA

      Where?!? I would be ecstatic with that!

      TheXman:
      It was tweeted, straight up Amare for Pau.Hah, wow that’d be an upgrade.

    43. thenamestsam

      Yeah that’s not going to happen. That would definitely be a contender for worst trade in the history of sports right? I mean Pau isn’t having a great season but he still looks like basically the same guy, he just doesn’t get the ball because Kobe has lost his mind. Add in the uninsurable contract and the fact that stylistically Amare makes no sense for them (they run 0 pick and roll and they don’t have shots for him anyways) and that would be the most absurd coup of all time. I’d gladly throw in 2 first round picks and still consider that a win.

      KnicksFanInVA:
      Where?!? I would be ecstatic with that!

    44. TheXman

      I don’t have twitter, but my friend told me. Some reporter, probably an easy find somewhere. Not sure how extensive the negotiations were, but the Lakers are looking to shop Pau. Amare is younger and probably brings more excitement. Pau’s contract is shorter, obviously down the line, he rebounds and defends better. Lol, would be hilarious if they pulled that off.

    45. ruruland

      thenamestsam:
      Yeah that’s not going to happen. That would definitely be a contender for worst trade in the history of sports right? I mean Pau isn’t having a great season but he still looks like basically the same guy, he just doesn’t get the ball because Kobe has lost his mind. Add in the uninsurable contract and the fact that stylistically Amare makes no sense for them (they run 0 pick and roll and they don’t have shots for him anyways) and that would be the most absurd coup of all time. I’d gladly throw in 2 first round picks and still consider that a win.

      Yeah makes no sense. There are reliable reports, however, that the Lakers are trying to finalize a trade.

    46. Richmond County

      Well after the Lakers got Pau for free, they might as well give him away for free, too. You know, pay it forward.

    47. Gamecockerbocker

      There’s also a rumor on twitter that Gasol has been traded. No deets on for who or to where, though.

    48. Gamecockerbocker

      Gasol is playing tonight though, and Stat is starting at center. Seriously, though, if the Knicks could somehow make this happen…

    49. thenamestsam

      Richmond County:
      Well after the Lakers got Pau for free, they might as well give him away for free, too.You know, pay it forward.

      This made me laugh out loud.

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