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Knicks Morning News (Friday, Apr 05 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] As ’73 Knicks roll in, feels like old times (Fri, 05 Apr 2013 05:11:05 GMT)
    Willis Reed was the unquestioned heart and soul of the Knicks’ two championship teams, and the backcourt combination of Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe were as talented as they were cool. Bill Bradley was Princeton-educated while Dick Barnett earned his Ph.D. after his playing days ended.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Danilo Gallinari Injured in Nuggets’ Win Over Mavericks (Fri, 05 Apr 2013 04:52:17 GMT)
    Corey Brewer scored 23 points and the Nuggets earned their 19th straight home win over the Dallas Mavericks. But Denver may have lost Danilo Gallinari with an injury.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Top Spurs 100-88 in Key West Showdown (Fri, 05 Apr 2013 04:24:55 GMT)
    Russell Westbrook scored 27 points, Kevin Durant had 25 and the Oklahoma City Thunder seized control of the race for home-court advantage in the Western Conference playoffs by beating the San Antonio Spurs 100-88 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Lose Gallinari but Beat Mavs 95-94 (Fri, 05 Apr 2013 03:55:55 GMT)
    Corey Brewer scored 23 points and got a hand on Anthony Morrow’s last-second shot to preserve the Denver Nuggets’ 19th straight home win, 95-94 over the Dallas Mavericks on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Bulls 92, Nets 90: Nets Edged by Bulls in Brooklyn (Fri, 05 Apr 2013 03:53:25 GMT)
    Carlos Boozer had 29 points and 18 rebounds to lead the Bulls to victory, spoiling big scoring efforts from Brook Lopez and Deron Williams, who combined for 58 points.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Rally From 16 Down to Beat Nets 92-90 (Fri, 05 Apr 2013 02:28:11 GMT)
    Carlos Boozer had 29 points and 18 rebounds, Nate Robinson made the go-ahead basket with 22 seconds left, and the Chicago Bulls overcame a 16-point deficit to beat the Brooklyn Nets 92-90 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Thieves Steal From Home of Chris Bosh (Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:45:01 GMT)
    While the Miami Heat star Chris Bosh was celebrating his birthday, the police said thieves made off with about $340,000 in jewelry and cash from his home.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Why Sixers Went From the Playoffs to a Losing Year (Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:23:36 GMT)
    The acquisition of Andrew Bynum and the development of Evan Turner have been key issues for Philadelphia, which is nearing playoff elimination this season.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Wall Leads Wizards’ Resurgence (Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:18:13 GMT)
    They are unlikely to make the playoffs this season, but John Wall has transformed the Wizards.

  • [New York Times] At Garden, Phil Jackson and Knicks Will Party Like It’s 1973 (Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:10:21 GMT)
    The members of the Knicks’ 1973 N.B.A. championship team will be honored at Madison Square Garden on Friday night.

  • 60 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Apr 05 2013)

    1. Hubert Davis

      BigBlueAL: Why are so many people here still so scared of the Celtics??I want to play them because kicking their ass and eliminating them in 5 games will be sweet as hell.

      Once LeBron showed us that he’s winning the title this year and that’s that, I adjusted what my best case scenario for this season would be.

      Short of winning a title, beating those Celtic bastards in the first round and possibly even sending KG into retirement is the sweetest possible outcome of this season.

      Of course, Rivers is resting his whole team right now and Woodson is playing injured big men and burning everyone out, so there is that to worry about.

    2. mcliff05

      Hubert Davis: Once LeBron showed us that he’s winning the title this year and that’s that, I adjusted what my best case scenario for this season would be. Short of winning a title, beating those Celtic bastards in the first round and possibly even sending KG into retirement is the sweetest possible outcome of this season. Of course, Rivers is resting his whole team right now and Woodson is playing injured big men and burning everyone out, so there is that to worry about.

      It would be amazing to have a rivalry tour in the playoffs. Boston, Indiana and then the Heat. Man that would be sweet. And although I would put our chances of beating Indiana at 50/50 and a the Heat matchup at 25/75, if we’re shooting well, healthly and Melo has his cape on, we can beat anyone.

      However, given our recent history and the innate pressure of getting out of the first round for the first time since Atari, I will be sweating it out during a first round matchup with Beantown and Mr. Pierce.

    3. Hubert Davis

      By the way, don’t count out the Celtics for the 6 seed just yet.

      That Hawks team looked utterly disinterested to me. 3-3 is a reasonable expectation for this schedule:

      Philadelphia
      at San Antonio
      at Philadelphia
      Milwaukee
      Toronto
      at NY Knicks

      That would leave them with 45 wins. The Celtics are currently at 39 wins, have the tiebreaker, and have a relatively easy run coming up:

      Cleveland
      Washington
      Brooklyn
      at Miami
      at Orlando

      Let’s say they go 4-1 there. They end the season with back-to-back games:

      vs Indiana
      at Toronto

      They’d have to win both to get the 6 seed. They’ll probably tank em because deep down I think they think they can take us.

    4. KnickfaninNJ

      Hubert,

      I think Boston will have a tough time with Washington, and more so with Brooklyn and Miami. A record of 4-1 in the five games you mention really seems to be stretching it.

      regards,

      Mark

    5. flossy

      Brian Cronin: It is nuts to look at their bodies. Raymond Felton looks like he is in better shape than any of those guys.

      You mean “bigger” shape, right? It’s true, though, they look like a buncha Steve Novaks.

    6. Frank

      I know it’s fun to make fun of Felton, but he looks like he’s in better shape now than even the beginning of the season. His face looks noticeably smaller — and his defense/penetration has been MUCH better lately too.

    7. KnickedUp

      I think BOS def thinks they can beat us…which will make it that much sweeter. However its still up for grabs who will get the 7 seed because WE ARE GETTING THE 2 SEED. Let’s just hope we are healthy enough to do something with it

    8. jon abbey

      I think with Martin (probably out tonight) and Chandler and Camby all being question marks, we will end up at #3 and play Chicago or Atlanta. it would be just NY’s luck to have Rose come back for that series and average 42 points in a six game win, just saying.

    9. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Brian Cronin: It is nuts to look at their bodies. Raymond Felton looks like he is in better shape than any of those guys.

      If by “shape” you mean “round” then yes, Duckfat Felton is in way better “shape” than any of those guys.

    10. JK47

      I don’t expect the Celtics to start magically playing a lot better once the playoffs start. They struggle mightily to score, they’re 3-7 over their last 10 games, their pythag record is sub-.500 and they rely pretty heavily on a cast of very pedestrian players.

      They’re also terrible on the road– they are 13-25 on the road, so they win about a third of their road games.

    11. DS

      Rhode Scholar

      jon abbey:
      I think with Martin (probably out tonight) and Chandler and Camby all being question marks, we will end up at #3 and play Chicago or Atlanta. it would be just NY’s luck to have Rose come back for that series and average 42 points in a six game win, just saying.

      My guess is that Rose is not ready to go directly at Chandler or K-Mart en route to the basket. I hope that makes you feel better.

    12. DS

      Keniman Shumpwalker: If by “shape” you mean “round” then yes, Duckfat Felton is in way better “shape” than any of those guys.

      Felton looks cut lately! I almost wonder if he’s doping.

    13. thenamestsam

      JK47:
      I don’t expect the Celtics to start magically playing a lot better once the playoffs start.

      I felt the same way, especially without Rondo, but the game that rekindled my fear of them was the game where Miami came back against them to keep the streak alive. Yes, they ended up losing, but they gave Miami all they could handle even without KG. Don’t know if other people saw the game, but Boston played with so much intensity in the first half, the crowd was amazing, it was just a really inspired performance. They’re an incredibly proud team and when they feel like someone is challenging that they’ve always stepped up in a big way.

      Their talent level isn’t on the same level as the Knicks, but they’ll expect to win the series anyway, they’re extremely mentally tough, great home crowds. If KG is healthy I’d still expect us to win but I’d be pretty surprised if they didn’t make it a long and painful series.

    14. lavor postell

      I am hoping we get Boston in the first round. Either New York or Indiana is going to get a chance to pound the Celtics and I really hope it’s us. I’d certainly rather face them than Chicago.

    15. Keniman Shumpwalker

      DS: Felton looks cut lately!I almost wonder if he’s doping.

      He has actually looked alright and I do like poking fun at him just because his general roundness make it so easy. Also, RayRay’s version of doping would be drinking liquefied Krispy Kremes out of a 5 Hour Energy-style bottle before every game (and probably at the half too).

    16. lavor postell

      http://hoopchalk.com/2013/04/04/melos-scoring-binges-showcase-versatility/

      Really good piece on the Knicks’ sets yesterday taking advantage of Miami’s defensive rotations.

      Also this about Shumpert for any doubters remaining on the viability of his improved stroke:

      “The second-year guard/forward generally isn’t considered much of a three-point threat, but he’s shooting 42.4% from deep this season (after opening his career shooting 26.5% on threes in his first 29 games, during which he mostly played point guard, he’s at 39.3% in his last 67 games since his move to a more natural off the ball spot) on a healthy 4.6 attempts per 36 minutes, and his percentage is unsurprisingly even better from the corners.”

    17. jon abbey

      DS:
      Rhode Scholar

      My guess is that Rose is not ready to go directly at Chandler or K-Mart en route to the basket.I hope that makes you feel better.

      why would your guess based on absolutely nothing make me feel better? obviously that’s the safe bet, but I’m just saying that with the Knicks’ luck, he will come back better than ever immediately.

    18. PC

      Clips are not looking good. For the amount of talent on that roster, I think its time critics turn their heads to Chris Paul. Guys like Melo get bashed all the time for not winning the big one, but Paul always leaves those conversations unscathed (Deron Williams comes to mind too).

      He hasn’t won anything in the NBA and nobody can say now he doesn’t have talent around him.

    19. lavor postell

      PC:
      Clips are not looking good.For the amount of talent on that roster, I think its time critics turn their heads to Chris Paul.Guys like Melo get bashed all the time for not winning the big one, but Paul always leaves those conversations unscathed (Deron Williams comes to mind too).

      He hasn’t won anything in the NBA and nobody can say now he doesn’t have talent around him.

      Paul is a media darling. People talk about a Melo-centric offense and how it becomes bogged down. I’d argue that there is such a thing as a Paul-centric offense and that it can actually be more harmful, because he is the point guard. How much time on an average possession does Paul spend dribbling and probing the defense before giving it up?

      That’s fine and dandy in the regular season, but come playoff time, teams can focus and gameplan to a far greater degree than they can in the regular season. Iso-Paul every possession down the stretch in a playoff game is not ideal as the Spurs exposed in the playoffs last season.

      And I don’t think this is just all part of del Negro’s plan offensively of just letting the players do whatever they want. Every coach in the NBA has a “system” and specific sets with planned movement, automatic reads, etc. I have to believe that to a degree he has to isolate so often because their two best shot creators, Paul and Crawford, are strongest in isolation.

    20. Zanzibar

      lavor postell:

      Also this about Shumpert for any doubters remaining on the viability of his improved stroke:

      “The second-year guard/forward generally isn’t considered much of a three-point threat, but he’s shooting 42.4% from deep this season (after opening his career shooting 26.5% on threes in his first 29 games, during which he mostly played point guard, he’s at 39.3% in his last 67 games since his move to a more natural off the ball spot) on a healthy 4.6 attempts per 36 minutes, and his percentage is unsurprisingly even better from the corners.”

      Shump seems wildly unpredictable at this stage. His 3FG% for his last college season was 28%, 30% as NBA rookie and now stands at 42%. Has there ever been a 33%+ improvement (rookie-to-2nd year 3FG%) in the history of the league? Gotta be rare. On the flip side, he really hasn’t shown much attacking the rim though here is what the draft report said: “Excellent slasher … Defenders practically bounce off him when he drives in the paint … Able to finish in spectacular fashion at the rim, displaying fantastic hang-time and body-control.” One thing from the draft report which has sort of been borne out is: “Lacks stability/discipline on the court … Inconsistent ….his poor basketball IQ will certainly hurt his effectiveness”. In addition to simple lack of experience, part of that may be attributed to his being played out-of-position much of the time and his injury. But coaching can make a real difference here; D’Antoni would have been terrible for a player like Shump. Immediate feedback, video tape review, a coherent team philosophy will help him develop better habits (e.g., SportsVU “ghost” technology). Perhaps some of Amare’s problems on defense might have been mitigated by more focused coaching early in his career.

    21. DS

      jon abbey: why would your guess based on absolutely nothing make me feel better? obviously that’s the safe bet, but I’m just saying that with the Knicks’ luck, he will come back better than ever immediately.

      So if I understand you correctly, I’m basing my logic on the fact that people don’t come back immediately from from ACL injuries with the ability to score in the paint over a Tyson Chandler, you’re basing your logic on the “the Knicks’ luck” and my guess is based on “absolutely nothing.” :)

    22. Frank O.

      Brian Cronin:
      Hey, I’m saying he looks like he is in better shape than anyone on the 1973 Knicks!

      Remember, that is after a full season and playoffs behind them. Some NBA players, even today, struggle to keep weight on given how grueling the season can be. These guys lacked the advanced methods of today and few ever had to lift weights. For their day, they were elite athletes. Look at NFL teams today v. 30 years ago, and the differences are astounding. Men are bigger, faster, far more powerful today in part due to new methods of training…better nutrition and in some cases, pharma assistance.

    23. jon abbey

      Zanzibar: Shump seems wildly unpredictable at this stage. His 3FG% for his last college season was 28%, 30% as NBA rookie and now stands at 42%. Has there ever been a 33%+ improvement (rookie-to-2nd year 3FG%) in the history of the league? Gotta be rare.

      actually he’s been at 40% since being switched away from PG in the middle of last season, as someone said last thread.

    24. jon abbey

      DS: So if I understand you correctly, I’m basing my logic on the fact that people don’t come back immediately from from ACL injuries with the ability to score in the paint over a Tyson Chandler, you’re basing your logic on the “the Knicks’ luck” and my guess is based on “absolutely nothing.” :)

      my original point was half-joking, but I am happy to keep going. first of all, Tyson Chandler has not really been “Tyson Chandler” all year, maybe now we finally know why. guards have been driving in for layups past him as if he was invisible all year, so even a less than hundred percent Rose is certainly capable of that.

      but more importantly, Rose is obviously taking his time so that he can come back at close to a hundred percent, whether that be this year or next. if he wanted to work his way into game shape during actual games, he would have been back a month or two ago.

    25. Frank O.

      I would still have inked Chris Paul to a long term deal before inking Melo.
      Just saying, a great point guard trumps a great PF or SF any day of the week. Maybe my logic is flawed, but Paul is a once in a generation kind of talent, IMHO.

    26. er

      Frank O.:
      I would still have inked Chris Paul to a long term deal before inking Melo.
      Just saying, a great point guard trumps a great PF or SF any day of the week. Maybe my logic is flawed, but Paul is a once in a generation kind of talent, IMHO.

      So is Melo

    27. Frank O.

      jon abbey: my original point was half-joking, but I am happy to keep going. first of all, Tyson Chandler has not really been “Tyson Chandler” all year, maybe now we finally know why. guards have been driving in for layups past him as if he was invisible all year, so even a less than hundred percent Rose is certainly capable of that.

      but more importantly, Rose is obviously taking his time so that he can come back at close to a hundred percent, whether that be this year or next. if he wanted to work his way into game shape during actual games, he would have been back a month or two ago.

      And Rose is a franchise-type player, whereas Shump, with all his strengths, is not. You’re willing to take fewer risks with Rose’s return based on that investment.
      There was a time earlier this season when the Knicks had a 2 guard (Brewer) playing well enough to cause some, not many, but some to question whether Shump might lose his starting position. Others have argued for trading Shump.
      Clearly, it was best that they stayed with Shump…

    28. thenamestsam

      Frank O.:
      I would still have inked Chris Paul to a long term deal before inking Melo.
      Just saying, a great point guard trumps a great PF or SF any day of the week. Maybe my logic is flawed, but Paul is a once in a generation kind of talent, IMHO.

      This seems to be a widely held opinion, but looking at NBA history the exact opposite seems to hold true. Look at the list of NBA champions and it seems to me you see WAY more place holder PGs than teams with PGs playing critical roles. In recent years there really hasn’t been a PG-centric champion. Parker was the Finals MVP in 2007, but he was pretty clearly the 3rd best player on that team. Billups was the designated closer for the 2004 Pistons and arguably their best player on a game-to-game basis, but that team is basically the exception to every rule about what it takes to win a title. Before that we’re going all the way back to Isiah. Your recent champion PGs are Mario Chalmers, Old Kidd/Barea, Derek Fisher, Rookie Rondo, young Tony Parker, old Gary Payton. The list goes on. It’s not a star studded crew.

    29. Frank

      Frank O.: a great PG has way more impact, again, IMHO.

      really tough to argue that considering out of the last 20 NBA champs, really only Tony Parker and Rondo count as superlative point guards — the rest were on teams dominated by great big men (Duncan, Miami Shaq, Nowitzki) or great wing players (Kobe, Wade, Jordan, Lebron). I think the need for a great PG is completely overrated — you need someone who can break a defense and competently get the ball to other players in a good position to score. Obviously a great PG like CP3 helps with those things, but Jordan/Kobe/Wade/LBJ all do that without actually being PGs. Question is whether Melo can take his game to that next step. He certainly has it in him.

      Re: Shump – what we probably need to see is the #s on his spot-up vs. off the dribble 3′s. My guess is that the difference in % will be huge. As i remember it he took a bunch of off the dribble shots at the beginning of last year — this year, barely any.

    30. jon abbey

      yeah, there seem to be way more really good PGs in the league than SF/PF/whatever the hell Melo is. and to win a title you need to match up with guys like LeBron, Durant, Pierce, Deng, PG seems a bit easier to get by with a placeholder if necessary.

    31. Frank

      thenamestsam: This seems to be a widely held opinion, but looking at NBA history the exact opposite seems to hold true. Look at the list of NBA champions and it seems to me you see WAY more place holder PGs than teams with PGs playing critical roles. In recent years there really hasn’t been a PG-centric champion. Parker was the Finals MVP in 2007, but he was pretty clearly the 3rd best player on that team. Billups was the designated closer for the 2004 Pistons and arguably their best player on a game-to-game basis, but that team is basically the exception to every rule about what it takes to win a title. Before that we’re going all the way back to Isiah. Your recent champion PGs are Mario Chalmers, Old Kidd/Barea, Derek Fisher, Rookie Rondo, young Tony Parker, old Gary Payton. The list goes on. It’s not a star studded crew.

      lol we were writing at the same time i guess

    32. lavor postell

      Frank: really tough to argue that considering out of the last 20 NBA champs, really only Tony Parker and Rondo count as superlative point guards — the rest were on teams dominated by great big men (Duncan, Miami Shaq, Nowitzki) or great wing players (Kobe, Wade, Jordan, Lebron).I think the need for a great PG is completely overrated — you need someone who can break a defense and competently get the ball to other players in a good position to score. Obviously a great PG like CP3 helps with those things, but Jordan/Kobe/Wade/LBJ all do that without actually being PGs. Question is whether Melo can take his game to that next step. He certainly has it in him.

      Re: Shump – what we probably need to see is the #s on his spot-up vs. off the dribble 3?s. My guess is that the difference in % will be huge.As i remember it he took a bunch of off the dribble shots at the beginning of last year — this year, barely any.

      This

    33. jon abbey

      even Rondo was still 21 and the 4th best player on the team, he was 8th in WS/48 for them that year.

    34. Frank O.

      consider me chastised. lol
      as positions go on the court, the first thing you want if you can get it is a dominant center because unlike most other positions, there are so few that can do what he does, you have to go for it.
      After that, a PG plays an enormous role in running your team.
      absent those things, you go for the greatest athletes out there.
      This is where the game has changed. Teams are focused on the one guy or two guys, the rest be damned. There are few players like that, and you are likely to enjoy more long term success if you build a team around these traditional roles.
      Yes, if you get a transcendent star like Lebron, or Jordan or Wade or Duncan you get him. But those guys are few and far between.

      You are citing exceptions. The rest of the league clearly doesn’t always have the luxury of having landed that guy.
      Melo is playing great, but to date, he’s not led a team to the promise land. I hope this is his year.

    35. lavor postell

      It’s looking increasingly likely that the 3 will face Atlanta as the 6. I would love that even at the expense of giving Indiana homecourt. Atlanta or Boston are the two teams I would really like to see in the first round.

    36. Frank O.

      My thinking may be a bit dated. All the great stars you mentioned have essentially played the point role on their teams. they are the focal point.
      So I concede that if you can get a Wade or Lebron, a Kobe, or a Jordan, you would get them.

    37. jon abbey

      Frank O.:
      consider me chastised. lol
      as positions go on the court, the first thing you want if you can get it is a dominant center because unlike most other positions, there are so few that can do what he does, you have to go for it.

      not sure this is true anymore either, although it’s hard to tell if it’s because there are just so few good centers or because having a strong post scorer isn’t nearly as important as it used to be.

      if there was a league-wide expansion draft right now, though, who would be the first center drafted and where? Howard has his share of issues, Marc Gasol, Brook Lopez? I don’t think there would be one taken in the top five.

    38. thenamestsam

      jon abbey: not sure this is true anymore either, although it’s hard to tell if it’s because there are just so few good centers or because having a strong post scorer isn’t nearly as important as it used to be.

      if there was a league-wide expansion draft right now, though, who would be the first center drafted and where? Howard has his share of issues, Marc Gasol, Brook Lopez? I don’t think there would be one taken in the top five.

      Gasol would get taken first I think and I’m not sure he goes top 15 even.

    39. Keniman Shumpwalker

      jon abbey: not sure this is true anymore either, although it’s hard to tell if it’s because there are just so few good centers or because having a strong post scorer isn’t nearly as important as it used to be.

      if there was a league-wide expansion draft right now, though, who would be the first center drafted and where? Howard has his share of issues, Marc Gasol, Brook Lopez? I don’t think there would be one taken in the top five.

      The increase in overall athleticism has, in part, given rise to more versatile wings and “bigs” that have largely rendered the traditional PG/C roster building model moot. It’s unprecedented. This is the first ERA in which the game has been dominated largely by playmaking wings and “stretch 4s”.

    40. Zanzibar

      Frank:

      Re: Shump – what we probably need to see is the #s on his spot-up vs. off the dribble 3?s. My guess is that the difference in % will be huge.As i remember it he took a bunch of off the dribble shots at the beginning of last year — this year, barely any.

      Excellent insight Frank. This was written on January 30, 2012: “Shumpert is 11-for-28 on spot-up three point attempts this season, an excellent 39.3% clip. On all of his other three point attempts, he’s just 4-for-20.” And his low 3FG% in college can probably be explained by his shooting off the dribble so much (even more enticing with a closer 3pt line). I feel a whole lot better now about Shump’s 3 ball going forward!! Looking more like Raja Bell than Tony Allen – if he can finish at rim and pull up for jumper, his ceiling might even be JR Smith :)

    41. Keniman Shumpwalker

      pretty sure the only reason I capitalized ERA is because, moments prior, I was setting my fantasy baseball lineup

    42. Eternal OptiKnist

      jon abbey: my original point was half-joking, but I am happy to keep going. first of all, Tyson Chandler has not really been “Tyson Chandler” all year, maybe now we finally know why. guards have been driving in for layups past him as if he was invisible all year, so even a less than hundred percent Rose is certainly capable of that.but more importantly, Rose is obviously taking his time so that he can come back at close to a hundred percent, whether that be this year or next. if he wanted to work his way into game shape during actual games, he would have been back a month or two ago.

      I have to say, i’m utterly shocked that this board is discussing anything else besides Tyson’s neck….absolutely shocked. I walked around the whole day yesterday depressed. I think we can make it out of the first round with him the way he is…but in my mind our hopes of moving beyond round 2 have been dashed. Is there a doctor in the house that can make me feel better about his bulging dick?

    43. ruruland

      lavor postell: Paul is a media darling.People talk about a Melo-centric offense and how it becomes bogged down. I’d argue that there is such a thing as a Paul-centric offense and that it can actually be more harmful, because he is the point guard.How much time on an average possession does Paul spend dribbling and probing the defense before giving it up?

      That’s fine and dandy in the regular season, but come playoff time, teams can focus and gameplan to a far greater degree than they can in the regular season.Iso-Paul every possession down the stretch in a playoff game is not ideal as the Spurs exposed in the playoffs last season.

      And I don’t think this is just all part of del Negro’s plan offensively of just letting the players do whatever they want.Every coach in the NBA has a “system” and specific sets with planned movement, automatic reads, etc.I have to believe that to a degree he has to isolate so often because their two best shot creators, Paul and Crawford, are strongest in isolation.

      That’s exactly what the Nuggets did to Paul/Chandler/West in 2009.

      Held them to 63 points in game 4.

      Point margin in Nuggets four wins: 29, 15, 58, 21.

      Paul shot 40 % from the field and averaged 5 turnovers.

      Chandler, with the lob taken away, averaged 3.8 points, 5.3 rebounds 4.3 fouls and 2.3 turnovers. WOW. Almost as bad as his Miami series.

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NOH/2009.html

    44. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Are you guys really discussing whether Chris Paul is better or worse than Carmelo “1.29 PPS in 2012-13, 0.01 above his career average” Anthony? The guy who’s posting career lows in steals and assists? And his worst rebounding totals since ’07?

      Man, this board hasn’t changed.

    45. lavor postell

      ruruland: That’s exactly what the Nuggets did to Paul/Chandler/West in 2009.

      Held them to 63 points in game 4.

      Point margin in Nuggets four wins: 29, 15, 58, 21.

      Paul shot 40 % from the field and averaged 5 turnovers.

      Chandler, with the lob taken away, averaged 3.8 points, 5.3 rebounds 4.3 fouls and 2.3 turnovers. WOW. Almost as bad as his Miami series.

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NOH/2009.html

      I’m not sure how the Hornets lost that series seeing as how Paul and Chandler shit on Melo’s WS/48

    46. lavor postell

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Are you guys really discussing whether Chris Paul is better or worse than Carmelo “1.29 PPS in 2012-13, 0.01 above his career average” Anthony? The guy who’s posting career lows in steals and assists? And his worst rebounding totals since ’07?

      Man, this board hasn’t changed.

      Yeah I mean if we’re talking about great offensive players the only Knick we should even mention in the same breath as Paul as Chandler. God knows where we would be without him dominating on the block…

    47. jon abbey

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Are you guys really discussing whether Chris Paul is better or worse than Carmelo “1.29 PPS in 2012-13, 0.01 above his career average” Anthony? The guy who’s posting career lows in steals and assists? And his worst rebounding totals since ’07?

      Man, this board hasn’t changed.

      I am so excited to read your eventual thesis: “Diary of an Intentionally Clueless Troll”.

    48. Eternal OptiKnist

      thenamestsam: I guffawed at my desk.

      I purposely always refer to it as that with a totally striaght face especially when talking to my wife about it. :)

    49. Knicks4Eva

      Man I think if I told my wife Chandler had a bulging dick she’d faint.

      She loves basketball, but loves her some Chandler and JR Smif even more.

    50. Eternal OptiKnist

      OK…………….i guess im the only one with a heightened level of concern about Tyson!

    51. Knicks4Eva

      No I’m concerned, for sure.
      It was clear he wasn’t close to 100% even before he confirmed it.
      Without the ability to raise his arms (or even look up) he doesn’t add much. We need him 100% and I’d like to see him sit another few games. Put Camby in and slow down his recovery instead.

    52. jon abbey

      He could be in a full body cast and some here would still give him an ‘A’ in the recap.

    53. BigBlueAL

      Camby is out this weekend because of his plantar fasciitis. I think its safe to say we cant expect much if anything from Camby for the rest of this season.

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