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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Jan 25 2013)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo lifts Knicks in Celtics rematch (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:11:27 EDT)
    BOSTON — Carmelo Anthony didn’t shoot any icy stares toward Kevin Garnett on Thursday night. He didn’t hurl any obscenities his way.
    And no, Anthony didn’t feel the need to find Garnett after the final buzzer sounded.
    He let his play do the talking. And what he did on the floor said plenty about Anthony, and about the New York Knicks.
    Anthony scored a game-high 28 points, pulled down nine rebounds and played the role of distributor and decoy to perfection for the Knicks (26-14), who won for the first time in 14 road games against the Boston Celtics.

  • [New York Daily News] Boston fans have Cheerios signs confiscated by security before Knicks game (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:19:37 GMT)
    Before Thursday night’s Knicks-Celtics game, security at TD Garden confiscated multiple Cheerios boxes from fans seemingly planning to rib Anthony. One sign featured a Honey Nut Cheerios box taped to plaster board with a message: “Hey Melo, I agree!â?

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: This time, Melo lets his play do the talking (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:03:28 GMT)
    The last time the Knicks played the Celtics, Carmelo Anthony went looking for Kevin Garnett at the Celtics’ bus after the game. This time, in Boston, Anthony just helped win the game for the Knicks. Went to his own bus with a “W,â? went to his own bus with his teammates and coaches, not sidemen and hurt feelings and a dumb playground grudge.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: For one night, Knicks tough enough (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:04:44 GMT)
    This wasn’t just a night to see how Carmelo Anthony would react to Kevin Garnett and whatever trash Garnett was going to send Melo’s way, as much as it was billed as the main event at the TD Garden. For Mike Woodson, this was a night to see if his team would run from a tough opponent in a hostile environment.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Chandler tabbed All-Star reserve (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:00:02 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony won’t be the lone Knick All-Star this year. Teammate Tyson Chandler was among the Eastern Conference reserves named Thursday night for the Feb. 17 game in Houston, as voted by the league’s coaches.

  • [New York Daily News] In rematch, No Melo-drama with KG as Knicks edge Celtics (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:55:19 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony settled a score with Kevin Garnett and the Celtics Thursday but he did so without trading insults and having to confront anyone near the locker room or the team bus. Anthony scored 28 points as the Knicks frustrated the offensively challenged Celtics to defeat Boston, 89-86.

  • [New York Newsday] Carmelo Anthony keeps his cool, helps Knicks end drought in Boston (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:40:40 EST)
    Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks were prepared for this to be more heated than the average late-January regular-season game, a playoff type of game that they needed to prove they could win.

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks' Tyson Chandler chosen as All-Star reserve; Nets shut out (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:30:08 EST)
    Tyson Chandler can add another accomplishment to his growing list: All-Star.

  • [New York Newsday] This time, Kevin Garnett has nothing to say (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:22:22 EST)
    The truth is, Celtics coach Doc Rivers said his players really do try to get Carmelo Anthony upset and unnerved.

  • [New York Post] Melo, Knicks top KG, reeling Celtics (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:22:56 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? Peace ruled and so did Carmelo Anthony’s Knicks.
    Anthony let his game do the talking last night and trashed TD North Garden. He scored 28 points with nine rebounds and three assists as the Knicks snapped an 11-game losing streak in Beantown, winning here for the first time…

  • [New York Post] Chandler earns All-Star nod (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:45:39 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? Tyson Chandler had a big smile on his face an hour before the Knicks faced Boston Thursday night. As he left the locker room, The Post asked him if he knew he had made his first All-Star Game. Chandler said, “Yeah, but I don’t want to jinx the…

  • [New York Post] Stoudemire plays best game since return from knee surgery (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:45:39 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? Knicks coach Mike Woodson kept predicting we would see the old Amar’e Stoudemire and last night was the closest version yet.
    Stoudemire looked like lightning for much of the night as he had his season’s best performance with 15 points, nine rebounds and two blocks in the…

  • [New York Post] A big win for Anthony & Co., but Boston couldn’t care less (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:28:55 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? We would like this stuff to matter as much to our New England cousins as it does to us. We would have preferred a crowd of angry Puritans aiming vile bile at No. 7 in blue, because maybe, just maybe, that would mean the people of Boston care about…

  • [New York Post] Garnett has no answers after latest Celtics loss (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:00:28 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? After Carmelo Anthony had exacted the sweetest revenge of all on Kevin Garnett â?? Anthony’s Knicks beat Garnett’s Celtics, 89-86 â?? the question was put before the Boston All-Star.
    Is the spat over?
    Garnett, who had answered previous game and Celtic-related questions, stood up. He cleared his throat and…

  • [New York Post] Celtics coach knows what Shumpert went through to return to Knicks (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:52:34 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? Celtics coach Doc Rivers knows exactly what Knicks guard Iman Shumpert went through coming back from a torn ACL in his left knee. It’s a been there, done that kind of thing.”If you’re not a worker, you will not come back from that injury. But if…

  • [New York Times] Hunter 2-0 as Coach After Suns Beat Clippers (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:58:24 GMT)
    Goran Dragic scored 19 of his 24 points in the first half and the Phoenix Suns held on to beat the Los Angeles Clippers 93-88 on Thursday night, improving to 2-0 under interim coach Lindsey Hunter.

  • [New York Times] Anthony’s 28 Points Lead Knicks Over Celts, 89-86 (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:37:20 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony’s ill feelings toward Kevin Garnett didn’t last long. His streak of 20-point games goes on.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 89, Celtics 86: Carmelo Anthony Lifts Knicks Over Celtics (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:36:50 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony scored a game-high 28 points against the Boston Celtics. There was little interaction between Anthony and Kevin Garnett, after an exchange in their last meeting.

  • [New York Times] Anthony Fires Knicks to Win Over Celtics (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:05:03 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Garnett showed no signs of any lingering bad blood between them as the New York Knicks snapped their 11-game losing streak in Boston with a 89-86 win over the Celtics on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Boston Crowd Boos Anthony, as Expected but Tamer (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:04:28 GMT)
    Celtics fans were ready to watch Carmelo Anthony play through a night of taunting. But the crowd was restrained, at least by Boston standards.

  • [New York Times] DeRozan Lifts Raptors Over Magic at Buzzer, 97-95 (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:52:42 GMT)
    DeMar DeRozan swished a fadeaway jumper at the buzzer as the Toronto Raptors fought off a late-game charge by the Orlando Magic to earn a 97-95 victory on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Hornets Changing Name to Pelicans in N.B.A. Name Game (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:41:20 GMT)
    The change could affect N.B.A. record-keeping should Charlotte decide to reclaim its old nickname.

  • [New York Times] Duncan Gets 14th NBA All-Star Nod; 2 Bulls Chosen (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:28:33 GMT)
    Tim Duncan was selected to his 14th All-Star game, Spurs teammate Tony Parker is joining him, and the Chicago Bulls also had two reserves chosen Thursday for next month’s game in Houston.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: 2 Knicks, 0 Nets in N.B.A. All-Star Game (Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:16:07 GMT)
    Tyson Chandler was chosen for the game as a reserve. Despite a .600 winning percentage, the Nets were conspicuous by their absence.

  • 33 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Jan 25 2013)

    1. DS

      I still say we need some rebounding help if Camby and ‘Sheed are too fragile. Maybe whatever Brewer could fetch in a trade would be worth it.

    2. Frank

      Meanwhile, despite the return of Amare playing real minutes, our defense looks like it is back.

      Last 6 games points allowed
      Indy – 81
      CHI – 108 no good
      NOH – 87
      DET – 87
      BKN – 88
      BOS – 86

      Overall our DefEff has come back into the top 1/2 of the league (14th). It can only get better when one of Sheed/Camby come back.

      I’m sure this has been mentioned, but I loved seeing the zone defense last night. Teams need to come in here not really knowing exactly what we will throw at them defensively. Gotta figure Woodson put this in during the Europe trip — probably was basically a training camp. With both Kidd and Tyson on the team, hopefully they can bring over some of the different looks Dallas used to frustrate Miami.

    3. Frank

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Pace, Frank. Pace.

      OK fine -
      Last 6 games defensive efficiency
      Indy – 94.2
      CHI – 114 no good
      NOH – 93.5
      DET – 94.6
      BKN – 98.9
      BOS – 95.2

      Yes some of these teams don’t have great offenses, but these are the #s of a top 5-7 defense.

    4. Z-man

      Honestly, I am enjoying the lower-scoring games that have some of the defensive intensity of the ’90′s Knicks-Heat-Pacers-Bulls games. And while the Knicks took lots of 3′s, a bunch of them were of the late-in-the-clock no choice variety. I love the scratching and clawing for a good open look so much better than the run downcourt and jack up the first open look from 3 D’Antoni bullshit. Obviously, Novak gets marginalized in thest types of games, but so be it.

    5. Z-man

      Hopefully Raymond’s bone-bruised hands have completely healed at the same time as his pinky issue.

    6. Frank

      Worth remembering / reminiscing – how great Lin + Novak was. Novak scored 18.7 p/36, 9.7 3PA/36, 51% 3P with Lin. Knicks were +17 per 36 min with Lin+Novak on court. Both guys were dependent on each other – basically even with opponent when the other wasn’t on the court.

    7. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, during Linsanity, Novak was putting up crazy numbers. It is so funny to think of these two guys just sitting on the bench and then suddenly both are scoring like crazy.

    8. BigBlueAL

      Looks like Kidd might sit out tomorrow night. Assume he wouldnt play Sunday either which would give him almost a week off before their game on Wed. Read somewhere that Woody said his starting lineup tomorrow will most likely be the same as last night except Felton in for Kidd. Interesting to see how long White remains a starter.

    9. Frank

      Interesting stuff out of Knicks camp today – namely that Berman says Camby could be back in a week, and also someone else said that Wallace could play right now if it were the playoffs.

    10. Z-man

      Frank: interesting NBA.com advanced stats page thing – Novak WAAY better with Felton than without. Shoots 51% from 3 with Felton, 37% without. And that’s with a relative hot streak in January since Felton has been injured.http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Steve-Novak-vs-Raymond-Felton|200779,101109;year=201213;season=r

      Frank: Worth remembering / reminiscing – how great Lin + Novak was. Novak scored 18.7 p/36, 9.7 3PA/36, 51% 3P with Lin. Knicks were +17 per 36 min with Lin+Novak on court. Both guys were dependent on each other – basically even with opponent when the other wasn’t on the court.

      Yeah, but there were enough games where Novak was invisible even with Felton to make me wonder about his effectiveness in playoff-level defensive intensity games (see: Memphis and first 2 Chicago games.) And the Linsanity games don’t mean anything anymore, what is Lin doing in Houston to suggest that he would be freeing up Novak here?

    11. greatscott

      Brian Cronin:
      Yeah, during Linsanity, Novak was putting up crazy numbers. It is so funny to think of these two guys just sitting on the bench and then suddenly both are scoring like crazy.

      Hey Brian, Did you hear that David Lee made the All Star team? He was picked by the coaches. Long after leaving the Knicks, Lee is still getting the job done. This is pretty impressive and I am happy for him.

    12. BigBlueAL

      Yeah I didnt get the point about interviewing a gambling expert about how good a player Melo is.

      I mentioned this the other day about Ballard tweeting some stuff he left out in the article and what caught my attention the most was him saying he heard from a source that D’Antoni would call plays for Melo and Lin wouldnt run it. Kinda glad though that the article didnt delve much into the Lin and D’Antoni stuff, kinda over all of that and tired of reading about it lol.

    13. BigBlueAL

      Half-way thru the 2nd quarter the Celtics lead the Hawks 48-21. The game is now tied 59-59 half-way thru the 3rd quarter.

    14. Z-man

      I had mentioned that the Nets reminded me of the 90′s Pacers and the Lopez reminded me of Smits. I took a look at their stats at similar points in their careers and the similarity is really striking, especially per 36 and advanced:

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=lopezbr01&y1=2013&p2=smitsri01&y2=1993

      Lopez isn’t Dwight Howard, but if he stays healthy and continues to play like Smits did when healthy, he’s a good starting player…not worth the max, but a nice guy to have in the middle.

    15. Unreason

      The list of things that I was wrong about regarding the Nets is discouragingly long:
      1. They would suck
      2. Their defense in particular would be very bad
      3. Lopez would be OK at best
      4. D Will would get petulant and start being a distraction
      5. I’d be able to root for them against teams other than the Knicks

      5 is the most surprising to me. The good thing about that egregious error is discovering that I care about their regular season games as much as I do the ones against the C’s and Miami. I actually kind of despise them. Not sure why. I just do.

    16. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Unreason:
      The list of things that I was wrong about regarding the Nets is discouragingly long: 1.They would suck 2.Their defense in particular would be very bad 3.Lopez would be OK at best 4.D Will would get petulant and start being a distraction 5.I’d be able to root for them against teams other than the Knicks

      5 is the most surprising to me. The good thing about that egregious error is discovering that I care about their regular season games as much as I do the ones against the C’s and Miami. I actually kind of despise them. Not sure why. I just do.

      Brook Lopez is still not that good. He’s just a high usage player scoring at average efficiency. Average rebounds, average everything. Maybe he’s okay at blocks, but they’re not all that important to wins. He’s otherwise not exceptional in the way that Chandler is exceptional at shooting efficiency and rebounding.

    17. Robtachi

      Unreason:
      The list of things that I was wrong about regarding the Nets is discouragingly long: 1.They would suck 2.Their defense in particular would be very bad 3.Lopez would be OK at best 4.D Will would get petulant and start being a distraction 5.I’d be able to root for them against teams other than the Knicks

      5 is the most surprising to me. The good thing about that egregious error is discovering that I care about their regular season games as much as I do the ones against the C’s and Miami. I actually kind of despise them. Not sure why. I just do.

      Between Williams, Lopez and Johnson, the Nets have assembled one of the hardest to root for rosters I can remember. Just so hard to like those guys and their respective games.

    18. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Brook Lopez is still not that good.

      Obviously this is a very primitive way of analyzing his impact.

      1)The Nets have surrounded Lopez with some excellent rebounders with limited offensive skills.

      2) The Nets are 8.1 points better with Lopez on the floor, the second best number on the team and better than all of the supposedly superior Berri players.

      Let’s take a look at his scoring efficiency.

      First, Lopez scores at virtually the same rate Chandler does at the rim (70 -72.6 for Chandler).

      Lopez also attempts more shots at the basket at virtually the same minutes and pace (the Nets play slower than the Knicks).

      The difference is that Lopez creates more of his dunks and layups as he’s assisted on eight percent fewer baskets.

      Were Lopez has real value are on shots taken outside of the restricted area — he shoots 45% in the 3-9 foot area, 49 percent at 10-15 feet and 36 % at 16-23 feet, all extremely good numbers for a center.

      He takes 6.4 of those three kinds of shots, whereas Chandler takes less than one.

      Given that Lopez is often paired with a limited skill offensive rebounding big, and often a limited skill guy like Gerald Wallace, it’s apparent that his low offensive rebound rate/high skill offense at his position is actually symmetrical with his teammates contribution.

      It should be interesting to Berricylotes that the Nets offense is significantly better with Lopez on the floor than either Humphries or Evans, despite having a much lower offensive rebound rate.

      Moreover, Lopez’ defense has improved significantly. He’s one of the premier rim protectors in the league.

      The Knicks, for example, allow a .600 efg % at close range, the Nets allow .566 efg%.

    19. Frank

      Yeah, not that THCJ and I see eye to eye that much, but Lopez has been really really good for the Nets this year. Just to pile on the non-WOW stats, in basically a 50/50 split for the year (~1000 minutes with and without Brook on the floor), the Nets are a very bad team without him (net rating -3.1) and a very very good team with him (net rating +6). Like ruru noted, when he’s on the floor their rebounding is slightly worse (ORR 28.6 vs. 32.4, TRR 72.6 vs. 74.1) but despite having fewer O-reb and “free” possessions, their TS is 3% better.

      Whatever the reason, Lopez has been amazingly good for them. The combination of him and Evans is a good synergistic combo.

    20. Z-man

      Again, he’s essentially Rik Smits, who was a very effective player for the Pacers for a decade, except when he was injured. Smits used to drive me nuts because he would just never miss the open 8-18 footer. Lopez pulls Chandler away from the basket, opening things up for Johnson, Williams and Wallace; while Evans/Humphries just park on the baseline and collect o-rebounds.

      Thanks, ruru and Frank, for the great analysis. So much more insightful than that shallow WoW BS.

    21. Owen

      That SI article is amazing! Holy cow, it reads like it was half ripped from a Kblogger debate.

      I think that article captures the enigma of Carmelo and the ambivalence about him in New York extremely accurately. And it’s amazing to see Haralabob (who posted forever at APBR) brought in and advanced stats mentioned.

      Nothing in there that hasn’t been said here a thousand times….

    22. ruruland

      Owen:
      That SI article is amazing!
      Nothing in there that hasn’t been said here a thousand times….

      Speaking of ambivalent, is it amazing or does it read like a giant regurgation of arguments made here thousands of times?

      If it it’s the latter you certainly can’t be suggesting its amazing.

      I asked Ballard about the Voulgaris advanced metric section of the article and he didn’t seem to really understand what the metric was all about.

      Im actually perfectly fine with Knicks fans feeling ambivelant about Melo given the career worse stretch he had last season, but I do find it a little entertaining how people like Jared Dubin are so influenced by winning and losing that they’re actually blinded to the consistency with which, for example, Melo passes out of double teams or “makes teammates better.”

      The addition of a 3-point shot, which if we disclude that absolutely horrid stretch where he played injured last year, Melo been quite consistently somewhere between really good and great offensively since he became a Knick.

      If you charted Melos performance on a line graph by 8-12 game intervals it would be really obvious.

      What WoW supporters will always be slow to pick up on are the trendlines in a career that should be weighted over career averages.

      In Melos case, he was averaging around 2- 2.7 3-point attempts per game in Denver, with a steadily upward trending percentage.

      There was a game against Indiana where Melo, having played distracted all year, made 6 out of 8 attempted 3-pointers.

      From that point forward, Melos 3-point attempts per game have more than doubled, allowing him to establish a new efficiency norm, which as we speak right now, is one point higher than the minimum I projected for him going into the season.

    23. ruruland

      I feel like there’s a backstory to the Indiana game that actually had the unintended effect of allowing Melo to see the benefits of playing off the ball deep.

      His history against Granger and Indiana is actually pretty interesting (Jeff Foster broke his hand on an inside shot that was naturally not called a foul just as Melo was picking up steam in 2008, for example.)

    24. ruruland

      Z-man:
      Again, he’s essentially Rik Smits, who was a very effective player for the Pacers for a decade, except when he was injured. Smits used to drive me nuts because he would just never miss the open 8-18 footer. Lopez pulls Chandler away from the basket, opening things up for Johnson, Williams and Wallace; while Evans/Humphries just park on the baseline and collect o-rebounds.

      Thanks, ruru and Frank, for the great analysis. So much more insightful than that shallow WoW BS.

      I think Smits is a great comparison.

      If I recall, that great Pacers run in the late 90s had the offense running through Smits with the Davis brothers doing the dirty work.

    25. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      ruruland: If you charted Melos performance on a line graph by 8-12 game intervals it would be really obvious.

      What WoW supporters will always be slow to pick up on are the trendlines in a career that should be weighted over career averages.

      Arbitrary endpoints.

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