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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Jul 12 2013)

  • [New York Times] Nets Are Said to Have Struck a Deal With Kirilenko (Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:39:21 GMT)
    The Nets were said to have signed Andrei Kirilenko, one of the last gems on the free-agent market, to a two-year contract after talks with Bojan Bogdanovic and Kyle Korver fell through.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks Try to Keep Pace in Beefed-Up Eastern Conference (Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:22:03 GMT)
    Glen Grunwald acknowledged that it would most likely be difficult for the Knicks, who have made only one off-season move, to match the success of last season.    

  • [New York Times] Peace Out: Lakers Waive Metta World Peace (Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:07:22 GMT)
    It’s Peace out for the Los Angeles Lakers.    

  • [New York Daily News] Bargnani hopes for la dolce vita (Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:53:35 GMT)
    Andrea Bargnani is the Knicks’ newest international man of mystery — as in can the Italian salvage his career with the Knicks or will he booed out of New York the way he was booed out of Toronto.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks may give Peace chance (Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:29:43 GMT)
    The Knicks passed on Ron Artest in the 1999 NBA draft and now all these years later the chance to sign Metta World Peace may be too good to turn down.    

  • [New York Post] Bargnani all about winning after ‘weird’ years in Toronto (Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:51:05 -0500)
    LAS VEGAS — Andrea Bargnani is thrilled to get out of a “weird” situation in Toronto with a chance at new life as a Knick.
    Saying he is “really starving to win,” the enigmatic 7-foot center from Rome believes he is joining a franchise destined to go far in the playoffs…

  • [New York Post] Knicks hoping to add Lakers SF (Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:24:12 -0500)
    LAS VEGAS — Mike Woodson said Knicks fans should preach patience as they wait for Peace.
    It’s official! Metta World Peace, the former Ron Artest, was waived via the amnesty rule Thursday night by the Lakers, partially paving the way for him to finally come home and become a Knick…

  • 67 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Jul 12 2013)

    1. TDM

      On the previous board, someone mentioned Artest possibly signing with the Clips. The more I think about it, that makes the most sense for him. He gets to play for a contender. He gets to stick it to the Lakers. And most importantly, he doesn’t have to uproot his kids, which is the reason why he is considering retiring. Sucks to say it, but I think the Knicks are out of luck again.

    2. Hubert

      That would continue an excellent offseason for the Clips. I don’t know that he necessarily hates/wants to stick it to the Lakers, though.

      But the perfect bookend to his career would be if it appears we’re the front runners to sign him and then he ends up taking a bigger contract from the French league.

    3. ess-dog

      I’m not as pumped about the Artest thing as many here. He’s been dismal in the playoffs lately. I wouldn’t mind him at the vet min, but I’d just as soon get a guy like Alan Anderson or Gelabale instead.
      I do think Nate Robinson is worth a look for the vet min as well, and I’m really surprised that we’re not going stronger after kmart – he played well for us in his time here.

      The Nets signing AK is rough, but I still think we have a shot at being as good as that team:

      Felton/Prig
      Shump/JR
      Melo/cheap sf
      Stat/Bargs
      Chandler/Kmart

      Nate
      Leslie
      TH2
      Jordan
      pipe Jr.

    4. thenamestsam

      jon abbey:
      honestly, the Nets could sweep the Knicks in the playoffs, go on to win a title, and a good chunk of the people here would still be like “dunno why they get all this media attention”.

      So much this. The Kirilenko thing is a freaking heist for them. Not only is it getting a ~$10M a year player for the mini-mid level but it’s almost a perfect fit in terms of style – another defensive guy who doesn’t look to score the ball on O is a perfect match with Pierce and Joe Johnson on the wings. They have a ton of interesting lineups they can throw out there now. It’s a great signing and while they’re going to be extremely susceptible to injury if they’re relatively healthy I think they’re clearly the biggest threat to Miami in the conference. That’s an extremely talented roster.

    5. danvt

      Eternal OptiKnist: Man, i love hearing shump talk. He just oozes high-IQ, confidence and leadership.

      This is right on. He represents our hope for this year. If he steps up to an all NBA level and our other top seven players stay healthy and have career level years, then we have as good a chance as any to get a crack at MIA in the ECF. Artest, Brand, Kmart, N8, are nice players but if they play major minutes for the Knicks we’re toast. We’re so used to makeshift lineups I don’t think anyone can remember that it is possible to actually have your core eight make it through the season. Even if we had a good cap situation we couldn’t afford to bring in established NBA vets for spots 9-15.

      Hopefully Grunwald can find us another Chris Copeland. He’s done really well with his vet minimum deals. Hopefully one of the four guys above falls to us as a perfect “break glass in case of emergency” (no Amar’e pun intended) type player, but we know who our team is and should keep it in mind as we fill out our roster.

    6. KnickfaninNJ

      The Nets are definitely scarier than last year. The Knicks at least will have a year together as a team with most guys returning. I hope that’s an edge for them.

    7. Frank

      thenamestsam: if they’re relatively healthy I think they’re clearly the biggest threat to Miami in the conference. That’s an extremely talented roster.

      Absolutely — they easily go 10 deep now (DWill, JJ, Pierce, KG, Lopez, AK47, Blatche, Terry, Livingston, Evans) with veteran guys that you can rely on in the playoffs. It will be interesting to see how JKidd wants to treat the regular season. Guys like Pierce and Garnett should probably play no more than 28 minutes/night to make sure they’re fresh for the playoffs.

      Will be even more interesting to see how/if the NBA investigates this AK47 thing. He easily could have commanded a 3 year $25M contract but instead took about a third of that. My guess is that nothing will come of it — but that other owners will look for ways to pay guys under the table.

    8. prezs2reprsntme

      its not AS BAD, but if ray allen can play for miami for 3 mil a year when he coulda earned 7 at least (look at ginobli) and play starter minutes…and not be investigated…nothing will come of the AK stuff.

    9. Hubert

      The Nets have two major problems that most people are overlooking:

      1. The pieces don’t fit together defensively.

      2. The pieces don’t fit together mentally. Deron Williams is not taking a back seat to anyone. KG & Pierce aren’t taking a back seat to Deron Williams. Good luck with that, brand new coach.

    10. Frank

      Something to watch for today — Tyrus Thomas’s 48h waiver period ends sometime today I think. He’d be a reasonable pickup if he gets through.

    11. thenamestsam

      Frank: Absolutely — they easily go 10 deep now (DWill, JJ, Pierce, KG, Lopez, AK47, Blatche, Terry, Livingston, Evans) with veteran guys that you can rely on in the playoffs.It will be interesting to see how JKidd wants to treat the regular season. Guys like Pierce and Garnett should probably play no more than 28 minutes/night to make sure they’re fresh for the playoffs.

      Will be even more interesting to see how/if the NBA investigates this AK47 thing. He easily could have commanded a 3 year $25M contract but instead took about a third of that.My guess is that nothing will come of it — but that other owners will look for ways to pay guys under the table.

      I think Kidd is the big question mark there. During the regular season as long as he doesn’t go crazy Thibs on them I suspect he can’t mess things up much – and he really doesn’t seem likely to be the all-out balls to the wall type so I wouldn’t be too worried about that. But we all saw first hand how a little tactical naivety can really bite you in the ass in a closely matched playoff series, and we had a coach in his 8th season. The top tier in the East has some very good coaches (and Mike Woodson) and they’re going to need Kidd to hold his own in those series.

      As far as AK-47 unless they were dumb enough to take notes on a criminal conspiracy (as discussed last night) I don’t know what the league can do. And if I were wagering on any owner to have good ideas about how to do something like that quietly and effectively I’d put all my chips on Prokhorov. One question I have in all of this is who’s AK-47’s agent? One reason I suspect players getting paid under the table doesn’t happen much is that the agent would miss out on their cut – and you know they aren’t going to like that.

    12. thenamestsam

      Hubert:
      The Nets have two major problems that most people are overlooking:

      1. The pieces don’t fit together defensively.

      2. The pieces don’t fit together mentally.Deron Williams is not taking a back seat to anyone.KG & Pierce aren’t taking a back seat to Deron Williams.Good luck with that, brand new coach.

      I think 1 is almost entirely addressed by the Kirilenko signing. His flexibility on that end is enormous – more than just about anyone in the league outside of Lebron. If KG is healthy and Kidd has some idea what he’s doing they’ll be fine defensively.

      2 reads a lot more like idle speculation than a major problem to me. Joe Johnson took a lot of the last minute shots last year so I’m not sure how that fits with the “Deron Williams is not taking a back seat to anyone” talk which is based on…what exactly? How well do you really think you know these guys that you’re capable of saying that their mental fit is going to be a major problem?

    13. ephus

      On Kenyon Martin, because the Knicks only hold Non-Bird Rights, they can offer him only a 20% increase over last year’s salary (vet’s minimum). So that would be roughly $1.6 million. That is also (AFAIK) roughly what they have left on the mini-MLE, so that avenue is closed.

      If K-Mart wants to be a Knick, he has to take $1.6 million for next year. They could offer him a 2 year contract with the second year as a player option (@ $1.7 million), but that would cut into next year’s cap room.

    14. ephus

      On the Nets, the big issue that I see is that they really are lacking in quickness/athleticism. Some teams in the East (DC & Cleveland) may run them out of the building during the regular season.

      But, during the playoffs, when the pace slows down, the Nets are going to be formidable.

    15. Z

      danvt: This is right on. If [Shumpert] steps up to an all NBA level and our other top seven players stay healthy and have career level years, then we have as good a chance as any to get a crack at MIA in the ECF.

      If this is the criteria for contending, then it is no wonder that the Knicks aren’t even on that ESPN poll as an option.

    16. flossy

      Z: If this is the criteria for contending, then it is no wonder that the Knicks aren’t even on that ESPN poll as an option.

      What? We only have to guess every lottery number right!

    17. Hubert

      thenamestsam:

      2 reads a lot more like idle speculation than a major problem to me. Joe Johnson took a lot of the last minute shots last year so I’m not sure how that fits with the “Deron Williams is not taking a back seat to anyone” talk which is based on…what exactly? How well do you really think you know these guys that you’re capable of saying that their mental fit is going to be a major problem?

      I can’t say it’s not speculation. It’s certainly not scientific.

      Last year, though, it doesn’t matter who took the last second shots. Joe Johnson was the secondary player to Deron Williams.

      I personally don’t see Deron Williams as the kind of guy who is going to command more respect than KG and Pierce. And I don’t see him as the kind of guy who is going to cede his top dog status easily. I see problems there. Maybe it’s wishful thinking, I don’t know.

      Also, I just don’t think Deron Williams is that good.

    18. Garson

      Hubert:
      The Nets have two major problems that most people are overlooking:

      1. The pieces don’t fit together defensively.

      2. The pieces don’t fit together mentally.Deron Williams is not taking a back seat to anyone.KG & Pierce aren’t taking a back seat to Deron Williams.Good luck with that, brand new coach.

      I disagree on #2. I think there are 2 players who can create a “team first” atmosphere in which otherwise cancerous personalities are subdued.

      Duncan and Garnett.

      I think once Deron picks up what Garnett is all about… he can be a very different player. Also, i am unconvinced on Kidds coaching tactics, however he does have the respect of the players.

      I feel like Kidd is to Deron as Woodson was to Melo. After Melo got D’ Antoni fired, he knew that he needed to make it work with Woodson to calm the notion of him being a coach killer. The same will be with Deron.

    19. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Hubert: I can’t say it’s not speculation.It’s certainly not scientific.

      Last year, though, it doesn’t matter who took the last second shots.Joe Johnson was the secondary player to Deron Williams.

      I personally don’t see Deron Williams as the kind of guy who is going to command more respect than KG and Pierce.And I don’t see him as the kind of guy who is going to cede his top dog status easily.I see problems there.Maybe it’s wishful thinking, I don’t know.

      Also, I just don’t think Deron Williams is that good.

      Yeah I just was having a heated debate with my buddy last night about this. He’s convinced that they are significantly better than us (if healthy, of course) and that we should be terrified of them. Maybe I’m being delusional, but I’m on the other side of the fence. I see a creaky, slow group with at least the potential for chemistry/synergy issues and a rookie head coach who may take some time to figure out how to effectively manage some outsized personalities. Further, and I think this is just another way of phrasing what you were saying about Deron and “top dog status”, there is something to be said for having too many cooks in the kitchen without one clear voice of leadership.

    20. chrisk06811

      I agree w/ Ephus, but I think the Nets are solving a little of their quickness problem, plus their age, with their remarkable depth. They are 11 deep and really only weak at backup PG. I wonder if they take the celtics approach and sacrifice offensive rebounds in order to get back on D. If you count Jet and Blatche, they have 8 guys who can legitimately score…that should really help in the playoffs. To get more defensive, they go “small” with pierce, kirilenko and garnett.

    21. TDM

      Frank: Something to watch for today — Tyrus Thomas’s 48h waiver period ends sometime today I think. He’d be a reasonable pickup if he gets through.

      The problem with Tyrus is that he has all the physical gifts of KMart, but never fulfilled his potential. I wonder if he still has room to develop if he were mentored by guys like KMart and Chandler.

      What about a guy like Wes Johnson. Lottery pick that hasn’t lived up to the hype either, but he’s 3 years younger and a true SF. He’s always played for losing teams so maybe too much was expected of him. That one year in Syracuse, the guy was unbelievable. Maybe having Melo mentor him would do some good. Just a thought.

    22. Loathing

      Just for the record guys, the whole AK47 signing is probably because of wanting to play for a Russian owner. (Besides, Kirilenko can get a pad in Brighton Beach now :P)

    23. Hubert

      Garson: I disagree on #2. I think there are 2 players who can create a “team first” atmosphere in which otherwise cancerous personalities are subdued.

      Duncan and Garnett.

      In order to do that, the cancerous personality must surrender to Garnett and Duncan. In fact, Duncan is a terrible example. He’s always been the man in San Antonio. Either fall in line behind him, or get out. KG was able to pull this off in 2008, but Pierce and Allen were ready and willing to cede alpha dog status. Those guys were older, more mature, and had a track record of at least seeming to be more about winning than ego.

      Deron Williams has no such record. Deron Williams is a prima donna and a coach killer. This is “his house”. He has the full backing of the owner, too, so he’s not going to lose an argument. I just don’t see him as the kind of guy who wants to fall in line behind someone else. To me, this is far more likely to end up like Kobe and Howard than Pierce, Allen and Garnett.

      And again: Deron Williams isn’t that good. There isn’t a top 20 player on that roster except maybe Brook Lopez. But he’s going to be on the pine a lot in the 4Q because he can’t pair with KG on the defensive end.

    24. Hubert

      thenamestsam: I think 1 is almost entirely addressed by the Kirilenko signing.

      I think Kirilenko helps, but he certainly doesn’t solve them. The plus is he can replace Lopez (who doesn’t fit well defensively with KG at all). But look how this matches up if we play our best 5:

      Felton/Prigs – Deron
      Shumpert/JR – Johnson
      Melo – Pierce – hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
      Amar’e – Kirilenko
      Chandler – Garnett

      If you want to get Kirilenko on Melo (just as amusing) simply swap JR in for Amar’e. You don’t even need to run switches to get mismatches

      And Jesus, do we even want to look at how they would match up against Miami?

      I do.

      Chalmers/Cole – Williams
      Allen – Johnson/Pierce?
      Wade – Pierce/Johnson?
      LeBron – Kirilenko????????
      Bosh – Garnett

      Again, Lopez can’t play in these lineups. I know no one matches up well with Miami, but that’s flat out laughable. This team has no defense for three guard lineups. And unlike Indiana, their five guys can’t punish you on the boards for your decision to go small.

      We’re not talking about mismatches on your 5th guy, like Indiana and Memphis deal with when they hide West/Randolph on a 2 guard. If you’re best guy is a guy like Melo or LeBron who can play the 3 and/or 4, the Nets are built to give you a mismatch at your #1 option!!!

      I don’t see how that’s not going to hurt.

    25. danvt

      Z: If this is the criteria for contending, then it is no wonder that the Knicks aren’t even on that ESPN poll as an option.

      Ye, I would say it’s a long shot, but, if we win it’ll be because of Tyson Chandler and Carmelo Anthony. Chandler has to beat Brook Lopez. Melo has to beat Kevin Garnett. Shumpert has to beat Pierce. JR has to beat JJ. Our PGs have to Make Deron take outside shots.

      As to the benches, that’s what all of these conversations have been about. A great bench player can make a difference in a critical tilt so, please come home Ronny. Other than that I like those matchups above.

    26. thenamestsam

      Hubert: I think Kirilenko helps, but he certainly doesn’t solve them.The plus is he can replace Lopez (who doesn’t fit well defensively with KG at all).But look how this matches up if we play our best 5:

      Felton/Prigs – Deron
      Shumpert/JR – Johnson
      Melo – Pierce– hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
      Amar’e – Kirilenko
      Chandler – Garnett

      If you want to get Kirilenko on Melo (just as amusing) simply swap JR in for Amar’e.You don’t even need to run switches to get mismatches

      I guess I don’t understand why you think they’d go small to match up with a standard lineup from us. Put Brook on Chandler, KG on Amare, Kirilenko on Melo and the matchups are fine for them. I’m not sure why Kirilenko on Melo makes you laugh uproariously. Kirilenko is an excellent defensive player. Melo will still get his because he’s amazing offensively, but Kirilenko is probably a top-10 to 15 wing defender in the league. Why do you find that matchup particularly bad?

      I think your stronger point is about truly top-level talent (in comment 26). They have 9 or 10 legit guys and 6 of those are in the range from “legitimate all-star” to “strong starter”. But they don’t really have the (at least) one top-line guy that defines most true contenders in the league. Then again that’s not so different from Indiana and they did alright this past year.

    27. Z

      danvt

      please come home Ronny.

      I would love for Ronny to come home. Favorite Knick of recent memory. But someone said in a previous thread that he signed with Minnesota.

    28. Z

      Oh, wait, you probably meant Ron Artest. (Yeah, he’s NOT my favorite Knick of recent memory:)

    29. Hubert

      thenamestsam:Put Brook on Chandler, KG on Amare, Kirilenko on Melo and the matchups are fine for them.

      Simply switch JR for Amar’e and that option is gone. But more importantly, KG needs to be protecting the rim and defending pick and rolls or he’s lost the majority of his reason for being on the court. If you’re talking strictly one-on-one basketball, Lopez on Chandler and KG on Amar’e makes sense, but they would want KG on Tyson for the pick and roll defense and the ability to defend the rim, IMO.

      As for AK, I consider Kirilenko a very good team defender but I don’t consider him a strong one-on-one perimeter defender. I certainly wouldn’t feel comfortable if he was my number 1 option against Melo or LeBron. It’s probably better than having Pierce try to guard Melo all game, though.

    30. Hubert

      Of course, I’m assuming Tyson Chandler returns to form. If he plays like he did in the playoffs, they wouldn’t give a sh** who guarded him.

    31. d-mar

      Hubert:
      Of course, I’m assuming Tyson Chandler returns to form.If he plays like he did in the playoffs, they wouldn’t give a sh** who guarded him.

      It all depends on what freakin’ mystery illness he’s recovering from in next year’s playoffs. Or maybe he’s developed an immunity having had the flu 25 times since joining the Knicks.

    32. flossy

      Hubert: As for AK, I consider Kirilenko a very good team defender but I don’t consider him a strong one-on-one perimeter defender. I certainly wouldn’t feel comfortable if he was my number 1 option against Melo or LeBron. It’s probably better than having Pierce try to guard Melo all game, though.

      I think you’re way underrating him. The only other players to average more than 1.5 seals and 3 blocks per game in multiple seasons are David Robinson, Hakeem and Ben Wallace. He’s good at pretty much every facet of defense.

      Melo has historically played him pretty well, though.

    33. Hubert

      I don’t mean to knock Kirilenko. I think he is an excellent defender but I don’t consider him a good matchup against Melo, LeBron, Durant. No one is, but he seems a step slow to me. Perhaps there are synergy numbers that make this assertion foolish, I don’t know.

      Even if you concede he can guard that caliber player well, they still appear extremely vulnerable to three guard lineups because Pierce and Johnson are just not two guys you want defending the wings for 30+ minutes. And Deron Williams isn’t someone I’d be excited about guarding 1’s, either.

      And I still don’t see how KG and Lopez are going to work defensively. If we went Felton-Shump-JR-Melo-Chandler, one of those two guys is stuck guarding Melo on the perimeter. Your best case scenario there is trying to hide Lopez on Shumpert.

    34. danvt

      Z: I would love for Ronny to come home. Favorite Knick of recent memory. But someone said in a previous thread that he signed with Minnesota.

      I was talking about Artest.

    35. er

      Hubert:

      And I still don’t see how KG and Lopez are going to work defensively. If we went Felton-Shump-JR-Melo-Chandler, one of those two guys is stuck guarding Melo on the perimeter.Your best case scenario there is trying to hide Lopez on Shumpert.

      Dont tell that to the analyst types slurping the Nets currently. Also i dont think AK47 has the foot speed to play great d on sf anymore. So if he gives space he will get the pipe….uh i mean jump shot

    36. d-mar

      er: Dont tell that to the analyst types slurping the Nets currently. Also i dont think AK47 has the foot speed to play great d on sf anymore. So if he gives space he will get the pipe….uh i mean jump shot

      Just today I heard on sports talk radio that the Nets will win 60 games and the Knicks will never get past the 1st round.

      Should we play the season out or forfeit?

    37. TDM

      As expected, DAL chasing Dalembert. This may mean that they also lost out of Oden to the Heat or Spurs. Either way, Knicks had better lock up KMart soon.

      Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
      Mavs had all-day meetings Thursday w/free-agent center Samuel Dalembert culminating in dinner w/team officials. Sides still negotiating

    38. danvt

      danvt: Felton-Shump-JR-Melo-Chandler

      Right this is probably the Knicks best lineup. In that scenario, Shumpert is on Pierce, Garnett is on Melo, Lopez is on Chandler, JR is on JJ and Felton is on Williams. Knicks 4, Celtics, I mean New Jersey, 1.

      What it all comes down to is the following. Who is in the gym and who’s on the beach. Are guys like DWill and Carmelo ready to take their game to new levels and knock the the top guy off. Murray had to beat Djokovic. He had to get Lendl to teach him how to win, he had to get stronger and better. Can any other star match that kind of work ethic.

      Pierce and Garnett had it once but they’re just role players now. They’ve been beaten by us. Both in the regular season and the playoffs. Ainge realized that he wasn’t getting out of the first round anymore with those two and he shipped them away for low 1st round picks and some decent talent but the haul wasn’t what it might have been in years past.

      I don’t think Joe Johnson is better than JR Smith. I think a healthy Chandler can get stops on Brook Lopez.

      So the question in the NYK / BKLYN matchup is, what’s the better mismatch Melo / KG or Williams / Felton. And furthermore, is either of those guys hungry enough to not be satisfied with winning NYC but to go and beat the best player in the NBA.

    39. danvt

      Hubert: If we went Felton-Shump-JR-Melo-Chandler, one of those two guys is stuck guarding Melo on the perimeter. Your best case scenario there is trying to hide Lopez on Shumpert.

      The quote above wasn’t me it was this.

    40. JK47

      The Clippers already have Matt Barnes, who plays a pretty similar role to MWP– cray-cray, defense-oriented wing. I would think NYK would be the more attractive scenario to MWP should he pass through the amnesty waiver thing.

    41. Hubert

      er: Also i dont think AK47 has the foot speed to play great d on sf anymore.

      I didn’t either, but some of the people here I trust seem to be insisting he’s still capable. We’ll see. I know I’ll see a lot more of him know than I ever did when he was Utah and Minnesota.

    42. Hubert

      These Nets remind me of those Redskins teams that won every offseason. Or the Eagles “Dream Team” of two years ago.

      And while the Knicks may not value draft picks highly enough to be considered the Giants, the way we’re laying low and getting written off despite having the best player in the division makes the comparison somewhat fair.

      The rule of thumb when assembling “dream teams” in any sport seems to be this:

      You can make all the flashy, expensive moves you want, but if you lack one of the best players in the league on your team you’re going to win the offseason but nothing else.

    43. flossy

      TDM:
      As expected, DAL chasing Dalembert.This may mean that they also lost out of Oden to the Heat or Spurs.Either way, Knicks had better lock up KMart soon.

      Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
      Mavs had all-day meetings Thursday w/free-agent center Samuel Dalembert culminating in dinner w/team officials. Sides still negotiating

      Wow, their offseason is going to consist of signing Sam Dalembert and Monta Ellis. At that point, why even bother? They should forget those guys and instead try to trade Dirk to a contender for as many draft picks as they can get and get aboard the tankin’ for Wiggins train.

    44. domiknick

      Marc Stein just reported that Dallas is going to sign Monta for 3 years between 25 and 30 million.

    45. TDM

      Re Ellis: the Bucks had offered him $36M, so he is leaving money on table to go to a contender. I heard the DAL deal was for $30M.

    46. thenamestsam

      Man this Dallas thing should just hammer home what can happen with even the best laid plans. I thought they made a really smart move letting Tyson walk away, laying back for a year and trying to grab a legitimate superstar to pair with Dirk but god damn this whole series of moves has turned into a spectacular bust. Missed on Deron, missed on CP3, missed on Dwight and now they got Monta. As a basketball fan it makes me pretty sad that we’re probably never going to get to see Dirk on a serious contender again because what he did in that championship run was really something to behold. He deserved the chance to try to defend that crown.

      Should also be a warning to Knicks fans who are already counting their Love-Rondo-Gasol and whoever else chickens two years before they can hatch. That’s a solid organization with a reputation for spending big, a superstar already in place, a tremendous coach, a championship in the last few years, low state taxes and they still stuck out in a major, major way.

    47. thenamestsam

      TDM:
      Re Ellis: the Bucks had offered him $36M, so he is leaving money on table to go to a contender.I heard the DAL deal was for $30M.

      For one thing that Bucks offer was some time ago, correct? I don’t think that offer is still on the table and I think misreading his market is part of the reason his agent got canned. And for another, a contender for what exactly? The 8th seed in the West?

    48. DRed

      I thought the Mavs were supposed to be one of the smart teams. Why the hell would they want a chucking turnover machine like Monta Ellis?

    49. TDM

      thenamestsam: For one thing that Bucks offer was some time ago, correct? I don’t think that offer is still on the table and I think misreading his market is part of the reason his agent got canned. And for another, a contender for what exactly? The 8th seed in the West?

      Haha. Good point.

    50. domiknick

      Dave McMenamin ?@mcten 39m

      World Peace told @shahanLA and I that playing in China is indeed his No. 1 priority. After that? Coaching or – no joke – arena football

      Shahan Ahmed ?@shahanLA 43m

      Metta World Peace just told @mcten and I that he has no desire to play in the NBA next season. Not for Knick, Nets, Clippers..no one #Lakers

    51. Ted Nelson

      Hubert: You can make all the flashy, expensive moves you want, but if you lack one of the best players in the league on your team you’re going to win the offseason but nothing else.

      I don’t think the Nets are as incredible as some people seem to, but I think you’re going way too far.

      The Nets have several very good players. They probably won’t win the title, but they probably will win quite a bit. They were one win shy of 50 wins last season without all these guys.

      Outside of basketball I don’t think needing to have one of the best players holds all that well. Sure, the best teams often do have some of the best players. Team sports other than basketball are far less reliant on individual talent, though.

    52. ruruland

      DRed:
      I thought the Mavs were supposed to be one of the smart teams.Why the hell would they want a chucking turnover machine like Monta Ellis?

      Let’s see how he responds in a lower usage environment where his shot distribution changes.

    53. massive

      His last (and only) good season was actually in 2008, when his usage was the second lowest of his career at 21.8%. He had a TS of .580 that season. I doubt he recaptures that efficiency, though. It’s possible, though.

      ruruland: Let’s see how he responds in a lower usage environment where his shot distribution changes.

    54. ruruland

      massive:
      His last (and only) good season was actually in 2008, when his usage was the second lowest of his career at 21.8%. He had a TS of .580 that season. I doubt he recaptures that efficiency, though. It’s possible, though.

      Yeah, but he creates plays and movement, Iverson-assists have a small effect, too.

      With Dirk he shouldn’t have the green light to take so many bad shots.

    55. Brian Cronin

      Oh yeah, I know I’ve long said that Ellis would be great in a tertiary scorer role. I just don’t know if Dallas is that place. There was a whole lot of room for OJ Mayo to do pretty much whatever he wanted to last season, ya know?

    56. jon abbey

      dunno too much about Alan Anderson except he absolutely abused NY in a couple of games last year. it’s maybe worth noting that all of his highest scoring games last year were against good teams: 24-HOU, 27-OKC, 27-CHI, 26-NYK, 35-NYK.

    57. Brian Cronin

      I like Alan Anderson as a pure scorer off of the bench. He’d be a great signing. Although I’d really like to see them actually sign K-Mart soon. It is getting kind of weird.

    58. jon abbey

      on the bright side there, remember the other night when I said Berman seemed to be getting a lot of accurate scoops lately? he wrote earlier today in the Post:

      “The Knicks have 10 players under contract, and Grunwald indicated that they are in good position to re-sign Kenyon Martin, too.”

    59. Brian Cronin

      Oooooh…so Ellis was INSTEAD of Harris. Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Sad news about Shane Larkin breaking his ankle. Makes me worried about Shump out there.

    60. Vinny L.

      jon abbey:
      on the less bright side, we really have to hope this is a bluff to get teams to not bid on him, who knows with that loon:

      http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9474115/metta-world-peace-says-nba-not-option-next-season

      I stopped reading the article after this:

      “It could all just be an entertaining bluff from World Peace, of course. The Lakers still have to pay him his $7.7 million salary for next season, but he is now on the market and teams with cap room can claim him off waivers via a bidding process.”

      The reporter forgot to mention that Metta also has been saying that he’s interested in playing hockey with the L.A. Kings lol.

    61. Frank

      Brian Cronin:
      I like Alan Anderson as a pure scorer off of the bench. He’d be a great signing. Although I’d really like to see them actually sign K-Mart soon. It is getting kind of weird.

      My guess is they are still holding out for Brand. For all the “other offers” it’s been pretty quiet out there for him.

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