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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Dec 21 2012)

  • [New York Post] Woodson: No doubt Tyson an All-Star (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 04:24:09 -0500)
    As Tyson Chandler continues to anchor their defense, keep balls alive on offense and rock the rim with alley-oop dunks, Knicks coach Mike Woodson sees in his center’s future a first All-Star berth in February and a second straight Defensive Player of the Year Award.
    Chandler has been that…

  • [New York Post] Amar’e vows to regain dominance â?? just not yet (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:11:07 -0500)
    Amar’e Stoudemire talked big and bold about returning to his “dominant self” this season.
    “Without a doubt. I’m on pace to return back to dominance,” Stoudemire said. “It’s a matter of becoming 100 percent. When I’m healthy, I feel I’ll be back to my dominant…

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves 99, Thunder 93: Barea Helps Snap Thunder’s Win Streak (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:52:54 GMT)
    J. J. Barea scored 14 of his 18 points in the fourth quarter and the Minnesota Timberwolves ended Oklahoma City’s 12-game winning streak with a 99-93 victory over the Thunder in Minneapolis.

  • [New York Times] Blazers Defeat Nuggets 101-93 for 4th Straight Win (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:25:41 GMT)
    J.J. Hickson had 18 points and 18 rebounds for his sixth straight double-double, and the Portland Trail Blazers beat the Denver Nuggets 101-93 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Stoudemire Now a Problem for Knicks (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:14:47 GMT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire gave the Knicks instant respectability when he signed with them in 2010. But this season, they have become an elite team in his absence.

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves End Thunder’s 12-Games Winning Streak (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 04:55:27 GMT)
    The Minnesota Timberwolves, boosted by a brilliant fourth quarter from diminutive guard J.J. Barea, got a welcome shot of confidence with a 99-93 win over Oklahoma City on Thursday to snap the Thunder’s winning streak at 12 games.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Section 15: Winning Bid (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 04:09:35 GMT)
    Connie and Jeff Fagan made the trip from Dumbo after winning their Section 15 tickets in a silent auction.

  • [New York Times] Lebron Shines Brightest on Every Stage (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 02:37:30 GMT)
    LeBron James finally captured an elusive National Basketball Association title to cap a year where he silenced his critics and shared the spotlight with some unlikely players.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Should Knicks’ Felton Be Shooting So Much? (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 02:31:21 GMT)
    Knicks point guard Raymond Felton is converting fewer than 40 percent of his field goal attempts on a team that collectively shoots 45 percent from the field.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 100, Nets 86: Knicks Demonstrate Distance From Nets With Win (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:49:24 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony scored 31 points after missing two games because of a sprained left ankle as the Knicks won for the 10th time in 12 games, while the Nets lost their third straight game.

  • [New York Daily News] Amar’e not ready to return quite yet (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 04:19:03 GMT)
    One of the Erie Bayhawks’ guards drove to the rim Thursday at the Knicks’ Greenburgh practice facility, only to have Amar’e Stoudemire swat his layup and send it ricocheting off the head of a referee. Yes, Stoudemire was back on the practice court with the Knicks’ D-League affiliate for the second time in three days, looking fit while continuing his rehab from left knee surgery. But the power forward and Mike Woodson both said it’s doubtful Stoudemire will return to the lineup for Sunday’s home game against Minnesota. And Knicks fans might not want to hold their breath over Stoudemire making a Christmas Day cameo in Los Angeles against the Lakers, either.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Shump in conditioning mode (Fri, 21 Dec 2012 02:53:50 GMT)
    Mike Woodson said Shumpert did not participate in any contact drills and was not sure when Shumpert would resume scrimmaging. “This is the first step, today, to get (Shumpert) on the floor, get some really good conditioning work in. He’s still a little ways away,â? said Woodson.

  • 32 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Dec 21 2012)

    1. Juany8

      It was ugly reading the Beck article, I know Ruru and others been super optimistic about Amar’e, but I really don’t feel comfortable with the thought of Amar’e finishing games for the Knicks, especially in the playoffs. Why would you put a player out there that you know people are going to specifically attack on offense? We’ll see I guess, but if he starts asking for more minutes and playing no defense he’s going to be net negative

    2. Nick C.

      The Off the Dribble article discusses two things we do. Does Ray shoot too much? Yes. The symbiosis with his bad shooting and Tyson’s productivity. The article states when the defense switches on the PnR instead of posting the smaller man Tyson seeks out OR position. Ray Ray obliges by driving and frequently missing. Tyson then smash. We have certainly seen and commented on the Ray miss Tyson rebound and score. Does he really set up in OR position on switches? I don’t look or notice so I can’t say.

    3. ephus

      Part of believing in Coach Woodson is believing that he will be able to solve the problem of too much. I am not certain how he is going to incorporte Stoudemire and Shumpert into the rotation, or whose minutes are going to decrease, but I am confident that he has a well-thoughtout plan. It probably will take five games to incorporate STAT and may take more to incorporate Shumpert. But Woody has earned our trust.

      This is a great time to be a Knick fan.

    4. Frank

      Juany8:
      It was ugly reading the Beck article, I know Ruru and others been super optimistic about Amar’e, but I really don’t feel comfortable with the thought of Amar’e finishing games for the Knicks, especially in the playoffs. Why would you put a player out there that you know people are going to specifically attack on offense? We’ll see I guess, but if he starts asking for more minutes and playing no defense he’s going to be net negative

      I guess we’ll see how Amare looks on D. I feel pretty comfortable saying that he was improved after Woodson came aboard last year, so maybe that will continue. Otherwise he may go offense/defense with Amare just like he does with Brewer/Novak. I can totally see a Felton/Shump/Brewer/Anthony/Tyson closing defensive lineup (depending on matchups of course).

    5. WeirdJohn

      Frank: I guess we’ll see how Amare looks on D. I feel pretty comfortable saying that he was improved after Woodson came aboard last year, so maybe that will continue. Otherwise he may go offense/defense with Amare just like he does with Brewer/Novak.I can totally see a Felton/Shump/Brewer/Anthony/Tyson closing defensive lineup (depending on matchups of course).

      Don’t post here much because I just don’t have the basketball knowledge many of you do. Plus, being in Indiana (NJ transplant) I don’t see too many games. It’s great to just read the comments and absorb.

      Frank, I see your defensive lineup and I’m wondering wouldn’t you swap Kidd for Felton? Granted Kidd is older, but I think his experience gives him a step up on Felton on defense.

    6. WeirdJohn

      Frank: I guess we’ll see how Amare looks on D. I feel pretty comfortable saying that he was improved after Woodson came aboard last year, so maybe that will continue. Otherwise he may go offense/defense with Amare just like he does with Brewer/Novak.I can totally see a Felton/Shump/Brewer/Anthony/Tyson closing defensive lineup (depending on matchups of course).

      Don’t post here much because I just don’t have the basketball knowledge many of you do. Plus, being in Indiana (NJ transplant) I don’t see too many games. It’s great to just read the comments and absorb.

      Frank, I see your defensive lineup and I’m wondering wouldn’t you swap Kidd for Felton? Granted Kidd is older, but I think his experience gives him a step up on Felton on defense.

      Sorry for the double post. I obviously don’t have much html experience either. Dur.

    7. lavor postell

      That Beck article reads like the ESPN hit piece on Melo. Again we are subjected to the knowledge of a “a rival executive” who is revealing all these dark secrets. No chance a rival executive would try to disrupt an Eastern Conference leading 19-6 team’s cohesion and focus by spreading rumors. Also sports reporting is always sourced in a completely truthful manner.

      The scenario that the Knicks were just out there offering Stoudemire up on a platter even though the numbers bear out his steady improvement every month during the 2011-12 season doesn’t sound plausible to me. Let’s not forget that Amar’e pretty much went beast mode against Philly, improved defensively under Woodson and most importantly, we were winning with STAT, Melo and Chandler logging significant minutes together.

      Really we were so desperate to move Amar’e we were willing to take a player who makes STAT look like an all-time defensive legend (Bargnani)? I am sure that the Knicks would have at least Orlando to guage the interest in Dwight, but that’s prudent. That story came out last year. It seems like a bid to stir controversy around a team who for once hasn’t had much to deal with in season.

    8. d-mar

      lavor postell:
      That Beck article reads like the ESPN hit piece on Melo.Again we are subjected to the knowledge of a “a rival executive” who is revealing all these dark secrets.No chance a rival executive would try to disrupt an Eastern Conference leading 19-6 team’s cohesion and focus by spreading rumors.Also sports reporting is always sourced in a completely truthful manner.

      The scenario that the Knicks were just out there offering Stoudemire up on a platter even though the numbers bear out his steady improvement every month during the 2011-12 season doesn’t sound plausible to me.Let’s not forget that Amar’e pretty much went beast mode against Philly, improved defensively under Woodson and most importantly, we were winning with STAT, Melo and Chandler logging significant minutes together.

      Really we were so desperate to move Amar’e we were willing to take a player who makes STAT look like an all-time defensive legend (Bargnani)?I am sure that the Knicks would have at least Orlando to guage the interest in Dwight, but that’s prudent.That story came out last year.It seems like a bid to stir controversy around a team who for once hasn’t had much to deal with in season.

      Totally agree. Beck has had a serious bug up his ass about the Knicks for a few years now, not sure if they mistreated him or insulted his wife or what. But he treats the return of STAT like it’s some looming disaster, whereas his addition to the 2nd unit should be nothing but positive. And Woodson will play no favorites, so if STAT is sucking at the defensive end, a quick hook will follow.

      And I also don’t buy those rumors that the Knicks were willing to dump Amare for nothing.

    9. ruruland

      Beck’s had an anti-Knicks agenda for some time. If he worked for another establishment it would be easy to admit.

      Remember these:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/sports/basketball/knicks-carmelo-anthony-has-poor-playoff-track-record.html?_r=0

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/sports/basketball/anthonys-return-has-hurt-the-knicks.html

      Much of the time it’s not even that subtle. But there’s an anti-Knick bias in most of Beck’s stories. It’s often the lack of balance in his reporting, and the consistent omission of certain facts and arguments that would rival his agenda/narrative.

    10. Frank

      Usually agree with Ruru but I think Beck is about as reliable a reporter as there is in this business. It was really a loss for Knick fans when he went over to the Nets — he and Hahn were really the only beat writers that weren’t drama queens.

      That being said, I’m not a journalist and don’t need to make my living by getting people to read what I write — and so maybe it’s easy for me to say this– but what’s the point of this article except to get attention (ie. linkbait)? Everyone knew that Amare was an untradeable contract because of injuries + no insurance + worsening productivity. Just because new information becomes available doesn’t make it press-worthy, in my opinion. Honestly, (and this is not true of course, just an example) – if someone had info that Howard Beck’s wife had really wanted to marry someone else, but then Howard asked her and she thought he was kinda ok and married him because they other guy wasn’t really going to work out, that’s new info, but is that pressworthy? No – it’s just to get eyes onto a website/newspaper page, and is unnecessarily cruel. Why rub Amare’s nose in it?

      I know it’s to sell papers and page views, but you’d think the NY Times would try to be above that. And in a newsflash, I’m totally naive.

    11. jon abbey

      it’s not just agendas, I think Beck is pretty lousy in general. I’m surprised that the NY Times hasn’t hired someone better, but on the other hand, their sports section has been generally pretty embarrassing for decades now (which is especially crazy given their far deeper pockets than pretty much all of the competition).

    12. jon abbey

      heh, crosspost with Frank, who I usually agree with but don’t here. FWIW, I do have a journalistic background, having worked at Time for a decade-plus and with a handful of friends currently writing for the Times (although none for the sports dept).

    13. BigBlueAL

      Beck was one of my favorite (if not my favorite) Knick beat writer for a while but the last couple of seasons once the Knicks started finally becoming respectable he started really being a bit of an ass when writing about them. He seemed to always go out of his way to squelch any optimism about the team.

      This summer when he became a Nets beat writer it really became obvious how much he disliked the Knicks and how pro-Nets he became by his articles and tweets.

    14. Frank

      BigBlueAL: This summer when he became a Nets beat writer it really became obvious how much he disliked the Knicks and how pro-Nets he became by his articles and tweets.

      maybe that’s true. I did find that article about the Knicks’ silence re: letting Lin go pretty whiny.

    15. ruruland

      BigBlueAL:
      Beck was one of my favorite (if not my favorite) Knick beat writer for a while but the last couple of seasons once the Knicks started finally becoming respectable he started really being a bit of an ass when writing about them.He seemed to always go out of his way to squelch any optimism about the team.

      This summer when he became a Nets beat writer it really became obvious how much he disliked the Knicks and how pro-Nets he became by his articles and tweets.

      Right, I don’t understand how this isn’t obvious to folks?

      BigBlueAL:
      Beck was one of my favorite (if not my favorite) Knick beat writer for a while but the last couple of seasons once the Knicks started finally becoming respectable he started really being a bit of an ass when writing about them.He seemed to always go out of his way to squelch any optimism about the team.

      This summer when he became a Nets beat writer it really became obvious how much he disliked the Knicks and how pro-Nets he became by his articles and tweets.

    16. ruruland

      Frank: maybe that’s true. I did find that article about the Knicks’ silence re: letting Lin go pretty whiny.

      Bias can manifest through omission, too.

      To me, it’s okay, good even, to present critical analysis of the Knicks since the Melo trade. But Beck almost never provides the other argument, or relevant facts to counter-arguments.

      Everyone learns this in J-school.

      I think if I spent the time to go through every Beck article the last two years it would be apparent to everyone.

      I was thinking about doing this awhile back.

    17. ephus

      I do not think we can underestimate how much the Dolans PO working media by the lock-down that they put on every Knick employee. Walsh, allowed to speak freely, would basically write columns for guys by being smart (in both senses of the word) and funny. The Dolan cone of silence deprived the press of a great source. James Dolan has down some nice things lately – the 12/12/12 concert was basically his baby, the Knicks have been soaring and Dolan is one of the doves in the ridiculous NHL lockout. But, he is never going to get positive press in this town as long as he treats the media as the enemy.

    18. ruruland

      ephus:
      I do not think we can underestimate how much the Dolans PO working media by the lock-down that they put on every Knick employee.Walsh, allowed to speak freely, would basically write columns for guys by being smart (in both senses of the word) and funny.The Dolan cone of silence deprived the press of a great source.James Dolan has down some nice things lately – the 12/12/12 concert was basically his baby, the Knicks have been soaring and Dolan is one of the doves in the ridiculous NHL lockout.But, he is never going to get positive press in this town as long as he treats the media as the enemy.

      I’d say that’s definitely part of it. still no excuse for the way Beck covered his beat.

      Just a slightly different tone with his Brooklyn beat.

    19. BigBlueAL

      I believe Beck is actually from Brooklyn (its one of the reasons if I remember correctly that he was happy to switch to the Nets beat) so in that regard I can see why he would be excited to be covering the Nets and no longer the Knicks.

      The funny part is how almost all Knick fans hate Berman and Isola yet I dont really mind them at all lol. They have both been covering the team since the late 90′s and at least this season judging by their tone and stuff they tweet they seem to actually be enjoying covering good Knick teams again. Also as annoying/stupid as Isola can be on Twitter its funny seeing him needle the beat writers of the Heat and Nets for being homers and cheer leaders for their teams.

      Admittedly though the reason I probably dont mind Berman and Isola is because of how complimentary they always are of the 90′s Knicks lol.

    20. Frank O.

      Beck is probably just bitter. He had to cover the Knicks through a prolonged period of darkness and he is now covering a team that has lost eight of the past 10…lol

      I think most writers about basketball are shit, personally. The basketball press corps is one of the least accountable in the business. More often than not, they are wrong about behind the scenes developments and there are only a few out there, some who write here, who do relevant analysis.
      Frankly, reading about the writers is about as interesting as those guys who used to be critical of Clyde because he appeared to be critical of the Knicks.
      I care about what happens on the court, and I have the luxury of sites like this, where you have some pretty bright people – some with agendas – providing some interesting observations that are based on some pretty astute observations from their eyes and from data.
      I do think this site has become a bit less data driven in recent years, or at least less ideologically staked out about the absolute benefits of some of these tools. I think that results from what is the general problem that many of these efforts to quantify performance are pretty inadequate.

    21. BigBlueAL

      I read the beat writers strictly for the news. I follow guys like Isola and Berman on Twitter to read stuff on injured players since they are at the shoot arounds and are usually the first people to report if guys are playing or not. I dont read them for their analysis and quite frankly dont care what they think about the team and how good they are.

      My thing with Beck is that again he seemed to go out of his way in the past couple of years to squelch any optimism around the team. Now he is not even the beat writer for the Knicks anymore yet writes an article today basically talking about how much the Knicks dont want Amar’e and how his return could hurt the team. Pretty unnecessary to me considering he doesnt even cover the team on a daily basis anymore plus he writes this at a time when the Knicks have the best record in the East with almost a third of the season done. Again just seems like he is trying to be critical of the team at a time when quite frankly this team deserves nothing but praise.

    22. d-mar

      @21 the most unaccountable writer in the history of sports had to be Peter Vecsey, who would just throw out countless unfounded rumors about trades and deals that never ended up happening.

      As much of an ass as Stephen A. Smith is, he can always hang his hat on getting LeBron to Miami first.

    23. BigBlueAL

      Is it true that LeBron has not been called for a foul in the past 5 games?? Are you freaking kidding me??

    24. Juany8

      BigBlueAL:
      Is it true that LeBron has not been called for a foul in the past 5 games??Are you freaking kidding me??

      Can you imagine if Melo got the kind of calls Lebron gets? He’d be second in the league in free throw attempts behind Dwight, who is hacked all the time anyways

    25. BigBlueAL

      Juany8: Can you imagine if Melo got the kind of calls Lebron gets? He’d be second in the league in free throw attempts behind Dwight, who is hacked all the time anyways

      Forget about getting calls to get to the free throw line, apparently LeBron has not been called for a foul of any kind in the past 5 games. Thats insane and absurd lol.

    26. daJudge

      I’m probably in the vast minority here, but I have problems with the NY Times almost daily. While I always read it, I personally do not relate to much of their (its?) politics and world views. I will not comment further in that regard. Usually, my problems with the Times do include sports, but I was frankly disgusted by the Beck article. You know, the Amare issue is old news, but raising it after he says that coming off the bench is cool, to me is just BS and clearly agenda driven. Beck basically said he was worth nothing to the Knicks and is an albatross. You know what, when the playoffs come around, stay off the band wagon Beck and I don’t care how long you have been a fan. I also don’t care if you hate Dolan or other rich people. The Nets are right around the corner and you can catch their bus near downtown Brooklyn. Just my opinion guys, but I was really disappointed with the entire tenor of the article.

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