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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Mar 02 2012)

  • [New York Times] Steve Novak of Knicks Enjoys Hitting 3-Pointers (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 07:17:18 GMT)
    Overshadowed by Jeremy Lin’s breakout season, the Knicks’ Steve Novak is making a name for himself as one of the N.B.A.’s most accurate shooters from behind the 3-point line.

  • [New York Times] 50th Anniversary of a Scoring Feat That’s as Much Legend as Record (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 07:00:09 GMT)
    When Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points against the Knicks on March 2, 1962, he did so in front of no televisions cameras, few reporters and only 4,124 spectators.

  • [New York Times] Baron Davis Adapts to Limited Role With Knicks (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:48:16 GMT)
    Because he is recovering from a herniated disk in his back, Baron Davis is limited to 15 minutes a game, but he aims to make that limited court time worthwhile.

  • [New York Times] Durant Scores 38 as the Thunder Beat the Magic (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 04:32:15 GMT)
    Kevin Durant scored 38 points, and Russell Westbrook added 29 points and 10 rebounds as the Oklahoma City Thunder erased a 14-point deficit and held on to beat the host Orlando Magic, 105-102.

  • [New York Times] James Scores 38 in 107-93 Heat Win Over Blazers (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:26:36 GMT)
    LeBron James had 38 points and 11 rebounds and the Miami Heat resumed their season with a 107-93 rout of the Portland Trail Blazers on Thursday night, extending their winning streak to nine games.

  • [New York Times] Paul, Griffin Lead Clippers Past Kings 108-100 (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:41:24 GMT)
    Chris Paul had 22 points and nine assists, Blake Griffin added 14 points and nine rebounds and the Los Angeles Clippers cruised past the Sacramento Kings 108-100 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Durant Inspires Late Thunder Rally Past Magic (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 04:45:33 GMT)
    Kevin Durant led the league-leading Thunder to a seventh consecutive victory as Oklahoma City used an explosive fourth-quarter charge to rally for a 105-102 road victory over the Orlando Magic on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Hill, Suns Pull Away From Weary Minnesota 104-95 (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 04:59:27 GMT)
    Grant Hill scored 15 of his season-high 20 points in the second half and the Phoenix Suns pulled away to beat the weary Minnesota Timberwolves 104-95 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] The Closer: Barkley May Have a Point (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:07:30 GMT)
    Charles Barkley believes the main problem with Michael Jordan’s management of the Charlotte Bobcats is that he does not have anyone on staff who disagrees with him.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Taking Measure of James and Heat (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:14:01 GMT)
    The Heat have managed to put the disappointment of last June behind them and have emerged as the clear favorite heading into the second half of the abbreviated 2011-12 season.

  • [New York Times] Leading Off: Bryant’s Brain Cramp (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:15:03 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant lost more by playing after a concussion than by beating the Timberwolves, and college basketball legacies were all the news at U.C.L.A. and Northwestern.

  • [New York Daily News] Baron glad to Lin-corporate with Knicks (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 07:19:04 GMT)
    The pain in Baron Davis’ back was not going away, and there came a point in January when the veteran guard started believing that his condition was deteriorating and that suddenly his season was in jeopardy.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ Novak not shooting to start (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 03:24:55 GMT)
    Knicks sharpshooter Steve Novak stepped off the practice floor Thursday and immediately stopped any suggestion that he should shift from his reserve role to a starting position in light of the five 3-pointers he knocked down in Wednesday’s victory over the Cavaliers.

  • [New York Daily News] Hey Dolan! Don’t Lin-terfere with Knicks (Fri, 02 Mar 2012 01:50:56 GMT)
    Never mind that Jeremy Lin saved the Knicks’ season. His greatest feat, so far, may be that he has been keeping James Dolan, the great meddler, from picking up a phone to talk trade with another owner.

  • 29 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Mar 02 2012)

    1. art vandelay

      I know that the added marginal benefit of playing and living in NY for professional athletes in terms of off-the-court exposure/marketability versus other American cities has largely been debunked in recent years given the new digital internet-based age (or at least its advantages are now mitigated somewhat), at least for major stars like Lebron (although Knicks tried to show otherwise in their presentation to him in summer ´10), but I am wondering what impact Linsanity might have on Free Agents to be and their feelings toward playing in NYC now. Having Lin now opens up a completely new and different door to middle-of-the-road or slightly better players like B. Diddy, Novak, JR Smith just by virtue of their association with Lin. I have no means of quantifying what impact, if any, this might have on their potential endorsement worth by having access to the entire Chinese Market, but I hope maybe players, even if they are no longer willing necessarily to take a pay cut just to play in NY on a good team might be more drawn to the allure of associating themselves with Lin and his burgeoning brand. I know T-Mac made a ton of $ off the court from playing with Yao as someone astutely noted on this board some weeks back, but T-Mac was a major star at the time…not sure how Lin´s presence might positively accrue to good but not great players on his team as far as brand-growth potential is concerned.

    2. Brian Cronin

      Speaking of Novak, I was reading an interview with him the other day and he was talking about how he’s always wanted to play in D’Antoni’s system. Which got me thinking, “Why didn’t the Knicks sign him earlier?” It’s not like the guy wasn’t available the last two years.

    3. jon abbey

      Brian Cronin:
      Speaking of Novak, I was reading an interview with him the other day and he was talking about how he’s always wanted to play in D’Antoni’s system. Which got me thinking, “Why didn’t the Knicks sign him earlier?” It’s not like the guy wasn’t available the last two years.

      Donnie Walsh=overrated.

    4. art vandelay

      Donnie Walsh, whether overrated or not, also hired D´antoni, so indirectly he would be responsible somewhat for Knicks acquiring players who signed with them over other options due to the allure of D´antoni´s offensive system.

    5. Grymm

      I doubt signing Novak who was a mostly un-utilized specialist was ever a significant priority. I’m sure there are several other 3pt snipers in the NBA not seeing any court time either.

      Somewhat related question – if I wanted a Novak jersey, where might I get one? Do I need to buy a custom jersey?

    6. David Crockett

      jon abbey: Donnie Walsh=overrated.

      Do you really think so? He always struck me as a guy who was rated about right (which is rare). His teams won enough to be respected, but not so much as to create many enemies. He got/gets a lot of adoration in NY primarily for being a guy who just made the trains run on time when that is precisely what the team needed. But I don’t hear anyone suggesting that he’s any kind of savant or innovator. I’m not in NY, so maybe the local buzz is different.

    7. Brian Cronin

      Actually, looking into Novak’s situation, I should apologize to the Knicks.

      He was under contract to Los Angeles until last season, and he signed with two teams (Dallas and then when Dallas cut him, San Antonio) that he likely felt could win a championship. So the Knicks likely did try to sign him last year, they just couldn’t get him. Note that even this year, they got him by claiming him on waivers. If he was a free agent, he might have ended up in Miami, Chicago or OKC (he’d fit in really nicely in OKC).

      So my apologies, Knicks front office!

    8. jon abbey

      David Crockett: Do you really think so? He always struck me as a guy who was rated about right (which is rare). His teams won enough to be respected, but not so much as to create many enemies. He got/gets a lot of adoration in NY primarily for being a guy who just made the trains run on time when that is precisely what the team needed. But I don’t hear anyone suggesting that he’s any kind of savant or innovator. I’m not in NY, so maybe the local buzz is different.

      you’re pretty much right, I’ll just never forgive him for so badly botching the 2009 draft and killing the last chance we had to put additional young building blocks in place to try to help sway LeBron to come here.

    9. art vandelay

      Would Brandon Jennings or Ty Lawson really have convinced Lebron to come here? C´mon, LBJ, Wade and Bosh were in cahoots since probably the 2008 Olympics to play together, and since Wade was already in Miami, I think they were pretty much going there all along regardless of whom the Knicks drafted in 2009!!!

    10. jon abbey

      art vandelay:
      Would Brandon Jennings or Ty Lawson really have convinced Lebron to come here? C´mon, LBJ, Wade and Bosh were in cahoots since probably the 2008 Olympics to play together, and since Wade was already in Miami, I think they were pretty much going there all along regardless of whom the Knicks drafted in 2009!!!

      this has become conventional wisdom since The Decision, but I never believed it. I don’t think LeBron fully made up his mind until the full-court press from Riley and Wade that summer.

    11. Brian Cronin

      I would agree that he did not fully make up his mind until the summer of 2009, but it was pretty damn close. And yes, I would also tend to agree that Ty Lawson and DeJuan Blair don’t bring Lebron to New York (and you have to wonder which of those two would have been traded to get rid of Jared Jeffries’ contract to get the cap space for Lebron and another MAX).

    12. Thomas B.

      jon abbey:

      you’re pretty much right, I’ll just never forgive him for so badly botching the 2009 draft and killing the last chance we had to put additional young building blocks in place to try to help sway LeBron to come here.

      Can’t argue with that. I can’t think of any way the 2009 draft could have been handled any worse. Well, I guess if the Wolves passed on Flynn taking Curry instead, Donnie might have drafted Flynn. Hmmm. Flynn v. Jordan is probably a push. TDDWTDD used to be the one bright spot of the 2009 draft but lately….

      Why did you bring this up? That draft makes me so angry. Now I’m angry. Thanks for ruining my day.

    13. Thomas B.

      “On June 24, 2009, Minnesota acquired the 5th pick, Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila and Oleksiy Pecherov from Washington in exchange for Randy Foye and Mike Miller. Minnesota used the 5th pick to draft Ricky Rubio.”
      http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/Wolves_Acquire_the_No_5_Pick_-090624.html. Retrieved June 24, 2009.

      Seriously? You mean to tell me that in 2009 we had nothing better than Randy Foye and Mike Miller to offer? Nothing? You mean to tell me that Washington would not have taken Wilson Chandler and 2009 first rounder? Not that I was sold on Rubio at the time, but i would have done that for Curry. (I hope I would have, let me check the archives).

    14. Grymm

      So I wanted to quantitatively look at how the 2009 draft went. I took the first round and recorded everyone’s career PER and WS/48. I tossed out Victor Claver who hasn’t played. I then normalized the PERs and WS values against the average of the remaining 29 players. Plotted 1-29, the sum of the two values for each pick are extremely sporadic.

      If you assume a basic trendline that should degrade from pick 1 down to 30, Ty Lawson was definitely the best pick. He has the third best career numbers while being the 18th pick. However, maybe he just represents a home run. Jerome Jordan’s numbers come in better than picks 2 (Thabeet), 4 (Evans), and 6 (Flynn). He’s only slightly behind Rubio at 5 but Rubio is just having his rookie season now so that’s likely irrelevant.

      Additionally, what jumps out is how bad picks 6 (Flynn), 11 (Terrence Williams), and 14 (Earl Clark) seem. Jordan outperforms picks 9-12 and 14-17. Jordan just looks to be an extremely middle of the pack pick. He certainly wasn’t the home run that Ty Lawson was but he’s got better numbers than Thabeet and Flynn (who evaluates as awful in this method).

      Toney Douglas at 29 looks to be a pretty good pick.

      When you put Jordan in a streak of picks that are: Wilson Chandler, Danilo Galinari, Jordan, Douglas (purchased), Landry Fields (2nd), Iman Shumpert, and Jorts (2nd) – he’s just not that good a pick. But he also doesn’t seem to be an absolute failure. He seems worse because Ty Lawson was still on the board.

    15. Grymm

      Crap – I repeatedly refer to Jordan Hill as Jerome Jordan.

      Grymm: So I wanted to quantitatively look at how the 2009 draft went. I took the first round and recorded everyone’s career PER and WS/48. I tossed out Victor Claver who hasn’t played. I then normalized the PERs and WS values against the average of the remaining 29 players. Plotted 1-29, the sum of the two values for each pick are extremely sporadic.If you assume a basic trendline that should degrade from pick 1 down to 30, Ty Lawson was definitely the best pick. He has the third best career numbers while being the 18th pick. However, maybe he just represents a home run. Jordan Hill’s numbers come in better than picks 2 (Thabeet), 4 (Evans), and 6 (Flynn). He’s only slightly behind Rubio at 5 but Rubio is just having his rookie season now so that’s likely irrelevant. Additionally, what jumps out is how bad picks 6 (Flynn), 11 (Terrence Williams), and 14 (Earl Clark) seem. Jordan Hill outperforms picks 9-12 and 14-17. Hill just looks to be an extremely middle of the pack pick. He certainly wasn’t the home run that Ty Lawson was but he’s got better numbers than Thabeet and Flynn (who evaluates as awful in this method). Toney Douglas at 29 looks to be a pretty good pick.When you put Hill in a streak of picks that are: Wilson Chandler, Danilo Galinari, Hill, Douglas (purchased), Landry Fields (2nd), Iman Shumpert, and Jorts (2nd) – he’s just not that good a pick. But he also doesn’t seem to be an absolute failure. He seems worse because Ty Lawson was still on the board.

    16. jon abbey

      Linsanity shows anyone who wasn’t already aware just how desperate NY has been for a PG for what seems like decades now. on top of the league being so PG-driven these days, NY has always been a city that appreciates strong PG play. Walsh is a NYer, he should have known this as well as anyone, and to pick a PF with so many starter-level PGs still on the board was unforgivable IMO.

      Walsh took a job with pretty much no margin for error, he knew that coming in. he did OK overall, but not as well as he needed to IMO.

      and yeah, Thomas B has a good point also about trading up for Curry or Rubio (and Rubio desperately wanted to be in NY).

    17. Thomas B.

      God I love me.

      “Thomas B. says:
      June 23, 2009 at 9:34 pm (Edit)
      If Curry and Evans are gone by the 8th, and we can’t trade up to get Rubio then I say just take Lawson at 8. I know it sounds crazy but if Lawson turns out to be a solid starter/contributer then who will care that we took him 8th? I do NOT like the idea of trading Chandler to get Lawson when we could just take him for free at 8. We don’t have to take Flynn or Jennings just because draft sites and conventional wisdom says they rank higher. Get the player you think is the best fit and who you think can contribute. If we want to address the PG, then take Lawson 8th. It’s just the kind of gutsy move (if it works) that few GM’s have the guts to do.”

    18. Z-man

      Why are we still lamenting that draft? It was obvious then that we could eventually pick up a scrub from the D-League that was better than any of those guys:

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=lawsoty01&y1=2012&p2=linje01&y2=2012&p3=jennibr01&y3=2012&p4=rubiori01&y4=2012&p5=curryst01&y5=2012

      As Candide told us, everything always works out for the best. In the aftermath of The Decision, did anyone expect to be in a better place than we are right now? Let’s enjoy!!! Starting with, KICK SOME CELTIC BUT ON SUNDAY!!!

    19. Z-man

      BTW, I personally am SOOOOOO happy that we didn’t draft Jennings. That dude is fool’s gold. Donnie was updet that he wasn’t scouted correctly, and as it turned out, he actually was.

    20. dubisaweapon

      Z-man:
      Why are we still lamenting that draft? It was obvious then that we could eventually pick up a scrub from the D-League that was better than any of those guys:

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=lawsoty01&y1=2012&p2=linje01&y2=2012&p3=jennibr01&y3=2012&p4=rubiori01&y4=2012&p5=curryst01&y5=2012

      If we had drafted Jennings, Lawson, or Rubio chances are we’d never been treated to Linsanity. Maybe it’s dumb luck, but sometimes it’s better to be lucky then good.

    21. Z

      jon abbey: Walsh=overrated… I’ll just never forgive him for so badly botching the 2009 draft and killing the last chance we had to put additional young building blocks in place to try to help sway LeBron to come here.

      At least you are consistent in your not caring about one’s body of work when evaluating their worth! :)

    22. Z

      Thomas B.: You mean to tell me that in 2009 we had nothing better than Randy Foye and Mike Miller to offer? Nothing?You mean to tell me that Washington would not have taken Wilson Chandler and 2009 first rounder?Not that I was sold on Rubio at the time, but i would have done that for Curry.(I hope I would have, let me check the archives).

      Donnie actually did offer Chandler for the #5 pick.

      http://community.msgnetwork.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/55310655/m/295100892

      Remember, Washington was in “win now” mode at the time. They had Arenas, Jamison, and Butler signed to long term deals. They wanted to trade the #5 pick for proven players that would help them immediately. Chandler replicated Caron Butler, and they had no use for the #8 pick, so it’s not shocking that they went with Mike Miller, who was way better than Chandler at the time.

      (The Wizards got really fucked by Jarvis Crittendon and his poker partner. Knick fans can complain about the run of bad luck/ownership we’ve endured for 12 years (over now!!), but what has happened to franchises like Washington and Portland recently must be really agonizing for their fans.)

    23. jon abbey

      dubisaweapon: If we had drafted Jennings, Lawson, or Rubio chances are we’d never been treated to Linsanity.Maybe it’s dumb luck, but sometimes it’s better to be lucky then good.

      I’d trade Lin for Rubio in a second, MIN can have Fields too if they want.

    24. dubisaweapon

      jon abbey: I’d trade Lin for Rubio in a second, MIN can have Fields too if they want.

      I’m not quite sure I believe this. You’d really trade the guy who arguably saved the Knicks season?

      Besides, in what way is Rubio such an upgrade over Lin? The numbers don’t support this:

      http://bkref.com/tiny/2E5px

      They’re just about equal, except Lin is a much better scorer.

    25. Thomas B.

      Z:

      Donnie actually did offer Chandler for the #5 pick Remember, Washington was in “win now” mode at the time. They had Arenas, Jamison, and Butler signed to long term deals. They wanted to trade the #5 pick for proven players that would help them immediately. Chandler replicated Caron Butler, and they had no use for the #8 pick, so it’s not shocking that they went with Mike Miller, who was way better than Chandler at the time.

      (The Wizards got really fucked by Jarvis Crittendon and his poker partner. Knick fans can complain about the run of bad luck/ownership we’ve endured for 12 years (over now!!), but what has happened to franchises like Washington and Portland recently must be really agonizing for their fans.)

      Fair enough. I forgot that just three years ago the Wizards were in win now mode. God that fell apart in a hurry. I forgot about that. Miller might have been better but Randy Foye never was–except when he played the Knicks. If the Wiz had taken Chandler then used the 8th pick on Derouzan, they could have released Javaris before the season started. Then there are no card games, no money owed, no guns drwan, no suspensions, no blow ups, and the Wiz would be the 11th worst team in the NBA instead of the 3rd.

    26. Z

      Thomas B.: Fair enough. I forgot that just three years ago the Wizards were in win now mode. God that fell apart in a hurry. I forgot about that.Miller might have been better but Randy Foye never was–except when he played the Knicks.If the Wiz had taken Chandler then used the 8th pick on Derouzan, they could have released Javaris before the season started.Then there are no card games, no money owed, no guns drwan, no suspensions, no blow ups, and the Wiz would be the 11th worst team in the NBA instead of the 3rd.

      Sounds like an “Unsung Wizards History” article. Pitch it to WizzerBlogger!

    27. Brian Cronin

      Donnie actually did offer Chandler for the #5 pick

      I don’t believe we ever got confirmation that he actually did do that. Just rumors. Heck, officially I am pretty sure the Knicks denied the rumors (or the Wizards did – one of the two).

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