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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Apr 26 2013)

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Dominate Inside to Beat Clippers 94-82 (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:39:38 GMT)
    The Memphis bench has been missing in action through the first two games against the Los Angeles Clippers. Those reserves are starting to show they can hold their own on the floor and help keep the Grizzlies in this series.    

  • [New York Times] Allen, Heat Up 3-0 After 104-91 Win Over Bucks (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:18:47 GMT)
    For all Miami has accomplished with its Big Three â?? and it’s been plenty â?? there’s still one thing the Heat haven’t done.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Beat Clippers 94-82 to Pull to 2-1 (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:01:05 GMT)
    Zach Randolph’s fast start helped the Memphis Grizzlies return to their inside dominance.    

  • [New York Times] Game 3: Nets vs. Bulls (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:49:34 GMT)
    The Bulls’ defense overwhelmed the Nets, giving Chicago a 2-1 lead in the best-of-seven playoff series.    

  • [New York Times] Nets Near a Contract Extension With General Manager Billy King (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:40:04 GMT)
    General Manager Billy King, who oversaw the team’s move to Brooklyn and its overhauled roster, is close to reaching a multiyear extension that would keep him in the job.    

  • [New York Times] Same Questions, Same Answers for Bulls: Derrick Rose Is Out (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:37:07 GMT)
    Derrick Rose, a 24-year-old Chicago native, may be a shadow on the Bulls’ bench, but the team seems willing to stoke the flames of a possible comeback.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Landscape Altered by Barrage of 3-Point Shots (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:16:07 GMT)
    Three-pointers represented almost 1 out of every 4 shots taken this season, and the trend of attempting those crowd-pleasing shots has pushed steadily upward.    

  • [New York Times] Boozer Helps Bulls Beat Nets 79-76 in Game 3 (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:36:57 GMT)
    Every play near the basket looked like a traffic accident. There were long scoreless stretches. Shooting from outside was a dicey proposition.    

  • [New York Times] Game 3: Bulls 79, Nets 76: Late Rally Falls Short as Nets Lose to Bulls (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:36:55 GMT)
    The Nets got 10 points from Brook Lopez in the fourth quarter, but it was not enough to come back against the Bulls, who took a 2-1 lead in their first-round playoff series.    

  • [New York Times] Allen, Heat Up 3-0 After 104-91 Win Over Bucks (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 03:28:25 GMT)
    Every game, someone different steps up for the Miami Heat.    

  • [New York Times] Raymond Felton Has Earned Respect of Knicks, and the Celtics (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 03:09:23 GMT)
    Raymond Felton, who replaced Jeremy Lin at point guard, has been integral to the Knicks’ revival, and a key reason they hold a 2-0 lead over the Celtics in the first round.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: LeBron James and Ray Allen Lead Heat Past Bucks for 3-0 Lead (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 02:43:16 GMT)
    The Miami Heat’s latest spurt put the Milwaukee Bucks on the verge of elimination from the playoffs.    

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: The Mike Brown Redux in Cleveland (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 02:26:32 GMT)
    Mike Brown will do an encore as the coach of the Cavaliers, the team that unceremoniously dumped him in 2010.    

  • [New York Times] Barca Overpower Panathinaikos to Reach Final Four (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 01:18:40 GMT)
    A strong first quarter propelled 2010 Euroleague champions Barcelona to the competition’s Final Four in London’s O2 Arena from May 10-12 after they engineered a 64-53 win over six-time champions Panathinaikos Athens on Thursday.    

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Rivers fined $25,000 for criticizing officials (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 00:35:50 EDT)
    WALTHAM, Mass. — Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers was fined $25,000 for public criticism of officiating, NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson announced on Thursday.
    After Celtics center Kevin Garnett ran into foul trouble during Tuesday’s Game 2 loss, earning two whistles in an 18-second span early in the first quarter, Rivers voiced his displeasure in his postgame news conference.
    “I thought the fouls on Kevin were horrendous and had a huge effect on us,” Rivers said.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Tyson’s got legs (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:46:52 GMT)
    The Knicks’ defense has shut down the Celtics thus far in their first-round playoff series. It’s surprising despite the little contribution from defensive tour de force Tyson Chandler. But the 7-footer believes that’s about to change.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks veterans point way to beat Celtics (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:31:01 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith and Raymond Felton have been the Knicks’ best players in the first two games of their first-round series with the Celtics. They have 24 years of NBA experience between them but have combined for only four playoff series wins.    

  • [New York Daily News] Smith: Time for Melo to be the man (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:18:45 GMT)
    From the time he set foot on the floor at Madison Square Garden, Carmelo Anthony has been a lightning rod for criticism a polarizing figure who would either lead the Knicks to the Promised Land of another championship or leave them marooned on an island, clutching the glory from 40 years ago.    

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ goal: Finish it in Boston (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:16:30 -0500)
    How sweep it would be, especially for Carmelo Anthony.
    The Knicks have put themselves in position for sweep payback and a chance to close out their first round series in Boston this weekend.
    The series shifts to highly charged TD Garden tonight for Game 3 in the Celtics’ first home…

  • [New York Post] Boston, New York linked by heartache (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:16:51 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? We remember, though we wish we didn’t have to. We share these experiences, these colliding emotions, even though, if we could, we’d purge them from our brains, our souls, our hearts.
    We remember those awful weeks following Sept. 11, 2001, when friends and relatives and complete strangers…

  • [New York Post] Doc fined $25,000 for criticizing refs (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:17:29 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? There goes that whole freedom of speech thing out the window.
    The NBA slapped Celtics coach Doc Rivers with a $25,000 fine Thursday for publicly criticizing officials Tuesday after Game 2 of the Eastern Conference first-round series with the Knicks. Rivers labeled their calls “horrendousâ? after Kevin Garnett…

  • [New York Post] Chandler hunting for mint condition (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:17:05 -0500)
    For the struggling but improving Tyson Chandler, the issues going into tonight’s Game 3 remain his stamina and his rust.
    Through the first two games of the Knicks-Celtics series, Chandler hasn’t even been the most valuable big man on his team. Still recovering from missing 16 of the…

  • [New York Post] Pierce tries to do it all as shorthanded Celtics face steep climb (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:17:17 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? He has chased Knicks point guards at times and guarded one of the game’s most prolific scorers, Carmelo Anthony, at others.
    In between, the Celtics also have asked Paul Pierce to initiate the offense, pass out of the post and, of course, score.
    Go ahead, add any other…

  • [New York Post] Van Gundy: Amar’e can’t be forced back into flow (Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:16:40 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? Jeff Van Gundy said he believes a new postseason award should be invented: “Most Unselfish Act for a Player on a Guaranteed Max Contract.”
    Van Gundy, an ESPN/ABC analyst and former Knicks coach, said Thursday that Amar’e Stoudemire would win the award hands down.
    Stoudemire is expected…

  • 85 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Apr 26 2013)

    1. Brian C

      Mike Brown re-hired in Cleveland and the Nets extending Billy King.

      Yeah, both of those moves make total sense!

    2. Brian C

      Question – what is the largest lead that the Bucks would have to have going into the fourth quarter against the Heat where you would actually say to yourself, “I think the Heat will likely lose this game.”

      I think my answer would be 13 points.

    3. Brian C

      Oh yeah, even at 20 I’d say, “Okay, the Heat still have a real chance to win this,” but I think once you get up to 13 or so points, odds are that even the Heat aren’t a LOCK to pull it out.

      A good thing about the Knicks is that I feel like that about them, as well. Like the halftime deficit in Game 2. I wasn’t worried about it at all since I knew they could just turn it on in the third quarter. I didn’t think they’d turn it on exactly as much as they did, but I knew SOME sort of “turning it on” was coming.

    4. Brian C

      I should say “I feel like that about them, just to a lesser extent,” as obviously no one turns it on quite like the Heat does.

    5. d-mar

      Is the Nets bandwagon running on fumes yet? They look absolutely lost on offense and D-Will has been shaky at best since game 1 (when the discussion turned way prematurely to a Nets-Heat matchup)

    6. Brian C

      The Nets have definitely not looked good, but at the same time, I think the bigger erroneous kneejerk reaction after Game 1 was the way that the Bulls were being written off, not that the Nets were being overly praised (although the Nets were, indeed, being overly praised).

      The Bulls are a good team, especially on defense.

    7. Juany8

      Chicago played strangely awful defensively the first game,gave the impression that the series was over. Amusingly enough, Chicago blew out Miami by 24 in the conference finals a year ago and didnt win a game after. The only series where game 1 might seriously matter is the 1-8 matchup or 2-7 matchups. I think if the underdog is able to come out and win game 1, that gives them a much better shot to win the series in that case, since they didnt have much of a chance to begin with. When it’s supposed to be 2 close teams playing, you gotta give the loser a chance to make adjustments and see how they play before declaring them dead.

      So it’s pretty safe to say that the Knicks, thunder, heat, and spurs are going to win. The lakers and celtics still have their reputation so I’m sure some will argue that they need to play at home, but I think that’s being practically superstitious at that point. I’m worried about injuries, not two aging all stars and a bunch of spare parts.

      Most of the middle series are far more intriguing on the other hand (let’s pretend the hawks don’t exist for a second lol). Chicago has clearly seized control of the series, although I think it’s too early to crown them yet, they weren’t playing that well either. Denver needed a game winner to avoid going 0-2 at home after winning 24 home games in a row. Not a good sign that they were below .500 on the road either. Still I think they come back to Denver evened up at 2-2. And clippers grizzlies just got involved as well, as long as they can win their next home game they look pretty even with the clippers. Chris Paul had more turnovers than assists or made field goals last night by the way. Wonder what the media reaction would be if Melo or Westbrook had that kind if game…

    8. GHenman

      Watson had a pretty good look on that last shot to send the game into OT. It wouldn’t suprise me if the Nets took game 4. D-Will’s play has really been suprising to me. I think he is still alot better than he’s shown, if not the Net’s truly are doomed for years to come.

    9. Brian C

      Yeah, I agree that the first game only really matters in the 1-8, 2-7 matchup. Luckily for the Knicks, they won Game 1 so I agree, the big thing is just getting the team out of the first round in healthy shape.

      Here’s an interesting question – it seems clear that the Pacers so far have dominated the Hawks more than the Knicks have dominated the Celtics….do you think that is a cause for any sort of alarm or are the Hawks really just that pathetic?

      I lean towards the latter, myself, but I’ve been really anti-Atlanta for quite awhile now.

    10. GHenman

      Seems like the Hawks gave up on the season about a month ago. When Paul George is scoring Indiana is a very good team regardless. This is where we will miss Brewer.

    11. d-mar

      GHenman:
      Seems like the Hawks gave up on the season about a month ago.When Paul George is scoring Indiana is a very good team regardless.This is where we will miss Brewer.

      The ludicrous thing is that the Hawks supposedly tanked the end of the season because they preferred the Pacers over the Nets as a first round opponent. Maybe the Nets would be kicking their ass too, but still seems pretty dumb.

    12. thenamestsam

      d-mar: The ludicrous thing is that the Hawks supposedly tanked the end of the season because they preferred the Pacers over the Nets as a first round opponent. Maybe the Nets would be kicking their ass too, but still seems pretty dumb.

      I think it was actually more to avoid Miami in the 2nd round, which if anything is even dumber. If Atlanta was really telling themselves they would make it to the conference finals as long as they avoided Miami’s bracket…well, that is some high level delusional thinking. I actually want to give them some credit for that. It’s impressive in a way.

      And yeah, I think the Bucks need to either be up 15-20 when Miami starts trying or hope that they get a game when Miami doesn’t ever start trying (which wouldn’t actually shock me in game 4). It was funny last night that even the announcers were openly acknowledging that Miami hadn’t started trying yet in the 2nd quarter. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a team that always seems like they can go on a 20-0 run if they really want to the way this Miami team does. They’re scary.

    13. Juany8

      Brian C:
      Yeah, I agree that the first game only really matters in the 1-8, 2-7 matchup. Luckily for the Knicks, they won Game 1 so I agree, the big thing is just getting the team out of the first round in healthy shape.

      Here’s an interesting question –it seems clear that the Pacers so far have dominated the Hawks more than the Knicks have dominated the Celtics….do you think that is a cause for any sort of alarm or are the Hawks really just that pathetic?

      I lean towards the latter, myself, but I’ve been really anti-Atlanta for quite awhile now.

      Another thing to consider is Tyson Chandler’s lackluster play. THe Knicks should get better going forward if he starts feeling better. I love that Kmart was able to finish game 1, but that shouldn’t need to happen.

    14. er

      Juany8: We haven’t even seen a dominant Melo game lol. If he goes off for 45 this year, he won’t be passing it to Jared Jeffries when they double team him at the end of the game.

      that game made me so mad, i thought it was better than lebrons game against detroit due to the sheer filth flarn filth that was on the court with melo ie Ronny turiaf and Jarred Jefferies and Anthony Carter. I want this sweep BAD

    15. er

      Juany8: Another thing to consider is Tyson Chandler’s lackluster play. THe Knicks should get better going forward if he starts feeling better. I love that Kmart was able to finish game 1, but that shouldn’t need to happen.

      he finished game 2 also

    16. Juany8

      er: that game made me so mad, i thought it was better than lebrons game against detroit due to the sheer filth flarn filth that was on the court with melo ie Ronny turiaf and Jarred Jefferies and Anthony Carter. I want this sweep BAD

      That was one of the most impressive playoff performances I’ve ever seen. He just decided he was going to make everything. You forgot Bill Walker and Roger Mason III too lmao.

    17. Brian Cronin

      Phew, good to be back. I couldn’t believe I couldn’t log on for the first two games of the playoffs! Thanks for the fix, Mike!

    18. lavor postell

      er: that game made me so mad, i thought it was better than lebrons game against detroit due to the sheer filth flarn filth that was on the court with melo ie Ronny turiaf and Jarred Jefferies and Anthony Carter. I want this sweep BAD

      It would be very cathartic to sweep the Celtics and pour the dirt over the remains of the KG/Pierce Celtics. I mean a first round exit this year and you’d have to think that Boston will be looking to move either Pierce or Garnett in the summer. Maybe even Rondo for the right package, though his low cap number makes finding equal value very difficult.

    19. er

      Juany8: That was one of the most impressive playoff performances I’ve ever seen. He just decided he was going to make everything. You forgot Bill Walker and Roger Mason III too lmao.

      funny he had that game against the heat last year too…..so that means at least 1 is coming this year. Hopefully its in a certain series (ecf) dont wanna get ahead of myself though lol. BTW these seemingly week long layoffs are killing me with anticipation smh

    20. Frank O.

      Two points are key about the Nets-Bulls series:
      Joe Johnson is playing hurt, still gave them 41 minutes. But If he is not himself, the Nets are a far less dangerous team.
      Second, while the Bulls won, they didn’t score a basket in the last five or so minutes of the game.
      This speaks well of Bulls defense that they won. But it shows the team’s vulnerability offensively.

      The key is Deron. I am stunned at how poorly he can play. There was a time when many of us saw him as the second best guard in the game. These days, he’s pretty average. He can’t be average for the Nets to beat the Bulls D.

    21. Brian Cronin

      If we lose tonight it’s Brian’s fault.

      You better believe I considered that just as I was making my comment. ;) They better win this shit tonight!

    22. Frank

      Um– did anyone see this?

      @dailythunder: Russell Westbrook will undergo surgery for a meniscus tear in his right knee. No timetable announced.

      Holy $@^$#. West is wide open now. Could see Clips, Griz, or SA in NBA Finals now.

    23. er

      Frank: Um– did anyone see this?@dailythunder: Russell Westbrook will undergo surgery for a meniscus tear in his right knee. No timetable announced.Holy $@^$#. West is wide open now. Could see Clips, Griz, or SA in NBA Finals now.

      Frank you just beat me to the punch, my brother just freakin hit me up and told me this. I dont see it anywhere yet tho

    24. iserp

      Yep, just see it, :S

      Winner of Grizzlies-Clippers has a big boost to go to the conference finals.

    25. thenamestsam

      Frank:
      Um– did anyone see this?

      @dailythunder: Russell Westbrook will undergo surgery for a meniscus tear in his right knee. No timetable announced.

      Holy $@^$#.West is wide open now. Could see Clips, Griz, or SA in NBA Finals now.

      Yeah. Really sucks for that team. A lot of weight on Durant now to show that he’s capable of doing his thing without Westbrook. They still have the talent to make a good run, but only if KD dominates. Big moment for him. Bet they’re really wishing they had Harden right about now.

    26. Juany8

      thenamestsam: Yeah. Really sucks for that team. A lot of weight on Durant now to show that he’s capable of doing his thing without Westbrook. They still have the talent to make a good run, but only if KD dominates. Big moment for him. Bet they’re really wishing they had Harden right about now.

      Damn that is a huge bummer, not only for a likeable Thunder team but for anyone who just wants to see Miami lose lol. They were the biggest threat to the Heat, now it might actually be the Knicks….

    27. Hubert Davis

      Frank:
      Um– did anyone see this?

      @dailythunder: Russell Westbrook will undergo surgery for a meniscus tear in his right knee. No timetable announced.

      Holy $@^$#.West is wide open now. Could see Clips, Griz, or SA in NBA Finals now.

      I just saw it and rushed over here. It’s widely underreported right now. Is this a big deal? I can’t tell if he’s out for the playoffs or back in the 2nd round.

    28. er

      Juany8: Damn that is a huge bummer, not only for a likeable Thunder team but for anyone who just wants to see Miami lose lol. They were the biggest threat to the Heat, now it might actually be the Knicks….

      honestly i dont think they could beat miami full strength anyway. I think a tougher team like memphis or the knicks could though

    29. Juany8

      My god the Thunder are going to have to rely on Reggie Jackson and Durant isolations to score points. I don’t know if they get out of the second round without him.

    30. flossy

      Jeez, that sucks about Westbrook. At least they have another elite playmaker in the backcourt in Kevin Mar—ahahahaha.

    31. Hubert Davis

      Let’s see Kevin Durant win with his fancy efficiency stats now that he has to do it like Melo does. Come on, KD, we’re all watching.

    32. er

      flossy: Jeez, that sucks about Westbrook. At least they have another elite playmaker in the backcourt in Kevin Mar—ahahahaha.

      lol

    33. thenamestsam

      Hubert Davis: I just saw it and rushed over here.It’s widely underreported right now.Is this a big deal?I can’t tell if he’s out for the playoffs or back in the 2nd round.

      Definitely a big deal. Won’t really know the timetable until they say something about the severity of the injury. If you’re into irresponsible speculation though, here’s mine. He played the entire rest of the game, and he really didn’t seem that badly hurt. If it’s only a minor tear, well, MWP made it back in less than two weeks. That’s obviously the extreme short end of the calendar, but it’s what’s possible in a best case scenario. They should still win this round easily without him (the 2-0 lead certainly helps). Next round will be a tossup. They’re actually quite unlucky that they’ll have to play the Clips-Grizz winner. The other side of the bracket is clearly easier right now. If they can squeeze by that round, the start date for conference finals is May 22. Three and a half weeks away still. He almost certainly wouldn’t be 100%, but it’s not an impossible goal. I don’t think they can beat San Antonio without him.

    34. Douglas

      Frank:
      Um– did anyone see this?

      @dailythunder: Russell Westbrook will undergo surgery for a meniscus tear in his right knee. No timetable announced.

      Holy $@^$#.West is wide open now. Could see Clips, Griz, or SA in NBA Finals now.

      All I can think of is what a giant dick Patrick Beverley is for going for the steal and knocking knees with Westbrook when Westbrook was calling a timeout.

      So much for Westbrook’s ironman streak :(

    35. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Well, no more of Westbrook’s greasy, explosive athleticism will coat the NBA basketball on its way to Durant’s hands. I’m not sure that Kevin himself will ever be able to hit a 34-foot jumper again.

      There’s just no way.

    36. thenamestsam

      Douglas: All I can think of is what a giant dick Patrick Beverley is for going for the steal and knocking knees with Westbrook when Westbrook was calling a timeout.

      So much for Westbrook’s ironman streak :(

      Don’t understand this angle at all. Players do this all the time, including Westbrook, who tries it a couple times a game. It’s just bad luck. Guy goes for a steal, they bang knees, one guy who never gets hurt picks up a fluke injury. Doesn’t make the other guy a dick.

    37. jon abbey

      Douglas: All I can think of is what a giant dick Patrick Beverley is for going for the steal and knocking knees with Westbrook when Westbrook was calling a timeout.

      So much for Westbrook’s ironman streak :(

      it really reminds me of when that scrub catcher from Toronto (?) landed on Jeter at third base and knocked him out for a few months. not a dirty play exactly, but a play 98 percent of real pros don’t make.

    38. Hubert Davis

      I don’t know that they win this series against Houston.

      If you watched game 2, the Rockets really figured something out when they replaced Lin with Beverley. I thought they had a 35-40% chance of winning two in Houston before this news. Now I think it’s 55-60% likely that this goes back to OKC 2-2.

      And watching Kevin Durant try to win while keeping those pretty efficiency numbers now has just become one of the more interesting subplots of the playoffs.

    39. Frank

      thenamestsam: Don’t understand this angle at all. Players do this all the time, including Westbrook, who tries it a couple times a game. It’s just bad luck. Guy goes for a steal, they bang knees, one guy who never gets hurt picks up a fluke injury. Doesn’t make the other guy a dick.

      definitely agree- guys go for that steal attempt all the time. Prigioni does it 3-4x/game. Still sucks for Russ.

      It’s just dumb – I’d like to know the last time someone actually got a steal with that play.

    40. lavor postell

      Frank: definitely agree- guys go for that steal attempt all the time. Prigioni does it 3-4x/game. Still sucks for Russ.

      It’s just dumb – I’d like to know the last time someone actually got a steal with that play.

      By the same token Andre Miller has done the fake timeout and instead drive to the hoop for an uncontested layup thing several times in his career. Just bad luck for Russ. Very excited to see how Durant responds. Could be coming out party for him if he is as good as we believe.

    41. d-mar

      Wow, seems like every team in the playoffs is either banged up or missing a key player except…..the NBA champion Miami Heat.

      Life isn’t fair.

    42. Douglas

      jon abbey: it really reminds me of when that scrub catcher from Toronto (?) landed on Jeter at third base and knocked him out for a few months. not a dirty play exactly, but a play 98 percent of real pros don’t make.

      Yes. It wasn’t a dirty play, but it was unnecessary and could have been easily avoided.

    43. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      lavor postell: By the same token Andre Miller has done the fake timeout and instead drive to the hoop for an uncontested layup thing several times in his career.Just bad luck for Russ.Very excited to see how Durant responds.Could be coming out party for him if he is as good as we believe.

      Watching Andre Miller complete lay-ups is the biggest case against “raw athleticism” in the NBA. The guy is amazing to watch. One of my favorite players to watch in the post.

    44. flossy

      lavor postell: By the same token Andre Miller has done the fake timeout and instead drive to the hoop for an uncontested layup thing several times in his career.Just bad luck for Russ.Very excited to see how Durant responds.Could be coming out party for him if he is as good as we believe.

      I’m guessing he responds “not well,” not because he isn’t a great player, but because he’s literally never played a professional basketball game without Russell Westbrook, so things are about to get weird.

    45. er

      flossy: I’m guessing he responds “not well,” not because he isn’t a great player, but because he’s literally never played a professional basketball game without Russell Westbrook, so things are about to get weird.

      its funny because he has never played with out angry lil russy in OKC

    46. Douglas

      Does anyone have Melo’s defensive PPP stats from Synergy for the season? Frank posted them a couple of months ago but I couldn’t find anything more recent.

    47. thenamestsam

      Douglas: Yes. It wasn’t a dirty play, but it was unnecessary and could have been easily avoided.

      I’m confused. Which steal attempts are necessary? Which basketball plays are necessary for that matter? Who decided these things? When Prigioni goes for steals on every inbounds is that an unnecessary play? Should he stop?

    48. er

      Douglas: Does anyone have Melo’s defensive PPP stats from Synergy for the season? Frank posted them a couple of months ago but I couldn’t find anything more recent.

      check yesterdays thread, i think someone posted it at .85

    49. lavor postell

      Hubert Davis:
      Wasn’t he drafted a year ahead of Westbrook?

      I’d toss that year out since P.J. Carleismo tried playing him at shooting guard which went poorly to say the least.

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Watching Andre Miller complete lay-ups is the biggest case against “raw athleticism” in the NBA. The guy is amazing to watch. One of my favorite players to watch in the post.

      Yeah he is definitely the old guy at the rec just schooling everybody in slow motion.

    50. Douglas

      er: check yesterdays thread, i think someone posted it at .85

      I couldn’t find it.

      Frank posted on Feb. 29:

      As a matter of fact, Melo has been a very good isolation defender (0.7PPP), PNR ball handler defender (0.76PPP), a ridiculously good post up defender (0.33 PPP in a small sample). He struggles on spot-ups (1.07 PPP – this might be what most people talk about when they call him a bad defender – because he loses his man at times).

      I’m looking for updated PPP numbers by play type.

    51. Hubert Davis

      er: that game made me so mad, i thought it was better than lebrons game against detroit due to the sheer filth flarn filth that was on the court with melo ie Ronny turiaf and Jarred Jefferies and Anthony Carter. I want this sweep BAD

      I love that game, too, but Lebron’s supporting cast wasn’t *that* much better!

      LeBron v Detroit:
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200705310DET.html

      Melo v Boston:
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201104190BOS.html

    52. lavor postell

      flossy: I’m guessing he responds “not well,” not because he isn’t a great player, but because he’s literally never played a professional basketball game without Russell Westbrook, so things are about to get weird.

      That would be my guess as well. It will just be interesting to see how he handles being thrust into the primary shot creation role for the team in addition to having to get his own as well. It helps that the Rockets aren’t great defensively, but they’ll really be able to key in on KD now. I can imagine Houston taking this to 6-7 games now.

    53. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      lavor postell: Yeah he is definitely the old guy at the rec just schooling everybody in slow motion.

      Athleticism is in more than strength and speed. This guy walked into my judo club and went from white belt to black belt in something like 2.5 years. Big and strong, but more than that, exceptionally balanced and with a ridiculous sense of spatial awareness. You can teach a man fundamentals and how to lift and all that, but some people just have a kinesthetic sense that defies education. I always had trouble with timing (which is why I was a shit judoka); he was tossing perfect osoto-garis from his second week on the mats.

      I hate it, but I’m in awe of it.

    54. lavor postell

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Athleticism is in more than strength and speed. This guy walked into my judo club and went from white belt to black belt in something like 2.5 years. Big and strong, but more than that, exceptionally balanced and with a ridiculous sense of spatial awareness. You can teach a man fundamentals and how to lift and all that, but some people just have a kinesthetic sense that defies education. I always had trouble with timing (which is why I was a shit judoka); he was tossing perfect osoto-garis from his second week on the mats.

      I hate it, but I’m in awe of it.

      Yeah I think I’d probably refer to it as his “feel for the game”. Miller is one of those guys who just seems so much more aware of everything going on than everybody else on the floor. What’s scary is when you combine that with a player like Lebron who is also a physical specimen. Then you have the best player in the game.

    55. DS

      Hubert Davis:
      Any updates on LeBron’s meniscus?

      Not cool, I just Googled it. :) And looked up gullible on Dictionary.com.

      Yeah, this Westbrook injury is terrible. I think you can do worse than playing Reggie Jackson 35 mins. and Fisher 13, but not so sure who can fill the scoring hole.

    56. DS

      er: Jackson is actually pretty decent, but we havent seen him play extended mins.

      I agree. I hadn’t watched him other than the Knick game in OKC, but was impressed by stats. It’s a tiny sample size but he went from 14 MPG in the regular season to 21 MPG in Games 1 and 2 and has stayed at roughly the same pace. Assists are up.

    57. er

      mr.JayP:
      KD getting more shots ? Oohh yeeea

      Lol OKC at minimum will make it to the WCF.

      Idk, mem or lac can beat them. Depending on how brutal that series is though.

    58. mr.JayP

      er: Idk,mem or lac can beat them. Depending on how brutal that series is though.

      True. But whoever makes it out of there will def. be banged up.

      One of OKC’s biggest problems was the fact that Westbrick can shoot u in or out of a game and their ball movement/Offense. Giving more shots to KD and spreading the rest to reggie,fish,ibaka Kevin might be a blessing in disguise.

    59. max fisher-cohen

      Douglas:
      Does anyone have Melo’s defensive PPP stats from Synergy for the season? Frank posted them a couple of months ago but I couldn’t find anything more recent.

      I remember from checking earlier Melo was ranked 171st overall in defensive PPP this season. I can’t get on synergy on this computer (no silverlight), so I can’t give you the exact number, but I was comparing him to Pierce, who was 41st overall in defense PPP.

    60. Juany8

      mr.JayP: True. But whoever makes it out of there will def. be banged up.

      One of OKC’s biggest problems was the fact that Westbrick can shoot u in or out of a game and their ball movement/Offense. Giving more shots to KD and spreading the rest to reggie,fish,ibaka Kevin might be a blessing in disguise.

      And I suppose all those guys are just going to magically get open all on their lonesome? Does no one remember what happened when Melo had to bring the ball up the floor every time? Durant might have to do that when Fisher is in the game, Reggie Jackson can’t play 48 minutes a game and might suck if he does.

      Kevin Martin is actually a decent off ball playmaker, but he’s not going to be able to initiate offense against any of the good defenders he’ll face in the second round. Their transition game should be hurt too. It’s a huge loss for the team, and Durant is going to be getting Melo levels of physical play from his defenders who no longer have to seriously pay attention to any threats to drive at the rim. I don’t think Duran’t efficiency will suffer as much as people are predicting, but I think the Thunder’s offense will. That’s kind of what’s important for the Thunder

    61. thenamestsam

      Liked this from Zach Lowe in the wake of the Westbrook injury:

      “My personal fear about the NBA this season, and about these NBA playoffs, was that they constituted an overlong non-drama with a predictable ending. The Heat are 35-1 in the last 36 games in which LeBron James has played. That is very nearly half an NBA season, with one loss. To review: NBA rules dictate that one team must defeat another team four times in seven games in order to eliminate said team and advance to the next round. Four losses, seven games. Miami is 35-1 in the last 36 games featuring the world’s best player. The math … it is not good.”

      Well said, and yet…I still really like the Knicks chances against them. And it’s not like I’m an incurable optimist, I thought Boston was going to be a long and drawn out series. Tonight is a big statement game for the Knicks I think. Both the crowd and the team in Boston know this is basically a last stand. They’re going to bring the emotion and the intensity. It seems like Game 3 is almost always the underdog’s best shot. We’ll win this series either way, but a win tonight would be a larger statement of intent from this team.

    62. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      thenamestsam: “My personal fear about the NBA this season, and about these NBA playoffs, was that they constituted an overlong non-drama with a predictable ending. The Heat are 35-1 in the last 36 games in which LeBron James has played. That is very nearly half an NBA season, with one loss. To review: NBA rules dictate that one team must defeat another team four times in seven games in order to eliminate said team and advance to the next round. Four losses, seven games. Miami is 35-1 in the last 36 games featuring the world’s best player. The math … it is not good.”

      And the Spurs won 22 straight last season. I think the Heat are going to win the whole thing (and could approach a record for win percentage in a single playoffs) but I doubt the Heat would have gone 35-1 against the Thunder, Spurs, Nuggets, or Knicks.

    63. Unreason

      I’m with those that think Westbrook’s impact is undervalued by looking at his numbers alone. A big reason Durant+Westbrook is so amazingly lethal IMO is that they’re both insanely competitive in different but complementary ways: Westbrook – constant relentlessness verging on of out-of-control; unpredictable; disruptive; creative; keeping defenses off balance: Durant – always locked in; steady; focused; savvy; ready to capitalize on opportunities and mistakes; poised; flawless execution.

      That said, I think Durant is so insanely great that he won’t have a very hard time absorbing the extra offensive burden or adapting to a new style of play. He’s just almost too good to believe on offense.

      The larger challenge for him might be in helping the rest of the team remain poised and confident as they work out a new style of play on the fly. I think they have all the weapons needed to win this and the next series without Westbrook. Whether they do, might depend on more on Durant’s leadership skills than his play. Recent coverage portrays him as moving toward a winner = bad ass hyper-driven Kobe/MJ view of elite performance. Who knows if that’s actually happening. Whether it is or not he’ll be the sole leader on the floor now and his ability shoulder that additional leadership burden will either instill confidence and focus or strife and distraction.

    64. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Unreason: I’m with those that think Westbrook’s impact is undervalued by looking at his numbers alone. A big reason Durant+Westbrook is so amazingly lethal IMO is that they’re both insanely competitive in different but complementary ways: Westbrook – constant relentlessness verging on of out-of-control; unpredictable; disruptive; creative; keeping defenses off balance: Durant – always locked in; steady; focused; savvy; ready to capitalize on opportunities and mistakes; poised; flawless execution.

      Are you saying that Westbrook does something intangible that fucks with a team’s ability to play defense?

      I would say that maybe Westbrook’s athleticism would tire out the opposing defense, but am I really supposed to think that one of his off-balance 20-footers somehow makes Durant’s contested threes more likely to go in?

    65. Juany8

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Are you saying that Westbrook does something intangible that fucks with a team’s ability to play defense?

      I would say that maybe Westbrook’s athleticism would tire out the opposing defense, but am I really supposed to think that one of his off-balance 20-footers somehow makes Durant’s contested threes more likely to go in?

      It’s ok guys, they have WP star sefalosha on the team, it just so happens that every shooting guard that plays next to Durant and Westbrook is really the cause of the team’s success, not Westbrook. All those open shots they take happen spontaneously in the playoffs, why wouldn’t their offensive work in exactly the same way when their leader in usage is gone?

    66. mr.JayP

      Juany8: And I suppose all those guys are just going to magically get open all on their lonesome? Does no one remember what happened when Melo had to bring the ball up the floor every time? Durant might have to do that when Fisher is in the game, Reggie Jackson can’t play 48 minutes a game and might suck if he does.

      Kevin Martin is actually a decent off ball playmaker, but he’s not going to be able to initiate offense against any of the good defenders he’ll face in the second round. Their transition game should be hurt too. It’s a huge loss for the team, and Durant is going to be getting Melo levels of physical play from his defenders who no longer have to seriously pay attention to any threats to drive at the rim. I don’t think Duran’t efficiency will suffer as much as people are predicting, but I think the Thunder’s offense will. That’s kind of what’s important for the Thunder

      Reggie is a pretty damn good back up PG. I’m sure he will do fine with an increased work load and might actually step up.

      And as everyone knows, westbrick can shoot you in a game and he can most definitely shoot you out of it as well. This might be a blessing in disguise by running the offense through KD. Only one way to find out.

    67. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Juany8: It’s ok guys, they have WP star sefalosha on the team, it just so happens that every shooting guard that plays next to Durant and Westbrook is really the cause of the team’s success, not Westbrook. All those open shots they take happen spontaneously in the playoffs, why wouldn’t their offensive work in exactly the same way when their leader in usage is gone?

      haha uh huh

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