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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Jan 13 2012)

  • [New York Times] N.B.A.’s Bulls Survive Five Games in Six Nights (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:09:08 GMT)
    The Bulls beat the Wizards on Wednesday night, Chicago’s third game in three nights and fifth in six in a grind that rendered legs rubbery and challenged everyone’s concentration.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies 94, Knicks 83: Anthony Sprains Ankle as Knicks Struggle (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:30:10 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony sprained his right ankle early in the second half, leaving the Knicks adrift in a loss in Memphis.

  • [New York Times] With Horford Out, Hawks Rout Bobcats (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:39:08 GMT)
    Josh Smith scored 30 points, Joe Johnson added 23 and the Atlanta Hawks won their first game without All-Star center Al Horford, routing the Charlotte Bobcats, 111-81.

  • [New York Times] Jennings and Jackson Leads Bucks Past Pistons (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:39:46 GMT)
    Brandon Jennings scored 27 points and Stephen Jackson added 25 to help the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Detroit Pistons 102-93 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Overcome Knicks to End Losing Streak (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:20:57 GMT)
    The Memphis Grizzlies snapped a three-game losing streak with a 94-83 mauling of the New York Knicks at the FedExForum on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Howard Breaks FT Attempts Mark, Magic Top Warriors (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:18:06 GMT)
    Dwight Howard broke Wilt Chamberlain’s nearly 50-year-old NBA record for most free throw attempts in a game, making 21 of 39 in the Orlando Magic’s 117-109 victory over the Golden State Warriors on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Irving Leads Cavaliers Past Suns, 101-90 (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:56:54 GMT)
    Prize rookie Kyrie Irving scored a season-high 26 points and Antawn Jamison matched his season high with 23, helping the Cleveland Cavaliers beat the Phoenix Suns 101-90 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Overcome Knicks to End Losing Streak (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:53:50 GMT)
    The Memphis Grizzlies snapped a three-game losing streak with a 94-83 mauling of the New York Knicks at the FedExForum on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Rudy Gay Helps Grizzlies Beat Knicks (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:02:55 GMT)
    Rudy Gay scored a season-high 26 points and the Memphis Grizzlies beat New York 94-83 on Thursday night to end the Knicks’ winning streak at four games.

  • [New York Times] Hawks C Horford Out 3-4 Months With Shoulder (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:45:38 GMT)
    Atlanta Hawks All-Star center Al Horford will miss at least three months with a shoulder injury, a major blow to a playoff contender in the Eastern Conference.

  • [New York Post] Anthony joins Stoudemire as a captain (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 06:12:53 -0500)
    MEMPHIS, Tenn. â?? Carmelo Anthony has been selected a team captain, according to a team source.Anthony was named captain during the club’s Christmas party. Amar’e Stoudemire was the lone captain last season. Coach Mike D’Antoni elected giving Anthony a co-captaincy last season as he adjusted after the…

  • [New York Post] Anthony sprains wrist and ankle as Knicks lose to Grizzlies (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:52:35 -0500)
    MEMPHIS, Tenn. â?? There may no longer be a body part left for Carmelo Anthony to injure during this lockout-rushed regular season.
    In a discouraging setback last night at FedEx Forum, Anthony sprained his right wrist, then sprained his right ankle, sat out nearly the entire second half and likely won…

  • [New York Daily News] Melo hurt as Knicks can’t shoot straight (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 06:17:00 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony could no longer walk straight and his teammates couldn’t shoot straight. In every way imaginable, the Knicks were completely out of whack during Thursday night’s 94-83 loss to the Grizzlies.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks star inks up tattoo artist (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 01:18:59 GMT)
    He’s scoring machine and a ferocious shot blocker, but now Knicks star Amar’e Stoudemire can add amateur tattooist to his resume.

  • [New York Newsday] Melo sprains ankle in loss to Grizzlies (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:28:15 EST)
    The sprained left wrist really was no big deal. Carmelo Anthony kept on playing through that. It was the sprained right ankle that did what defenses can't do. It stopped him. Anthony hopped off the court, went to the locker room and did not return to a Knicks team that hasn't been able to stop putting the "off" in offense.

  • 52 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Jan 13 2012)

    1. d-mar

      bobneptune:
      mike…. you missed the big news of the day…. the knick’s point guard problems are soon to be solved!

      according to a blurb on hoops hype, the great ish smith is soon to be cut by gs and shuld be available to the knicks.

      if we can arrange for ish to be guarded by mr douglas every night, he is a borderline all star. :-)

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/12/SP3T1MODTA.DTL&feed=rss.warriors

      Is it the great ish smith or the greatish smith? (-:

    2. villainx

      Outside of trading for a top tier point guard, is there any other solution for the Knicks?

      The point guard position is the main thing holding the Knicks back, holding the D’Antoni system back, and insuring the suboptimal iso’s going on with Amar’e or Melo. This has been true since D’Antoni got here.

      Just wondering what options are realistically out there.

    3. Shad0wF0x

      Andre Miller apparently doesn’t want to be a back-up anymore. But there are problems concerning matching his salary ($7,807,728) and if the Nuggets even want any of the Knicks.

    4. PaulStreetBoy

      not that Nate is my favorite player, but then he gives the Warriors bench some extra kick that Knicks bench lack big time.

      Shump the rookie shot 20 times yesterday in a very Nate-like performance. he is a above average defender already and hope he can build on it, however I am wondering whether he is coach-able or maybe Knicks plays without any coaching at all?

    5. BigBlueAL

      D’Antoni said today if Melo doesnt play tomorrow (he is doubtful) Walker starts. So Fields on Durant??

      Im torn because I would be thrilled obviously if the Knicks somehow win tomorrow but if they do so w/o Melo I can imagine the reaction on this board lol

    6. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

      Andre Miller apparently doesn’t want to be a back-up anymore. But there are problems concerning matching his salary ($7,807,728) and if the Nuggets even want any of the Knicks.

      Andre Miller continues to amaze. He looks out of shape. His game looks like it doesn’t make sense. And he typically has a bad attitude. And yet he ends up being good every year. So weird.

    7. Ben R

      Miller is a great player, hugely underrated. He looks overweight and kinda slow but he is solid defensively and has never played less than 80 games in a season. He has also only missed the playoffs once in the last 8 years despite playing on three different teams.

      He is weird I agree though because he can’t really shoot and is not athletic like other non-shooting Pgs but still gets the job done. I like him. He is getting old and we have nothing to trade for him unless we want to swing Amare for Miller and some of Denver’s depth, not gonna happen but probably wouldn’t be a bad thing.

    8. Caleb

      I wouldn’t call him great but I’ll agree with underrated. That said, do we really think he’s any better than Baron Davis is likely to be? I don’t, and even if we could cobble together a deal I wouldn’t give up anything just for an extra month of real PG play.

    9. flossy

      Are we seriously at the point of contemplating trading Amar’e Stoudemire for Andre Miller + filler?

    10. Ben R

      Not Miller + Filler, what about Amare+TD for Miller+Nene.

      Amare would thrive in Denver’s open pass happy offense and Nene has already proven he can be effective with Melo. I think both teams improve, Denver get’s the true offensive “superstar” everyone seems to think they need and we help define our offense by making Melo the true #1 option he needs to be.

    11. jon abbey

      I’m not sure Amare could thrive by himself on a practice court at this point. it’ll be pretty illuminating to see how he does if Melo sits out tomorrow, too bad it’s against such a good team (most other teams would be a better barometer).

    12. D.

      I’m sorry, I know I would probably get banned for this. But this is the most stupidest thing I’ve heard today. BRAVO.

      Ben R:
      Not Miller + Filler, what about Amare+TD for Miller+Nene.

      Amare would thrive in Denver’s open pass happy offense and Nene has already proven he can be effective with Melo. I think both teams improve, Denver get’s the true offensive “superstar” everyone seems to think they need and we help define our offense by making Melo the true #1 option he needs to be.

    13. Ben R

      D – I’m not offended. I know it will never happen but Amare and Melo will never work out and the sooner we stop trying to force these things together the better. I actually think Denver would rightfully turn down an Amare for Nene trade but I don’t think it is terribly lopsided and a pretty fair deal for both teams if Miller is in fact forcing his way out of Denver.

      With that said I don’t usually do fantasy trades so I’m done with that, I just am so frustrated with this team and see us being stuck in mediocrity for the next 3 years and would like to at least daydream that it could end.

    14. nicos

      Caleb:
      I wouldn’t call him great but I’ll agree with underrated. That said, do we really think he’s any better than Baron Davis is likely to be? I don’t, and even if we could cobble together a deal I wouldn’t give up anything just for an extra month of real PG play.

      Healthy, I’d probably prefer BD. I think Andre Miller is probably > than BD but he isn’t particularly good fit for D’A's system- doesn’t shoot the three at all (BD ain’t that great either but still much better AM), likes to dribble with his back to the basket a little too much, not going to push the pace enough etc… Miller & Nene for Amar’e and TD? Sure, but that isn’t going to happen. Miller and pieces for Amar’e? I’d rather wait and see how BD does (and even with his uninsured contract the Knicks would have to able to do significantly better than that if they wanted to trade Amar’e).

    15. Caleb

      @18 the funny thing is, you’re probably right that it would be the Nuggets who would turn down this trade. Not a bad one for fantasy-land, although of course we’d then need to flip Nene (or maybe Chandler, I guess) in a separate deal.

    16. villainx

      That’s my point, Andre Miller is unrealistic.

      I guess a credible point guard is a problem a lot of teams have. Just seems the Knicks either go via a rotation of unproven, shoot first young pgs, or veteran gambles ala Billups or Baron Davis.

    17. Z

      Shad0wF0x:
      Andre Miller apparently doesn’t want to be a back-up anymore. But there are problems concerning matching his salary ($7,807,728) and if the Nuggets even want any of the Knicks.

      The Nuggets already have all the Knicks.

    18. d-mar

      Wow, this board turns on Amare in a heartbeat. Granted, last night’s performance was a total no-show (and the 2 early fouls didn’t help) but he was actually starting to play pretty well recently, and is rebounding at a pretty good clip also. And the idea that he and Melo just can’t play together is way too premature.

      Amare will have a monster game tomorrow, but as BBA said earlier, if the Knicks somehow manage to win, the Melo haters will be gleeful.

    19. Shad0wF0x

      @23

      I think D’Antoni would much rather have the Nuggets or Warriors right now. The personnel just fit SSOL better.

    20. jon abbey

      d-mar:
      Wow, this board turns on Amare in a heartbeat. Granted, last night’s performance was a total no-show (and the 2 early fouls didn’t help) but he was actually starting to play pretty well recently, and is rebounding at a pretty good clip also. And the idea that he and Melo just can’t play together is way too premature.

      Amare will have a monster game tomorrow, but as BBA said earlier, if the Knicks somehow manage to win, the Melo haters will be gleeful.

      I have always been a big Amare fan, but he hasn’t looked right at all so far this year. his jumper’s not consistently there, but more importantly, his lift isn’t there. like I said a few threads ago, I don’t know if it’s putting on too much muscle in the offseason or if it’s his knees again, but he doesn’t look good at all.

      and if you think this version of Amare is going to have a monster game against Perkins and Ibaka with no other real offensive threats on the team, not sure what to tell you. just don’t write the game preview, please… :)

    21. d-mar

      jon abbey: I have always been a big Amare fan, but he hasn’t looked right at all so far this year. his jumper’s not consistently there, but more importantly, his lift isn’t there. like I said a few threads ago, I don’t know if it’s putting on too much muscle in the offseason or if it’s his knees again, but he doesn’t look good at all. and if you think this version of Amare is going to have a monster game against Perkins and Ibaka with no other real offensive threats on the team, not sure what to tell you. just don’t write the game preview, please… :)

      I think “he doesn’t look good at all” is a little bit of an overstatement. He’s averaging 19.2 ppg, 8.3 reb. Granted, not All-Star material, and his shooting % needs to get better, but I’ve seen some positive signs lately (other than last night’s team cluster f—k.) Maybe I’m wearing rose colored glasses, and he’ll look awful tomorrow as you predict, but I think Amare will be fine in the long run.

    22. nicos

      jon abbey:
      and if you think this version of Amare is going to have a monster game against Perkins and Ibaka with no other real offensive threats on the team, not sure what to tell you. just don’t write the game preview, please… :)

      If Melo’s out and the Knicks are getting waxed I hope D’A throws a line-up out of Jorts, Novak, Walker, Amar’e, and Shumpert and just has them run a P & R with Amar’e and Shump every time down the floor- somebody has to figure out how to get the ball to Amar’e on the move and as Shumpert’s pretty much the only guard who seems capable of dribbling with his head up (until the last two games anyway) he probably has the best chance. I think Amar’e looked pretty good against Philly- he was getting the ball at the elbow and going straight into the lane with just one dribble. I think part of the explosion issue is that with Chandler not being able to drag his man away from the basket (he didn’t take a single shot outside of the paint until last night) there are often two guys in the paint so Amar’e has little room to operate. In theory Harrellson should be helping create space when Amar’e is playing with the second unit but teams are just leaving him wide open and as his TS% stands at .494 he’s not making them pay.

    23. nicos

      And I should add that Shumpert should try to turn the corner every time and re-set when he can’t. He needs to take a page out of Chandler’s book and shoot as little as possible outside of the paint- only one or two outside shots a game to keep the defense honest would be nice.

    24. jon abbey

      nicos:
      And I should add that Shumpert should try to turn the corner every time and re-set when he can’t.He needs to take a page out of Chandler’s book and shoot as little as possible outside of the paint- only one or two outside shots a game to keep the defense honest would be nice.

      I think he’s good on the mid-range jumper, but should mostly lay off the threes for now.

    25. Z

      nicos: Shumpert’s pretty much the only guard who seems capable of dribbling with his head up…

      His head may be up, but all he sees is the basket…

    26. d-mar

      Hahn’s fix echoes how I feel about STAT, bottom line, there’s a lot of upside:

      “Amar’e Stoudemire has put up some impressive numbers this season and what’s even more impressive about the 23.1 points and nine rebounds he was averaging before the Memphis game is that he really hasn’t seemed himself yet. Stoudemire still recorded four 20-10 efforts in the last five games (and missed the fifth by two rebounds) going into the Grizzlies game, but two quick fouls in the first 1:47 sent him to the bench.”

    27. Tony Pena

      I’ll like to see a Stat-Melo-Jorts-Shump and Bibby? Novak? Walker? lineup to give Stat room to operate and shooters to kick out to.

    28. danvt

      Really impressed with Shumpert’s tweet. He really seems to get it. I like him more than I did before the Memphis game. He’ll do his thing next game, take his mid range shot, dish, and play D. Let’s not trade him for Andre Miller yet.

      The Knicks problem is that Fields, if he’s a starter, needs to score 15 ppg. Then, on a night when Amar’e and Melo are off, he needs to score 20.

      People complain about Melo, and Stat’s high usage but we have two starters who won’t shoot and a rookie pg who probably shouldn’t.

      We don’t need to trade Stat. Melo is not just a chucker. Those two will be fine together. Chandler is just great, though I wish he’d demand the ball in the post a little just to keep the defense honest. Shump has been a revelation and might actually be a keeper PG or at least be good until BD gets back. The glaring issue on this team is the underachievement of Fields (and Douglas).

    29. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      d-mar:
      Hahn’s fix echoes how I feel about STAT, bottom line, there’s a lot of upside:

      “Amar’e Stoudemire has put up some impressive numbers this season and what’s even more impressive about the 23.1 points and nine rebounds he was averaging before the Memphis game is that he really hasn’t seemed himself yet. Stoudemire still recorded four 20-10 efforts in the last five games (and missed the fifth by two rebounds) going into the Grizzlies game, but two quick fouls in the first 1:47 sent him to the bench.”

      Why do you insist on using those per game numbers?

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01/gamelog/2012/

      He’s not playing well this season. Career worst in shooting efficiency. He could have 50 points a game and still be making his team worse.

    30. danvt

      Oh, and Stat for Nene? Really? I mean, I don’t know basketball like some on this site but it seems to me that there is a serious mismatch of skill level there. Plus, isn’t Nene a center? So, now you have him and Chandler in a twin towers scenario?

      How does that make us better?

    31. flossy

      danvt:
      Oh, and Stat for Nene?Really?I mean, I don’t know basketball like some on this site but it seems to me that there is a serious mismatch of skill level there.Plus, isn’t Nene a center?So, now you have him and Chandler in a twin towers scenario?

      How does that make us better?

      Their games are quite similar if you ask me. Amar’e is actually taller; Nene could easily be a PF. Not that I would make that trade.

    32. ruruland

      Ben R: Miller is a great player, hugely underrated. He looks overweight and kinda slow but he is solid defensively and has never played less than 80 games in a season. He has also only missed the playoffs once in the last 8 years despite playing on three different teams.He is weird I agree though because he can’t really shoot and is not athletic like other non-shooting Pgs but still gets the job done. I like him. He is getting old and we have nothing to trade for him unless we want to swing Amare for Miller and some of Denver’s depth, not gonna happen but probably wouldn’t be a bad thing.

      he does not excel in pick and roll, can’t space the floor, and doesn’t intitiate tempo.

      he’s a fantastic player when guys are running around him and spacing the floor.

      He’d be a poor fit for the price, and the rquisite pieces.. besides, denver wouldn’t be getting rid of him just to get rid him.

    33. ruruland

      flossy: Their games are quite similar if you ask me. Amar’e is actually taller; Nene could easily be a PF. Not that I would make that trade.

      A little similar, actually, yes. Nene is a slightly better defender, worse rebounder, much better passer.

      Actually has back to basket game, less range, better decision maker. Clearly much less explosive, but has great first step and length….

      Would actually be a better piece with Melo if you were able to make up the difference with a shooting guard (for the salary difference)….

      denver is not going anywhere without a star player who can take over during stretches…..

      BTW, Nene and Aflallo, the two guys still playing in Denver who started with Melo, have been MUCH less efficient without Melo.

    34. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      danvt: I know, counting points and rebounds is such an antiquated notion.And shooting percentage, such a shame no one ever talks about that.

      I don’t know what this is supposed to be. Are you making fun of yourself?

    35. tenebrous

      Ben R:
      D – I’m not offended. I know it will never happen but Amare and Melo will never work out and the sooner we stop trying to force these things together the better. I actually think Denver would rightfully turn down an Amare for Nene trade but I don’t think it is terribly lopsided and a pretty fair deal for both teams if Miller is in fact forcing his way out of Denver.

      With that said I don’t usually do fantasy trades so I’m done with that, I just am so frustrated with this team and see us being stuck in mediocrity for the next 3 years and would like to at least daydream that it could end.

      they can work out. they just need to b subed in for eachother. wake up diantoni

    36. tenebrous

      jon abbey: I have always been a big Amare fan, but he hasn’t looked right at all so far this year. his jumper’s not consistently there, but more importantly, his lift isn’t there. like I said a few threads ago, I don’t know if it’s putting on too much muscle in the offseason or if it’s his knees again, but he doesn’t look good at all.

      and if you think this version of Amare is going to have a monster game against Perkins and Ibaka with no other real offensive threats on the team, not sure what to tell you. just don’t write the game preview, please… :)

      u and jon should have a drink. invite amare. and tell him how bad he is.

    37. tenebrous

      danvt:
      Really impressed with Shumpert’s tweet.He really seems to get it.I like him more than I did before the Memphis game.He’ll do his thing next game, take his mid range shot, dish, and play D.Let’s not trade him for Andre Miller yet.

      The Knicks problem is that Fields, if he’s a starter, needs to score 15 ppg.Then, on a night when Amar’e and Melo are off, he needs to score 20.

      People complain about Melo, and Stat’s high usage but we have two starters who won’t shoot and a rookie pg who probably shouldn’t.

      We don’t need to trade Stat.Melo is not just a chucker.Those two will be fine together.Chandler is just great, though I wish he’d demand the ball in the post a little just to keep the defense honest. Shump has been a revelation and might actually be a keeper PG or at least be good until BD gets back.The glaring issue on this team is the underachievement of Fields (and Douglas).

      and or they need to keep moving around, create commotion, so the other ones can score or dish

    38. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

      The West, meanwhile, is so wide open after OKC. Spurs, Knuggets, Blazers, Lakers, they all look really good at times. Old Knickerblogger favorite Dejuan Blair is having himself a year so far. Dalembert looking good for Houston. Why was Dalembert so undervalued this offseason? I mean, he is likely not as good as he has played so far, but he’s still a decent enough player and he plays a tough position and there did not seem to be a market for him at all, just Houston waiting until he accepted their offer. Why did Golden State sign Kwame instead of Dalembert?

    39. BigBlueAL

      Yankees greatly improved their starting pitching tonight. Another reason why being an optimistic Knicks fan is very easy for me, when they let me down in the end I always have the Yankees :-)

    40. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

      Yankees greatly improved their starting pitching tonight. Another reason why being an optimistic Knicks fan is very easy for me, when they let me down in the end I always have the Yankees :-)

      Ha! Yeah, that was some really impressive GMing there by Cashman, even though I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaate losing Montero.

    41. Shad0wF0x

      @49

      Hahaha. True that. I can always depend on the Yankees to be competitive. I feel kinda bad for the Orange and Blue fans thought (Knicks, Mets, Islanders fans)

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