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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Apr 19 2013)

  • [New York Post] Road to title starts with Boston, improving health (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:50:09 -0500)
    It starts with Boston and the goal is to end it with an Eastern Conference Finals upset of Miami en route to breaking a 40-year championship drought.
    The Knicks dip their toe into the playoff waters tomorrow as the Celtics invade the Garden at 3 p.m. for Game 1…

  • [New York Post] Knicks-Celtics playoff history (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 01:28:23 -0500)
    The Knicks and Celtics have met 14 times in the playoffs, with each winning seven series. There have been great moments for both franchises in a playoff rivalry dating back 62 years, including five straight postseason meetings in the 1950’s and three straight in the 1970’s. The winner…

  • [New York Post] As Melo leads, K-Mart will have his back (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:29:34 -0500)
    It is Carmelo Anthony’s team, Carmelo Anthony’s city, and after all the playoff futility he has endured, if this isn’t Carmelo Anthony’s time, it never will be.
    He’s the one on the billboards, he’s the one who dreamed of playing Broadway, he’s the…

  • [New York Post] Knicks, Nets in playoffs returns NYC to status as the basketball city (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:14:50 -0500)
    If you want to find another basketball year like this one in New York, you probably have to go all the way back to 1974, when one of the teams was playing with a slick red, white and blue ball and the other was finishing its run as the NBA…

  • [New York Post] Chandler ready to return vs. Celtics (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 02:18:19 -0500)
    Because Tyson Chandler barely has played recently because of a bulging disk in his cervical spine, he was asked yesterday if he believed Kevin Garnett might test his neck to see how it fares.
    “I don’t know,â? Chandler said. “I’m going to test some stuff of his as…

  • [New York Post] Celtics aims to make it (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 01:45:43 -0500)
    It forever will be remembered for the confrontation between Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Garnett. The Jan. 7 Celtics-Knicks game at the Garden came on the night Anthony became enraged, and sought Garnett at the Boston team bus afterward as both helped a breakfast cereal receive nationwide publicity in the aftermath…

  • [New York Post] Before Heat turns up, Knicks, Nets face tough opening-round playoff foes (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:50:09 -0500)
    There’s always a but when talking about this season’s NBA playoffs.
    The Knicks are the hottest team in the league and are well-positioned as the No. 2 seed, but … The Nets have had an impressive first season in Brooklyn and Deron Williams is playing his best basketball of…

  • [New York Post] Prigioni likely out (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 02:56:45 -0500)
    No Pablo? No problemo.
    The Knicks are confident they will withstand the ankle sprain to Argentine point guard Pablo Prigioni, whose insertion into the starting lineup coincided with the club’s recent 13-game winning streak.
    Prigioni, who left the Garden on crutches, according to a source, after spraining his ankle…

  • [New York Post] Scouting the Celtics (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 02:01:58 -0500)
    CELTIC GREEN

    In interviews with four NBA scouts, a consensus on the Rajon Rondo-less Celtics emerged. If enigmatic small forward Jeff Green doesn’t live up to his 4-year, $35-million contract, Boston doesn’t stand a chance against the deeper Knicks, who are bigger and shoot the 3-pointer better.
    “[Green…

  • [New York Daily News] Chandler ‘100 percent,’ ready to get physical with C’s (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 07:14:12 GMT)
    Tyson Chandler, who declared himself ‘100 percent’ healthy and ready to man the middle in Game 1 against the Celtics, is thinking big with the playoffs slated to start Saturday against Boston.    

  • [New York Daily News] NBA playoffs: The complete schedule (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:47:53 GMT)
    With the NBA regular season officially over, the NBA playoff schedule is officially set. The Knicks, led by the NBA’s leading scorer, Carmelo Anthony, will kick off the postseason 3 p.m. on Saturday against the Boston Celtics at Madison Square Garden.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Scoring champ Melo needs to make his point (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:26:53 GMT)
    Deep down, Anthony had better feel ticked off about the way he’s been nothing more than a big-time loser at this time of the season. He’s got this well-deserved rap as a high-scoring playoff bust. This is the spring when he needs to start changing that identity.    

  • [New York Daily News] The Matchups: Knicks, Celtics ready to rumble (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:50:21 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony will have plenty of chances to confront Kevin Garnett without having to chase him all the way to the Boston Celtics’ team bus. In fact, Anthony and the Knicks are in position to send Garnett on an early vacation and place the futures of Garnett, Paul Pierce and Doc Rivers into the great unknown.    

  • [New York Daily News] Melo searches for reversal of fortune (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:30:36 GMT)
    For all his worldly talent and postseason appearances, Carmelo Anthony has been mainly a playoff failure. There are always overriding circumstances, of course. It may have been a bad matchup, injuries to key teammates, losing to a better team. They all apply in Anthony’s case.    

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Amar'e guarantees winning Celtics series (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 01:56:56 EDT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire has no timetable for his playoff return from right knee debridement, which has prevented him from playing since early March. But even with the Knicks missing his newer low-post moves and improved weak-side defense for likely the entire first-round series against the Celtics, the power forward isn’t worried.
    In fact, he has a guarantee to make.
    “We’re going to win that first round for sure,” he said on Thursday night in New York City during a screening of his upcoming EPIX documentary, “Amar’e Stoudemire: In The Moment,” which premieres on April 19.

  • [New York Times] Brittney Griner Comes Out, and Sports World Shrugs (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 05:14:32 GMT)
    A revelation by Brittney Griner, the No. 1 pick in the W.N.B.A. draft, drew little notice, nothing close to the surge in attention expected to follow a male athlete’s coming out.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks’ Prigioni Is Expected to Miss Playoff Opener (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:24:38 GMT)
    Knicks guard Pablo Prigioni, a 35-year-old rookie, sprained his right ankle in Wednesday’s regular-season finale against the Hawks.    

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Only One Title Matters (and It’s Not Scoring) (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 03:33:18 GMT)
    Before Knicks fans get too excited about Carmelo Anthony’s first scoring title, note that the N.B.A.’s leading scorer has rarely played for the league champion.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: 76ers’ Doug Collins Resigns and Pistons’ Lawrence Frank and Cavaliers’ Byron Scott Are Out (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 03:05:22 GMT)
    Doug Collins resigned as coach of the Philadelphia 76ers; the Detroit Pistons fired Lawrence Frank; and the Cleveland Cavaliers fired Byron Scott.    

  • [New York Times] Brittney Griner Comes Out, and Sports World Shrugs (Fri, 19 Apr 2013 01:07:12 GMT)
    A revelation by Brittney Griner, the No. 1 pick in the W.N.B.A. draft, drew little notice, nothing close to the surge in attention expected to follow a male athlete’s coming out.    

  • 77 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Apr 19 2013)

    1. Robtachi

      All discussion of the Knick-Cs face-off has to be halted, one would think, until all this insanity in Boston is sorted out.

      Lived there for over 7 years. This is all very hard to process.

    2. RicanKnick

      I love K-mart’s attitude and I love having him on our team. He give us that enforcer mentality and toughness that we used to have in the 90’s. I hope Tyson plays with that edge too. The addition of Felton, Priggie Smalls, Kidd and K-mart, make this team a lot tougher than last year team. That IMHO is a big plus for us in this playoffs. We won’t get bullied by other teams. I think Melo needed that kind of protection to perform at a high level.

    3. Hubert Davis

      Robtachi:
      All discussion of the Knick-Cs face-off has to be halted, one would think, until all this insanity in Boston is sorted out.

      Lived there for over 7 years.This is all very hard to process.

      With all due respect, I think we’re going to talk about it here. A lot.

    4. Hubert Davis

      Topic for discussion:

      I need to find a good Knicks bar. It bugs me to no end that I don’t know of one. Anyone have any suggestions? I’m looking to go out Saturday afternoon for this and, well, I’m out of touch. I mean, it’s been so long since the Knicks made a run, my old go-to places are now from when I was a college student Fordham in 1999!

      So, anyone know of a great place to watch a Knicks game?

      Anyone ever been to Pork Slope? A buddy of mine told me about it. Has a sweet whiskey list and good bar food. Looks overcrowded on their website.

    5. johnlocke

      Yeh watching Skip talk about how the Celtics are going to win b/c Doc Rivers is a better coach is making my ears bleed. I guess Brooks is a better coach than Popovich, so dumb. Can’t wait for these guys to shut them up. Everyone keeps focusing on Carmelo, which is fine but we just have more people that can score than they do and they only have two elite defenders on that team — KG and Bradley. Everyone else is mediocre to below mediocre…JT? Give me a break!

      mr.JayP:
      The amount of stupid being displayed on ESPN should be borderline illegal.

    6. johnlocke

      I hear ya. I lived there for a couple years for grad school. Pretty crazy having a total city on lock down….looks like they may have the kid cornered right now on CNN! Having said that, we can talk about both, there is nothing else we can really do….

      Robtachi:
      All discussion of the Knick-Cs face-off has to be halted, one would think, until all this insanity in Boston is sorted out.

      Lived there for over 7 years.This is all very hard to process.

    7. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Hubert Davis:
      Topic for discussion:

      I need to find a good Knicks bar.It bugs me to no end that I don’t know of one.Anyone have any suggestions?I’m looking to go out Saturday afternoon for this and, well, I’m out of touch.I mean, it’s been so long since the Knicks made a run, my old go-to places are now from when I was a college student Fordham in 1999!

      So, anyone know of a great place to watch a Knicks game?

      Anyone ever been to Pork Slope?A buddy of mine told me about it.Has a sweet whiskey list and good bar food.Looks overcrowded on their website.

      Pork Slope is great for food and whiskey, the chef, Dale Talde, is a Top Chef alum and turning out great product…not an ideal place to watch a game though. If you’re in Park Slope, go to 200 Fifth to watch the game. Great sports bar. Rowdy crowd (maybe a little thugged out at times but infinitely entertaining). TVs everywhere…literally, EVERYWHERE…including in the booths. Yup. TVs in the damn booths.

      Beyond that, good Pro-Knicks crowd at Phoenix Park on the UES (67th btwn 2nd & 3rd) and at Arctica in Murray Hill.

    8. mr.JayP

      johnlocke:
      Yeh watching Skip talk about how the Celtics are going to win b/c Doc Rivers is a better coach is making my ears bleed. I guess Brooks is a better coach than Popovich, so dumb.Can’t wait for these guys to shut them up. Everyone keeps focusing on Carmelo, which is fine but we just have more people that can score than they do and they only have two elite defenders on that team — KG and Bradley. Everyone else is mediocre to below mediocre…JT? Give me a break!

      johnlocke:
      Yeh watching Skip talk about how the Celtics are going to win b/c Doc Rivers is a better coach is making my ears bleed. I guess Brooks is a better coach than Popovich, so dumb.Can’t wait for these guys to shut them up. Everyone keeps focusing on Carmelo, which is fine but we just have more people that can score than they do and they only have two elite defenders on that team — KG and Bradley. Everyone else is mediocre to below mediocre…JT? Give me a break!

      honestly, i dont even understand their reasoning nor are they backing it up with stats. Doc rivers is an amazing coach, we can all be unbiased and say he is better than Woody, thats fine. But is KG bradley, bass carry that team on both ends of the floor to win the series? imo its kinda crazy that they think this series will go to 7 let alone give it to the C’s.

    9. mr.JayP

      Keniman Shumpwalker: Pork Slope is great for food and whiskey, the chef, Dale Talde, is a Top Chef alum and turning out great product…not an ideal place to watch a game though. If you’re in Park Slope, go to 200 Fifth to watch the game. Great sports bar. Rowdy crowd (maybe a little thugged out at times but infinitely entertaining). TVs everywhere…literally, EVERYWHERE…including in the booths. Yup. TVs in the damn booths.

      Beyond that, good Pro-Knicks crowd at Phoenix Park on the UES (67th btwn 2nd & 3rd) and at Arctica in Murray Hill.

      They charge Cover during the playoff’s?

    10. Keniman Shumpwalker

      mr.JayP: They charge Cover during the playoff’s?

      That I’m not sure of but I doubt it. Def worth calling to find out though. I know they charge cover for the Super Bowl, I kinda doubt they would for the first round of the NBA playoffs.

    11. Keniman Shumpwalker

      mr.JayP: They charge Cover during the playoff’s?

      Oh, and I was talking about 200 Fifth. Phoenix Park and Arctica definitely do not charge cover.

    12. RicanKnick

      As usual, we get ZERO respect from the so called experts! But that doesn’t surprise nor bother me. They mention the fact that Boston has experienced players in KG and Pierce, but they aren’t willing to mention the fact that we also got tons of experience and proven players like Jason Kidd and Tyson Chandler…bothe winning a ‘chip two years ago. They don’t give Melo the respect he deserves. I guess he’ll have to earn it in this playoffs…and I hope he does.

    13. stratomatic

      My model is giving the Knicks an 80% chance of beating the Celtics in the series, but I have to admit I’m a bit upset by Prigs being out for game 1. I think his contribution per minute is very underrated. The Knicks are more vulnerable in game 1 than people think because of that, though they are still a solid favorite to win the game.

    14. ephus

      I’m sitting here in a Bill Russell t-shirt (gift from many years ago with Red and Me) in solidarity with our brothers and sisters in Boston. Some things are bigger than basketball.

      I’m putting all trash talk (and I was loaded for bear) until this situation is resolved.

      My thoughts are with all of the law enforcement officers in Boston, Watertown, Cambridge, etc. I hope they quickly and safely bring this to a conclusion.

    15. stratomatic

      I’m glad ESPN is talking up the Celtics. Maybe they can move the betting line a little and I’ll be able to increase my wager on the Knicks. All they have to do is get past game 1 and the series is OVER!

    16. Frank

      One thing that has been touched on here briefly that will be a huge factor in this series is how the refs ref Avery Bradley, and to a lesser extent, Shump. Bradley literally could be called for a foul every other possession because of the way he bumps the ballhandler. Shump does much the same thing but for whatever reason seems to get called for a lot more fouls. If Bradley gets in early foul trouble a lot, I think the Knicks win this series easily — there is no way anyone else on the C’s has a chance of slowing Felton’s penetration — and once Raymond gets in the lane, good things happen.

      My feeling is that given the bad blood between these teams, this series will be called tightly. That would benefit us greatly.

    17. mr.JayP

      Frank:
      One thing that has been touched on here briefly that will be a huge factor in this series is how the refs ref Avery Bradley, and to a lesser extent, Shump.Bradley literally could be called for a foul every other possession because of the way he bumps the ballhandler. Shump does much the same thing but for whatever reason seems to get called for a lot more fouls.If Bradley gets in early foul trouble a lot, I think the Knicks win this series easily — there is no way anyone else on the C’s has a chance of slowing Felton’s penetration — and once Raymond gets in the lane, good things happen.

      My feeling is that given the bad blood between these teams, this series will be called tightly. That would benefit us greatly.

      ONLY if melo keeps his emotions under wraps when the calls start going towards him. if he doesnt get his calls and starts the arguing, hand slapping, lackadaisical hustle to get on defense then it greatly hinders us.

    18. Robtachi

      Hubert Davis: With all due respect, I think we’re going to talk about it here.A lot.

      Well what I meant was more along the lines of there’s not going to be a series to speak of until the city of Boston is released from lockdown.

    19. stratomatic

      I wouldn’t worry so much about the refs unless Tim Donaghy is making a comeback. This is not like Boston/NY games/series of the recent past. Without Rondo, the Knicks are simply a MUCH better team with home court advantage (which is even more important in the playoffs than regular season) . The only way they lose this series is if JR and Melo go into perma stupid mode or there are major injuries.

    20. Hubert Davis

      johnlocke:
      Yeh watching Skip talk about how the Celtics are going to win b/c Doc Rivers is a better coach is making my ears bleed.

      Actually, the Rivers v Woodson matchup is the most frightening part of this series, for me. I think Doc is capable of exploiting Coach into doing things that negate our season long superiority.

      To wit, in the absence of Prigioni, Woodson is opting not to make the like-for-like switch and replace him with Kidd; instead he’s opting to insert Copeland into the lineup to match up with their big lineup.

      The Knicks, when we ran a 3 guard lineup, were significantly better than the Celtics. But no Knicks lineup with 3 bigs was better than the Celtics. So the very first act of the series, before it’s even started, is Woodson negating his advantage.

      Doc is going to work him like a mule.

    21. Hubert Davis

      keniman thanks for the info.

      is anyone on here down for a meetup somewhere? I’ve got some friends into watching but most of them haven’t been following the team like we do here. would love to meet up with some like-minded folks.

    22. stratomatic

      Hubert Davis: Actually, the Rivers v Woodson matchup is the most frightening part of this series, for me.I think Doc is capable of exploiting Coach into doing things that negate our season long superiority.

      To wit, in the absence of Prigioni, Woodson is opting not to make the like-for-like switch and replace him with Kidd; instead he’s opting to insert Copeland into the lineup to match up with their big lineup.

      The Knicks, when we ran a 3 guard lineup, were significantly better than the Celtics.But no Knicks lineup with 3 bigs was better than the Celtics.So the very first act of the series, before it’s even started, is Woodson negating his advantage.

      Doc is going to work him like a mule.

      I agree. IMO Prigs is a better player than Copeland to begin with. Copeland is the much better scorer, but IMO we don’t need a another volume scorer when Melo is in the lineup. We need what Prigs brings, which is solid play making, limited TOs relative to assists, and overal solid play for the position. The good news is that Prigs will probably only be out for one game.

    23. Hubert Davis

      The trick to Copeland was playing him as one of your 2 bigs. Playing him at the 3 is a mistake, IMO.

      It’s the fucking playoffs. You can’t leave your best lineup on the bench for the first 6-8 minutes of every half. A Melo-Chandler-Copeland-Felton-Shumpert starting lineup plays right into the hands of their big starting lineup.

    24. yellowboy90

      Frank:
      One thing that has been touched on here briefly that will be a huge factor in this series is how the refs ref Avery Bradley, and to a lesser extent, Shump.Bradley literally could be called for a foul every other possession because of the way he bumps the ballhandler. Shump does much the same thing but for whatever reason seems to get called for a lot more fouls.If Bradley gets in early foul trouble a lot, I think the Knicks win this series easily — there is no way anyone else on the C’s has a chance of slowing Felton’s penetration — and once Raymond gets in the lane, good things happen.

      My feeling is that given the bad blood between these teams, this series will be called tightly. That would benefit us greatly.

      I just hope its called evenly. How will the refs call Melo. Woody should pull a Phil and start talking about how Melo has been playing through not getting calls.

      Also, I really hope Prigs can go because I think his ball pressure is key. Celtics not picking up a true point is going to hurt them.

      I agree about Felton. His ability to drive will be big. He just needs to play under control. I do wonder who Bradley will guard once Smith comes in. Can they afford to take Bradley off of Ray?

      One last thing: Now that the playoffs here will the Knicks play the great D they display every other qtr and not relax? I want to see the D stay at a high level.

    25. yellowboy90

      Hubert Davis:
      The trick to Copeland was playing him as one of your 2 bigs.Playing him at the 3 is a mistake, IMO.

      It’s the fucking playoffs.You can’t leave your best lineup on the bench for the first 6-8 minutes of every half.A Melo-Chandler-Copeland-Felton-Shumpert starting lineup plays right into the hands of their big starting lineup.

      I don’t think it does. It keeps the floor spread and Cope has shown he is a good spot up player. I don’t want to see Kidd passing up open shots. I think Cope can bother Pierce on O. Or will Pierce play Shump?

      What would be the cross matches? Boston liked Bass on Melo but will they do that with Green starting?

    26. Count de Pennies

      Hubert Davis: Actually, the Rivers v Woodson matchup is the most frightening part of this series, for me. I think Doc is capable of exploiting Coach into doing things that negate our season long superiority.

      I’m confused.

      At what point, exactly, did Doc Rivers evolve into a master basketball tactician?

      I’m guessing it didn’t happen during the first five years of his career when he was presiding over lottery-level teams in Orlando.

      Nor was it likely to have occurred in his first three years in Boston during which his Celtics team won at a sparkling 41% clip.

      Near as I can tell, his genius did not come into full flower until the ’07-’08 season when he was able to help those newly arrived chronic losers, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, reach their first-ever NBA title.

      Aaah, what hope indeed does the thick-headed Woodson have when matching wits with Rivers and his first-rate basketball brain?

    27. Hubert Davis

      I think it allows Bradley to zero in on Felton, unless you want Shump handling the ball (if you do, it brings his decision making into play). So you’ve essentially volunteered to subject Felton to getting fouled and harassed for 6 straight minutes to start the game.

      It also gives Pierce an easy assignment (stay with Shumpert), as opposed to having to guard Kidd or Prigioni (or Felton).

    28. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Count de Pennies: I’m confused.

      At what point, exactly, did Doc Rivers evolve into a master basketball tactician?

      I’m guessing it didn’t happen during the first five years of his career when he was presiding over lottery-level teams in Orlando.

      Nor was it likely to have occurred in his first three years in Boston during which his Celtics team won at a sparkling 41% clip.

      Near as I can tell, his genius did not come into full flower until the ’07-’08 season when he was able to help those newly arrived chronic losers, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, reach their first-ever NBA title.

      Aaah, what hope indeed does the thick-headed Woodson have when matching wits with Rivers and his first-rate basketball brain?

      hahahahahaha

    29. d-mar

      I’m very nervous about Cope starting. We had a really nice groove going offensively with Prigs in there, and got off to good starts in almost every game during the streak. I’m concerned that our offense will become less fluid and more bogged down with another pure scorer in the starting lineup that can be guarded by

      Plus I’m gonna miss the usual Prigs steal of the inbounds pass, which is just a joy to behold.

    30. Hubert Davis

      Count de Pennies: I’m confused.

      At what point, exactly, did Doc Rivers evolve into a master basketball tactician?

      I’m guessing it didn’t happen during the first five years of his career when he was presiding over lottery-level teams in Orlando.

      Nor was it likely to have occurred in his first three years in Boston during which his Celtics team won at a sparkling 41% clip.

      Near as I can tell, his genius did not come into full flower until the ’07-’08 season when he was able to help those newly arrived chronic losers, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, reach their first-ever NBA title.

      Aaah, what hope indeed does the thick-headed Woodson have when matching wits with Rivers and his first-rate basketball brain?

      He has evolved into a top-level coach and is adept at making adjustments and exploiting mismatches. Citing his record when he was inexperienced doesn’t change that.

    31. Frank

      Count de Pennies: I’m confused.

      At what point, exactly, did Doc Rivers evolve into a master basketball tactician?

      I’m guessing it didn’t happen during the first five years of his career when he was presiding over lottery-level teams in Orlando.

      Nor was it likely to have occurred in his first three years in Boston during which his Celtics team won at a sparkling 41% clip.

      Near as I can tell, his genius did not come into full flower until the ’07-’08 season when he was able to help those newly arrived chronic losers, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, reach their first-ever NBA title.

      Aaah, what hope indeed does the thick-headed Woodson have when matching wits with Rivers and his first-rate basketball brain?

      LOL – one could say for sure that if refs actually called illegal screens on KG, the Celts’ playoff record the last 7 years would be much worse. But of course that’s part of the genius – they know refs will never call it so they just keep doing it. Like defensive 3 seconds. Like Bradley bumping the opposing guard every second.

    32. Hubert Davis

      It’s kind of like saying Chris Copeland sucks because he couldn’t make the league for 6 years and didn’t light it up in Belgium.

    33. Frank

      Hubert Davis: The trick to Copeland was playing him as one of your 2 bigs. Playing him at the 3 is a mistake, IMO.

      It’s the fucking playoffs. You can’t leave your best lineup on the bench for the first 6-8 minutes of every half. A Melo-Chandler-Copeland-Felton-Shumpert starting lineup plays right into the hands of their big starting lineup.

      Actually I don’t agree either. Obviously it’d be great to have Prigs in there, but I think you need Kidd with JR on the second team to calm things down when JR goes into SMH mode. And like yellowboy said, our offense is predicated on spacing — and playing Copeland means that on Tyson/Felton PNRs, there’ll be a 38% (Melo), 42% (Copeland), and 40% (Shumpert) 3 point shooter in the corners and on the weakside wing. All 3 can attack the closeout. I’m ok with this. I think defensively there may be an issue with Copeland, but there was always going to be a defensive issue with Pierce playing the 2. And with Shump/Melo/Cope/Tyson, we can switch on D to our heart’s content without a huge dropoff in defensive prowess.

    34. stratomatic

      The problem with Copeland is that he’s WAY below average at just about everything other than scoring (where he is well above average). So he’s very useful off the bench when Melo is resting now that we don’t have Amare to score, but he’s superfluous with Melo. This team has been built around Melo being a super high usage scorer and the rest of the team bringing other things to the table at above average rates. About the only case you can make for playing Copeland with Melo is that I’d rather have him as second scorer than JR Smith or Felton, but those guys are much better in other ways.

    35. Brian Cronin

      I’m not thrilled with the Cope move, either, but eh, it’s an injury. It is not like Woody is changing things because he wants to, there was an injury to one of his starters so he’s trying to make do. Can’t really knock him for going with Cope, even if it isn’t a great fit. It is not like Kidd would be a great fit either.

    36. johnlocke

      Copeland is I think the 2nd best 3 pt shooter on the team. When they double Melo, I’d rather have him in there on catch and shoots than Kidd. I think he’ll be OK. If he’s messing up, Woody will have no problem pulling him and putting in JR or Kidd

      stratomatic:
      The problem with Copeland is that he’s WAY below average at just about everything other than scoring (where he is well above average).So he’s very useful off the bench when Melo is resting now that we don’t have Amare to score, but he’s superfluous with Melo.This team has been built around Melo being a super high usage scorer and the rest of the team bringing other things to the table at above average rates.About the only case you can make for playing Copeland with Melo is that I’d rather have him as second scorer than JR Smith or Felton, but those guys are much better in other ways.

      stratomatic:
      The problem with Copeland is that he’s WAY below average at just about everything other than scoring (where he is well above average).So he’s very useful off the bench when Melo is resting now that we don’t have Amare to score, but he’s superfluous with Melo.This team has been built around Melo being a super high usage scorer and the rest of the team bringing other things to the table at above average rates.About the only case you can make for playing Copeland with Melo is that I’d rather have him as second scorer than JR Smith or Felton, but those guys are much better in other ways.

    37. Hubert Davis

      Frank: Actually I don’t agree either. Obviously it’d be great to have Prigs in there, but I think you need Kidd with JR on the second team to calm things down when JR goes into SMH mode. And like yellowboy said, our offense is predicated on spacing — and playing Copeland means that on Tyson/Felton PNRs, there’ll be a 38% (Melo), 42% (Copeland), and 40% (Shumpert) 3 point shooter in the corners and on the weakside wing. All 3 can attack the closeout.I’m ok with this. I think defensively there may be an issue with Copeland, but there was always going to be a defensive issue with Pierce playing the 2.And with Shump/Melo/Cope/Tyson, we can switch on D to our heart’s content without a huge dropoff in defensive prowess.

      IMO, this is one mistake compounding another. We don’t start one of our 5 best players, so we can’t start another one of our 5 best players because he’s needed to come off the bench with the other guy who comes off the bench, both of whom should be starting.

      How many other playoff teams are going to wait 6-8 minutes of every half until they unveil their best lineup? (That’s actually a good question…I’m sure we’re not the only team that does this…and Dallas won a title doing it this way…I just don’t get it.)

    38. stratomatic

      stratomatic:
      The problem with Copeland is that he’s WAY below average at just about everything other than scoring (where he is well above average).So he’s very useful off the bench when Melo is resting now that we don’t have Amare to score, but he’s superfluous with Melo.This team has been built around Melo being a super high usage scorer and the rest of the team bringing other things to the table at above average rates.About the only case you can make for playing Copeland with Melo is that I’d rather have him as second scorer than JR Smith or Felton, but those guys are much better in other ways.

      By the way, that’s why Melo has been so critical for the Knicks this year. The team is built with a bunch of non-scorers that defend well, rebound, etc.. and the scoring load is all dumped on him. When he’s rolling we are great. When he has a bad night, is hurting, or is out, we tend to suck. It’s tough to up the usage of the other players on this team enough to get the needed efficient scoring and still get enough of everything else. A healthy Amare would be a godsend in the event Melo went down.

    39. cgreene

      Woodson is now saying James White may start… and we have reverted all the way back to Feb when we sucked. Awesome. This Priogioni think is a nightmare.

    40. stratomatic

      Hubert Davis: IMO, this is one mistake compounding another.We don’t start one of our 5 best players, so we can’t start another one of our 5 best players because he’s needed to come off the bench with the other guy who comes off the bench, both of whom should be starting.

      How many other playoff teams are going to wait 6-8 minutes of every half until they unveil their best lineup?(That’s actually a good question…I’m sure we’re not the only team that does this…and Dallas won a title doing it this way…I just don’t get it.)

      IMO, it’s really about being balanced on offensive, defense, playmaking, rebounding etc…

      Sometimes a few of your 5 best players overlap in some specific skill set and you get added value by putting one of them on the bench where there is a shortage of that skill set. Perhaps the 6th or 7th best guy adds more value when combined with the starters.

      In this case IMO Prigs brings more to the starters, but what can we do if he’s hurt.

      I don’t trust JR as far as I can spit. I watched a lot of Nugget basketball in my day. This is NOT a new and improved JR. This is the same old JR. He’s just going through the upside of his two extremes in behavior and value. His value and play is like a manic/depressive’s mood. I’d rather see him Kidd too even though I see your point.

    41. stratomatic

      johnlocke:
      Copeland is I think the 2nd best 3 pt shooter on the team. When they double Melo, I’d rather have him in there on catch and shoots than Kidd. I think he’ll be OK. If he’s messing up, Woody will have no problem pulling him and putting in JR or Kidd

      He’ll be terrific if your only goal is to score points.

    42. johnlocke

      I think it’s smart. Boston’s bench sucks. We should actually be able to extend the lead or at minimum hold one, when our starters are out of the game. JR will probably get in the game at the 8-9 minute mark or sooner if one of the starters is messing up. The only other alternative is starting Kidd, which a) leaves us with no back-up PG, and b) gives Boston someone to double-off of at the three point line when guarding Melo. Only concern is how Cope reacts to the bright lights…we’ll see

      Hubert Davis: IMO, this is one mistake compounding another.We don’t start one of our 5 best players, so we can’t start another one of our 5 best players because he’s needed to come off the bench with the other guy who comes off the bench, both of whom should be starting.

      How many other playoff teams are going to wait 6-8 minutes of every half until they unveil their best lineup?(That’s actually a good question…I’m sure we’re not the only team that does this…and Dallas won a title doing it this way…I just don’t get it.)

    43. Hubert Davis

      cgreene:
      Woodson is now saying James White may start… and we have reverted all the way back to Feb when we sucked.Awesome.This Priogioni think is a nightmare.

      I mean, this is a joke, right?

      This is you making a joke? Mike Woodson didn’t speak those words, right?

    44. Hubert Davis

      johnlocke:
      Boston’s bench sucks.

      I don’t think their bench is going to play much. He’s going to play his top 6 about 95% of the minutes, I’d guess. With 4 games in two weeks, why not?

    45. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Hubert Davis: I don’t think their bench is going to play much.He’s going to play his top 6 about 95% of the minutes, I’d guess.With 4 games in two weeks, why not?

      Flight starting a playoff game would be an absolute travesty. RE: the Cope thing tho…I hear you with the whole just start your best five argument, but Woody is not going to do that so it’s moot. However, given the choice between Cope and Kidd starting, while it’s certainly not ideal, I do think that Cope spreading the floor for Melo post-ups and Ray/Tyson PNRs could create for some free flowing offense right out of the gate. He couldn’t guard a cardboard cutout of Pierce/Green but it’s not like Kidd would be some huge + defensively either so it’s kind of a wash there.

    46. Keniman Shumpwalker

      woops. I quoted the wrong quote. Whatever. I’m sure you get what I’m responding to.

    47. johnlocke

      Twitter saying he’s debating Copeland or James White. For the love of all that is good…White shouldn’t even be getting minutes much less starting…so retarded.

      Hubert Davis: I mean, this is a joke, right?

      This is you making a joke?Mike Woodson didn’t speak those words, right?

    48. stratomatic

      Keniman Shumpwalker: Flight starting a playoff game would be an absolute travesty. RE: the Cope thing tho…I hear you with the whole just start your best five argument, but Woody is not going to do that so it’s moot. However, given the choice between Cope and Kidd starting, while it’s certainly not ideal, I do think that Cope spreading the floor for Melo post-ups and Ray/Tyson PNRs could create for some free flowing offense right out of the gate. He couldn’t guard a cardboard cutout of Pierce/Green but it’s not like Kidd would be some huge + defensively either so it’s kind of a wash there.

      Kidd rebounds and make plays. Heck even prigs probably out rebounds Copeland. lmao Copeland is 100% USELESS other than putting points on the board. IMO he’s an EV- player overall.

    49. ruruland

      stratomatic: IMO, it’s really about being balanced on offensive, defense, playmaking, rebounding etc…

      Sometimes a few of your 5 best players overlap in some specific skill set and you get added value by putting one of them

      I don’t trust JR as far as I can spit. I watched a lot of Nugget basketball in my day.This is NOT a new and improved JR. This is the same old JR. He’s just going through the upside of his two extremes in behavior and value.His value and play is like a manic/depressive’s mood. I’d rather see him Kidd too even though I see your point.

      It’s one thing not to trust J.R. or to believe he’ll “revert” but this idea that he hasn’t changed in just about every way and played like he never has is just…… stop.

      Remember last time we discussed your model and why little of what you said made sense or was even accurate?

    50. thenamestsam

      Hubert Davis:

      How many other playoff teams are going to wait 6-8 minutes of every half until they unveil their best lineup?(That’s actually a good question…I’m sure we’re not the only team that does this…and Dallas won a title doing it this way…I just don’t get it.)

      I don’t love the idea either, but it’s pretty standard NBA tactics at this point. Going through true contenders:

      Miami – clearly doesn’t start their best 5. Finishing lineup includes both Allen and Battier (Battier may move to the starting lineup in the playoffs like he did last year).

      OKC – It’s clear that the starters aren’t there best lineup which is either small ball or the Ibaka-Collinson combo depending on the matchup, but I’m not sure that Brooks actually knows this because he has a serious Perkins fetish. This one may not be 100% intentional.

      San Antonio – Not really sure who their best 5 is because they’re so rarely fully healthy, but you can be sure Ginobili won’t start but will finish.

      Nuggets -They seem to mix it up more based on matchups, but generally Andre Miller closes games with Lawson in the backcourt and he has been a very infrequent starter this year.

      Clippers – DeAndre starts but they almost always finish with the Griffin-Odom combo up front, and Crawford is one of their most important crunch time players. Barnes also sometimes takes Butler’s spot.

      The Pacers and the Grizz don’t really do this although you might argue that their weak benches are the reason they don’t really belong in the conversation as true contenders. So I’d say the solid majority of contenders start with a different group than they close tight games with. We’re not really unique in that regard.

    51. stratomatic

      ruruland: It’s one thing not to trust J.R. or to believe he’ll “revert” but this idea that he hasn’t changed in just about every way and played like he never has is just…… stop.

      Remember last time we discussed your model and why little of what you said made sense or was even accurate?

      Everything I say is accurate.

      You are entitled to not agree with my model, but I use it successfully to gamble on the games so I suspect it’s a lot more accurate than you think or the mainstream ideas you use.

      I watched tons of Denver games when he was there.

      This is NOT the first stretch of outstanding shooting, professional behavior, or attacking the basket he’s had. His history is that he doesn’t sustain it for very long. If you want to argue he has matured or that Woodson has gotten through to him in a way that Karl couldn’t, that’s at least theoretically possible. We won’t find out until he’s put under extreme playoff duress to see whether he spontaneously combusts or continues in this manner. I know I don’t trust him because I don’t think his former problems stem from a lack of maturity. I think he’s got emotional and intellectual problems.

    52. stratomatic

      BigBlueAL:
      I say start QRich.

      That’s a joke right?

      I can’t even believe QBrick is back on this team. When was the last time he was actually an EV+ player? 2004-2005?

    53. BigBlueAL

      stratomatic: That’s a joke right?

      I can’t even believe QBrick is back on this team. When was the last time he was actually an EV+ player?2004-2005?

      He was actually pretty good in his 1 season with the Heat in 2009-10.

      And yes I was joking.

    54. JK47

      Turnovers and rebounding are going to be the Knicks’ keys to this series. These are two areas in which the Celtics are weak. Here are some encouraging numbers:

      Offensive TOV%
      Knicks 1st
      Celtics 23rd

      Defensive TOV%
      Knicks 4th
      Celtics 11th

      Offensive Rebound Pct
      Knicks 19th
      Celtics 30th

      Defensive Rebound Pct
      Knicks 4th
      Celtics 20th

      Knicks should have a big advantage in possessions if these numbers hold to form, so the Celtics will either need to hold the Knicks to a really freakishly low eFG% or go on an unexpected hot streak on offense.

    55. BigBlueAL

      JK47:
      Turnovers and rebounding are going to be the Knicks’ keys to this series.These are two areas in which the Celtics are weak.Here are some encouraging numbers:

      Offensive TOV%
      Knicks 1st
      Celtics 23rd

      Defensive TOV%
      Knicks 4th
      Celtics 11th

      Offensive Rebound Pct
      Knicks 19th
      Celtics 30th

      Defensive Rebound Pct
      Knicks 4th
      Celtics 20th

      Knicks should have a big advantage in possessions if these numbers hold to form, so the Celtics will either need to hold the Knicks to a really freakishly low eFG% or go on an unexpected hot streak on offense.

      Almost every stat/number you look at when previewing this series points to a pretty serious mismatch in the Knicks favor.

    56. thenamestsam

      The practice of starting somebody who isn’t one of your top 5 players is commonplace. Starting a guy who otherwise is 100% guaranteed to get a DNP-CD barring a 20+ point blowout is something completely different. Why he would be considering starting White is a complete mystery to me.

    57. stratomatic

      BigBlueAL: Almost every stat/number you look at when previewing this series points to a pretty serious mismatch in the Knicks favor.

      On my stats, the Knicks should be a huge favorite. At least 80%.

      The only case I can make for the Celtics is that the Knicks are VERY dependent on Melo and JR for scoring and both are pretty volatile. Either could have a bad series or get locked down. The Knicks go as the efficiency of those guys goes.

      You could also argue that the Celts weaker bench is less of an issue because there are no back to back games, 3 of 4 etc… So they can play the starters more minutes.

      But on the face of it, IMO this is no contest. The Knicks just need to get game 1 with Prigs out and it’s over.

    58. johnlocke

      He’s concerned about the Jeff Green match up. Chandler guards Garnett, Melo guards Bass, Shump guards Pierce, Felton guards Bradley… he thinks James White can guard Jeff Green more effectively than Copeland can.

      I mean I would rather him just have Melo guard Pierce / Green; Shump guard Pierce / Green and Copeland guard Bass…

      thenamestsam:
      The practice of starting somebody who isn’t one of your top 5 players is commonplace. Starting a guy who otherwise is 100% guaranteed to get a DNP-CD barring a 20+ point blowout is something completely different. Why he would be considering starting White is a complete mystery to me.

    59. thenamestsam

      The stats definitely don’t present much hope for the Celtics. If you’re making the case for the Celtics it really boils down to the argument that the team you expect to see in the next two weeks is not anywhere in those numbers. And it’s not a completely absurd argument to my eyes. Their starting lineup for this series has played 38 minutes together all season. That’s it. And they’re a veteran team that has a reputation for coasting in regular seasons and stepping it up come playoff time (and yes I realize Ray and Rondo aren’t there, I’m just talking about the perception). So basically people picking the Celtics are saying that it’s going to be different players playing at a different intensity level so those season stats aren’t really informative.

      I expect the Knicks to win but I also expect it to be significantly tougher than those aggregate numbers would suggest. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we take them out in fewer 6. Also just found out that a friend has tickets so I’ll be in the house tomorrow. Super fired up.

    60. thenamestsam

      johnlocke:
      He’s concerned about the Jeff Green match up. Chandler guards Garnett, Melo guards Bass, Shump guards Pierce, Felton guards Bradley… he thinks James White can guard Jeff Green more effectively than Copeland can.

      I mean I would rather him just have Melo guard Pierce / Green; Shump guard Pierce / Green and Copeland guard Bass…

      Right, I mean I understand that justification, but it seems like some super thin logic if we spell the whole thing out. Basically:

      “We don’t want to start either JR or Kidd even though they both fit naturally in that spot because we don’t want to break up the bench unit. And we don’t want to start Copeland or Novak because then we’d have to mix up the defensive assignments and risk Melo getting in foul trouble.”

      I mean it is a reason, but it’s the kind of convoluted reason that ends up with you starting James White when he’s somewhere around the 5th best choice.

    61. BigBlueAL

      Look Im not expecting a 4 game sweep full of blowouts. I also dont give a crap if the Knicks struggle to win the series in 7 games. As long as they advance I will be thrilled regardless of how easy/difficult this series is.

      But again looking at this series objectively I really see no reason to predict anything other than a Knicks win in 5 games.

    62. stratomatic

      cgreene:
      Stratomatic, I assume you are rolling heavy on the Knicks then?

      I placed a bet last night at a somewhat better price than is available now. The line moved overnight. But yes, my money is where my mouth is. If they lose, it will be an emotional and financial loss.

    63. The Firebird

      James White shouldn’t even sniff any playing time outside of mop-up duty for these entire playoffs, period.

    64. WeirdJohn

      The Firebird:
      James White shouldn’t even sniff any playing time outside of mop-up duty for these entire playoffs, period.

      Maybe we aren’t giving Woody enough credit. Maybe he is just hiding his hand. Make Doc think “What a moron. Starting White? We got this.” Then we he starts Cope or Kidd or Prigioni is back it will throw Doc off his game.

      I mean why should Woody come out and say what his game plan is? No reason to help Doc with his job.

    65. yellowboy90

      thenamestsam: Right, I mean I understand that justification, but it seems like some super thin logic if we spell the whole thing out. Basically:

      “We don’t want to start either JR or Kidd even though they both fit naturally in that spot because we don’t want to break up the bench unit. And we don’t want to start Copeland or Novak because then we’d have to mix up the defensive assignments and risk Melo getting in foul trouble.”

      I mean it is a reason, but it’s the kind of convoluted reason that ends up with you starting James White when he’s somewhere around the 5th best choice.

      I actually like Melo on Green. I think he plays him the best because he crowds his space. However, I see Woody’s point because that could get him in foul trouble.

      If I was Woody I would start the game in a zone. Seriously, I think that would mess them up because they do not have anyone to really penetrate and it takes away them trying to get Felton switched on Paul. Also, I really liked Woody’s zone D. There was really only 1or 2 series all year I can think of when it wasn’t effective.

    66. ruruland

      stratomatic: Everything I say is accurate.

      You are entitled to not agree with my model, but I use it successfully to gamble on the games so I suspect it’s a lot more accurate than you think or the mainstream ideas you use.

      I watched tons of Denver games when he was there.

      This is NOT the first stretch of outstanding shooting,professional behavior, or attacking the basket he’s had.His history is that he doesn’t sustain it for very long.If you want to argue he has matured or that Woodson has gotten through to him in a way that Karl couldn’t, that’s at least theoretically possible.We won’t find out until he’s put under extreme playoff duress to see whether he spontaneously combusts or continues in this manner.I know I don’t trust him because I don’t think his former problems stem from a lack of maturity. I think he’s got emotional and intellectual problems.

      How long have you been on this board? You honestly think you’ve followed JR’s career more closely than I?

      He’s not had any stretch like this in his career: not with usage and total production, paint attempts or free throws.

      He’s never had anything close to this for a month+.

      Has he had great shooting stretches? Of course, some much better than what he’s doing now.

      Has he had great playoff stretches too?
      Yes.

      But I really don’t know what to tell you if you think JR is stil as immature, volatile are mercurial as he was at any point in Denver, other than you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      Again, you keep referencing your models. Last time we did this none of your numbers were accurate, some not even close.

    67. BigBlueAL

      Cope named East Rookie of the Month for April, Melo East Player of the Month for April.

    68. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      ruruland: How long have you been on this board? You honestly think you’ve followed JR’s career more closely than I?

      He’s not had any stretch like this in his career: not with usage and total production, paint attempts or free throws.

      He’s never had anything close to this for a month+.

      Has he had great shooting stretches? Of course, some much better than what he’s doing now.

      Has he had great playoff stretches too?
      Yes.

      But I really don’t know what to tell you if you think JR is stil as immature, volatile are mercurial as he was at any point in Denver, other than you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      Again, you keep referencing your models. Last time we did this none of your numbers were accurate, some not even close.

      I really can’t wait until Melo is traded or signs elsewhere so we don’t have to listen to your self-obsessed drivel. Your expertise reigns over all.

      Bring back the days of Isiah, please…

    69. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      P.S. Here are J. R. Smith’s stats from March and April of ’08-’09:

      1.40 PPS over 314 FGA in 23 games, about 2.1 TO/36

      Nah, he’s never had a streak like this. You’re right.

    70. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: I really can’t wait until Melo is traded or signs elsewhere so we don’t have to listen to your self-obsessed drivel. Your expertise reigns over all.

      Bring back the days of Isiah, please…

      Should I re-post my last post so that you’ll read it?

      Or is there a way I can re-phrase my last post so that you’ll understand it?

      Let’s try it this way:
      JR has had great shooting stretches before. I’ve listed and talked about that ’08 stretch last year before the Knicks signed him.

      He’s had others that were almost as impressive.

      But what is the difference, Jowles, between those stretches and this most recent one?

      Chris Herring has documented it, others on this board, basically every Knicks beat reporter has parroted some of Herring’s numbers,it’s been all over Twitter:This is by far the best stretch of Smith’s career when it comes to volume of shots in the paint, free throw attempts and ratio, and raw scoring output.

      He’s having a similar stretch to his previous hot streaks vis-a-vis efficiency and per minute scoring, but he’s doing it completely differently.

      You would seriously have to avoid all things Knicks not to come across some variation of that sentiment, even in passing.

      So, again, we have a poster who says that is not true. He tells us that he’s watched JR Smith while he was in Denver, and that no, this stretch of play is totally unremarkable.

      I tried at first to tell him/her, no, you don’t know what you’re talking about, stop.

      He responded, even more self-assuredly.

      What am I supposed to do at that point?

      Also, I bother you so much that you wish to change your faux-fandom?

      Excellent.

      That accomplishes the first goal and further proves my point that you’re not actually a fan of the Knicks.

    71. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I’d rather see that little weasel on the sidelines than have to read the posts of a guy who would happily carry out Carmelo’s colonoscopy were he asked to.

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