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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Dec 14 2012)

  • [New York Post] Knicks get revenge on D’Antoni, but Anthony sprains ankle (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:05:14 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony was bent on wrecking Mike D’Antoni’s Garden return, even if he had to wreck his own ankle to do it.
    Anthony brutalized the pathetic Lakers’ defense for 30 points in just 22 minutes, 55 seconds of action. His brilliant night was cut short when he sustained…

  • [New York Post] Carmelo scare shows how fragile it all is (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:01:35 -0500)
    Listen: There are 19,033 people inside Madison Square Garden, and they rock the joint with the same fervor of the folks who were here a night earlier, roaring at The Who, shrieking at the Chris Martin/Michael Stipe duet, screeching at the quasi Nirvana reunion featuring Sir Paul.
    Only…

  • [New York Post] Boos, but no regrets for Mike (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:28:08 -0500)
    There were boos. Lots and lots of boos at the outset. And toward the end, there were chants of “Fire D’Antoni.â?
    Welcome back, Mike.
    “After the initial seeing everybody, and there’s a lot of guys on that team, when you coach somebody, you become close,â? Mike D’Antoni…

  • [New York Post] Bryant seeking stability to solve Lakers’ issues (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:28:08 -0500)
    Kobe Bryant was talking with his good friend Carmelo Anthony in the wake of the Linsanity fever that swept New York last season. Bryant had one question for Anthony.
    “What the hell are you doing?â? Bryant said.
    What Bryant said he saw was a guy who was simply not being…

  • [New York Post] Howard: We got D-stroyed (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:57:49 -0500)
    Kobe Bryant placed “stabilityâ? atop his Lakers wish list. Coach Mike D’Antoni wants his point guard, Steve Nash, back in good health. But center Dwight Howard trumped them both, asking for his teammates to watch his surgically repaired back on defense.After the Lakers put on an awful defensive…

  • [New York Post] Woody scared Knicks stars straight (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 01:55:08 -0500)
    Mike Woodson said he scared the devil out of the Knicks on the day he took over for Mike D’Antoni.That was his explanation for why the club has changed its losing ways under him.Woodson, D’Antoni’s defensive assistant, was promoted March 14 as interim coach when…

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Notebook: D'Antoni 'emotional' in return (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:28:58 EDT)
    On Thursday night, Mike D’Antoni returned to the Garden for the first time since resigning as coach of the Knicks in March.
    So how did he feel after the game, when he was greeting some of his former players and coaches?
    “There are a lot of guys on that team that you become close with when you coach somebody,” he said. “That was emotional, but then after that, it’s a ball game and we lost.”
    D’Antoni was also asked in which city he felt more pressure: New York or Los Angeles.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Woodson trumps D'Antoni in MSG return (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 01:33:56 EDT)
    They say you only get one chance to make a first impression, and Mike Woodson didn’t want to blow his opportunity.
    So he walked into the Knicks locker room on March 12, a few hours after Mike D’Antoni stepped down, and delivered a simple message in his first words as head coach.
    “He said he was going to hold guys accountable,” Tyson Chandler said. “He called myself up, Amare, Carmelo. He said if you guys want to be the leaders of this team, then you’ve got to lead.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Felton starts and finishes strong in win (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 01:16:07 EDT)
    Carmelo Anthony, the NBA’s best first-quarter scorer at around 10 points per game, wasn’t on his own island to start the game on Thursday night with his 22 points.
    He was joined by Raymond Felton, who finished the first period with 10 points. In between Anthony’s 3-pointers in transition and jump shots in isolations and off down screens, the Knicks’ starting point guard punished the Lakers through his usually potent two-man game with Tyson Chandler.

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks top Lakers, but Carmelo Anthony's ankle a concern (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 01:22:45 EST)
    Mike D'Antoni was back at the Garden and Carmelo Anthony was having his way with his former coach's defense, much to the crowd's delight. But then a loud thud led to serious concern.

  • [New York Newsday] Mike D'Antoni says he's not bitter about time as Knicks coach (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 01:13:56 EST)
    Mike D'Antoni hunched over in his folding chair on the visitors' bench at Madison Square Garden, his chin resting in his hand so that it obscured both his mouth and mustache.

  • [New York Times] Anthony Scores 30 as Knicks Beat Slumping Lakers (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:18:31 GMT)
    The pregame boos had barely finished, and Mike D’Antoni suddenly had much bigger problems.

  • [New York Times] For Lakers’ Howard, Many Free Throws and Many Misses (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:00:11 GMT)
    Deliberate off-the-ball fouling of players who are poor free-throw shooters remains a successful strategy in the N.B.A.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 116, Lakers 107: Carmelo Anthony Leaves With Injury, but Knicks Hold Off Lakers (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:34:03 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony scored a team-high 30 points in 22 minutes before leaving the game in the third quarter with an ankle injury in Mike D’Antoni’s return to Madison Square Garden.

  • [New York Times] Lillard Scores 29, Blazers Defeat Spurs 98-90 (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:44:43 GMT)
    Rookie guard Damian Lillard had a career-high 29 points and the Portland Trail Blazers handed the San Antonio Spurs their second straight loss with a 98-90 victory Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Bryant’s Frustration Grows as Lakers’ Free Fall Continues (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:37:41 GMT)
    With the Lakers’ fourth loss in a row and the ninth in 13 games since Mike D’Antoni became coach, Kobe Bryant’s exasperation has begun to show.

  • [New York Times] D’Antoni, Now Lakers Coach, Returns to Face Knicks (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:30:11 GMT)
    Mike D’Antoni enjoyed a brief reunion with his wife and his son before his Lakers faced the Knicks at Madison Square Garden, where the reception was more hostile.

  • [New York Times] Anthony Inspires Surging Knicks to Big Win Over Lakers (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:32:38 GMT)
    Adding more hope to their dream of a long-awaited return to the NBA winner’s circle, the New York Knicks enjoyed a role reversal night against the once-mighty Los Angeles Lakers at Madison Square Garden on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Anthony Scores 30, Knicks Beat Slumping Lakers (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:30:06 GMT)
    Sensing a fellow shooter had become gun shy, Kobe Bryant had a message for Carmelo Anthony last summer.

  • [New York Times] Harris, Smith Lead Hawks Past Bobcats 113-90 (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 03:21:12 GMT)
    Devin Harris scored 20 points, Josh Smith added 18 and the surging Atlanta Hawks beat Charlotte 113-90 on Thursday night to hand the Bobcats their 10th straight defeat.

  • [New York Times] Knicks’ Success Began With Woodson Challenging His Stars (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 03:08:50 GMT)
    After Mike Woodson became the coach of Knicks last spring, he had a candid conversation with Carmelo Anthony, Amar’e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler about what he expected of them.

  • [New York Daily News] Kobe: Melo got Linsane-ly bad rep last season (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:07:21 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant doesn’t appreciate how critics were calling Carmelo Anthony the Knicks’ problem during Linsanity last season, and now they are treating him like a savior. “I think last year was very tough for him because he was criticized a lot for shooting and for playing the way he likes to play,â? Bryant said after scoring a game-high 31 points.

  • [New York Daily News] Lakers’ D’Antoni gets booed, routed in NY return (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:55:04 GMT)
    Mike D’Antoni heard thunderous boos when reintroduced to the Garden crowd Thursday, and the night quickly deteriorated from there for him and his bumbling Lakers.

  • [New York Daily News] ROCK THE MIKE: Melo torches D’Antoni’s Lakers, leaves hurt (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:45:30 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony was poised to break something on Thursday; maybe a Madison Square Garden scoring record or perhaps Mike D’Antoni’s spirit. As it turns out, Melo nearly broke himself. Anthony sprained his left ankle in the third quarter of the Knicks convincing 116-107 victory over the Lakers.

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson: I kept D’Antoni’s scheme (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:43:04 GMT)
    Mike Woodson revealed Thursday how he managed to motivate the Knicks following Mike D’Antoni’s resignation last March. He “scared them into playing.â?

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: For Kobe & Lakers, tough to defend struggles (Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:36:37 GMT)
    For Mike D’Antoni, Carmelo Anthony’s injury came too late. But that was par for the course, since it all turned out badly for the old Knick coach in his first trip back to the Garden.

  • 24 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Dec 14 2012)

    1. billo

      Mike Woodson is now 36-15 as Knicks coach, but the most puzzling fact remains the team itself: how good are these Knicks? Is it Woodson’s coaching?

      Like everyone else, I’m enjoying this magical (when compared to the pre-season expectations) run. But then, the rational part of me takes over: I doesn’t seem logical to believe that the Knicks – or any team, for that matter – can sustain this shooting exhibition over a full season.

      But the most puzzling part of this ‘mystery’: as good as this team looks, the current 17-5 record is just about the same (18-6) that Woodson had with the previous team!!!!!

      Is it the team? If it’s the team, how come last year’s unit with very different players, had a similar run?

      Is it Woodson? Is it that the team is playing on adrenaline and will sooner or later crash? (but playing hard does not make anyone into a great 3-point shooter!)

      I suspect we owe a great deal of our current success to Mike Dantoni – yes, you heard it here. Mike Woodson has modified Dantoni’s offensive ideas to incorporate defense and this team – due in large part to the attention Melo commands – is running one of the most potent offensive schemes we have seen in the NBA. Is it sustainable? I hope so, but I’m not sure…

    2. thenamestsam

      Man, that Lakers team is a straight-up mess defensively. Dwight Howard (when fully healthy, which he doesn’t look like fully he is) is the best pick and roll defender in the game, but nobody can stop a PnR game as effective as the Knicks by themselves. About 5 minutes into the game the Knicks ran a simple pick and roll from up high, Howard cut off the PG but nobody tagged Chandler and he got a running start at the rim and Howard was forced to foul him. Howard was pointing at his teammates and at Chandler like “Anybody going to do anything about this?”, Dantoni was making his signature incredulous face, all the other Lakers players were looking at each other, and it was totally obvious that it was going to be a long night defensively for them.

      They just don’t look like a team that has been coached at all defensively. There’s no evidence that they have any sense of how they want to defend the pick and roll, who has what responsibilities, which guys are supposed to rotate and help. There’s no scheme evident in anything that they do. Pair that with the fact that they’re not really running anything that resembles a typical Dantoni offense (understandable with the set of PGs they’re currently working with), and it’s not really clear what Dantoni is bringing to that team. He deserves to be fired more than Mike Brown did if you ask me.

    3. StatsTeacher

      Somebody said last thread Howard looks like a shell of himself. I agree 100%, he is not a game changing force right now on defense, or his team mates are so inept that the reult is the same.

      Felton has run the team well, but as Kerr pointed out when Melo went out the offense gets a bit lost. I thought Kerr was spot on just about the whole time last night. Barkley gulps the hater-ade by the liter, but his points are not without merit.

    4. flossy

      It’s amazing how top-heavy that Laker team is, and how badly they suck when two of their top four players are out. There where long stretches where their line-up consisted of Kobe Bryant and four guys who should maybe not even be in the NBA (and yes I count Chris Duhon in that category).

      Duhon, Jordan Hill, the corpse of Antawn Jamison, Jodie Meeks, Devin Ebanks, Robert Sacre, Earl Clark…? I get that D’Antoni has many detractors but there’s no coach on earth who could polish those turds. 2 major talents (one semi-injured) plus Metta World Peace is not enough.

    5. d-mar

      StatsTeacher:
      Somebody said last thread Howard looks like a shell of himself.I agree 100%, he is not a game changing force right now on defense, or his team mates are so inept that the reult is the same.

      Felton has run the team well, but as Kerr pointed out when Melo went out the offense gets a bit lost.I thought Kerr was spot on just about the whole time last night.Barkley gulps the hater-ade by the liter, but his points are not without merit.

      Yeah, that was me re: Howard. 1 blocked shot in 38 minutes is about all you need to know

    6. ephus

      Today’s Zach Lowe article encapsulates all of the received wisdom about the Knicks in one place.

      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/45230/downtown-downpour-the-new-york-knicks-are-raining-threes

      His points are:

      1. The Knicks are shooting 3s at a record pace.

      2. The 3s are effective because they are coming in the flow of the offense.

      3. The offense is effective because Carmelo is playing so well as a PF.

      4. Tyson Chandler has become a very effective offensive weapon, even though his only move is to dive on the PnR.

      5. When STAT returns, he should come off of the bench because he, Melo and Chandler do not play well together on the offensive end.

      6. STAT could be a huge bonus off the bench, because he will create space for the Knicks’ bench perimeter shooters and Rasheed Wallace does not need to be in the low post to be effective.

      7. The only warning signs for the Knicks right now are on the defensive end, where they are now in the middle of the pack.

      This is a great time to be a Knick fan. Get well Carmelo!

    7. Frank

      Not sure whether Howard is injured or whether he’s just tentative. Everything looks a step slow out there for him. I’m starting to think that maybe he’s not 100% but that he just has no idea where to be on defense, and that even when he’s in the right place, no one backs him up on rotation.

      Mike Brown is supposedly a good defensive coach, but he was barely there at all with DH12. Bickerstaff was just holding the torch until MDA showed up. And now he has MDA, who we all know does not really pay close attention to details on defense.

      (I will say that all the switching definitely threw our offense off after Melo went out, though).

      I think this offseason, Tyson really needs to get with Hakeem and learn some post moves. He had Duhon/Meeks on him a few times last night and we never even looked at him in the post.

    8. massive

      I don’t agree that Carmelo Anthony is playing power forward this year. I think this team does not actually have a power forward because we essentially play 1 down 4 out basketball. The Knicks currently operate with 4 perimeter players and 1 center. On defense, Carmelo Anthony has been guarding power forwards, so maybe that’s his defensive position (and we would all agree that he’s better off guarding 3s and not 4s). Melo plays the 4 spot, but it is in no way your traditional power forward role.

    9. nicos

      massive:

      On defense, Carmelo Anthony has been guarding power forwards, so maybe that’s his defensive position (and we would all agree that he’s better off guarding 3s and not 4s). Melo plays the 4 spot, but it is in no way your traditional power forward role.

      I’m interested to see how Melo defends at the three when Amar’e comes back- Amar’e may not start but you have to figure the Chandler/Amar’e/Melo trio sees at least some minutes together. While I think most people would say Melo’s better off playing the 4 defensively, Melo’s actually been very good when he’s been switched out on perimeter players this year- he’s much less handsy and moving his feet better than I’ve seen in the past. He’s a solid man defender at the four but is fairly weak as a rotating help defender in the paint. Of course swapping Amar’e for Brewer isn’t really going to help defensively even if Melo plays great defense at the three.

    10. massive

      I’m not sure if this has been discussed here, but the Grizzlies made John Hollinger their VP of Basketball Operations. I hope for their sake he doesn’t rely on PER to make all of his decisions.

    11. thenamestsam

      massive:
      I’m not sure if this has been discussed here, but the Grizzlies made John Hollinger their VP of Basketball Operations. I hope for their sake he doesn’t rely on PER to make all of his decisions.

      He really hasn’t been PER reliant in years.

      I think in a way he encapsulates the attitude of the stat-friendly sector of the basketball internet. About 5 years ago when nobody was paying any attention to advanced stats at all the people trying to get them into the light of day often made them seem more definitive than they were, largely out of necessity. Hollinger was bringing up PER in response to every question because if he didn’t there wasn’t any voice at all for anything resembling advanced statistics.

      As time has passed and the statistics have gained more acceptance he has been able to use a more balanced approach, and this is definitely the way that the majority of the community has gone as well. If someone wanted stat-friendly basketball analysis I’d recommend someone who uses a mixed approach like Zach Lowe, not a dogmatist like Berri. Go read any of Hollinger’s team previews for this year and you’ll see an incredibly nuanced take that balances the use of PER with other advanced stats and a lot of scouting work. I think he’s one of the very smartest basketball writers out there.

    12. BigBlueAL

      Yeah, what I like about guys like Lowe and Hollinger is they combine their knowledge of advanced stats with some pretty good scouting stuff. Lowe especially since he uses actual game footage to analyze stuff. Hollinger the last few years has always gone to games and written game stories so its not like he just stays at home in his office looking at stats. He also talks about player roles and how their changing roles affect their stats and their team’s stats as well which I guess goes against what the Berri disciples believe.

    13. Z-man

      As a middle school principal and a father of 3 school-age children, the news of today’s tragedy hit me very hard. May all the families in this community somehow find the strength to get through this unspeakably horrific event. Life just doesn’t make any sense sometimes.

    14. ruruland

      Z-man:
      As a middle school principal and a father of 3 school-age children, the news of today’s tragedy hit me very hard. May all the families in this community somehow find the strength to get through this unspeakably horrific event. Life just doesn’t make any sense sometimes.

      Thanks for posting that. Hard to stop thinking about it.

    15. ruruland

      Ephus,

      One thing I will go into in my Amar’e post is that we’ve only seen Amar’e, Chandler and Melo all play together with a penetrating pnr point guard for a handful of games — Lin.

      Of course Chandler, Melo and Amar’e aren’t going to be any good when you don’t have dribble penetration or an effective screen and roll guard.

      I’ve gotten close to calculating the scoring efficiency for Amar’e and Chandler, when they are on the floor at the same time, with each of the of the five point guards last year, only one of whom was a pick and roll guard.

      The numbers make a pretty straightforward case for really strong interaction effects with the guards, which is pretty obvious when you think about it. It’s never really mattered to Amar’e who was playing center. Yes, his offensive numbers are best when plays the n five, but he’s thrived with guys like Jaron Collins, Robin Lopez, Grant Hill, Lou Admunson, Shaq, Mosgov, etc al ….He’s done well when the spacing wasn’t perfect.

      Also, people tend to forget a few things. One, Amar’e has played extensively as the non-high screen and roll big-man with the Suns, and at times with the Knicks prior to his struggles last year.

      He was very effective catching the ball on the weakside of the roll and either shooting a wide open jump shot, or attacking the single defender — that’s where he’s great.

      Two, that currently, teams are helping off of Brewer all the time. He
      is making that corner jumper, but he’s nowhere near as good as Amar’e when he catches the ball wide-open in the 12-15 foot range.

      I’m sure the Knicks pnr defense will change some when Amar’e returns because he struggles against quick guards.

      But, inserting Amar’e for Brewer with the starters will improve the offense and defensive rebounding. Currently, Brewer is doing a poor job of going for rebounds as Melo and Chandler work to block the bigs out. With the way Brewer is playing currently, it’s close to a wash.

    16. ruruland

      Amar’e, Chandler, and Melo will have to share the floor 15-20 minutes a game regardless of how you slice it.

      I can’t imagine many better back-courts to surround them than Kidd/Felton.

    17. Juany8

      ruruland:
      Amar’e, Chandler,and Melo will have to share the floor 15-20 minutes a game regardless of how you slice it.

      I can’t imagine many better back-courts to surround them than Kidd/Felton.

      Do they though? Didn’t the Lakers win back to back championships with 3 of their best players never actually playing together at once? There’s a chance they can make it work, but at the end of games the argument isn’t Amar’e and Brewer, it’s Amar’e and JR. At the very least, I don’t think Amar’e makes the Knicks’ best lineups better, he just makes some of the weaker ones vastly more effective. He can even start instead of Brewer, I agree that the spacing there isn’t a much bigger issue.

      To the me bigger problem is what happens against Miami’s small lineup. Is anyone comfortable with having Amar’e guard Battier after what happened to Ibaka last year?

    18. Brian Cronin

      Wow, congrats to Hollinger. Great move by Memphis. And holy shit, talk about an out of the box move! Not new for the Grizzlies, though, as they signed Gilbert Arenas last year because of a blog post suggesting why it would be a good move to do so, so they’re definitely willing to do risky moves using way out of the box thinking.

    19. Brian Cronin

      As a middle school principal and a father of 3 school-age children, the news of today’s tragedy hit me very hard. May all the families in this community somehow find the strength to get through this unspeakably horrific event. Life just doesn’t make any sense sometimes.

      Very well put.

    20. ephus

      Ruru,

      I have not done the work that you have to determine whether there is a way for Chandler/STAT/Melo to work on the floor together. It is pretty clear that it did not work well last season.

      At this point, I think Woodson has earned our trust that he can make things work. He is making great adjustments to put the Knicks in a position to win. If Woodson wants to start all three, I think he has a plan to make them effective and he will get his players to buy into it. A huge part of coaching at this level is getting full effort from players who believe that they know as much about basketball as anyone on the staff.

      For the past week, I have posting that it is a great time to be a Knick fan. But all of this is frivolous, and my heart aches for those up in Conn. My daughter is my life’s greatest joy; she got extra hugs last night.

      Peace.

    21. johnno

      ephus: At this point, I think Woodson has earned our trust that he can make things work.

      Best comment yet on the entire subject…

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