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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Dec 30 2011)

  • [New York Times] Lakers 99, Knicks 82: Bryant Masterfully Guides Lakers Past Knicks (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:30:30 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant had 28 points and 6 assists and made three passes that broke open the game in the fourth quarter against the Knicks, who have lost eight in a row to the Lakers.

  • [New York Times] For Lakers’ Metta World Peace, a New Name and Outlook (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 06:56:11 GMT)
    Metta World Peace, the Lakers forward formerly known as Ron Artest, has generally steered clear of fights, flagrant fouls, technical fouls and controversy over the last several years.

  • [New York Times] Magic 94, Nets 78: Howard Shows Nets How Much They Could Use Him (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 06:52:13 GMT)
    Dwight Howard, who has said the Nets are one of three teams he wants to be traded to, had 16 points, 24 rebounds and 3 blocked shots in Orlando’s victory.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Durant 3-Pointer Keeps Mavericks Winless (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 06:52:18 GMT)
    Kevin Durant scored 30 points and hit a 3-pointer at the buzzer to lift the Thunder to a 104-102 victory against the Mavericks in a rematch of last season’s Western Conference finals.

  • [New York Times] Kobe Bryant Says He Advised Alex Rodriguez (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 06:52:13 GMT)
    The Laker star Kobe Bryant gave his endorsement of a cutting-edge medical treatment to the Yankees’ star.

  • [New York Times] Let’s Start Paying College Athletes (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:00:05 GMT)
    How to end the corrupt, contrived sentimentality of big-time college sports.

  • [New York Times] Kobe Shrugs of Wrist Injury as Lakers Beat Knicks (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:18:31 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant’s injured wrist did not prevent the All Star guard from lifting the LA Lakers to a 99-82 win over the visiting New York Knicks on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Kobe Scores 28, Lakers Surge Past Knicks in 4th (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 06:36:33 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant scored 28 points in yet another dynamic performance against the Knicks, and the Los Angeles Lakers pulled away in the fourth quarter for their ninth straight victory over New York, 99-82 Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Matthews Has 25 in Blazers’ 111-102 Win (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 06:00:33 GMT)
    Wesley Matthews had 25 points, including five 3-pointers in the second half, and the Portland Trail Blazers defeated the Denver Nuggets 111-102 on Thursday night to stay undefeated after three games this season.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Use Fast Start for 108-98 Win Over Kings (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:54:43 GMT)
    Derrick Rose had 19 points and eight assists and the Chicago Bulls earned a 108-98 victory over the Sacramento Kings on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Durant Leads Thunder Past Mavericks 104-102 (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:24:42 GMT)
    Kevin Durant thought he might have just given away a victory and let the Dallas Mavericks steal another one in heartbreaking fashion.

  • [New York Times] Kobe: I Directed A-Rod to Knee Therapy in Germany (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:27:30 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant confirms he recently directed Alex Rodriguez to the German doctor who performed the treatment the Yankees’ slugger had on his right knee.

  • [New York Times] Martin, Lowry Lead Rockets Over Spurs 105-85 (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:36:44 GMT)
    Kevin Martin scored 25 points, Luis Scola added 18 and Kyle Lowry had 16 points, nine rebounds and eight assists to lead the Houston Rockets to a 105-85 win over the San Antonio Spurs on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Magic Have Little Trouble in Beating Nets 94-78 (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:48:42 GMT)
    Ryan Anderson scored 22 points, Dwight Howard had 16 points and 24 rebounds and the Orlando Magic cruised to a 94-78 win over the New Jersey Nets on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Suns Sign Veteran Guard Redd to 1-Year Deal (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:21:55 GMT)
    Michael Redd has come to the Phoenix Suns in a bid to revive a career derailed by injury, something he knows Grant Hill accomplished before him.

  • [New York Post] Lakers beat Knicks, 99-82 (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 01:52:28 -0500)
    LOS ANGELES â?? Kobe Bryant scored 28 points in yet another dynamic performance against the Knicks, and the Los Angeles Lakers pulled away in the fourth quarter for their ninth straight victory over New York, 99-82 Thursday night.
    Pau Gasol had 16 points, 10 rebounds and five assists for the Lakers…

  • [New York Post] Knicks pounded by Lakers; Amar’e sprains ankle (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 06:10:29 -0500)
    LOS ANGELES â?” The new Knicks are looking like the old Knicks after three games.
    Their California Dreamin’ trip is turning into a California nightmare. The Knicks weren’t competitive last night in falling to Kobe Bryant’s Lakers, 99-82, at Staples Center, and now Amar’e Stoudemire is hurt with…

  • [New York Post] Thrown a learning curve (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:36:34 -0500)
    LOS ANGELES â?? Of course there was grumbling, and hand-wringing, and much public debate about what happened to the Knicks in Oakland on Wednesday night. All the ingredients were there:
    1. The opportunity for their first 2-0 start in over a decade.
    2. Lots of eyeballs, up late on a weeknight…

  • [New York Post] D’Antoni: Could be five weeks until Davis’ debut (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:53:39 -0500)
    LOS ANGELES â?? Lakers coach Mike Brown, who sought Baron Davis earlier this month, said he believes the Knicks will reap dividends when he gets healthy.The way the Knicks looked in their ugly 99-82 loss to the Lakers last night at Staples Center and their 92-78 defeat to the Warriors…

  • [New York Post] D’Antoni still doesn’t get it: He’s the guy in charge of the Knicks (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 06:18:43 -0500)
    Praise the Lord and pass Mark Jackson more ammunition.
    As usual, Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni offered a textbook excuse. Moments after Wednesday night’s game in Oakland, D’Antoni said he still hadn’t gotten a chance to see the X-ray of the 92-78 loss to the Stephen Curry-less…

  • [New York Newsday] Bryant scores 28 as Lakers beat Knicks (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:55:02 EST)
    There really is a constant in this rushed, haphazard start to the NBA season. Kobe Bryant still can take control of the game better than anyone, at least when it is a game against the Knicks.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks already at a turning point (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:58:11 GMT)
    The season is only three games old, but between Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby, the Knicks don’t have a reliable, front-line guard who can make smart decisions with the ball and figure out whether it needs to go to Carmelo Anthony or Amar’e Stoudemire.

  • [New York Daily News] LA-ndslide: Offensive showing in Knicks’ road loss (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:52:09 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant’s body, much like his supporting cast, may be showing signs of decline, but Bryant’s will and competitive fire are as strong as ever. Just ask the Knicks. Bryant scored 28 points as the Lakers, playing without Andrew Bynum, defeated the Knicks, 99-82, Thursday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks fall flat vs. Jax’s Warriors (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:43:33 GMT)
    As much as Mark Jackson tried to downplay his first game against the Knicks as an NBA head coach, he didn’t sound very convincing when he said he was treating it as just another game.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Kobe: We wanted to stick it to D'Antoni (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:51:47 EDT)
    Kobe Bryant talked the talk, and then he walked the walk.
    Behind Bryant’s game-high 28 points, the Lakers cruised to a 99-82 victory over the Knicks on Thursday night, pushing their winning streak to nine straight over the Bockers.
    Bryant entered the game averaging a whopping 34.1 points per game in his last eight appearances against the Knicks — his highest against any opponent. Although Bryant acknowledged the Knicks’ improved defense with Tyson Chandler before the game, he made it very clear why he has the success he does against the Knicks.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Rapid Reaction: Lakers 99, Knicks 82 (Fri, 30 Dec 2011 01:24:24 EDT)
    What It Means: This loss is obviously a little more understandable than the loss to Golden State, but the fact remains that the Knicks never really tested the Lakers in what could have been a huge statement game. The Knicks folded down the stretch, but more importantly they proved they have no answer when one of their stars has a bad offensive outing, losing 99-82 in L.A.
    Problems Defensively: The weakside defense for the Knicks tonight was, well, weak.

  • 65 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Dec 30 2011)

    1. Dave88

      Making matters seem worse is Stoudemire, who was dreadful last night, sprained his left ankle in the fourth quarter and would not guarantee he’d play Saturday vs. the Kings. “I have it wrapped up, I’ll get an assessment (Friday) on it and see how it feels,’’ Stoudemire said.

    2. danvt

      “They need a facilitator on the floor,” said Lakers Coach Mike Brown, who said the loss of Chauncey Billups — who was waived to make room for Chandler — “really hurts them.”

      But, Brown added, “When you have a guy like Baron Davis sitting in the wings, their time will come, if he can get healthy.”

      That may be the Knicks’ mantra for many weeks to come.

      OK I give. The guard play has been putrid and I can’t take it anymore. Still, I can’t believe how bad Amar’e was last night. They played off him 5 feet and he couldn’t make a shot, then he tried to drive anyway and that didn’t work either, then he turned his ankle and now he may not play. I’m depressed. I have to reevaluate my priorities in life…

    3. Nick C.

      It wasn’t much time but while he was here Billups did not seem very “facilitatory.” I believe the name he picked up was Chauncey Pullups. But speculation and the guy that isn’t there anymore is always better than reality.

    4. D.

      hahahhaha this is so funny. Well guess whaT, there are more ugly games to come, even when Baron returns it will take time plus almost everyone of the high usage superstars will likely have some form of injury like they did in 99. Guess thats why Magic said this is a team for next season not this season.

      danvt:
      “They need a facilitator on the floor,” said Lakers Coach Mike Brown, who said the loss of Chauncey Billups — who was waived to make room for Chandler — “really hurts them.”

      But, Brown added, “When you have a guy like Baron Davis sitting in the wings, their time will come, if he can get healthy.”

      That may be the Knicks’ mantra for many weeks to come.

      OK I give.The guard play has been putrid and I can’t take it anymore.Still, I can’t believe how bad Amar’e was last night.They played off him 5 feet and he couldn’t make a shot, then he tried to drive anyway and that didn’t work either, then he turned his ankle and now he may not play.I’m depressed.I have to reevaluate my priorities in life…

    5. ess-dog

      I’m sorry, how is Balkman not getting 30 minutes in this rotation??? He’s the only sub who play like he gives a crap.

    6. triplewgf

      In your opinion guys, exactly how bad is Bibby in terms of running the offense right now?

      I remember a quote about D’antoni from the 7 Seconds or Less book, something like… “If there’s a problem, we pump up the offense. If that doesn’t solve it — pump up the offense again.”

      Considering that it seems a lot of our problems right now are coming on the offensive end, and that can be attributed to TD’s lack of PG skills, would it be wise to just “take it on the chin” as far as defense goes and start Bibby at the point? (This is assuming he does a better job of running the offense) Then TD could go back to his sixth man role that he excelled in last year.

      We’ve got to involve our weapons (Stat and Tyson diving to the basket for easy hoops) — would Bibby be able to do it better?

    7. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Amar’e is like the star mathematics high schooler who is rabidly pursued by MIT’s admissions department. They offer him a full scholarship with a fast track to the nation’s top PhD programs, and he accepts it.

      When he gets to MIT, he talks a big game to his math professors, but enrolls in 5 theater classes instead.

      This team is putrid. Remember when I said 36-30 and y’all laughed? Let’s take the under on that one.

    8. tastycakes

      I’m not gonna panic after 3 games — it’s still effectively the pre-season — but the thing that bugs me is that the team really isn’t much fun to watch.

      Stat has been one of my favorite players in the league but he has simply not been very good so far, and that’s disturbing. Maybe he DOES need a good point guard or distributor to be effective. And the bench is scary bad. NBDL bad.

      The Knicks just need somebody, anybody who can run the offense. I’m watching all kinds of games, being all wrapped up in my NBA-junkie-first-week-excitement, and I look at guys like Felton and Lawson and James Harden and even Ricky Rubio and I see dudes who are not “elite superstar” point guards BUT who know how to handle the ball and make plays for their teammates.

      The Knicks are just boring right now, which sucks. I thought they’d be more fun.

    9. D.

      I think bibby looked the best running the offense, at this point he is similar to fisher in the sense that he is a couple of steps slow and therefore cant give us that down penetration to force the defense to collapse, if u actually watched the lakers you’d have noticed how kobe’s threat of penetration forced help leading to back door cuts and easy buckets for McBob and Barnes. Overall I think we are getting ahead of ourselves and everything will be fine. Although I seem to think Melo should have more high to mI’d post iso drives, with a line up of melody, amare, novak and either walker, fields and Td/bibby. Just my two cents.

    10. D.

      Nice post but remember it’s 2 seasons in the NBA, it’s better to suck now than come April plus fun doesn’t win ships. Remember San antonio won with the boring Tim Duncan hook shot hahahaha. Rubio and his Spanish fleet ain’t going anywhere.

      tastycakes:
      I’m not gonna panic after 3 games — it’s still effectively the pre-season — but the thing that bugs me is that the team really isn’t much fun to watch.

      Stat has been one of my favorite players in the league but he has simply not been very good so far, and that’s disturbing.Maybe he DOES need a good point guard or distributor to be effective.And the bench is scary bad.NBDL bad.

      The Knicks just need somebody, anybody who can run the offense.I’m watching all kinds of games, being all wrapped up in my NBA-junkie-first-week-excitement, and I look at guys like Felton and Lawson and James Harden and even Ricky Rubio and I see dudes who are not “elite superstar” point guards BUT who know how to handle the ball and make plays for their teammates.

      The Knicks are just boring right now, which sucks.I thought they’d be more fun.

    11. Phil Brank - Alien Extraordinaire

      Y’all are much more (rightfully) optimistic than the espnNY article commentators are. Here’s what i posted on an article there, surrounded by people screaming for heads to roll:

      Balkman has really hustled a lot, it really shows like he’s putting forth his a-game whenever he’s out there, and he’s had some tenacious dunks. I’m surprised he isn’t getting more minutes.

      I’m not like most fans i’m seeing here, i don’t think they should pull the plug or make any drastic changes. It’s a relief that D’Antoni actually realizes how awful our offense is; he seems so content sometimes even when we’re horrifically underperforming.

      STAT has definitely been off his game. So many open looks he had last night that he normally makes, CLANK. We need offensive continuity, the reason we keep seeing Melo in ISO is because no one else is taking the shot, and he’s right when he says other people need to take the open shot. But when the whole offense is faltering, nobody’s moving, Melo is going to be Melo and shoot it up, what else is he really supposed to do? He’s going to make that shot contested more than others will make it wide open.

      One thing Amare needs to do is pass out of his drives into the lane. 99% of the time he’s not going to pass it once he moves towards the hoop. He’s a very good finisher just like melo is, but melo passes it more and the whole defense just collapses on stat whenever he starts driving; this has led to blocks and turnovers.

      D’antoni deserves a lot of the blame for our failures the past 2 games, but this is REALLY early in the season. We started off really slow last year even with a competent point guard. We’ll get there, i just fear it might take half the season……

    12. Eternal OptiKnist

      My estimate at season start was 35-31 so i guess i’ll have to take the under to THCJ’s 36-30. With the backcourt issues we have + new team + short training camp, one had to assume a really crappy start. So while i expected a bad start, i’d be lying if i said i wasnt worried. But i’ll watch every maddening minute of every game hoping. My priorities are clearly not in order.

    13. Frank

      I’m actually not that sad that Amare might be out for the next game. Maybe he needs a few days off to collect his thoughts and decide how he wants to play this season – because the way he’s playing now is terrible. From Synergy- 35 freaking percent of his possessions are iso possessions. He is averaging 0.5 PPP on those. FYI, Jefferies averaged 0.73 PPP in 09-10 with the Knicks on his iso possessions. He has a grand total of 1 poss used as the PNR roll man as opposed to 20 in isolation. It’s not helping that he is absolutely bricking what is supposed to be a strength of his – mid-range J. Hopefully this is just a confidence thing and everything will get better when some of his jumpers start falling. But it seems like he needs a real talking-to by the coaches. Parts of last night were just ridiculous – driving coast to coast into a double team in transition? I called turnover before he passed half-court. And he seems good for at least one 3-4 possession stretch where he either turns the ball over or heaves up a prayer that gets blocked or bricks out.

      Some of this is his fault (driving into double teams hoping to get bailed out) but some of it is the guards. Why is he getting the ball when he’s posted up near the 3 point line? Nothing good can come of this.

      You know who needs more time on the court? Steve Novak. I know he can’t guard a chair but man is he deadly when he gets even an inch of space from behind the line.

      Unfortunately, as long as this goes on, we are going to have to lean on Melo even more. I literally think he should be the primary balllhandler on every possession, either on PnR or in the post where he can find cutters or open shooters on the wings. I can’t imagine how ugly last night’s game would’ve been if Melo wasn’t playing well (which he did). Actually I can – rest of team shot 25% last night if you take out Melo’s 8/14.

      I’m not panicking after 3 games – I’m just disappointed the OFFENSE looks this bad.

    14. Z-man

      Hate to say it, but TD and Landry is the worst starting backcourt in the league, and maybe in Knicks history. Right now, they stink on both ends of the court.

    15. D.

      Thanks Frank for further echoing my point. NOVAK needs more time than this Balkman man. I saw passes from melo drives to fields/bibby/td that werent even attempted last night but novak isnt afraid to shoot. The thing is i think melo is ahead of the team when it comes to space, people say he holds the ball on the perimeter too long and after pnr but if u dvrred the game, u would see that he demands a lot of attention and he passes it when he sees slight movement on the man guarding the shooters, in other words he is just trying to create space for a shot for others but the others are either not taking them or taking them too late or simply bricking. Ill live with isos all day. Although i think Defenses are ahead of offenses see the GS game, the bulls/lakers game the nyk/ celtics game, and even the mia/boston game. It will come tho. I love how everyone is reacting on the other blogs, oh New Yorkers, seriously that’s why the world’s greatest stock exchange lives in NY. I’ll triple my stock on the Knicks as others are yelling Sell! SELL! Sell! Like Cramer today. Go Knicks.

    16. Gamecockerbocker

      For everyone hating on Melo: just imagine how spectacularly putrid out offense would look without him. Stat can’t hit anything TD looks lost running the team Landry ha been a turnover machine, and Bibby needs to call up his summoner and beg for mercy. Im not panicking though, because I think we’ll hit our stride once we get healthy and outside of #7 and #8 seeding doesn’t matter in these eastern playoffs. We can finish anywhere from 3 to 6 and win a first round playoff series. I’d just really really like to watch some damn entertaining basketball when the Knicks are on…

    17. D.

      BTW quick trivia, the 99 Knicks were 21-21 after 42 games, I think they ended 2 games under 500 and still made the NBA finals. Just saying.

    18. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

      I’m actually not that sad that Amare might be out for the next game. Maybe he needs a few days off to collect his thoughts and decide how he wants to play this season – because the way he’s playing now is terrible. From Synergy- 35 freaking percent of his possessions are iso possessions. He is averaging 0.5 PPP on those. FYI, Jefferies averaged 0.73 PPP in 09-10 with the Knicks on his iso possessions. He has a grand total of 1 poss used as the PNR roll man as opposed to 20 in isolation. It’s not helping that he is absolutely bricking what is supposed to be a strength of his – mid-range J. Hopefully this is just a confidence thing and everything will get better when some of his jumpers start falling. But it seems like he needs a real talking-to by the coaches. Parts of last night were just ridiculous – driving coast to coast into a double team in transition? I called turnover before he passed half-court. And he seems good for at least one 3-4 possession stretch where he either turns the ball over or heaves up a prayer that gets blocked or bricks out.

      Which really makes you wonder – did they even have a plan coming into this season? It sure doesn’t sound like it. It is like they’re figuring things will just work themselves out.

    19. Gamecockerbocker

      Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): Which really makes you wonder – did they even have a plan coming into this season? It sure doesn’t sound like it. It is like they’re figuring things will just work themselves out.

      I tried to post that same sentiment on DDL last night a couple times but it didnt go through. They look like they’re playing pickup ball honestly and d’Antoni looks like he doesn’t have a problem with it.

    20. Garson

      Gamecockerbocker: For everyone hating on Melo: just imagine how spectacularly putrid out offense would look without him. Stat can’t hit anything TD looks lost running the team Landry ha been a turnover machine, and Bibby needs to call up his summoner and beg for mercy. …

      You cant compare the team with melo and without…. You would have to compare it to the roster of Felton Feilds Gallo Amare and Moz with douglass chandler turiaf and currys contract money. personally, i loved that team and each win or close loss was fun. to watch them gel toghether and feed of each other was great.

    21. Frank

      Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): Which really makes you wonder – did they even have a plan coming into this season? It sure doesn’t sound like it. It is like they’re figuring things will just work themselves out.

      I’m planning on spending some time watching the Synergy tape from the game, just to see if there were actually any plays drawn or whether it actually was what it seemed like when I watching it – 4 guys standing around and 1 guy trying to drive into a double team. We’ve basically played 1.5 quarters of good offensive basketball, which happened to be the first 1.5 quarters of the year. What happened to all the ball movement we saw in that first half of the Boston game?

    22. D.

      the travesty! People are now talking about how the Knicks should have amnestied Amare instead of billups. Seriously the madness has to stop. I posted it on here to see if someone would dare defend this.

    23. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Face it: it’s not about “gelling.” It’s about not being a good basketball team. We have, for our viewing pleasure: a 6’3″ SG running the point; a good player in a serious sophomore slump; a “superstar” chucker who obviously doesn’t make his teammates better even if he “draws double teams,” which, frankly, is bullshit; a “superstar” power forward who apparently thinks he’s Dirk Nowitzki because he got a max deal; and a great, efficient center who hasn’t done anything so far this year. And then there’s the bench.

      This team will be lucky to hit .500.

    24. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      D.:
      the travesty! People are now talking about how the Knicks should have amnestied Amare instead of billups. Seriously the madness has to stop. I posted it on here to see if someone would dare defend this.

      Amnestying him would be a terrible move. Teams still think he’s an excellent player (which he’s not). Should he be traded for draft picks and high-efficiency, low salary players? Absolutely.

    25. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      D.:
      BTW quick trivia,the 99 Knicks were 21-21 after 42 games, I think they ended 2 games under 500 and still made the NBA finals. Just saying.

      Do you know how many teams have pulled that off?

    26. JK47

      Once our elite superstar who is a top-15 player in the NBA gets going, we’ll be fine.

      I’m talking about Landry Fields of course.

    27. Frank

      So just sped through the 1st quarter of Synergy tape (just our offensive possessions) from last night and it really wasn’t that bad. Melo had two TOs – one on a bad pass that was terrible, the other on an iffy offensive foul which could have gone either way. The problem really was that Amare missed 3 wide-open 15-foot-ish jumpers (all uncontested with plenty of space), and also tried to drive coast to coast again on a transition play and bricked the runner. Otherwise, the 1st quarter offense really wasn’t bad.

      Will try to watch the rest of the game also – I assume the 4th quarter was just awful.

    28. JK47

      In last night’s game the team must have missed 15 uncontested jumpers– mainly Amar’e, Douglas, Fields and Bibby.

    29. Z

      Gamecockerbocker: They look like they’re playing pickup ball honestly and d’Antoni looks like he doesn’t have a problem with it.

      I sat right behind the Knick bench last night and could hear them in the huddles. I can tell you Barron Davis was more vocal in time-outs, getting on the players for their missed rotations and poor offensive execution, than D’Antoni. Davis was chagrined almost the entire game, and it wasn’t because of his herniated disc. He and Chandler were the only guys taking the game personally, and Davis wasn’t even playing.

    30. KnickfaninNJ

      This was the first game this season I was free to watch. I agree with Tastycakes, the Knicks played boring basketball, and mostly, though not always, poor basketball. There just wasn’t much ball movement or motion off of the ball.

      What I didn’t understand about the game was the difference between the first and second halves. In the first half, they just let LA have too many easy baskets and the score reflected that. LA had 63 points to NY’s 51. The 63 was way too many to give up, while the 51 actually wasn’t so bad for the half. I felt like they actually needed Jeffries rather than a point guard. But in the second half they held LA to 36 points total, which is a good number. The trouble was, they only scored 31 themselves. Then it was like they needed better guard play. I couldn’t figure out why the halves were so different (except that the Knicks missed a lot of threes in the second half). Can anyone comment?

    31. JK47

      @30

      This doesn’t surprise me at all. D’Antoni does not seem to be a coach that is a stickler for details.

    32. Frank

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Face it: it’s not about “gelling.” It’s about not being a good basketball team. We have, for our viewing pleasure: a 6’3? SG running the point; a good player in a serious sophomore slump; a “superstar” chucker who obviously doesn’t make his teammates better even if he “draws double teams,” which, frankly, is bullshit; a “superstar” power forward who apparently thinks he’s Dirk Nowitzki because he got a max deal

      Unbelievably, I sort of agree with all of your points except (as usual) Carmelo and Landry Fields.

      Re: Fields – I would love to be wrong about this but he has played 89 games in his career – 54 pre-All-star break in 2010-11 and 35 after that (28 post-AS-break, 4 playoff, 3 in 11-12). The first 54 were great although beyond anyone’s wildest dreams. The last 35, his performance has been really really terrible. Just awful. So which one is the real Landry Fields?

      Re: Melo – it’s a different world now for Melo so you need to stop with your preconceived notions about Melo prior to being a Knick. Different situation, potentially different performance. Like I said before, his TS% was 57.5% here last year, which wouldn’t you know it, is Kevin Durant’s career TS% – is he an overrated chucker? This year (only 3 games, I know), his TS is 65.3, and while he is still technically a “chucker” with a usage of 28.5, wouldn’t you WANT the guy with 65.3% TS taking all your shots?

      And last thing – if you don’t think it’s useful having a player that requires double teams from the defense, then you seriously need to go and actually play basketball and not blindly trust Berri’s equations, which I am almost certain you don’t actually understand unless you are a statistician, math major, or engineer. I’m not a good player, but from what I can tell, it’s easier to score when there’s no one guarding you.

    33. Z

      Phil Brank – Alien Extraordinaire:

      Balkman has really hustled a lot, it really shows like he’s putting forth his a-game whenever he’s out there, and he’s had some tenacious dunks. I’m surprised he isn’t getting more minutes.

      About the only positive thing to sitting, depressed, behind the bench was that I noticed that Balkman has tattoos on his eyelids. I found myself watching him blink, just so I could try to read what they said. I looked it up. They say: Hustle Harder.

      Dude is willing to tattoo his eyeballs, I think he deserves more PT.

    34. Phil Brank - Alien Extraordinaire

      Z: About the only positive thing to sitting, depressed, behind the bench was that I noticed that Balkman has tattoos on his eyelids. I found myself watching him blink, just so I could try to read what they said. I looked it up. They say: Hustle Harder.Dude is willing to tattoo his eyeballs, I think he deserves more PT.

      Wow, that is crazy. And besides the really stupid foul on the million foot 3 pointer kobe miraculously made i thought he played decent defense. There’s not much more you can do when guarding Kobe, and he was just draining all the tough shots.

    35. KnickfaninNJ

      One of these days I think we should select an All Tattoo team from the NBA. You have to select someone for each position and they have to have outstanding tattoos. it would be nice if they played well too. It could be fun picking them.

    36. bobneptune

      triplewgf:
      In your opinion guys, exactly how bad is Bibby in terms of running the offense right now?

      how bad is bibby? did you watch the game last night?

      vescey said it best this morning in the post….” not only is bibby’s tank empty…. but somebody stole the alternator, too!”

    37. bobneptune

      JK47:
      @30

      This doesn’t surprise me at all. D’Antoni does not seem to be a coach that is a stickler for details.

      the funniest line of the broadcast last night was when one of the announcers said he talked to d’antoni in a pre game schmooze and they were talking about playing a zone against the lakers.

      d’antoni said, “we didn’t have time to put in a zone defense in training camp!”

      wtf…. a team with horrible (sans chandler) on the ball defenders didn’t bother to put a zone defense in???? what were they doing during practice?

      isn’t that complete negligence on the coach’s part??? that’s quite a damning admission.

    38. bobneptune

      KnickfaninNJ:
      One of these days I think we should select an All Tattoo team from the NBA.You have to select someone for each position and they have to have outstanding tattoos.it would be nice if they played well too.It could be fun picking them.

      birdman = lock first ballot hall of famer

    39. jon abbey

      Z: I sat right behind the Knick bench last night and could hear them in the huddles. I can tell you Barron Davis was more vocal in time-outs, getting on the players for their missed rotations and poor offensive execution, than D’Antoni. Davis was chagrined almost the entire game, and it wasn’t because of his herniated disc. He and Chandler were the only guys taking the game personally, and Davis wasn’t even playing.

      Baron for player/coach! :)

    40. Z

      jon abbey: Baron for player/coach! :)

      Seriously. (I feel you and I may be alone among KBers– that Davis is probably the most important player on the team. I love the guy, not just for what he can do on the court, but because he is a person that is easy to root for: smart and passionate, unlike the enigmatic reputation that seems to precede him).

      When the player who cares the most is in street clothes, it’s a problem.

    41. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Amnestying him would be a terrible move. Teams still think he’s an excellent player (which he’s not). Should he be traded for draft picks and high-efficiency, low salary players? Absolutely.

      Here’s a question I asked on Twitter – Does Amar’e look like he’s lost his explosiveness/back woes still bothering him? I’m genuinely worried…

    42. Juany8

      The Knicks’ main problem is that Carmelo is literally the only person capable of dribbling the ball and making good decisions. Whether you like Carmelo or not, he’s been the primary offensive option on A bunch of Nuggets teams that were always ranked high in both offensive efficiency and pace. Those Nuggets team lost not because they had a “boring iso offense” but because they didn’t have the size to match up with the Lakers and thus whatever Carmelo did was ultimately meaningless (Kobe lost a lot too without got good big men). Now he’s in an offense that has mike bibby and toney douglas dribbling up the ball, with an off guard in landry fields whose afraid to take an open shot, literally the only thing he’s good for on offense. Baron Davis doesn’t need to be a superstar. He just needs to be able to run a simple pick and roll, hit the open man, and run in transition. Basically be what Jason Kidd was last year

    43. BigBlueAL

      I wish Melo was a “chucker”. So far he has taken 17, 13 and 14 FGA.

      Also the 1999 Knicks finished 27-23, not bad for an 8th seed and only 6 games behind the 3 teams tied with the best record in the East that season.

    44. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      If Carmelo plays as well as he has the entire season, he’ll be league MVP and deserve it. It’s a matter of time before his TS% comes back to earth.

    45. BigBlueAL

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      If Carmelo plays as well as he has the entire season, he’ll be league MVP and deserve it. It’s a matter of time before his TS% comes back to earth.

      Thats the nicest thing you have ever said about him :-)

    46. jon abbey

      Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta): Here’s a question I asked on Twitter – Does Amar’e look like he’s lost his explosiveness/back woes still bothering him? I’m genuinely worried…

      I don’t know, if anything I think he looks musclebound as a few people wrote here last night, meaning the extra muscle he put on has hurt his jumping ability. he did have one serious flush in traffic against the Lakers, though.

    47. flossy

      Re: Amar’e, it’s hard to look explosive when you’re taking 20 foot jump shots out of rhythm because nobody can/will pass you the ball in a position to score.

    48. daJudge

      I’m still troubled by the earlier entry (can’t post at work) noting that coach said we had no zone D because there was not enough time to teach it–teach it–are you kidding me…to who, an under-achieving sixth grade team that’s used to playing man up? Who on this team needs to be taught zone defense? Whoever posted this (can’t find it now), is this true or a joke. If it’s true, really? What else hasn’t been taught, the PnR apparently. Jon, I don’t think we need to worry too much about Amare’s mid-range shot, but it may take a little honing in if his body type is altered a bit.

    49. ess-dog

      Anthony Randolph has “erupted” for 12 points in the 1st half against Miami. Twolves up 2 at the half.

      I know it will never happen, but if Dwight went to Minny w/ Love, Williams and Rubio, that would be a fantastic core.

    50. ess-dog

      The other Randolph “Zach” is kicking some Rocket ass. +19, 8-10 from the field and 9 boards. He’s become a nice player.

    51. Z-man

      Continuing my rant at the end of the last thread, I feel that the poor play of our starting guards is making it nearly impossible to win without Melo taking over like he did in game 1. Both TD and Landry are relatively poor ball-handlers, poor passers, and unable to break down anybody who is guarding them. This severely limits what you can do on offense. They are compounding their problems on the defensive end, causing the bigs to rotate way more than they should have to. Neither guy has looked like an NBA player, much less a starter, in the first 3 games, especially on the defensive end in the 2nd half of the last 2 games. I do think that they are better than they have played, but they are just not starters on a good team, unless you have a MJ or LeBron to mask their deficiencies. Melo did it somewhat in game 1 but he can’t do it every night, he’s just not enough of a guard.

    52. danvt

      OK I took a long walk in Manhattan today, bought one of those down jackets at Uniqlo, and basically cleared my head. My optimism is back. I will come back to my roll as “fanbois”, “nut hugger” and defender of “our guys”. I pledge to ignore statistics that don’t lineup with my take on reality (and even ones that do). I will use the “eye test” and assume that “coach knows best”. I reserve the right to change my mind after one bad play and post reactions that contradict things I’ve said before.

      So, with that disclaimer, I think…

      One problem is that Stat practiced three pointers all summer (and fall) and it’s thrown off his mid range game. No reason to think he won’t get that back. If he shoots well, which I think he will, we will be better, which I think we will.

      I really think that throwing the ball to our new center in the post would be a good idea. Just to keep the defense honest and him happy. I know it’s not “his game” (not actually quoting anyone there)

      I think, as I recall, last year, the K’s reached their early season nadir right before a good win against “Sacratomato” (Steve Summers). Maybe history repeats.

      On the whole, “no time to install a zone” comment. Coach D is very candid and says things like ” I think I can figure it out…” He’s no Rex Ryan, as far as bravado goes. When it works it’s really fun to watch his teams, though, and that includes last years Knicks. And not just pre trade. 14 and 14 with Melo and Shelden Williams isn’t bad either when you think about that roster.

      Carmelo is the only player on the team who’s playing well right now. I think there’s nothing to complain about with him at this juncture. 3-13 against GSW was bad, but that’s not that many shots.

    53. BigBlueAL

      If Knicks win tonight they will enter the new year in 1st place in the Atlantic Division. I will take it lol

    54. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

      If Knicks win tonight they will enter the new year in 1st place in the Atlantic Division. I will take it lol

      Ha! Agreed. That definitely is nice. The teams that are doing well in the East are not in the Knicks’ division.

    55. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

      KnickfaninNJ:
      This was the first game this season I was free to watch.I agree with Tastycakes, the Knicks played boring basketball, and mostly, though not always, poor basketball.There just wasn’t much ball movement or motion off of the ball.

      What I didn’t understand about the game was the difference between the first and second halves.In the first half, they just let LA have too many easy baskets and the score reflected that.LA had 63 points to NY’s 51. The 63 was way too many to give up, while the 51 actually wasn’t so bad for the half. I felt like they actually needed Jeffries rather than a point guard. But in the second half they held LA to 36 points total, which is a good number.The trouble was, they only scored 31 themselves.Then it was like they needed better guard play. I couldn’t figure out why the halves were so different (except that the Knicks missed a lot of threes in the second half).Can anyone comment?

      yeah thats when they were playting the most iso and the most clock management but there defense was putrid look at the stats in the second the lakers scored 81 percent of there shots and were 71 percent at the half in the third they slowed them down but they ended up wioth a little over 50 percent in the game honestly they had more turnovers in the second half and slowed the ball down

    56. BigBlueAL

      Plus the next 5 games after tonight are against East cupcakes before a home game vs Philly followed by road games in Memphis and OKC before returning home for 4 straight games.

      Hopefully they can fight thru this early stretch while playing badly yet being able to win enough games to stay above .500 while waiting for Davis to get healthy along with Shump and of course Jeffries lol

    57. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

      ok guys i must say again we don’t need anything we just need to maximize our players play to there strengths use good player management. its a short season mda needs to keep fresh legs on the floor. we need to hustle and we cant hustle if everybody is tired. i agree with melo n amare pic n roll that’s a good idea since amare can shoot n drive n finish strong and i don’t think amare has back problems i think its the total opposite i think he has put so much muscle in n that extra half in he has in his back adjustment has him of by inches n we all know that basketball like football is a game of inches. he needs to practice his shots more not so much his three pointers and i agree he needs to get a post game back to basket i think that will make him the complete player. td just needs to be used as a spot up shooter and when melo’s out there use him to facilitate and when we are up let him run ISO to use up the clock n find open teammates and then they can spread the floor. when he sirs put in bibby that’s what we got him for hes obviously better than td at passing the ball even i could see that. melo and balkman have chemistry use them together they have played together in Denver use that when you rest amare when these are the lineups i would use during the game in certain situations see next blog

    58. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

      td fields melo novak and chandler here you lose defense but you don’t lose offense with novack’s three ball prowess but you can rest amare

      bibby fields balkman amare and Jerome Jordan ok you might lose melo but you can run the pic n roll or pop with bibby and amare you gain speed hustle and don’t lose rebounding or size while adding some deeper shots from the center position and you have fields and balkman who are both hustlers so they can compensate for the loss of scoring with some rebounding without losing some defense

      td walker melo amare n Jordan now this is perfect when you need turnovers and speed on your floor all are tall except your point but are very quick on the feet they are slashers make sure they go to the basket and attack with this squad cause foul trouble leave amare ten to fifteen feet away to shoot or blow past the defender have Jordan hover in the 12 feet and under range opposite amare whoever slashes either shoots or passes if shot Jordan and amare crash the boards the other two go back on d this will work best with teams that have quick guards and good rebounders like the Celtics

      if you want defense you get td fields walker/balkman amare and chandler you put walker on the slow sf and balkman on the tall sm like gallo you have your pickpockets in td and fields and walker you have your rebounding and inside grit in chandler amare and balkman this would be the perfect time when you need to sit melo in the third and rest your other players by playing zone you can play a 2 3 zone with balkman and a 3 2 zone with walker with walker as your middle defending guard these are great ideas if you ask me and all plausible in a long season

    59. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

      sorry guys i know i already posted this the day before but i needed some actual comments to see if you guys think i make any sense just being honest i love my knicks and these are just 3 games but the knicks will gel and the Knicks will play better d more consistently i truly believe that and amare said this is a must win n if you remember last year when he said that things changed then got bad then he got ticked iof put the team on the bus and we started really winning like i said before he is our team leader and Carmelo is our finisher we have all the pieces we just have to play them right

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