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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Mar 08 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Durant’s Thunder too much for Melo-less Knicks (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 07:08:58 GMT)
    The performance said a lot about the Knicks heart and character but it also said something about their late game execution. The Knicks, playing their fourth game in five nights and without an injured Carmelo Anthony for the second straight game, lost 95-94 to Oklahoma City.

  • [New York Daily News] Smith: Knicks miss Melo and shot at upset (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 06:54:31 GMT)
    The Knicks left Detroit on Wednesday night safely in the position that they want to be in â?? No. 2 in the Eastern Conference â?? if they hope to delay a showdown with Miami until the conference finals.

  • [New York Times] Euroleague to Probe Alleged Fan Attack on Fernandez (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:15:35 GMT)
    Euroleague has opened an investigation into reports of a fan attack on Real Madrid guard Rudy Fernandez after their match at Lithuanians Zalgiris Kaunas on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] A Look at Some of the Most Amazing Shots This Year (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:04:10 GMT)
    Did you see that shot?

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Win Seventh Straight, Rout Clippers 107-92 (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 07:33:51 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Clippers managed to slow down the Denver Nuggets.

  • [New York Times] Thunder 95, Knicks 94: Smith Buoys Knicks but Founders at End of Loss to Thunder (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 06:00:51 GMT)
    With Carmelo Anthony sitting out, J. R. Smith had 36 points to keep the Knicks competitive. He came up short, though, and the Thunder won.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Hold Off Smith, Knicks as Anthony Sits (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 05:31:11 GMT)
    The Kevin Durant-Carmelo Anthony duel was postponed, though J.R. Smith filled in nicely â?? for three quarters.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Still Making Noise After Being Shorn of ‘The Beard’ (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 03:33:36 GMT)
    The Oklahoma City Thunder are still making big noise in the NBA despite dealing away James “The Beard” Harden and hope their new mix will take them even farther than last year’s trip to the Finals.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: The N.B.A., for $1.98 (Plus Fees) (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:39:46 GMT)
    Tickets to N.B.A. games can be had for low prices, but is it worth even that to watch a team like the Wizards?

  • [New York Times] Keeping Score: Keeping Score – Bulls’ Defensive Stopper Is Their Coach, Tom Thibodeau (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:33:11 GMT)
    By allowing 101.7 points per 100 possession, second best in the Eastern Conference, the Bulls are contending for a top-four seed in the N.B.A. playoffs despite being without Derrick Rose.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Anthony to Miss Game Against Thunder (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:30:12 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony still has not played since sustaining a knee injury on Monday in a game against the Cleveland Cavaliers.

  • [New York Times] Brooklyn’s Reggie Evans Is a Rebounding Machine (Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:18:16 GMT)
    Nets forward Reggie Evans has accounted for nearly half of the team’s rebounds nightly when he has been on the floor. But his scoring numbers have not been so impressive.

  • 68 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Mar 08 2013)

    1. A Voice of Reason

      Haven’t posted in a while..

      The game last night was a great showing from JR Swish, more of what we saw in Denver for stretches in his earlier days. Yes, he took some questionable shots, but when you consider Shump’s ineffectiveness on offense, Kidd’s reluctance to resemble a scorer in transition or half court, and Felton’s love handles..JR was our best chance to win. I can’t figure out why he didn’t go by Westbrook though, who would have certainly fouled him on that ankle. I liked what I saw from K-Mart, and he would be a much better token starter than KT or James frickin White..seriously..

      Amare was better later, but you cannot try to out-jump Ibaka..I thought he was trying to make a point instead of make points early on, and Ibaka owned him in the first half. We fought valiantly without our floor spacer, and with the exception of Woodson, we did enough to win.

      SN-the refs truly do hate us..every team argues calls, but the calls we DON’T get are sometimes alarmingly hateful. Multiple drives by JR and Felton, and paint moves by STAT and Chandler. Glaringly one-sided whistle last night, imho. We look good when we play hard. Lets go Knicks

    2. Frank O.

      It pained me to do so last night, but the site was so f-ed up I couldn’t post a thing. very frustrating.

    3. Frank O.

      “Yes, he took some questionable shots, but when you consider Shump’s ineffectiveness on offense, Kidd’s reluctance to resemble a scorer in transition or half court, and Felton’s love handles..JR was our best chance to win.”Voice of Reason.

      I couldn’t disagree more. Look, with all due respect, Earl the Pipe’s hot streaks have the permanence of smoke.
      Was he hot? Sure. White hot at times? Yep.
      But would anyone in their right mind ever argue that dependence on Earl for consistent, SMART play is a strategy???
      Come on. Right now, the Knicks have one of the most dominant low post scorers in the game, period. That’s not hyperbole. That’s fact. Ball don’t lie. While he started slow, Amare woke, and his baby hook and his tomahawk right in the face of one of the best shot blockers on the planet sent a clear message: I’m your Clydesdale, unrein me.
      So what happened? It was bad Melo: bad Melo from two years ago and part of last year, who would catch the ball on the elbow, dribble down the clock and then settle for a jumper…only the guy who was doing it, was no where near Melo in his abilities.
      How often did the point guard, mostly Ray, bring to ball up, and then move to the opposite side from Amare? How often was he on the block only to see his guards look away?
      Sure Ibaka blocked some shots.
      But I’m fairly certain that if that ball finds Amare on the block – especially with Tyson on the court, which he wasn’t for god knows why – Amare backs down Ibaka, because he did that easily all night, and one of three things would have happened:
      1) Amare scores.
      2) Amare gets fouled
      3) Amare gets doubled and finds Chandler who slams the ball home.
      You pay Amare a max contract, and like when he first arrived healthy and confident, he right now is worthy of it. You pay Tyson Max money. He was benched.
      Woodson mistook smoke for fire.

    4. jon abbey

      you know Amar’e shot 5-16 in that game, right? he probably got blocked almost as many times as he made FGs.

    5. er

      jon abbey: you know Amar’e shot 5-16 in that game, right? he probably got blocked almost as many times as he made FGs.

      oddly enough i thought he was way better on defense than offense last night. He was being thorougly outclassed by ibaka to the point that Ibaka was doing multiple mutombo finger wags

    6. Jp

      jon abbey: you know Amar’e shot 5-16 in that game, right? he probably got blocked almost as many times as he made FGs.

      yeah, but he also didnt get the ball in the post as much as he has been in recent history. to me amare was involved in too many high pnr and didnt get the ball in the low post enough.

    7. Unreason

      I thought the last shot was acceptable if not ideal. It just didn’t fall. Ideally, IMO, Earl drives hard and dishes to Amare if Ibaka comes to him or takes it all the way to the hole if he doesn’t. But OKC is a really good defensive team and spectacularly athletic and JR is JR, so ideal is irrelevant.

      I don’t get Woodson’s use of Chandler or Thomas or White or Novak. His record is good enough to earn him the benefit of the doubt from me for while but not much longer.

      The clock on Shump’s return to a near-elite perimeter defender is also winding down as far as I’m concerned. Likable liabilities are an extravagant luxury.

    8. Nick C.

      The article was puffy filler. He came up with a headline and then filled it up with babble. If he wanted to be serious instead of saying averaged slightly over he could have put out the numbers. The most interesting data point was that they both were the only players to go left 65% or more on Isos.

    9. Frank O.

      jon abbey:
      you know Amar’e shot 5-16 in that game, right? he probably got blocked almost as many times as he made FGs.

      You’re not suggesting in any way that JR’s and Amare’s track record recently or over a career is anywhere in the same stratosphere, are you?
      You don’t leave your best player on the sideline when the chips are down because the laws of averages apply.
      It was far more likely, IMHO, that JR would go cold than it would be that Amare would remain cold. And JR missed his last four shots, so he had gotten cold.
      Plus, the percentages favor the 6’11 PF, with a TS% of .637 and an eFG% of .577, two feet from the basket than it does the 6’6 guard falling away from 17 ft.
      So, yeah, I’m quite familiar with what Amare was doing.
      And there is a bigger picture than just this game. You want Amare to know he’s the guy.
      Not upstaged by the guy whose got a TS% of .499 and an eFG% of % .465, shooting 40% from the field and 35% from 3.
      The Knicks will need Amare in the big games this season. You have to bank on it.
      Conversely, hot JR is like found money; you never bank on it. You just enjoy it when it comes.
      Dumb call all around

    10. jon abbey

      I am as big a fan of Amar’e as almost anyone, but I’d be stunned if he had success in that situation. he was having trouble against Ibaka all night and it’s tougher to get a whistle at the end. JR has won two games at the end where Melo was out on ridiculous shots, he earned the right in this game to take the last shot.

      you said:

      “Amare backs down Ibaka, because he did that easily all night, and one of three things would have happened:
      1) Amare scores.
      2) Amare gets fouled
      3) Amare gets doubled and finds Chandler who slams the ball home.”

      Chandler wasn’t even in the game, and Ibaka blocked Amar’e three times (Perkins got him once). I definitely roll the dice with JR there, and quality of shot seems to matter less with him than with almost any player in the league.

    11. jon abbey

      yeah, he missed his previous few, but he also scored 36 points in the final three quarters.

    12. jon abbey

      the thing I questioned was having Novak in there over Chandler on those last two possessions, I thought that was stunningly dumb.

    13. Frank O.

      jon abbey:
      I am as big a fan of Amar’e as almost anyone, but I’d be stunned if he had success in that situation. he was having trouble against Ibaka all night and it’s tougher to get a whistle at the end. JR has won two games at the end where Melo was out on ridiculous shots, he earned the right in this game to take the last shot.

      you said:

      “Amare backs down Ibaka, because he did that easily all night, and one of three things would have happened:
      1) Amare scores.
      2) Amare gets fouled
      3) Amare gets doubled and finds Chandler who slams the ball home.”

      Chandler wasn’t even in the game, and Ibaka blocked Amar’e three times (Perkins got him once). I definitely roll the dice with JR there, and quality of shot seems to matter less with him than with almost any player in the league.

      My other beef earlier in my comment was that I thought it was stupid not to play chandler. My ending was my ideal ending. I knew chandler wasn’t there.
      JR hasn’t hit a game winning shot in a long time, and his shooting over the past 20 games…well, his overall averages speak for themselves. He played great early and has been putrid for vast stretches.
      Great players find a way to win in big situations. You bet on that sure as you pay them max salaries. Mid-level players are what they are: more likely than not to fail in those situations. JR has been a below average scorer this year; a high volume guy, who of late has shown a propensity to blow games rather than win them. Recall the silly pass that doomed any chance last game.
      I think you’re just being contrary. Yes, he hit a prolonged hot streak, but that streak was pretty much over midway through the fourth.

    14. Frank O.

      jon abbey:
      the thing I questioned was having Novak in there over Chandler on those last two possessions, I thought that was stunningly dumb.

      this I totally agree with

    15. Owen

      I don’t mind rolling the dice, but I feel like giving it to JR lacked the element of surprise. And honestly, it seemed to come as a total shock that the inbound would be contested….

      Re the Herring article.

      Chris, if you are reading this blog as Ruru says, that is some, ahh, extremely weak sauce. There are certainly superficial similarities between Durant and Melo, but to say the numbers support the fact that they have “put together almost identical bodies of work from a statistical standpoint.”

      That is just flat out incorrect and I am surprised there wasn’t one factchecker at the WSJ who told you.

      Any advanced stat measure, box score at least, will tell you that Durant is FAR superior to Melo. It’s not close. And mostly that is due to his superior efficiency.

      Look up their True Shooting percentages on basketball reference. Then check their Win Shares per 48.

      Alright, and sorry all for bring a Ruru shitstorm down on me/us…..

    16. DS

      Did anyone mention that Woody recently head coached his 82nd regular season game for the Knicks? A 55-27 record in the reg. season since taking over for MDA.

    17. er

      Owen: I don’t mind rolling the dice, but I feel like giving it to JR lacked the element of surprise. And honestly, it seemed to come as a total shock that the inbound would be contested….Re the Herring article. Chris, if you are reading this blog as Ruru says, that is some, ahh, extremely weak sauce. There are certainly superficial similarities between Durant and Melo, but to say the numbers support the fact that they have “put together almost identical bodies of work from a statistical standpoint.”That is just flat out incorrect and I am surprised there wasn’t one factchecker at the WSJ who told you. Any advanced stat measure, box score at least, will tell you that Durant is FAR superior to Melo. It’s not close. And mostly that is due to his superior efficiency. Look up their True Shooting percentages on basketball reference. Then check their Win Shares per 48. Alright, and sorry all for bring a Ruru shitstorm down on me/us…..

      lol

    18. ruruland

      Owen:
      I don’t mind rolling the dice, but I feel like giving it to JR lacked the element of surprise. And honestly, it seemed to come as a total shock that the inbound would be contested….

      Re the Herring article.

      Chris, if you are reading this blog as Ruru says, that is some, ahh, extremely weak sauce. There are certainly superficial similarities between Durant and Melo, but to say the numbers support the fact that they have “put together almost identical bodies of work from a statistical standpoint.”

      That is just flat out incorrect and I am surprised there wasn’t one factchecker at the WSJ who told you.

      Any advanced stat measure, box score at least, will tell you that Durant is FAR superior to Melo.It’s not close. And mostly that is due to his superior efficiency.

      Look up theirTrue Shooting percentages on basketball reference. Then check their Win Shares per 48.

      Alright, and sorry all for bring a Ruru shitstorm down on me/us…..

      The fact that Durant has superior efficiency and ws/48 are indisputable facts. Why would I challenge them on their face?

    19. flossy

      jon abbey:
      you know Amar’e shot 5-16 in that game, right? he probably got blocked almost as many times as he made FGs.

      He also got Ibaka into major foul trouble and would have had him fouled out shortly after halftime if he got a decent whistle

    20. Frank O.

      Frankly, what makes me sick is somehow Woodson seems to believe the best way to start a game is by putting your best foot forward last.

      What the fuck is the point of starting guys who bring virtually nothing to the table?
      Kurt Thomas and James White. WTF!!!
      Now is the time you come with your best.
      Chandler, Amare, Melo, Shump and Felton

      Let JR be your energy guy. Some nights he helps; some he hurts. But you don’t feature him over your best players.

      Put the best damn team out there.
      And when Melo is out, even more reason to bring Amare early.
      Why let the other team feel confident playing against folks that either have cement feet, or are too inexperienced or simply not very good?

    21. flossy

      I’m sure even ruruland would concede that Durant is better. In fact I recall him saying like yesterday that LeBron and Durant are on their own planet.

    22. Frank O.

      And the knock on Amare was that he wasn’t playing defense and so that’s why a) he comes off the bench and b) he doesn’t always get 30 minutes.

      But last night, he played one of the best defensive games I’ve seen him play. In that moment, you reward that effort.
      Woodson, like D’Antoni, seems unwilling to adapt to what is happening before his eyes.

    23. jon abbey

      DS:
      Did anyone mention that Woody recently head coached his 82nd regular season game for the Knicks?A 55-27 record in the reg. season since taking over for MDA.

      I did mention this after the previous game, yes.

    24. PC

      I don’t think there was any problem with going to JR for the last possession. The problem is JR needs to outthink an opponent. Everyone in the gym knows JR is shooting a long, typically, step-back jumper. He needs to use that knowledge to his advantage. I quick move, step-back pump fake would give JR a ton of option: (1) draw the foul on a jumper (2) or have an open look.

      The contested shot bullshit is insane. Everyone knows an athlete like Westbrook is selling out trying to block any shot that gets put up – yet JR does exactly what Westbrook wants him to do.

    25. Frank O.

      Owen:
      I don’t mind rolling the dice, but I feel like giving it to JR lacked the element of surprise. And honestly, it seemed to come as a total shock that the inbound would be contested….

      Re the Herring article.

      Chris, if you are reading this blog as Ruru says, that is some, ahh, extremely weak sauce. There are certainly superficial similarities between Durant and Melo, but to say the numbers support the fact that they have “put together almost identical bodies of work from a statistical standpoint.”

      That is just flat out incorrect and I am surprised there wasn’t one factchecker at the WSJ who told you.

      Any advanced stat measure, box score at least, will tell you that Durant is FAR superior to Melo.It’s not close. And mostly that is due to his superior efficiency.

      Look up theirTrue Shooting percentages on basketball reference. Then check their Win Shares per 48.

      Alright, and sorry all for bring a Ruru shitstorm down on me/us…..

      Actually, my thought was that ruru would absolutely agree that Durant is better.
      I think he’s made the point that there is Lebron and Durant, and then everyone else.
      But maybe I’m wrong.

    26. Frank O.

      flossy:
      I’m sure even ruruland would concede that Durant is better.In fact I recall him saying like yesterday that LeBron and Durant are on their own planet.

      Haha. didn’t see this. Agree entirely.

    27. Frank O.

      DS:
      Did anyone mention that Woody recently head coached his 82nd regular season game for the Knicks?A 55-27 record in the reg. season since taking over for MDA.

      That doesn’t preclude him from making mistakes. It certainly precludes him from anyone talking about firing him.
      Woodson has made some mistakes of late. He’s cost the knicks some wins.
      to his credit, he admits to some of them. He acknowledged sitting Amare for the last eight minutes of a game a few days ago was a mistake.
      But his management of this game was frustrating.
      He sometimes seems to forget people.

    28. Frank O.

      ruruland: The fact that Durant has superior efficiency and ws/48 are indisputable facts. Why would I challenge them on their face?

      Two for flinching.

    29. Count de Pennies

      A Voice of Reason: Glaringly one-sided whistle last night, imho.

      I’ll just go ahead and state what I know will be an unpopular opinion: I’ve come to despise Kevin Durant.

      Dude entered the NBA already anointed as The Next Big Thing by the suits in the league marketing office. No sooner had he set foot on an NBA floor for the first time than officials were treating him as if he were some priceless antiquity and opposing defenders unruly tourists at The Louvre.

      This utterly absurd “look but don’t touch” policy where Durant is concerned has been made even worse by the inflated sense of entitlement he’s developed as a result. He’s clearly come to expect the ridiculous whistle he gets and is no longer shy about expressing his displeasure when said policy is not rigorously enforced. That he’s second in the league in technical fouls is just a sick fucking joke.

      Making this especially sad is the fact that Durant is obviously a transcendent talent who would be great sans any kid gloves treatment from the league. But the hair trigger fouls – and the incessant whining when those fouls are not called – makes Thunder games well nigh unwatchable at times for me.

    30. flossy

      For what it’s worth, I have no problem going with JR on the last possession–he was having a huge game and has hit 2 game winners already this season.

      What I do have a problem with was the play, which could have been drawn up in crayon at any pre-school between here and OKC. Is there nothing we could have done except get the ball to JR, pinned against the sideline, and say “uh, here you go, you have 5 seconds to make something happen, so good luck!”

      The four guard line-up in the 4th was atrocious. There is really never a good occasion to have Shumpert and Kidd on the floor together, so limited is their combined offensive contributions. We have more skill in the frontcourt that goes underused than any other team in the league, and end up leaning on our subpar guards to a really crippling degree. Something that Woodson really needs to fix in the next 6 weeks or the playoffs won’t be pretty.

      Kenyon Martin was a revelation on defense and really made life tough for Durant. If he can do what he did last night for 15-20 mpg going forward, as far as I’m concerned there’s no reason for Carmelo to play any more PF and there’s no reason to ever see Kurt Thomas or James White in the game again. If everyone stays healthy, between Amar’e, Chandler, Martin and sometimes Camby, we’ve the 4/5 spots covered and should permanently move Melo back down to the 3 so that some of our shitty guards get their minutes cut.

    31. ruruland

      Frank O.: Haha. didn’t see this. Agree entirely.

      There’s no denying it. And for all of Durant’s greatness, I think he gets the best whistle in the game (he or Harden). Just shows contact really well and gets automatic calls on light contact that I don’t think anyone else gets.

      There’s no doubt that provides a nice boost to his efficiency. But a 50/40/90 season, incredible. Freak of nature and really fun to watch.

    32. jon abbey

      totally agreed that it’s time to stop playing Melo at the 4, it just doesn’t make sense with our personnel.

    33. ruruland

      Count de Pennies: I’ll just go ahead and state what I know will be an unpopular opinion: I’ve come to despise Kevin Durant.

      Dude entered the NBA already anointed as The Next Big Thing by the suits in the league marketing office. No sooner had he set foot on an NBA floor for the first time than officials were treating him as if he were some priceless antiquity and opposing defenders unruly tourists at The Louvre.

      This utterly absurd “look but don’t touch” policy where Durant is concerned has been made even worse by the inflated sense of entitlement he’s developed as a result. He’s clearly come to expect the ridiculous whistle he gets and is no longer shy about expressing his displeasure when said policy is not rigorously enforced. That he’s second in the league in technical fouls is just a sick fucking joke.

      Making this especially sad is the fact that Durant is obviously a transcendent talent who would be great sans any kid gloves treatment from the league. But the hair trigger fouls – and the incessant whining when those fouls are not called – makes Thunder games well nigh unwatchable at times for me.

      It really bothers me too, because it’s like Durant is not allowed to have a bad game. You watch what happens with his free-throw rate on bad shooting nights.

      I really like your take on his self entitlement, but he can still be wildly entertaining to watch.

    34. domiknick

      flossy:
      The four guard line-up in the 4th was atrocious.There is really never a good occasion to have Shumpert and Kidd on the floor together, so limited is their combined offensive contributions.We have more skill in the frontcourt that goes underused than any other team in the league, and end up leaning on our subpar guards to a really crippling degree.Something that Woodson really needs to fix in the next 6 weeks or the playoffs won’t be pretty.

      Kenyon Martin was a revelation on defense and really made life tough for Durant.If he can do what he did last night for 15-20 mpg going forward, as far as I’m concerned there’s no reason for Carmelo to play any more PF and there’s no reason to ever see Kurt Thomas or James White in the game again.If everyone stays healthy, between Amar’e, Chandler, Martin and sometimes Camby, we’ve the 4/5 spots covered and should permanently move Melo back down to the 3 so that some of our shitty guards get their minutes cut.

      +1

    35. Frank O.

      Count de Pennies: I’ll just go ahead and state what I know will be an unpopular opinion: I’ve come to despise Kevin Durant.

      Dude entered the NBA already anointed as The Next Big Thing by the suits in the league marketing office. No sooner had he set foot on an NBA floor for the first time than officials were treating him as if he were some priceless antiquity and opposing defenders unruly tourists at The Louvre.

      This utterly absurd “look but don’t touch” policy where Durant is concerned has been made even worse by the inflated sense of entitlement he’s developed as a result. He’s clearly come to expect the ridiculous whistle he gets and is no longer shy about expressing his displeasure when said policy is not rigorously enforced. That he’s second in the league in technical fouls is just a sick fucking joke.

      Making this especially sad is the fact that Durant is obviously a transcendent talent who would be great sans any kid gloves treatment from the league. But the hair trigger fouls – and the incessant whining when those fouls are not called – makes Thunder games well nigh unwatchable at times for me.

      I agree he gets treated with kit gloves.
      But it is human nature to defend what you have. He’d be a fool not to fight to get the same treatment, and from a consistency point of view he may have a case to make. But there were fouls called on him that looked like a hand brushing the jersey.
      That’s outrageous, especially when you look at Amare’s tomahawk jam last night where he clearly got hammered on the arms and body, and there was no and one.
      But you brush Durant’s jersey and: tweet!

    36. KnickfaninNJ

      I don’t think Amare wasn’t playing at the end because of some stupid decision on Woody’s part. I think he hit his minutes limit and Woody didn’t want to go over it. Given the Anthony situation, that is very understandable and what I would do too.

      On another note, I remember that last year the severity of Lin’s injury wasn’t disclosed until after some sort of deadline for season ticket holders to renew. Are we by any chance near a similar deadline? That would make me very nervous about his knee.

    37. Frank O.

      KnickfaninNJ:
      I don’t think Amare wasn’t playing at the end because of some stupid decision on Woody’s part.I think he hit his minutes limit and Woody didn’t want to go over it.Given the Anthony situation, that is very understandable and what I would do too.

      On another note, I remember that last year the severity of Lin’s injury wasn’t disclosed until after some sort of deadline for season ticket holders to renew.Are we by any chance near a similar deadline? That would make me very nervous about his knee.

      Do you mean Chandler? Amare was on the court. They just went away from him.

    38. lavor postell

      Woodson was terrible with his rotations last night and probably cost us the game. White and Thomas shouldn’t start games ever or ever get serious game time. Shumpert should not have been playing at all in the 4th given his pathetic offensive display last night. Prigioni for some reason has been dropped from the rotation even though he is a capable pNr player, shoots the three at a good clip and is a decent defender. Inserting him in the early fourth quarter is nice because he is fresh and his on ball defense can pay immediate dividends then. He certainly would have done more with some of Shump’s and all of White’s minutes. Both Chandler and Amare’s absence was glaring and stupid. Maybe Woodson was wary of extending some guys on the second night of a back to back, because that’s the only logical explanation.

      That all being said the officiating last night was a joke. I’ve never seen a game in Melo or STAT’s career in New York or previously where they were treated with kid gloves that Durant gets virtually every night. Don’t get me wrong those two still get their share of superstar calls, but Durant’s whistle really is something else. It was even worse when you contrasted it with the whistle the Knicks got the entire night. There was one in particular in the fourth quarter where STAT was blatantly fouled in the lane and nothing was called that sent me through the roof.

      That was a tough one to swallow because we got killed by our head coach’s decision making and then were really put against it by the officials’ inability to have a semblance of neutrality. Since the Pacers forcibly violated us our defense overall has been a lot better. Holding Miami to 99 points, especially with how careless we were with the ball is nothing sneeze at. Right now I’m more worried about our offensive flow late in games. Too much iso late in games rather than running the multiple pick and rolls that gave us so much early season success.

    39. Brian Cronin

      Maybe Woodson was wary of extending some guys on the second night of a back to back, because that’s the only logical explanation.

      Even that is illogical since Chandler actually played more than his average minutes! If playing a guy 35 minutes is resting him (and I agree that that might have been Woody’s thinking), then that’s just foolish.

    40. JC Knickfan

      I still don’t get why Kurt Thomas started the last 2 game, but log 4 and 5 minutes subsequently. He posted 6 DNP before that. What is Woodson thinking? Put Amare out there and let him play 8 on, 9 off, 7 on and then repeat. If Kurt has to play wouldn’t it make sense to sub him when a starter needs a breather?

    41. Owen

      While it sort of sounds like something Ruru would say, in fact, he has said many times he thinks Durant is in another league from Melo. But Ruru did mention Chris was monitoring the site, so I thought I would give him my two cents, like a new yorker is wont to do.

      My dad is incensed at Kenyon Martin for fouling Durant in the closing minute and giving him two free points. Anyone remember what exactly happened on that play? Think it was at the 138 mark. I thought it was a cheap call by the refs.

    42. JC Knickfan

      Owen:
      While it sort of sounds like something Ruru would say, in fact, he has said many times he thinks Durant is in another league from Melo. But Ruru did mention Chris was monitoring the site, so I thought I would give him my two cents, like a new yorker is wont to do.

      My dad is incensed at Kenyon Martin for fouling Durant in the closing minute and giving him two free points. Anyoneremember what exactly happened on that play? Think it was at the 138 mark. I thought it was a cheap call by the refs.

      It was foul which initial call a flagrant 1. After review ref changed to just a regular foul. That was Martin 6th foul also.

    43. domiknick

      Owen:
      While it sort of sounds like something Ruru would say, in fact, he has said many times he thinks Durant is in another league from Melo. But Ruru did mention Chris was monitoring the site, so I thought I would give him my two cents, like a new yorker is wont to do.

      My dad is incensed at Kenyon Martin for fouling Durant in the closing minute and giving him two free points. Anyoneremember what exactly happened on that play? Think it was at the 138 mark. I thought it was a cheap call by the refs.

      I think this was the play that Kenyon fouled out on. If I remember correctly, he had just checked back in the game. Durant got the ball with Martin on him. Martin was playing him close, had his arms down…Durant did a sweep through with the ball and since Martin’s arm was down…refs had no choice but to blow the whistle. Just a smart play by Durant to recognize Martin’s arm position. It’s the kind of thing that Kobe does a lot, probably some other players too.

    44. joengai

      JC Knickfan: It was foul which initial call a flagrant 1.After review ref changed to just a regular foul. That was Martin 6th foul also.

      This is false– KMart’s 6th and final foul was right after he checked back in near the end of the game, like domiknick said. Cheap move by KD to draw it, but can’t blame him for being savvy.

    45. mr.JayP

      Count de Pennies: I’ll just go ahead and state what I know will be an unpopular opinion: I’ve come to despise Kevin Durant.

      Dude entered the NBA already anointed as The Next Big Thing by the suits in the league marketing office. No sooner had he set foot on an NBA floor for the first time than officials were treating him as if he were some priceless antiquity and opposing defenders unruly tourists at The Louvre.

      This utterly absurd “look but don’t touch” policy where Durant is concerned has been made even worse by the inflated sense of entitlement he’s developed as a result. He’s clearly come to expect the ridiculous whistle he gets and is no longer shy about expressing his displeasure when said policy is not rigorously enforced. That he’s second in the league in technical fouls is just a sick fucking joke.

      Making this especially sad is the fact that Durant is obviously a transcendent talent who would be great sans any kid gloves treatment from the league. But the hair trigger fouls – and the incessant whining when those fouls are not called – makes Thunder games well nigh unwatchable at times for me.

      Its a “Super-Star” league and KD and LbJ get the best whistles. period.

      As far as kd getting more technicals this year, its not due to the fact that he is complaining about not getting consistent calls, its that he is playing a lot more aggressive and a lot more vocal then previous years which unfortunately for him, lead to more techs.

      In his last 5 seasons he only had 12 technicals. thats pretty good.

      Now if we want to talk about crying about not getting calls, The knicks are in a completely other stratosphere then kd and the thunder.

    46. mr.JayP

      joengai: This is false– KMart’s 6th and final foul was right after he checked back in near the end of the game, like domiknick said. Cheap move by KD to draw it, but can’t blame him for being savvy.

      btw per the rules revision. Isnt that not considered a shooting motion? ive seen durant do that pretty regularly and go to the line.

    47. rohank

      joengai: This is false– KMart’s 6th and final foul was right after he checked back in near the end of the game, like domiknick said. Cheap move by KD to draw it, but can’t blame him for being savvy.

      Not savvy. I mentioned this last night but the league has specifically told the refs to stop calling that foul. Look at it again and you’ll see

    48. BigBlueAL

      This quote from Woodson last night on Melo scares the crap out of me:

      “I think he’s day to day. I think eventually he’ll be back on the floor playing.’’ Eventually?? Dear God.

    49. BigBlueAL

      rohank: Not savvy. I mentioned this last night but the league has specifically told the refs to stop calling that foul. Look at it again and you’ll see

      I think the NBA has told the refs not to give FT’s on that type of foul not to stop calling it a foul. Problem was last night the Knicks were over the limit already.

    50. nicos

      rohank: Not savvy. I mentioned this last night but the league has specifically told the refs to stop calling that foul. Look at it again and you’ll see

      It’s still a foul- they’re just not supposed to call it a shooting foul. The Knicks were over the limit at that point which is why Durant went to the line.

    51. Brian Cronin

      “I think he’s day to day. I think eventually he’ll be back on the floor playing.’’ Eventually?? Dear God.

      Yikes. A Knick coach using the term “eventually” is almost as dire as the Yankees telling you it is an 8-10 day injury. That is definitely not a good word to hear.

    52. DRed

      Brian Cronin: Yikes. A Knick coach using the term “eventually” is almost as dire as the Yankees telling you it is an 8-10 day injury. That is definitely not a good word to hear.

      I can’t wait to read that Carmelo is starting to shoot from flat ground

    53. Unreason

      Well they surely did get up for that game and despite the result I found it monstrously entertaining. OKC is so crazy good IMO they might end up being among the best I’ve ever seen. And right there in their face was JR freaky deaky f’n Smith lit up like an arc-light and dancing like a schoolkid and Tyson stuffing the ball deep down into people’s throats and Amare backing Ibaka the funk up and KMart making mean look so damn fine. Not expecting to win, the disappointment doesn’t have nearly the impact that the high points had. It made me believe the D might actually return.

    54. joengai

      rohank: Not savvy. I mentioned this last night but the league has specifically told the refs to stop calling that foul. Look at it again and you’ll see

      Look, i’m not defending Durant or that foul (i was pissed that Kmart was whistled for it)– but the fact remains that he DID draw the foul because he knew where and how Kmart was positioned. Cheap foul? Sure. Smart play? Definitely. Bullshit…for sure.

    55. Brian Cronin

      It is funny. It is impressive by Kobe to do so well but damn, it is kind of depressing to need him to go into beast mode to barely beat Toronto in overtime! And once again Nash misses a free throw at the end of the game.

    56. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin:
      It is funny. It is impressive by Kobe to do so well but damn, it is kind of depressing to need him to go into beast mode to barely beat Toronto in overtime! And once again Nash misses a free throw at the end of the game.

      Its even more depressing that the Knicks are 0-2 vs Toronto lol.

      Hey man at this point take any win you can get however you can get it. This Laker team w/o Pau, a clearly not 100% Howard and an old, declining fast Nash isnt that good a team. Considering the hole they dug for themselves and all the media scrutiny they were facing I would give them a decent amount of credit if they make the playoffs.

    57. jon abbey

      meanwhile the Celtics are 14-4 since Rondo went down and poised to maybe make a charge at the division. the Celtics and Lakers are like Freddy or Jason, THEY JUST WON’T DIE.

    58. Juany8

      jon abbey:
      meanwhile the Celtics are 14-4 since Rondo went down and poised to maybe make a charge at the division. the Celtics and Lakers are like Freddy or Jason, THEY JUST WON’T DIE.

      It’s incredible, but after their hot start the Warriors might end up missing the playoffs. Another team to watch out for is Dallas, Utah is in a bit of a slump too and the Mavericks have been a tough team since Dirk got properly healthy. Lakers are just 3 games back from the 6th seed actually, it’s certainly a climb with 20 games left but they might be able to avoid OKC in the first round at least.

    59. jon abbey

      I’ve been hoping GS would miss the playoffs for a while (I don’t want to live in a world where Mark Jackson is a good coach), but it’s still going to be tough for them to drop out entirely, now up 3 games with 21 left and a lot of home games. Bogut’s coming back seems to have really messed them up, plus they were due to fall back at least some.

      Juany8, remember when we had a brief back and forth on your statement that it would take 50 wins to make the playoffs in the West? ready to back off of that one yet? :)

    60. Z-man

      Went to the Nets game last night, have to say, the Barclays Center is super impressive, from the entryway to the scoreboard, viewing angles, court, sound and lighting, to the uniforms and logo, really nice job for the fans. I can’t imagine the big Russian having done much better as far as setting his team up for success is concerned. The team is flawed, but definitely a nice place to see a game.

    61. Z-man

      So my dream scenario for the Knicks is that we go 14-9 and clean up on conference teams, while the Pacers go 12-8, we win the tiebreaker by winning the next matchup and conference and get the 2 seed and match up vs. Atlanta.

      More likely scenario: we drop to the 4-5 seed and match up with either Chicago or Boston in the first round.

    62. Owen

      The fans have no clue though. Although i bet Deron hitting 11 threes got them excited….

      It was so strange watching a game there, so quiet….

      Z-man:
      Went to the Nets game last night, have to say, the Barclays Center is super impressive, from the entryway to the scoreboard, viewing angles, court, sound and lighting, to the uniforms and logo, really nice job for the fans. I can’t imagine the big Russian having done much better as far as setting his team up for success is concerned.The team is flawed, but definitely a nice place to see a game.

    63. Owen

      I think the Warriors were smoke and mirrors. Were outperforming pretty dramatically. The celtics have shocked me though.

      Juany8: It’s incredible, but after their hot start the Warriors might end up missing the playoffs. Another team to watch out for is Dallas, Utah is in a bit of a slump too and the Mavericks have been a tough team since Dirk got properly healthy. Lakers are just 3 games back from the 6th seed actually, it’s certainly a climb with 20 games left but they might be able to avoid OKC in the first round at least.

    64. Z-man

      Owen:
      The fans have no clue though. Although i bet Deron hitting 11 threes got them excited….

      It was so strange watching a game there, so quiet….

      Yeah, exactly, no energy at all really, although being up 22-2 after 10 seconds took all of the air out of the building.

      I do think that if they can make some noise in the playoffs, Brooklyn will support them way more than NJ did.

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