Knicks Morning News (2022.06.30)

  • Knicks Sign Jean Montero to Exhibit 10 Deal, Summer League Squad – Heavy.com
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  • rumors: Knicks, Spurs, 3 other teams eyeing Collin Sexton – Cavs Nation
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  • Signs pointing to a Mitchell Robinson-Knicks reunion – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 11:23:00 PM

    Signs pointing to a Mitchell Robinson-Knicks reunion  New York Post

  • Momentum building toward Dejounte Murray trade with Hawks, Knicks and Timberwolves known suitors – Hoops Hype
    [hoopshype.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 4:50:29 PM

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  • Knicks rumors: Would New York really trade Cam Reddish after trading a 1st-round pick for him last season? – ClutchPoints
    [clutchpoints.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 3:39:09 PM

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  • Report: Lakers, Knicks and Timberwolves among teams expected to be interested in Mo Bamba – Lakers Daily
    [lakersdaily.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 3:30:57 PM

    Report: Lakers, Knicks and Timberwolves among teams expected to be interested in Mo Bamba  Lakers Daily

  • Knicks Have Reportedly Expressed Interest In Blockbuster Trade – The Spun
    [thespun.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 3:26:26 PM

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  • LIU fires Derek Kellogg, hires ex-Knicks guard in surprise move – Elite Sports NY
    [elitesportsny.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 2:52:20 PM

    LIU fires Derek Kellogg, hires ex-Knicks guard in surprise move  Elite Sports NY

  • Adios to Alec Burks, the Knicks Mid King – Posting and Toasting
    [www.postingandtoasting.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 2:11:06 PM

    Adios to Alec Burks, the Knicks Mid King  Posting and Toasting

  • Previewing Knicks’ free agency options including Jalen Brunson and Dejounte Murray | The Putback with Ian Begley – Yahoo Sports
    [sports.yahoo.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 2:06:47 PM

    Previewing Knicks’ free agency options including Jalen Brunson and Dejounte Murray | The Putback with Ian Begley  Yahoo Sports

  • Latest NBA Free Agents, Trades, and Rumors 2022: News Updates Here – Blazer’s Edge
    [www.blazersedge.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 12:21:26 PM

    Latest NBA Free Agents, Trades, and Rumors 2022: News Updates Here  Blazer’s Edge

  • NBA Rumors: Pistons ‘Committed’ to Marvin Bagley III Contract Despite Knicks Trade – Bleacher Report
    [bleacherreport.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 11:25:02 AM

    NBA Rumors: Pistons ‘Committed’ to Marvin Bagley III Contract Despite Knicks Trade  Bleacher Report

  • NBA Exec Gives Blunt Assessment of Knicks Star’s Future – Heavy.com
    [heavy.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 10:59:15 AM

    NBA Exec Gives Blunt Assessment of Knicks Star’s Future  Heavy.com

  • Nerlens Noel trade creates need for Knicks to sign Mo Bamba in free agency – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 10:40:00 AM

    Nerlens Noel trade creates need for Knicks to sign Mo Bamba in free agency  Daily Knicks

  • Pod Strickland: Episode 207 – The Strickland
    [www.thestrick.land] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 9:40:03 AM

    Pod Strickland: Episode 207  The Strickland

  • ‘The Sporting News 7’ podcast: What’s next for Serena, Knicks make room for Jalen Brunson, Terry McLaurin cashes in – Sporting News
    [www.sportingnews.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:28:26 AM

    ‘The Sporting News 7’ podcast: What’s next for Serena, Knicks make room for Jalen Brunson, Terry McLaurin cashes in  Sporting News

  • Knicks Rumors: NY Inquiring About Julius Randle Trade; Unlikely to Happen This Summer – Bleacher Report
    [bleacherreport.com] — Wednesday, June 29, 2022 7:51:55 AM

    Knicks Rumors: NY Inquiring About Julius Randle Trade; Unlikely to Happen This Summer  Bleacher Report

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    111 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.06.30)”

    1. Hubert, the thing is, ATL was already good before the trade and is now without a doubt all in for the rest of Trae’s max deal. The odds of them being in the upper half of the lottery in 2025 are slim. Of course it’s guaranteed to be a firsr rounder so there’s that. However, I dispute your (and other folks’) contention that the CHA protected pick is a throw-in. It probably had roughly equivalent value to SAS in this trade as the unprotected 2025 pick and it’s probably even money that it conveys as a higher pick than the 2025 unprotected pick. If anything was a throw in, it’s the pick-swap for 2026.

    2. Murray is an excellent player, but I do think he is a bit of a weird fit on the Hawks. He can’t shoot and Trae is very ball dominant.

    3. The worry re: the Dejounte trade is that he’ll be an unrestricted free agent in 2 years. What if he hates playing with Trae Young? There’s all this talk about using Young off-ball but does Trae even want that? What if Dejounte walks when he’s an UFA? I get why Atlanta made this trade, and maybe this is just the cost of doing business, but no doubt this is a very high risk move.

      Meanwhile – twitter is telling me that Jake Fischer says the Knicks have been connected with Hartenstein. That is pretty interesting. To be honest I think I’d rather have Hartenstein than Mitch – much more versatile offensively, still amazingly efficient. Per-36 basically 17p, 10r, 4.7 assists, 1.5 steals, 2.3 blocks and a TS of 66.4 on 18 usage.

    4. That’s awesome if the Hartenstein rumor is true. I’m not sure why LAC doesn’t value him; his per 36 numbers are excellent. Maybe they want him as Mitch’s backup?

    5. I agree with Murray being kind of a strange fit next to Trae. But Trae probably would work pretty well as a spot up shooter too. Cost was low.

      I am curious why Pelton panned the deal. Probably a lot of people think Murray is due for regression.

    6. ess-dog:
      That’s awesome if the Hartenstein rumor is true. I’m not sure why LAC doesn’t value him; his per 36 numbers are excellent. Maybe they want him as Mitch’s backup?

      Clips are over the tax and I don’t believe have even bird rights since he was only with them this past season. so they’re stuck just offering him the taxpayer MLE. I imagine he’s looking for a bigger payday than that.

    7. I really have no idea where the next 72h is going outside of the Brunson signing.
      We already have enough $ to sign Brunson outright, but as many have noted, we can clear more space for other interesting moves by S&Ting Fournier in the Dallas move. Assuming a net -$10MM from that transaction (Brunson 29MM minus Fournier 19MM) that would mean we’d still have either $23MM+ in cap space if we operate as a below-tax team (+ room exception), with the ability to pretty easily get to much more by trading Derrick Rose and/or Reddish. Or we engineer the moves to stay above the cap, gain access to the full MLE, and presumably have a number of trade exceptions.

      Maybe the plan involves a S&T of Mitch somewhere and signing Hartenstein to replace him somehow? I don’t imagine we would be signing Hartenstein as a backup C (at a $ amount that he would be happy signing onto) with Mitch as the starter considering we have Sims as a perfectly palatable and very cheap/effective backup on the roster already.

    8. Thought this was interesting

      Dejounte Murray was one of 27 qualified players to average at least 20 PPG in the NBA last season.

      Only two of those players – Julius Randle and RJ Barrett – had a lower TS% than Murray:

      50.9% – Randle
      51.1% – Barrett
      53.3% – Murray

      The median for those 27 players is 57.6%.

    9. If the Heat somehow get Brunson, I may have to go into a self imposed media blackout.

    10. There’s an interesting article in the Athletic about an AI engine used to assess the value of free agents called ProFitX. It’s described as analytics for agents using 130 different performance metrics. Here’s what it says about Brunson:

      Jalen Brunson
      Real-time value during 2021-22 season: $34.2 million
      Free agency projection: $27.3 million, with a range between $23.3 million-31.2 million

      For more details, see
      https://theathletic.com/3388045/2022/06/29/nba-free-agency-ai-model/

    11. ess-dog:
      That’s awesome if the Hartenstein rumor is true. I’m not sure why LAC doesn’t value him; his per 36 numbers are excellent. Maybe they want him as Mitch’s backup?

      Yes, please. Just think- if we can move Randle, we can deploy a Hartenstein/Sims tandem off the bench. That’s a good look. At 6’9.5″ 250, Sims still moves well enough to check 4’s, and both guys can close off the paint fairly well. Better than Randle and Obi did last season. Plus, Hartenstein can space the floor as good as- if not better than Obi did for most of the season on the 2nd unit. That should open things up for Rose, Cam, and Quickley. I’m assuming Fournier gets moved and Grimes starts. Or maybe Randle gets moved for a SF that spaces the floor and RJ moves to the 2. Who knows. But..I like the Hartenstein as a backup to Mitch idea alot

    12. ess-dog:
      That’s awesome if the Hartenstein rumor is true. I’m not sure why LAC doesn’t value him; his per 36 numbers are excellent. Maybe they want him as Mitch’s backup?

      IIRC, The Clippers are over the cap and only can use exceptions to sign people. If they sign Wall (who amazingly is only 31) they use up the kind of exception they would need to sign Hartenstein at a fair market value price.

      Given how having three centers last year didn’t seem to be enough, I’d be happy to have him along with Mitch.

    13. Hubert, the thing is, ATL was already good before the trade and is now without a doubt all in for the rest of Trae’s max deal.

      I don’t think anything 3-5 years from now is without a doubt. And Atlanta was the 8th best team in the East last year.

    14. Hubert: I don’t think anything 3-5 years from now is without a doubt.

      What would you say the odds are of ATL not being in “all in” mode in 2024-25? Maybe 2%? What are the odds of that 2025 pick being a top-half of lottery pick? Maybe 10%? What are the odds of it conveying as a lower pick than the CHA protected pick? 40%? Give me your honest “Vegas” odds and then we can revisit the point I was making rather than getting caught up in the semantics of “without a doubt.”

    15. I respect that many here would like to have an even slightly less sketchy justification to follow Kourtney Kellar on Instagram (“In her Insta Story today, she let slip about trade talks with Denver!”), but does it make sense to have Mitch and Hartenstein and Sims (and possibly still Taj) on this roster? I know Hartenstein can shoot from outside when the other two can’t, but it’s still just so many centers. Hartenstein makes more sense as a Mitch replacement than as an addition, it feels like.

    16. Alan, I suspect Taj might be the odd man out if we get Hartenstein. But if you think of Taj as our third power forward he might stay.

    17. I am curious why Pelton panned the deal. Probably a lot of people think Murray is due for regression.

      He didn’t mention regression at all in the analysis. It was a combination of their fit and the win curve.

      Each player’s off ball statistics indicated a diminished return when they don’t have the ball in their hands. And he thinks this trade only gets Atlanta to the middle of the East.

      He also notes the possibility that Murray and Atlanta won’t be able to agree on an extension.

    18. Alan:
      I respect that many here would like to have an even slightly less sketchy justification to follow Kourtney Kellar on Instagram (“In her Insta Story today, she let slip about trade talks with Denver!”), but does it make sense to have Mitch and Hartenstein and Sims (and possibly still Taj) on this roster? I know Hartenstein can shoot from outside when the other two can’t, but it’s still just so many centers. Hartenstein makes more sense as a Mitch replacement than as an addition, it feels like.

      I was going to make a comment about Hartenstein’s smoking hot girlfriend, but being a guy in my 60’s it felt a little creepy (-:

    19. Frank: One can only hope.

      That should indicate Julius is gone. If the plan were to try to rehab him, dangling him in the market without then trading him sabotages the rehab from the get-go.

    20. Frank: Well Sam Amico who I think is a legit NBA reporter tweeted that Julius Randle may be on the move today. One can only hope.

      Ayton is on the move too. Would a trade of Randle+Mitch for Ayton (4/120M) make sense for us?
      Team: Brunson, RJ, Grimes, Obi, Ayton;

    21. What would you say the odds are of ATL not being in “all in” mode in 2024-25? Maybe 2%?

      Atlanta was all in this year and they ended up with the 16th pick in the draft. That’s the 99th percentile outcome for the Charlotte pick.

      What are the odds of that 2025 pick being a top-half of lottery pick? Maybe 10%?

      Why so low? I’m spitballing here because I’m not an oddsmaker, but I’d say there’s a 55% chance that pick is in the top half of the lottery.

      What are the odds of it conveying as a lower pick than the CHA protected pick? 40%? Give me your honest “Vegas” odds

      I cannot do the math required to come up with those odds because I’m not ptmilo. But I know the Charlotte pick has a 0% chance of being in the lottery and a nonzero chance of being in the second round. The Atlanta pick has a nonzero chance of being the #1 pick in the draft and a 0% chance of being in the second round.

      You didn’t mention the biggest prize in the trade: the unprotected 2027 pick. That is as likely to be the #1 pick in the draft as anything out there.

    22. I wouldn’t worry about the fit or contract issues related to Trae and Murray. There’s a connection via Klutch Sports. They both want to play with each other. And Trae supposedly has excellent off the ball skills that he wants to use more. We’ll see how it works, but that’s a marriage that both players are very happy about.

    23. DRed:
      Thought this was interesting

      Dejounte Murray was one of 27 qualified players to average at least 20 PPG in the NBA last season.

      Only two of those players – Julius Randle and RJ Barrett – had a lower TS% than Murray:

      50.9% – Randle
      51.1% – Barrett
      53.3% – Murray

      The median for those 27 players is 57.6%.

      That’s why I questioned the fit for NY. We need a sharp shooter in that slot, not a guy whose value is derived from playmaking and rebounding to a large extent. We have our PG now. We need space.

    24. I am watching some of these Wembayana highlights and they are ridiculous.
      He literally is like 8 feet away (“wide open” on tracking!) on some of these shots and still blocks stepback 3’s
      He lets himself get bodied under the rim on postups just to block the shot into next week anyway.
      I can see why there is going to be serious tankage to get him.

    25. cybersoze: Ayton is on the move too. Would a trade of Randle+Mitch for Ayton (4/120M) make sense for us?
      Team: Brunson, RJ, Grimes, Obi, Ayton;

      Something like that is what I threw out there a couple of weeks ago, but apparently it gets very complex because of rules for Mitch and Ayton.

    26. Hubert: Atlanta was all in this year and they ended up with the 16th pick in the draft. That’s the 99th percentile outcome for the Charlotte pick.

      In terms of desirable outcomes, yes, but certainly not probability-wise. CHA is exactly the kind of team that is likely to finish in the play-in area for the next 3 years, so if it does convey, it will probably be a 14-20 pick. The 99% outcome is conveying as a ##25-30 pick, meaning CHA had one of the best record in the NBA. OTOH that is certainly more of a possibility for ATL in 2025.

    27. Frank:
      Now Begley out with an article confirming that the Knicks will be aggressive with Hartenstein, and at the same time that they expect Mitch to be back. This is all so weird.

      https://sny.tv/articles/knicks-free-agency-notes-6-30-22

      Maybe they see Hartenstein as more of a stretch 4 (I have no idea if he could be that) and this is part of a plan where Randle is gone? Maybe they’re much less high on Sims than it seems, and Sims will take Taj’s place as the in case of emergency big man? Like you, I am puzzled.

    28. I am puzzled too but I like Hartenstein. The fact they are showing interest, if they are, is a positive on some level.

    29. Hubert: You didn’t mention the biggest prize in the trade: the unprotected 2027 pick. That is as likely to be the #1 pick in the draft as anything out there.

      I totally agree on this, but take issue with the contention that the CHA pick is merely a throw-in, as you and others suggested.

      As to the zero vs non-zero stuff, sure, but near-zero is important as well. That’s why GMs actually weigh these possible outcomes by likelyhood when considering the value of draft picks. As Schlenk himself said when he acquired the CHA pick, there’s a 90% probability that it will convey as a first. I’m sure Buford felt the same way.

    30. @ByTimReynolds
      The Heat are not planning to meet with Jalen Brunson today, and they did not have such a meeting scheduled, per league source.

      Zach Lowe added that he’s heard the same thing. So it’s just us and Dallas.

    31. Frank:
      Now Begley out with an article confirming that the Knicks will be aggressive with Hartenstein, and at the same time that they expect Mitch to be back. This is all so weird.

      https://sny.tv/articles/knicks-free-agency-notes-6-30-22

      That’s good news. Now that Noel is gone, they need another C because Mitch is still iffy in some ways. Sims is OK, but he’s even more limited than Mitch. Hartenstein can play. He might even win the starting job and fit better with Randle/Obi. The price is an issue. ???? Two expensive Cs doesn’t make much sense.

    32. Z-man: As Schlenk himself said when he acquired the CHA pick, there’s a 90% probability that it will convey as a first. I’m sure Buford felt the same way.

      I still don’t know why we care whatsoever about the spin a GM put on a trade that caused some anger among Hawks fans. Him saying this should not change your opinion on the pick anymore than any nice things he may have said about Kevin Knox should change your opinion on Kevin Knox.

      The pick remains exactly what it is–the highest it can possibly be is 15, which is extremely unlikely as long as LaMelo Ball exists, and the lowest it can be is two seconds, which cannot be ruled out as long as Michael Jordan has a say in basketball operations.

    33. I think the Hartenstein noise is either because Kourtney Kellar wants to live in NYC (thanks for the tip Alan – I had no idea who she was so I did look her up!) or more likely that Mitch is a S&T elsewhere. Taj+Sims is perfectly adequate in terms of backup C, makes zero sense to pay a backup C what Hartenstein would cost.

    34. In terms of desirable outcomes, yes, but certainly not probability-wise.

      It’s actually in terms of possible outcomes.

      Z-Man, you have a fair and reasonable position. But it all depends on the value of your forecast. I don’t think we can forecast with the degree of certainty you think we can. I don’t think Atlanta can, either.

    35. Haha, Frank. I guess you’re welcome? Based on what little I know of that corner of the celebrity business, staying in LA is probably better for her career, but NYC is at least workable. Whereas if Hartenstein were to sign with, say, the Bucks, it could be a Kris Humphries/Kim Kardashian situation, where their marriage was over the second he went to Minnesota.

    36. If Hartenstein would do it, I see no reason we wouldn’t be interested in him as Mitch’s backup. I’m as in on him as the next guy, but his career high in MPG is 18. I don’t think it would be wise for any team to rely on him to start.

      I’m not sure where this would leave Sims but it makes sense to want a backup who gives you a bit of a different look.

    37. Didn’t the Noel signing prove that it’s stupid to waste money on a backup C? Can’t we trade just for Kourtney?

    38. People are bad at forecasting. And they’re even worse at understanding the extent of how bad they are. Take the weather, for instance. If you look at a ten day forecast, how valuable do you actually think the forecast for the 10th day is? 1st day, fine. But 10th? It’s worthless.

      People always say “invest for a long time, things will even out.” That’s called the Advisor’s Fallacy. Time is not necessarily your friend: the longer the time, the greater the opportunity for calamity. By pushing the picks far out, San Antonio is significantly increasing the odds of a great reward.

    39. Hubert: It’s actually in terms of possible outcomes.

      Z-Man, you have a fair and reasonable position. But it all depends on the value of your forecast. I don’t think we can forecast with the degree of certainty you think we can. I don’t think Atlanta can, either.

      The word “forecasting” implies that there is at least some uncertainty. What I’m suggesting is what I’ve been saying since draft night 2021…that the conditional CHA pick retained much, if not all, of its original value, and right now strictly statistically speaking probably has more value in a trade than a random 2021 #19 pick from the consensus mocks on that day. Suggesting that it was not nearly as significant a part of the trade as the 2025 ATL first is kind of ridiculous given the most likely outcomes of both.

    40. Deeefense!!: Something like that is what I threw out there a couple of weeks ago, but apparently it gets very complex because of rules for Mitch and Ayton.

      Then we offer only Randle for Ayton, because that’s quite easy to achieve. Suns add Craig (5.1M) and we add Taj (5.1M) to the deal, and both players will go to a 3rd team. This means wasting some draft assets (2nd rounders?) to dump them on a team with cap space.

    41. Hubert:
      People are bad at forecasting. And they’re even worse at understanding the extent of how bad they are. Take the weather, for instance. If you look at a ten day forecast, how valuable do you actually think the forecast for the 10th day is? 1st day, fine. But 10th? It’s worthless.

      People always say “invest for a long time, things will even out.” That’s called the Advisor’s Fallacy. Time is not necessarily your friend: the longer the time, the greater the opportunity for calamity. By pushing the picks far out, San Antonio is significantly increasing the odds of a great reward.

      I totally agree…and that’s true with the CHA pick as well. By having the protections decrease over time, there is more lilelyhood that the pick would retain its value for a couple of years. Now in 2025 if it hasn’t conveyed yet, it would lose lots of value, but right now it clearly hasn’t. And that was the point made since draft night, and shown to be true not once but twice.

    42. Z-man: Suggesting that it was not nearly as significant a part of the trade as the 2025 ATL first is kind of ridiculous given the most likely outcomes of both.

      It’s kind of ridiculous to suggest any pick as heavily protected as that Charlotte pick has anything close to the value of an unprotected pick, of which there are precious few in distribution.

    43. thenoblefacehumper: It’s kind of ridiculous to suggest any pick as heavily protected as that Charlotte pick has anything close to the value of an unprotected pick, of which there are precious few in distribution.

      Well you’re already on record as saying that you’d bet that the ATL pick will convey as a better pick than the CHA pick, so we’ll revisit when it happens and see how wide that gap is.

    44. Obviously, the most important things regarding the Bridges situation are the safety and health of his victim and the public knowing that he’s a piece of garbage. But I’m also fascinated (or perhaps horrified?) by what may happen now with his restricted free agency. Will Charlotte attempt to use this to re-sign him at a bargain? Would some other craven GM swoop in and trade for him as a change of scenery candidate?

    45. cybersoze:
      Didn’t the Noel signing prove that it’s stupid to waste money on a backup C? Can’t we trade just for Kourtney?

      It’s not stupid if your starting C is always hurt. That Mitch stayed healthy last year and Nerlens got hurt may have been luck.

    46. Z-man: Well you’re already on record as saying that you’d bet that the ATL pick will convey as a better pick than the CHA pick, so we’ll revisit when it happens and see how wide that gap is.

      What eventually happens and what the probabilities were at the start are two different things. I find these pick valuations between various teams and protections mind numbing. There are a million moving parts. I’m not even sure it’s informed gambling unless it’s extreme and obvious. I wouldn’t even try.

    47. Summer league roster is out, it’s Grimes, Simms, Sims, Keels, McBride and a bunch of guys I’ve never heard of. Looks to be mostly G-league kids

    48. DRed:
      Summer league roster is out, it’s Grimes, Simms, Sims, Keels, McBride and a bunch of guys I’ve never heard of.Looks to be mostly G-league kids

      Heard we’re trying out some Italian guy named Incinerato

    49. Dominican kid named Jean Montero who played in Spain & then Overtime Elite seems interesting as a developmental bucket getter (looks like he can’t shoot right now)

    50. whew, just got confirmation – i am not crazy…

      honestly, i wasn’t sure…

      seems like it may be some weird situation wherein my fight/flight mechanism turns on and stays on…that’s kind of weird…or it could be a combo of that and my thyroid – something somewhere in the endocrine system ain’t working quite right…that’s funny, it’s like having a car with leaking oil, oh shit…

      man, i need to do some reading up on stress hormones – i seem to have 24/7 access to them for weeks on end…

      that’s gotta be useful somehow…i’m gonna go take another walk…oh my god, i gotta be like doctor bob just to stay “even” during these episodes …i hope my body holds up, they last about six weeks now, i hope i can shorten the duration, breathe, listen/watch waves, garden and walk my way forward…

      note to self – buy nice jedi robe, get a new light saber, rp my way to health…people can control all sorts of stuff with their mind…

    51. geo: seems like it may be some weird situation wherein my fight/flight mechanism turns on and stays on…that’s kind of weird…or it could be a combo of that and my thyroid – something somewhere in the endocrine system ain’t working quite right…that’s funny, it’s like having a car with leaking oil, oh shit…

      Any idea as to cause?

      It sounds somewhat similar to some anxiety conditions. I hope you get this straightened out.

    52. geo:
      whew, just got confirmation – i am not crazy…

      honestly, i wasn’t sure…

      seems like it may be some weird situation wherein my fight/flight mechanism turns on and stays on…that’s kind of weird…or it could be a combo of that and my thyroid – something somewhere in the endocrine system ain’t working quite right…that’s funny, it’s like having a car with leaking oil, oh shit…

      man, i need to do some reading up on stress hormones – i seem to have 24/7 access to them for weeks on end…

      that’s gotta be useful somehow…i’m gonna go take another walk…oh my god, i gotta be like doctor bob just to stay “even” during these episodes …i hope my body holds up, they last about six weeks now, i hope i can shorten the duration, breathe, listen/watch waves, garden and walk my way forward…

      note to self – buy nice jedi robe, get a new light saber, rp my way to health…people can control all sorts of stuff with their mind…

      Obviously no one reached out to KB for an opinion…

      just kidding geo, glad that you got good news and good luck with all of this. You are a gem!

    53. Should we be talking more about the Amico/Randle tweet? Or just leave it alone until there is more smoke in the air?

    54. I like Hartenstein a lot but looking to spend big on a backup C does not bode well for Obi’s minutes next year which is a major concern for me. If Randle is going to be here (still seems like by far the most likely outcome) then we absolutely 100% have to be committed to playing him and Randle significant minutes together.

    55. Alan:
      Should we be talking more about the Amico/Randle tweet? Or just leave it alone until there is more smoke in the air?

      well clearly there’s smoke but if you ever you those fat sticks to get a fire going, its those… not sure there’s any real wood on this fire other then heavily chemical drenched fire starter sticks… i say you guys wait for real smoke

    56. Alan:
      Should we be talking more about the Amico/Randle tweet? Or just leave it alone until there is more smoke in the air?

      Less talking, more praying.

    57. Now in 2025 if it hasn’t conveyed yet, it would lose lots of value, but right now it clearly hasn’t. And that was the point made since draft night, and shown to be true not once but twice.

      This isn’t logical. You’re beginning with “I am right” and making events fit your belief.

      1) We traded it for Cam Reddish. Cam Reddish is not worth a first round pick. By the transitive property, the pick did not retain its value.

      2) Neither you nor I have any idea how much San Antonio valued that pick. That trade is proof of nothing.

    58. d-mar: Heard we’re trying out some Italian guy named Incinerato

      Incinerato Picciolo, by chance?

      Keep thinking positively, geo!

    59. If Randle is moved for a six pack of watery domestic light beer we might be close to the first mass celebration in knickerblogger history.

    60. Randle is near a feat not many have achieved – he has reached consensus at KB in celebrating him signing with the Knicks, one offseason, and him being traded away, the following offseason.

    61. I know this is not going to be supported but I think the best move the Knicks can make right now other than Brunson is to make a 4 year offer to Miles Bridges on Day 1 of free agency. Maybe even offer a sign-and-trade with Randle.

      I respect the moral counterarguments but I would take an amoral approach. This is a great opportunity to steal a distressed asset. Do it quickly before Charlotte has time to think.

    62. It is best to read this tweet with “Friday Night Knicks” playing in your head:

      @robertrandolph
      If the UtAh trade invoking Randle and 5 foster round picks happens. Knicks will sign Drummond for rebounding to go make OBI non rebounding

    63. Hubert:
      I know this is not going to be supported but I think the best move the Knicks can make right now other than Brunson is to make a 4 year offer to Miles Bridges on Day 1 of free agency. Maybe even offer a sign-and-trade with Randle.

      I respect the moral counterarguments but I would take an amoral approach. This is a great opportunity to steal a distressed asset. Do it quickly before Charlotte has time to think.

      no thanks

      Felony domestic violence — should we at least wait until the woman’s injuries heal before offering him a max guaranteed contract Hubert?

    64. cybersoze: Randle is near a feat not many have achieved – he has reached consensus at KB in celebrating him signing with the Knicks, one offseason, and him being traded away, the following offseason.

      Unfortunately, the FO has produced a couple of these recently–Elfrid (tho not traded just let go) and Kemba come to mind. And if Evan is traded…perhaps not a consensus but not many tears shed.

    65. Hard goddamn pass, Hubert. I have to hold my nose enough as it is to root for this organization. I still feel gross whenever Aroldis Chapman — whom the Yankees initially acquired under circumstances similar to what you are suggesting for Bridges — comes into a game.

    66. But you do hold your nose when Chapman comes in. And you cheer when he strikes out the side. So does every other Yankees fan and so did every Cubs fan in the World Series. And you probably don’t even think about his crime when Gleyber Torres goes on a hitting tear.

      That trade was exactly what I had in mind. Cashman was amoral & aggressive, and the Yankees benefited greatly from it. No one really remembers how disgusting it was the day he made the trade.

    67. Hubert: I respect the moral counterarguments but I would take an amoral approach. This is a great opportunity to steal a distressed asset. Do it quickly before Charlotte has time to think.

      Count me out.

    68. I expect to count everyone out. But if it comes to pass, it will be a smart move.

    69. I do not cheer. If I am being brutally honest, each time Altuve or someone else has had a big home run against Chapman in a big spot, I have said to myself, “Yep, that’s exactly what we deserve.” Even Gleyber — whom we got as a result of Cashman’s craven opportunism — is hard to root for for me, and he seems like a fine young person by all accounts.

      It’s gross, I don’t want it. We already have Derrick Rose on this team. We now have Rick Brunson on the coaching staff. We have any number of creeps in the front office, and the owner is still BFFs with Zeke. Fuck. This.

    70. I don’t hate the idea of keeping Sims as 3rd string C. He has some issues with turnovers. The 2 are effectively the same age and Hartenstein shows a lot more potential offensively. Hell, he’s probably better than Mitch.

      What I don’t know is how we afford him without the MLE. The MLE is possible to retain, but not necessarily easy.

    71. Alan: It’s gross, I don’t want it. We already have Derrick Rose on this team. We now have Rick Brunson on the coaching staff. We have any number of creeps in the front office, and the owner is still BFFs with Zeke. Fuck. This.

      And Rosas

    72. Frank: no thanks
      Felony domestic violence — should we at least wait until the woman’s injuries heal before offering him a max guaranteed contract Hubert?

      And Frank goes ahead and commits felony assault and battery on Hubert. I’m not so sorry to say that no charges will be pressed, here.

    73. Remember what Michael told the Judge in the Good Place, Alan: just by buying a tomato you are supporting toxic pesticides, exploiting labor, and contributing to calamitous climate change.

      I respect the line that you have drawn, though. You’re right to call it craven opportunism. I am suggesting that Leon should be a craven, amoral opportunist.

    74. And Frank goes ahead and commits felony assault and battery on Hubert.

      I know it was one of you on that bike.

    75. Hubert:
      Remember what Michael told the Judge in the Good Place, Alan: just by buying a tomato you are supporting toxic pesticides, exploiting labor, and contributing to calamitous climate change.

      I respect the line that you have drawn, though. You’re right to call it craven opportunism. I am suggesting that Leon should be a craven, amoral opportunist.

      I recommend finishing the show first

    76. Hubert, this is a non topic, he’s RFA and Charlotte will bring him back. Do you want to tie the money for some days (i don’t remember how many) and let Brunson get away?

    77. Do we know if he drew blood?

      I’m a pass on Miles. I would at least consider Mikal if there was no blood. For Booker, I’d allow blood in small quantities like a little nose trickle. For Giannis I’d allow for blood and pay for the bail, therapy sessions, lawyer etc…

      Don’t pay any attention to me. I can’t handle the stress today and am drinking. This is a serious problem. It makes me sad it happens so often.

    78. Even if you don’t care, which is ridiculous, maybe wait to see if Bridges gets incarcerated for the next 5 years before giving him $30M.

    79. Deeefense!!: Don’t pay any attention to me. I can’t handle the stress today and am drinking.

      Be a friend to yourself and drink some water with whatever else you’re enjoying.

    80. Hubert, I will say this very politely and then move on, but if you think that the writers of The Good Place — many of whom I know quite well — would in any way believe that the text or subtext of the show would support the Knicks acquiring Miles Bridges, then it is you who did not in any way understand it.

    81. Hubert: I said after Brunson, Cyber. And I didn’t say max or guaranteed.

      After Brunson, the problem is the same, you will tie the money for some days, preventing you from making real moves, and then Charlotte will match it.

    82. Well, with Riley out of the way, i now 99% believe that Brunson is indeed coming. But i’ll only believe it when i see it. :D

    83. ess-dog: Damnit, I check out for three hours and this place goes to shit.

      Hiring sex offenders and letting rookies go after the 1st contract is what we do around here. Are we really re-signing Mitch?

    84. Hard no on Miles Bridges for every reason Alan has listed. At least with Rose, and everyone will remember how against it I was at the time, it could be argued that he was considered not liable on the rape charges, but we don’t even know precisely what happened with Bridges other than the girl went to the hospital. The same guy was instagramming himself with a cup of lean not that long ago, and now this. Let him be someone else’s problem.

    85. On a side note, last night I was watching a game between the Knicks and Magic during Shaq’s rookie year. In the 1st quarter Ewing scored 16 pts on 8 for 12 shooting with 6 of the FGs being jumpers because Shaq wasn’t coming out to cover Ewing on the perimeter. Despite Ewing consistently taking and making basically wide open jumpers Johnny Hoops kept complaining that Ewing needed to stop settling for jumpers and get into the paint more.

      As good as Ewing was he’d be even better and more valuable in today’s NBA.

    86. I think I understand The Good Place quite well, Alan.

      Even minor daily decisions can present major moral conundrums, and if a human paid attention to all of them they would be unable to exist. Within this existential crisis we have developed an effective system to cope with the unintended consequences of our choices.

      From there they discussed whether or not we should be judged based on these consequences (and they said, flatly, no) or on how we treat each other and improve over time (yes). In their good place, then, you’d be judged on how you treated people. Not whether or not you rooted for the Yankees when they had Aroldis Chapman.

    87. Right now it’s hard to accept that in time we will accept Miles Bridges. But we will. We have accepted and at times even embraced the likes of Darryl Strawberry, Dwight Gooden, Randy Moss, Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Jason Kidd, and Manny Ramirez.

      We also accept the atrocities we support when we buy gas. We even accept our contribution to the inevitable overheating of our climate every time we take a plane to go on vacation.

      The reason you can’t accept it now (and Frank expressed this perfectly) is because it’s so soon. But an immoral action doesn’t become less immoral with time. Ben Roethlisberger was still a rapist when he won his second Super Bowl, and Disney showcased him nevertheless.

      So I would sign him today, even though it’s disgusting, because history suggest we’ll figure out how to accept it later.

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