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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Apr 27 2012)

  • [New York Times] Knicks 104, Bobcats 84: Knicks Hand Bobcats 23rd Loss in a Row (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:41:12 GMT)
    The Knicks are heading to Miami for a first-round playoff series with the Heat after wrapping up the seventh seed in the Eastern Conference with a rout of the Bobcats.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Playoff Teams Finish Season Cautiously (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:41:13 GMT)
    With the regular season coming to an end on Thursday, many of the top teams rested their regulars for the N.B.A. playoffs, which begin Saturday.

  • [New York Times] Bobcats, Lousy but Not Lovable, Perfect Losing (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:50:06 GMT)
    With Michael Jordan as the face of the franchise, Charlotte has the poorest record in the N.B.A. and entered its final game threatening the record for worst winning percentage.

  • [New York Times] Spurred by 2011 Loss, Heat Set for 2nd Title Shot (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:48:37 GMT)
    Chris Bosh recently peered down the hallway that links the Miami Heat locker room and the team’s home court.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Grab Top Seed as Playoff Matchups Set (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:30:42 GMT)
    The Chicago Bulls closed out the regular season with a 107-75 demolition of the Cleveland Cavaliers to claim the number one overall seed on Thursday for the National Basketball Association playoffs.

  • [New York Times] Short-Handed Spurs Beat Warriors 107-101 (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:24:41 GMT)
    Patty Mills had career highs of 34 points and 12 assists, DeJuan Blair added 22 points and 13 rebounds, and the short-handed San Antonio Spurs beat the Golden State Warriors 107-101 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Kings Beat Resting Lakers 113-96 in Season Finale (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:00:58 GMT)
    DeMarcus Cousins had 23 points and 19 rebounds, Tyreke Evans scored 17 points and the Sacramento Kings beat the Los Angeles Lakers’ backups 113-96 Thursday night in the regular-season finale for both teams.

  • [New York Times] Bobcats Fall to Knicks, Set NBA Mark for Futility (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:12:39 GMT)
    The worst season in NBA history is over for the Charlotte Bobcats.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Beat Magic to Claim West’s No. 4 Seed (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:48:54 GMT)
    Marc Gasol scored 22 points, Rudy Gay added 20 and the Memphis Grizzlies claimed the No. 4 seed in the Western Conference playoffs with an 88-76 win over the short-handed Orlando Magic on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Rookie Burks, Dunk Champ Evans Lift Jazz 96-94 (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:54:47 GMT)
    Rookie Alec Burks scored 18 points and NBA Slam Dunk champ Jeremy Evans led a 10-0 fourth-quarter run as the playoff-bound Utah Jazz beat the Portland Trail Blazers 96-94 Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Rockets End Season With 84-77 Win Over Hornets (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:45:45 GMT)
    Chase Budinger scored a season-high 27 points and Marcus Morris hit the go-ahead 3-pointer to lift the Houston Rockets to an 84-77 victory over the New Orleans Hornets on Thursday night in the season finale for both teams.

  • [New York Times] Gordon Leads Pistons Past 76ers in Finale (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:33:45 GMT)
    Ben Gordon scored 26 points, including eight 3-pointers, to help the Detroit Pistons rout the short-handed Philadelphia 76ers 108-86 Thursday night in the season finale.

  • [New York Times] Big 3 Watches as Heat Lose to Wizards 104-70 (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:36:44 GMT)
    Playing without their Big Three, the Miami Heat suffered their worst defeat of 2011-2012 with a 104-70 loss to the Washington Wizards in the regular-season finale Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Clinch Home Court, Beat Mavs 106-89 (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:42:55 GMT)
    Josh Smith scored 23 points and the Atlanta Hawks clinched home-court advantage in the first round of the playoffs, racing to a 23-point lead in the opening quarter on the way to a 106-89 victory over the Dallas Mavericks in the regular-season finale Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Rout Cavs to Finish, Earn Overall No. 1 Seed (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:03:43 GMT)
    John Lucas III scored a career-high 25 points, Joakim Noah had 13 points and 13 rebounds, and the Chicago Bulls clinched the top overall seed in the NBA playoffs with a 107-75 victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Stoudemire as Sixth Man? (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:56:39 GMT)
    It works with Ray Allen in Boston. Would Amar’e Stoudemire of the Knicks be more effective coming off the bench in the playoffs?

  • [New York Times] Bulls, Heat, Thunder Open NBA Playoffs Saturday (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:00:50 GMT)
    The Chicago Bulls will open the postseason Saturday against Philadelphia, just before Miami and New York renew their playoff rivalry.

  • [New York Times] Pierce Scores 12 as Celtics Top Bucks 87-74 (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:33:44 GMT)
    Paul Pierce scored all 12 of his points in the first half despite missing most of it with a sprained toe and Rajon Rondo had 15 assists as the Boston Celtics closed the regular season with an 87-74 win over the Milwaukee Bucks on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Beat Wolves to Lock Down 6th Seed in West (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:21:50 GMT)
    JaVale McGee scored 19 points to help the Denver Nuggets lock down the sixth seed in the Western Conference playoffs with a 131-102 victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Uzoh Has Triple-Double as Raptors Rout Nets (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:33:48 GMT)
    Ben Uzoh had 12 points, a career-high 12 assists and 11 rebounds for his first career triple-double, and the Toronto Raptors routed New Jersey 98-67 in Thursday night’s season finale, a loss that slightly improves the Nets’ chances in the NBA draft lottery.

  • [New York Post] Matchup with Miami (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:05:04 -0500)
    The seventh-seeded Knicks and second-seeded Heat are set for their Eastern Conference playoff showdown. Miami swept the season series, 3-0, though the Knicks didn’t play any of the games with Carmelo Anthony, Amar’e Stoudemire and interim coach Mike Woodson all together. Here’s a look back:
    Jan. 27…

  • [New York Post] Knicks off to Miami for 1st-round showdown (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:29:30 -0500)
    CHARLOTTE, N.C. â?? Look out Miami, here come the Knicks.
    Oh yeah, the Heat is on!
    The Miami Dream Team officially became their first-round opponent Thursday night, and the Knicks will begin this star-studded battle royale Saturday afternoon at what promises to be a deafening American Airlines Arena.
    It is…

  • [New York Post] LeBron eager for playoff success (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:29:30 -0500)
    CHARLOTTE â?? LeBron James, in a cover story in Sports Illustrated this week, admits he wasn’t himself in his first year in Miami and vows to purge the demons during these playoffs that start with the Knicks tomorrow at American Airlines Arena.
    “I lost touch with who I was as…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Davis sees similarities to Golden ’07 squad (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:29:30 -0500)
    CHARLOTTE, N.C. â?? Knicks starting point guard Baron Davis was part of one of the great first-round upsets in NBA history when the No. 8 Warriors shocked No. 1 Dallas in 2007. That’s when Davis was in his prime and he had a spectacular series, carrying the Warriors on…

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] How the Knicks can beat the Heat (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:39:43 EDT)
    You won’t find many observers who give the Knicks a shot to take out LeBron James and the Heat in the first round.
    And for good reason.
    Miami dominated New York in the regular season, winning all three matchups by an average of 10 points. So the Knicks need to play near-flawless basketball to compete against the Heat in the playoffs.
    Here’s a veteran scout’s take on five things New York needs to do to beat Miami:
    FEED OFF OF MELO

    Carmelo Anthony carried the Knicks late in the second half of the season.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Knicks' key versus Heat: Slow them down (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:42:24 EDT)
    Dwyane Wade and LeBron James. Fast and faster. The most dangerous fast-break attack in basketball.
    That’s one of the main things on the minds of the Knicks heading into their first-round series against the Heat, starting Saturday in Miami (3:30 p.m. ET on ABC).

    AP Photo/Chuck Burton
    Amare Stoudemire looked good against the Bobcats on Thursday, and feels good about how the Knicks match up against the Heat.
    “Miami’s a team that plays great getting turnovers, and they get out and run well,” said Amare Stoudemire after the Knicks beat the Bobcats on Thursday night 104-84 in both teams’ regular-season finale.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks take talents to South Beach after 104-84 rout (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:42:14 GMT)
    The Knicks – and where have we heard this before? – are headed to Miami to open the NBA Playoffs against LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and the Heat.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ Baron plants seeds of upset (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:27:35 GMT)
    Baron Davis once led the Golden State Warriors to one of the biggest playoff upsets in NBA history, and the veteran point guard believes this Knicks team has the same qualities to shock either Miami or Chicago this year.

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks will face Heat in first round (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:33:05 EDT)
    The Knicks' injury-riddled, turmoil-filled, lockout-condensed regular season, which featured a coaching change and Jeremy Lin becoming an international phenomenon, ended Thursday night.

  • [New York Newsday] Woodson still trying to get Chandler, Melo, Amar'e together (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:21:42 EDT)
    Mike Woodson has said he's got to make it work between Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire, and you can add Tyson Chandler to the list.

  • 68 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Apr 27 2012)

    1. Gideon Zaga

      I hope Woodson has installed the Zone and we really have to utilize Amare as our first option.

    2. danvt

      The thing I don’t get about the Bobcats situation is everyone’s claim that they “just don’t have the talent” to stay close to teams. I mean, we rested three starters and emptied the bench and they still lost by 20. Something’s rotten.

    3. JC Knickfan

      Team made the step forward right direction. 6 game above 500, versus 2 last year. We got sweep in playoff so I’m expecting much better showing. I like to see 2 wins as its unrealistic to expect a upset, but we can still hope.

      18-6 = 3/1 Win/lose ratio. That’s on pace for 60 win season. Woodson definite deserve at least 1 year deal with 2nd year team options. Players (Melo) have responded to him so far. Also I like the version Lin better under Woodson where the team went 6-1. More control, less shot, better defensively and help on team rebounding.

    4. Mulligan

      danvt:
      The thing I don’t get about the Bobcats situation is everyone’s claim that they “just don’t have the talent” to stay close to teams.I mean, we rested three starters and emptied the bench and they still lost by 20.Something’s rotten.

      Somewhat inversely, Miami lost by 30 against Washington while resting the big 3, while we won by 20 while resting most of our big players and giving limited minutes to Shump and Stat. Been stated before, but our bench needs to be huge for us if we’re going to beat these guys.

    5. Kikuchiyo

      I’m excited. The hints and whispers of quality that we’ve seen all year have become consistently visible in the Woodson era. There are now sure signs that this a real, good basketball team. The best Knicks team since the Finals run in 1999.

      Here’s to the curse of PJ Brown which states that the Knicks ALWAYS beat the Heat in playoff series since THAT DESPICABLE DAY and the loss in ’97.

    6. TelegraphedPass

      danvt: The thing I don’t get about the Bobcats situation is everyone’s claim that they “just don’t have the talent” to stay close to teams. I mean, we rested three starters and emptied the bench and they still lost by 20. Something’s rotten.

      I don’t think you understand quite how bad the Bobcats are. Our least talented lineup was Mike Bibby, JR Smith, Landry Fields, Jorts, and Jerome Jordan.

      Their STARTING LINEUP is DJ Augustin (and his red-hot .37 FG%), Gerald Henderson, (who’s decent), Derrick Brown (who couldn’t get burn for us last year), Bismack Biyombo (who isn’t consistent enough yet to be a rotation player), and Byron Mullins (who is barely an NBA player).

      That is so ungodly terrible. They have a grand total of one player who could start for another NBA team.

    7. Garson

      TelegraphedPass: I don’t think you understand quite how bad the Bobcats are. Our least talented lineup was Mike Bibby, JR Smith, Landry Fields, Jorts, and Jerome Jordan.

      Their STARTING LINEUP is DJ Augustin (and his red-hot .37 FG%), Gerald Henderson, (who’s decent), Derrick Brown (who couldn’t get burn for us last year), Bismack Biyombo (who isn’t consistent enough yet to be a rotation player), and Byron Mullins (who is barely an NBA player).

      That is so ungodly terrible. They have a grand total of one player who could start for another NBA team.

      Good point… my question is … How the hell did we lose to them back in January!!!

    8. Z

      THCJ strikes again! (he won the preseason “guess the Knicks record” game.) Is that guy ever wrong?!??!?!?!!?????! (damnit!)

    9. TelegraphedPass

      Garson: Good point… my question is … How the hell did we lose to them back in January!!!

      Amar’e let Boris Diaw drop 27 points and 6 assists, going 3 for 3 on threes and posting a nice .900 TS%.

    10. massive

      I think this is going to be a great series because both teams will absolutely hate losing to each other. I always feel confident about Melo vs LeBron as Melo is more clutch and LeBron cannot guard the man. As long we can force them into shooting jumpers, we’ll have a chance.

      I think we have a better inside outside game (than the Heat), as Novak, Bibby, and JR will destroy you from deep and Melo, Stat and Chandler can chew a team’s inside game apart. Considering that the Heat allow a lot of 3s to go up a game (probably due to the long rebounds they create, making transition buckets easier), we could get them to pick their poison as long as Baron Davis isn’t turning over the ball.

      Dwyane Wade should have his hands full on both ends with Shump checking him and JR being able to make him really work on defense. Luckily for us, the Heat’s PG play is piss poor and Melo is a plus defender at this point. I’m honestly worried about having Bosh on Chandler; that’s the reason we lost to the Heat the last time we played them. If Tyson isn’t leading both sides in rebounds, then that creates more possessions for the Heat, and Tyson’s offensive rebounding helps prevent the Heat from getting into transition.

    11. massive

      Z:
      THCJ strikes again! (he won the preseason “guess the Knicks record” game.) Is that guy ever wrong?!??!?!?!!?????! (damnit!)

      He was right, but I think that’s more coincidence than anything else. This team was dynamic this year, and I doubt he factored Novak, Smith, and Lin into his numbers. You have to give the man credit though, his number held strong even through the tumult that characterized this season.

    12. TelegraphedPass

      I think you have to let Amar’e guard Bosh. Bosh hasn’t been playing well recently. He is coming off of some mysterious injury. STAT’s been half-decent this season guarding Bosh’s strengths (isos and spot ups).

      Considering Bosh isn’t the primary offensive option and Chandler NEEDS to patrol the paint and get boards you’ve got to dare Bosh to try and take over. The more shots Bosh is taking, the fewer shots Wade and Bron are taking and that could be a plus.

    13. ephus

      TelegraphedPass: Considering Bosh isn’t the primary offensive option and Chandler NEEDS to patrol the paint and get boards you’ve got to dare Bosh to try and take over. The more shots Bosh is taking, the fewer shots Wade and Bron are taking and that could be a plus.

      +1. When TC covers Bosh, he is not in a position to grab defensive rebounds or protect the rim. The pre-conditions for the Knicks to win this series are: (1) force Miami into a half-court offense, (2) limit Miami’s second chance opportunities and (3) Knicks execute their own half-court offense so that Miami cannot run off of steals & rebounds. Of course, the Knicks then need Shumpert and ‘Melo to play effective defense on Wade and LBJ.

    14. gjknick

      Totally agree with TelegraphedPass. We need TC to be guarding the rim so that Melo and Shump can get up on Wade and Lebron. If Bosh destroys Amare, so be it. This is a chance for Amare to step up defensively. He looked like he was moving fluidly on offense yesterday.

    15. massive

      I think Wade is gonna have a bad series. It took Iman Shumpert 3 1/2 quarters to put an end to Derrick Rose’s reign of terror in our OT win. Imagine what Shumpert can do in consecutive games?

    16. gjknick

      ephus: +1. When TC covers Bosh, he is not in a position to grab defensive rebounds or protect the rim. The pre-conditions for the Knicks to win this series are: (1) force Miami into a half-court offense, (2) limit Miami’s second chance opportunities and (3) Knicks execute their own half-court offense so that Miami cannot run off of steals & rebounds. Of course, the Knicks then need Shumpert and ‘Melo to play effective defense on Wade and LBJ.

      Exactly. TC can’t be guarding Bosh. I trust Shump will be all over Wade – won’t shut him down but will make him work. I actually trust Melo to do the same for Lebron. I don’t have that trust with Amare on Bosh. So to me, that is the key – can Amare keep Bosh from having a big game? If so, that allows everyone else to play their role.

    17. d-mar

      massive:
      I think Wade is gonna have a bad series. It took Iman Shumpert 3 1/2 quarters to put an end to Derrick Rose’s reign of terror in our OT win. Imagine what Shumpert can do in consecutive games?

      I’d like to believe that, but Wade is the master of drawing cheap fouls. Expect Shump to struggle with foul issues the whole series.

    18. thenamestsam

      massive:
      I think Wade is gonna have a bad series. It took Iman Shumpert 3 1/2 quarters to put an end to Derrick Rose’s reign of terror in our OT win. Imagine what Shumpert can do in consecutive games?

      I like the confidence but I’m very concerned about this matchup. Regular season and playoffs are very different animals. Shump has been amazing on D this year but he has not been flawless. For one, he hasn’t brought the 100% intensity every night. I’m worried about whether he is ready for guarding Wade for 35-40 minutes a night for 7 straight games. That is a monumental task.

      Secondly, the guy is extremely physical on D. It’s one of his best qualities, but it is going to be a risk in this series. Wade is as wily as anyone in the league, and Miami is certainly going to get their whistles, especially at home. In the game you mentioned Shump was fantastic, but he was also very fortunate that he got a good whistle against Rose. With a different crew he might have had 10 fouls in that game. He has to be smart and avoid foul trouble because our guard depth is obviously a weakness.

    19. massive

      Well, of course when you’re talking about an All-World shooting guard, foul trouble is to be expected. But something about Shump’s mentality makes me think that he’s going to play some truly stifling defense series. It also helps that Shumpert is Wade’s athletic superior.

    20. TelegraphedPass

      It REALLY helps that there is virtually no chance that JR Smith will foul Wade on a 3. Wade doesn’t take 3s, really.

      Not gonna lie, that’s a legit concern of mine.

    21. ephus

      Shumpert’s biggest defensive flaw during the second half of this year has been his tendency to get stuck on picks in the PnR. In the last few games, he has shown some improvement. I think we might see a steady diet of Wade/LBJ or Wade/Bosh PnR. If TC is playing the defensive 5, then he can (and should) cheat over to help. Yet another reason to have Amar’e guard Bosh.

    22. yellowboy90

      The good thing about the Knicks roster is that they have 2 guys that can make Wade work the bad thing is that I think they only have one player that can make Lebron and Bosh work and that’s Carmelo. I love TC but it messes up the D when he guards Bosh. They need him getting rebounds on both ends. Also he struggles on the perimeter a little. So Amar’e will have to step up and keep it even and Landry will have to up his D and give Melo a break on Bron where he can guard Bosh once Amar’e rests.

    23. yellowboy90

      TelegraphedPass:
      It REALLY helps that there is virtually no chance that JR Smith will foul Wade on a 3. Wade doesn’t take 3s, really.

      Not gonna lie, that’s a legit concern of mine.

      He still will have moments where he guards Mike Miller. So…

    24. TelegraphedPass

      Yeah the pick and roll will maul the Knicks if Miami goes to it. The Knicks don’t have anyone particularly skilled at guarding it. For all Tyson’s great defensive ability, he doesn’t have the Duncan/Garnett ability to read and react to the handler and roll man during the same play. If Tyson hedges too hard and gets stuck on the handler (Wade or LeBron), then Wade/LBJ get to either use their passing ability to hit the roll man around Tyson or they get Tyson out in an island. And Tyson has no hope containing either of them off the dribble. If the roll man gets the ball with Tyson stuck out on the handler, we have Amar’e left to protect the rim. About that…

      Isolation is almost impossible to execute against the Knicks. Shump’s hands and Melo’s bulk don’t allow for easy looks. Hopefully the defensive intensity can dare Miami into trying to iso against this team.

    25. TelegraphedPass

      yellowboy90: He still will have moments where he guards Mike Miller. So…

      The Mike Miller Knick-Killer narrative is busy writing itself now and is getting ready for it’s appearance soon.

    26. johnlocke

      vvvv — what he said. Key to the series is stopping Bosh and limiting Wade to star, as opposed to super-star status.
      I’m less worried about Lebron…he will get his. (hopefully that is around 28 per game max with inefficient shooting). We need to keep Wade at an average of 22 pts or less for the series and we need to keep Bosh at 18 or less. That would put some pressure on their bench.

      TelegraphedPass:
      I think you have to let Amar’e guard Bosh. Bosh hasn’t been playing well recently. He is coming off of some mysterious injury. STAT’s been half-decent this season guarding Bosh’s strengths (isos and spot ups).

      Considering Bosh isn’t the primary offensive option and Chandler NEEDS to patrol the paint and get boards you’ve got to dare Bosh to try and take over. The more shots Bosh is taking, the fewer shots Wade and Bron are taking and that could be a plus.

    27. JR Sec 112

      TelegraphedPass:
      Yeah the pick and roll will maul the Knicks if Miami goes to it. The Knicks don’t have anyone particularly skilled at guarding it. For all Tyson’s great defensive ability, he doesn’t have the Duncan/Garnett ability to read and react to the handler and roll man during the same play. If Tyson hedges too hard and gets stuck on the handler (Wade or LeBron), then Wade/LBJ get to either use their passing ability to hit the roll man around Tyson or they get Tyson out in an island. And Tyson has no hope containing either of them off the dribble. If the roll man gets the ball with Tyson stuck out on the handler, we have Amar’e left to protect the rim. About that…

      Isolation is almost impossible to execute against the Knicks. Shump’s hands and Melo’s bulk don’t allow for easy looks. Hopefully the defensive intensity can dare Miami into trying to iso against this team.

      All good points. I think the key is NOT switching on PnR and giving Wade/James open looks from 15ft+. Series may actually be decided by whether Shump can stay in front of Wade or not, while not overplaying and leading to back cuts. On the other hand, Wade’s finger may affect his ability off the dribble.

    28. ephus

      If the Heat start with a steady diet of PnR, then the Knicks have to think about trapping hard sometimes, rather than just hedging or switching. When Linsanity reigned, the hard double led to a number of turnovers and transition baskets. The key is to rotate well-enough on the dive, so that the ball handler does not have an easy pass out of the double team.

    29. Brian Cronin

      Novak finished the season tied for 3rd in threes made.

      He also finished the season tied for 17th in threes attempted.

      That right there is pretty much why he is almost certainly a goner after this season.

    30. gjknick

      Brian, stop waking me from the wonderful dream that Novak comes back for the bi exemption, JR opts in rather than out, Jeffries takes the vet min with his 20% raise, Harrelson and Jerome are extra depth, and Fields and Shump spend the summer at Allen Houston’s home where they shoot from dawn to dusk.

    31. d-mar

      Wade, Lebron and Bosh could get 75 points between them in any given game, and the Knicks could still win. The key will be not allowing guys like Chalmers, Miller and Jones too many open 3′s. If that happens, the Knicks have zero chance.

    32. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      massive: He was right, but I think that’s more coincidence than anything else. This team was dynamic this year, and I doubt he factored Novak, Smith, and Lin into his numbers. You have to give the man credit though, his number held strong even through the tumult that characterized this season.

      Yeah, it was coincidence. I didn’t, you know, predict based on stats, or anything.

    33. Mulligan

      I must have missed that post where you found the ability to use stats to predict Jeremy Lin saving our season, signing JR Smith and Novak getting serious minutes and shooting around 50% from 3.

    34. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Mulligan:
      I must have missed that post where you found the ability to use stats to predict Jeremy Lin saving our season, signing JR Smith and Novak getting serious minutes and shooting around 50% from 3.

      No, you’re right. If it weren’t for them, this Amar’e and Carmelo “core” would have skidded to a lottery pick.

      HaTaZ bE tRyiNa StUdy mAh SwAggG

    35. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      P.S. Tyson Chandler set a league record for TS% in a season, including ABA.

    36. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Yeah, it was coincidence. I didn’t, you know, predict based on stats, or anything.

      It was purely a coincidence though. You had 36 wins with Douglas, Fields and Walker as significant contributors.

    37. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: No, you’re right. If it weren’t for them, this Amar’e and Carmelo “core” would have skidded to a lottery pick.

      HaTaZ bE tRyiNa StUdy mAh SwAggG

      Not if Fields, Douglas and Walker were somewhat competent. Career down years from Melo and Amar’e looks pretty flukish right now, too, doesn’t it?

    38. thenamestsam

      I think dismissing it as purely coincidence is pretty silly, except in the sense that all correct predictions are coincidences. No one can predict exactly what will happen with any team. Some things will always go better with a team than you expected, and some things will go worse. Sure Douglas, Fields and Walker were worse than expected, but Shumpert, Lin and Novak were better than anyone expected. Did those things even out? Probably somewhat, but definitely not exactly. Ideally we’d just run 100,000 sims of this season, take the average record and then see who was right, but my time machine is still in production, and besides the government has informed me that upon completion they have more important stuff they want to use it for than my deranged basketball experiments.

      Anyway, my point is if you only count a prediction as correct if each player performs exactly as projected before the season then no one has ever had a correct prediction.

    39. 2FOR18

      thenamestsam:
      I think dismissing it as purely coincidence is pretty silly, except in the sense that all correct predictions are coincidences. No one can predict exactly what will happen with any team. Some things will always go better with a team than you expected, and some things will go worse. Sure Douglas, Fields and Walker were worse than expected, but Shumpert, Lin and Novak were better than anyone expected. Did those things even out? Probably somewhat, but definitely not exactly. Ideally we’d just run 100,000 sims of this season, take the average record and then see who was right, but my time machine is still in production, and besides the government has informed me that upon completion they have more important stuff they want to use it for than my deranged basketball experiments.

      Anyway, my point is if you only count a prediction as correct if each player performs exactly as projected before the season then no one has ever had a correct prediction.

      Someone mentioned melo in a non 100% positive light, so ruru was obligated to say something. Just be glad it was in under 500 words.

    40. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      ruruland: It was purely a coincidence though. You had 36 wins with Douglas, Fields and Walker as significant contributors.

      You’re right: Douglas and Fields weren’t good at all, last year. Go back to Carmelo’s footstool, bro.

    41. ruruland

      thenamestsam:
      I think dismissing it as purely coincidence is pretty silly, except in the sense that all correct predictions are coincidences. No one can predict exactly what will happen with any team. Some things will always go better with a team than you expected, and some things will go worse. Sure Douglas, Fields and Walker were worse than expected, but Shumpert, Lin and Novak were better than anyone expected. Did those things even out? Probably somewhat, but definitely not exactly. Ideally we’d just run 100,000 sims of this season, take the average record and then see who was right, but my time machine is still in production, and besides the government has informed me that upon completion they have more important stuff they want to use it for than my deranged basketball experiments.

      Anyway, my point is if you only count a prediction as correct if each player performs exactly as projected before the season then no one has ever had a correct prediction.

      Nah, I think with team predictions you expect variance in performance. One guy might have a down year, another better than expected. But, we’re talking about something much different this year.

      I mean, if you had taken reasonable projections from Melo, Amar’e, Fields, Chandler, Douglas, Walker, it’s still more than a 36 win team.

      All of them except Chandler completely fell off the charts.

      If they all were closer to repeating past performances, I’d imagine they could have finished north of 40 wins.

    42. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: You’re right: Douglas and Fields weren’t good at all, last year. Go back to Carmelo’s footstool, bro.

      Right, I think your projection based on their past performances was too conservative.

      That’s how far they all fell off.

    43. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      So y’all are mad that it was THCJ who predicted the team’s overall record, huh? Mad? Seriously mad?

    44. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      ruruland: Nah, I think with team predictions you expect variance in performance. One guy might have a down year, another better than expected. But, we’re talking about something much different this year.

      I mean, if you had taken reasonable projections from Melo, Amar’e, Fields, Chandler, Douglas, Walker, it’s still more than a 36 win team.

      All of them except Chandler completely fell off the charts.

      If they all were closer to repeating past performances, I’d imagine they could have finished north of 40 wins.

      Why weren’t Carmelo’s magic teammate-bettering powers enough to stop them from falling off?

    45. thenamestsam

      ruruland: Nah, I think with team predictions you expect variance in performance. One guy might have a down year, another better than expected. But, we’re talking about something much different this year.

      I mean, if you had taken reasonable projections from Melo, Amar’e, Fields, Chandler, Douglas, Walker, it’s still more than a 36 win team.

      All of them except Chandler completely fell off the charts.

      If they all were closer to repeating past performances, I’d imagine they could have finished north of 40 wins.

      Your logic is effectively 100% circular. You’re saying his projection was lucky because a “reasonable projection” would have been higher so clearly the Knicks got unlucky to meet his total. Personally, I think the years we got from Amare (frequently hurt and not a great fit when healthy) and Melo (at times amazing and at times woefully inadequate on the glass and D and merely decent on O) were exactly what some people might have predicted. Toney and Fields fell off a cliff, but Lin, Novak and Shump dramatically overachieved, and JR was an unexpected bonus. His prediction looks pretty darn good to me with the benefit of hindsight.

    46. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Why weren’t Carmelo’s magic teammate-bettering powers enough to stop them from falling off?

      Double-teams and defensive tilts aren’t magic. The improved looks they create aren’t magic.

      Guys who can make open shots and beat defenders flying at them in rotation have always taken advantage of Melo’s presence on the floor. The numbers that show this happening consistently aren’t magic.

      First, Melo wasn’t really used in the mid-post much by MDA, Fields, Douglas couldn’t make open shots with anyone on the floor, they couldn’t make them in an empty gym.

    47. Juany8

      THCJ, considering that early in the season you were jumping up and down about how you were right about the Knicks when they were 8-15, it’s pretty funny to see you trying to take credit for a prediction where 3 of our better statistical performers weren’t getting playing time for the first half of the season (JR, Novak, and Lin). Besides if Landry Fields was even a tenth of as good as you predicted he’d be (supposedly he was the Knicks’ best player last year) this team probably would have won 40 games. Melo finishing with one of his better seasons in terms of WS/48 helped too.

    48. Juany8

      Besides the Knick’s point differential is better than their record, so statistically speaking THCJ still didn’t predict the Knick’s performance. But then this might be the most inconsistent team of all time, there were like 5 major lineups throughout the season depending on injuries and random acquisitions. Besides if Lin doesn’t go out to end the season (sticking the team with an injured Baron and Mike Bibby at point) this team might have had a monster differential after Woodson took over (the stretch before he went out was as impressive as any team had this year, and that was with Melo still shooting like shit)

    49. ruruland

      thenamestsam: Your logic is effectively 100% circular. You’re saying his projection was lucky because a “reasonable projection” would have been higher so clearly the Knicks got unlucky to meet his total. Personally, I think the years we got from Amare (frequently hurt and not a great fit when healthy) and Melo (at times amazing and at times woefully inadequate on the glass and D and merely decent on O) were exactly what some people might have predicted. Toney and Fields fell off a cliff, but Lin, Novak and Shump dramatically overachieved, and JR was an unexpected bonus. His prediction looks pretty darn good to me with the benefit of hindsight.

      No, I’m saying his projection is utterly meaningless because none of the inputs it would have theoretically relied upon were anywhere near being predicted accurately.

      They were well outside a reasonably projected range.

      To say his original projection was conservative is not “circular logic”. I’m not using premise in support of the other, or one argument to prove the other, or vice-versa. So I have no idea where you came up with that.

      Amar’e and Melo’s performances were WAY down — they were both not healthy or in physical shape, and Melo wasn’t being properly utilized.

      Fields and Douglas weren’t NBA rotation players most of the year.

      No one could have predicted those things — and no one did. That was obviously the point.

      Some of us, however, did predict a long run in the second half (when the sky was falling), did predict a huge surge from Melo, did predict JR Smith playing good defense, playmaking, and being a huge boost.

      But we’re not pretending that those predictions somehow make us sage.

    50. Z

      massive: He was right, but I think that’s more coincidence than anything else…You have to give the man credit though…

      It was in Jowle’s “cautiously optimistic” phase that lasted from the Tyson Chandler signing to Christmas Day.

    51. Richmond County

      Just to clarify: did THCJ successfully predict the Knicks record for the season or did he post a picture of Reggie Miller taking a dump on the Knicks logo at half-court on Clyde Frazier’s birthday?

    52. thenamestsam

      ruruland: No, I’m saying his projection is utterly meaningless because none of the inputs it would have theoretically relied upon were anywhere near being predicted accurately.

      They were well outside a reasonably projected range.

      To say his original projection was conservative is not “circular logic”. I’m not using premise in support of the other, or one argument to prove the other, or vice-versa. So I have no idea where you came up with that.

      Amar’e and Melo’s performances were WAY down — they were both not healthy or in physical shape, and Melo wasn’t being properly utilized.

      Fields and Douglas weren’t NBA rotation players most of the year.

      No one could have predicted those things — and no one did. That was obviously the point.

      Some of us, however, did predict a long run in the second half (when the sky was falling), did predict a huge surge from Melo, did predict JR Smith playing good defense, playmaking, and being a huge boost.

      But we’re not pretending that those predictions somehow make us sage.

      I don’t think it’s worth going much further down this road. I think we can both agree that getting one prediction right or wrong doesn’t prove much of anything. Could be due to being a sage, could be solely down to randomness. Only a sustained track record of successful predictions is really important one way or the other.

      I’m curious what you think about the matchup with the Heat. As perhaps the board’s foremost optimist I wonder how you see it playing out. I think we have a very real shot to pull this off. You?

    53. Juany8

      thenamestsam: I don’t think it’s worth going much further down this road. I think we can both agree that getting one prediction right or wrong doesn’t prove much of anything. Could be due to being a sage, could be solely down to randomness. Only a sustained track record of successful predictions is really important one way or the other.

      I’m curious what you think about the matchup with the Heat. As perhaps the board’s foremost optimist I wonder how you see it playing out. I think we have a very real shot to pull this off. You?

      The matchup with the Heat could come down to how well Amar’e can defend Bosh. If Tyson is allowed to stay in the paint, Lebron and Wade will have trouble scoring consistently in the half court, and Amar’e and Chandler give the Knicks a pretty decisive advantage inside. If Amar’e plays at all like his playoff history shows he is capable of, the Knicks can pull off the upset.

    54. ruruland

      thenamestsam:

      I’m curious what you think about the matchup with the Heat. As perhaps the board’s foremost optimist I wonder how you see it playing out.

      As I said yesterday, the playoffs are the hardest thing to predict when you have two teams reasonably close — one of the things that make them so great, actually.

      Yes, the Knicks can beat the Heat. From a really broad perspective, they’ll obviously need to limit turnovers and focus on sprinting back in transition on long rebounds.

      Those things are obvious, but even those things you have to consider: How do you limit turnovers and still create good aggressive shots? How do you create good offense if you’re worried about turnovers? There’s a sphincter-tightening kind of paralysis that can totally ruin your offense if you get too conservative….And it’s the kind of the thing that can totally shift the momentum and psychological edge of the WHOLE series. You don’t want the Knicks playing passive against those athletes.

      Can you still take advantage of one of Miami’s weaknesses –defensive rebounding— if you’re focused on taking away transition points?

      There are a lot of things we don’t know that will have a huge effect on the series — strategical, tactical things, how certain players are defended, etc.

      One thing going for the Knicks, possibly, is that the Heat are looking at the Finals.

      In the back of their minds they’re already preparing for a really long, drawn out, run. Subconsciously, it would only be natural for them to preserve their energy and intensity in the first round, especially considering how they fell short last year.

      In that sense, this is the perfect time to face them, as it often is with championship-caliber teams coming off a long playoff run.

    55. jon abbey

      Juany8:
      THCJ, considering that early in the season you were jumping up and down about how you were right about the Knicks when they were 8-15, it’s pretty funny to see you trying to take credit for a prediction where 3 of our better statistical performers weren’t getting playing time for the first half of the season (JR, Novak, and Lin). Besides if Landry Fields was even a tenth of as good as you predicted he’d be (supposedly he was the Knicks’ best player last year) this team probably would have won 40 games. Melo finishing with one of his better seasons in terms of WS/48 helped too.

      exactly, exactly, exactly. even a stopped clock is right twice a day and all that…

      I didn’t make a prediction, but again, I can’t think of a team in professional sports history where it makes less sense to lump their entire season together. we had something like six different teams in a shortened season.

    56. ruruland

      I think the Knicks are in a really optimal position from a collective mentality perspective.

      Next year this is probably going to be looked at as the series that decides who moves on to the championship.

      This year, the Knicks are really just another underachieving, dysfunctional team — that’s what it looks like on the surface.

      But I think they’ll be extremely focused from play-to-play.

      Melo has something to prove. Their isn’t a whole lot of pressure.

      Game 1 is the easiest to steal. But there’s little to analyze. The fun starts when we start to look at how teams adjust after game 1.

    57. Frank

      @57 – maybe I’m looking at this through NYK fan goggles, but I feel really good about this team right now, and I am pretty sure that Miami would rather have played any of the other 5-8 seeds rather than us. If they beat us, they will have Indiana, which is a matchup that probably doesn’t scare them. We are probably the toughest series they will have until the conference finals. I don’t think we can even hope they are looking past us.

      @56 – agreed re: Amare vs. Bosh. I am pretty sure we will see a very steady diet of PNR involving Wade/LBJ and Bosh if that is the matchup though. Amare had more success post-Woodson doing a hard trap on the ball handler, but I’d be really worried about his ability to stop Wade from splitting that double team.

      Tyson did not practice today – that is a big blow. They need to get their defensive strategy set, and only had this one practice to personalize it for the Heat.

    58. Brian Cronin

      I would imagine the biggest difference maker for the Knicks will be if they hit a goodly amount of threes. The Heat are not good from three and don’t defend threes particularly well. Novak and Smith alone could win a game for them if they both get hot.

    59. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      I would imagine the biggest difference maker for the Knicks will be if they hit a goodly amount of threes. The Heat are not good from three and don’t defend threes particularly well. Novak and Smith alone could win a game for them if they both get hot.

      Novak won’t likely get a lot of shots early in the series.

      I think he’ll be a huge focus of their defense.

    60. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      Which is, in and of itself, a key for the Knicks, right?

      Yeah, but his ability to space the floor is huge. If Melo and Amar’e action can’t be stopped, they’ll be forced to change which could create opportunities.

      I think they’ll basically play straight up to start, which is perfect. Another thing about having Melo against Lebron is that it’ll be tough for Lebron to get ahead of the pack in transition if he’s always guarding the ball.

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