Knicks Morning News (2022.05.26)

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    1. “Well Miami shooting 14% from 3”

      IMO the runs within games and the results themselves are coming down to who is hitting their 3s. It’s becoming a game where randomness dictates the result way too often. They aren’t going to do anything about it, but imo it was a much better game when the scoring was more balanced and there were more styles of play in the league.

    2. So it’s looking a whole lot like the “good guys with guns” didn’t do anything and even worse, kept the parents from doing anything. The timeline appears to be 12:10, perimeter established, parents held at bay at gunpoint; 12:52, shots still being heard. Multiple witnesses and observers have reported that people were begging the heavily-armed cops to go in and do something. All indications are that none of them did. For over 40 minutes, until the Border Patrol showed up and took care of business.

      What I’m going to say will be conditional on this timeline being accurate, as well as the “police not going into the building at all” fact that seems to be provisionally established, but if all that turns out to be true, my suggestion to the police involved would be this. Google the words “honor,” “courage,” “seppuku,” and “hara kari.” Reflect at length upon them. Compose your thoughts into a note, if you wish. Tell your family and loved ones that you love them. Act.

    3. The report I saw (from a Texas police lieutenant) was that local police got a report that someone was involved in a family disturbance and shot his grandmother. The suspect was seen in the area of the school. Local police arrived at the school. The suspect immediately went into the school and started firing at teachers and kids. A few officers tried to enter, but he was armored and they got shot. Later a tactical law enforcement team arrived (that must be the border patrol team). They made entry and were also fired upon, but were able to shoot and kill the suspect. Most likely the delay was a matter of getting the appropriately trained people with the correct defenses and weapons on the scene.

    4. E – I have seen the video. It doesn’t make any sense. I’d prefer to reserve judgment until all the facts are out and the explanations have been given. I think they will say what Strat said, which is that the police officers didn’t have the training to handle the situation and were doing the right thing keeping the parents out of the line of fire.

      But the whole thing is just ridiculous. I suspect this one will move the needle a bit. Not a lot but a little.

    5. The weaponry and people-power possessed by the parent-stopping force is easy to see in the video. They weren’t remotely outgunned.

      The border patrol didn’t get there for at least 40 minutes. Why would the local SWAT team have had to wait for the border patrol?

      The killer’s degree of “body armor” is going to wind up to be overstated.

    6. which is that the police officers didn’t have the training to handle the situation and were doing the right thing keeping the parents out of the line of fire.

      Most likely the delay was a matter of getting the appropriately trained people with the correct defenses and weapons on the scene.

      All the more reason why we need to ban these high caliber assault rifles and machine guns COMPLETELY and put serious restrictions on all guns. We should up the legal age to 21. That alone would stop some of these shootings as they tend to be older teenagers.

      These assault style rifles and machine guns allow someone to do an insane amount of damage within a few minutes. By the time police arrive, many people are dead. And if the shooter is at all good at what they do and has body armor, etc…then regular police can’t handle it. So then you wait for swat teams or whatever. But a short amount of time can be deadly for a lot of people with these types of weapons. BAN THEM ALL.

    7. “The cops are all untrained cowards” probably isn’t the best marketing slogan to make people want to give up their own guns.

    8. In a Mike Bunge world, the parents should have used their guns to get past the cops. Isn’t that the reason for having them?

    9. Yeah, Swift, obviously I completely agree. Just projecting how the conversation will go and to what extent the narrative might change. .

    10. n a Mike Bunge world, the parents should have used their guns to get past the cops. Isn’t that the reason for having them?

      Only a good guy with a gun can stop the good guy with a gun who won’t stop the bad guy with a gun

    11. I’m not sure “We sacrificed your children to keep you safe and out of the line of fire” is going to fly with too many of the parents.

    12. “Could we maybe have background checks and make it harder to acquire assault weapons”

      “No, sorry, then we will be unable to rise up and revolt against our government”

      “Oh, okay”

    13. The cops had tasers out and two of them were restraining a parent on the ground. They sure found their courage then and there.

    14. Yeah, i just read that Doug.

      All the facts fly so directly in the face of Republican talking points that they will have either change their minds or their talking points. Which means we most likely are going to be getting a lot of “door reform” in the coming years.

      It’s insane.

    15. “Owen
      May 26, 2022 at 11:15 am

      All the facts fly do directly in the face of Republican talking points”

      *

      Well, according to my wife’s FB feed, one guy is trying to argue “this isn’t about guns, this is about vaccines”. (You may have seen this post too, Owen).

    16. I don’t know why anyone would think this is going to change Republican positions, given endlessly repeated examples that toeing the line and waiting for the hysteria to pass is the modus operandi that works for their base and thus for them. Whether after school shootings or stolen elections or insurrections…

      ‘Most Republicans who have responded to The Times so far have either declined to take a position or signaled they would oppose the measures, citing concerns about infringing on the rights of gun owners.’

    17. Trying to use reasonable arguments is just ineffective. It’s like trying to talk my dad out of his crazy conspiracy theories. No sane person really believes that arming teachers is a good idea. 90% of republican politicians don’t believe any of it either – they’re just pandering to their base in their insatiable desire to keep their cushy politician jobs and all the trappings therein.

      The only way that any of this changes is use of legislative power – which only happens if these crazy cynical Republicans perceive that they are better off supporting gun safety measures than opposing them. Right now they need the fringe gun people’s support because they are the ones that put Rs over the top in elections – they always show up and they always vote for the craziest pro-gun candidate. Enough people have to come out to vote with gun safety as a priority to make it so that it is a losing proposition to keep doubling down on moronic arguments about more guns and arming teachers and whatever else these craven soulless bastards come up with.

      Where the founders really messed up isn’t the 2nd amendment, which I’m sure made perfect sense back then. Where they messed up is in putting legislators in charge of themselves and of the voting process. There should be term limits, but what legislator would ever sign up to end his/her own job security? Of course gerrymandering should be illegal, but why wouldn’t the legislative branch create the most favorable map for themselves? It’s the quest to stay in power forever (and systems that allow that) that lead to this messed up world. 2 terms max for a senator would be so great, as would, I don’t know, 3-4 terms for House members. No need to completely debase yourself if you’re going to be term limited out of office soon anyway.

    18. Seems it’s not just black lives that “Blue Lives Matter” more than. I suppose we can now add toddler lives and teacher lives to that list.

    19. The vast majority of these tough talkers are just cosplaying with their dumbass guns and their stupidass gun paraphernalia, and that’s exactly what those chickenshits were doing.

    20. According to an article at NPR, in 2020 firearms became the #1 cause of death of children, passing auto accidents. Children accounted for almost 10% of the 45,222 people killed by firearms that year.

      Of course, we’re told that “guns don’t kill, people do.” Yeah, but the firepower available in modern weapons allows people to kill at range very quickly and in great numbers. How about we at least try to take a serious bite out of that? Maybe try something along the lines of what Australia did some years ago? Yeah, I know…won’t happen.

      https://www.npr.org/2022/04/22/1094364930/firearms-leading-cause-of-death-in-children

    21. I’m the polar opposite of adopting this, but the rightist take on Australia is that the populace gave up their guns and that enabled the government to overreach with COVID lockdowns.

    22. Well, now that we agree that this is a terrible and pervasive problem, and have found a number of reasonable changes to lessen the risk of this happening over and over, all we need to do is eliminate the NRA’s and 1,000 other right-wing special-interest groups’ influence on local, state and federal legislatures, courts and executive-branch positions.

    23. E, all merc’d out:
      I’m the polar opposite of adopting this, but the rightist take on Australia is that the populace gave up their guns and that enabled the government to overreach with COVID lockdowns.

      Those people aren’t going to change their minds no matter what. Whip up your base and go for all the others. Moderates, fence-sitters, etc. Make the case. At least fight for it and emphasize it.

      FWIW, I’m cynical that anything will change. I mean, Sandy Hook happened…and…then….what?

    24. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Well, now that we agree that this is a terrible and pervasive problem, and have found a number of reasonable changes to lessen the risk of this happening over and over, all we need to do is eliminate the NRA’s and 1,000 other right-wing special-interest groups’ influence on local, state and federal legislatures, courts and executive-branch positions.

      Sadly, Jowles, down here in TN and many other states, lots of people do not agree that this is a problem. Stupid slogans like “If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns” rule the day. I’ve seen that bumper sticker many times over the years…

    25. Donald Trump just last week retweeted (well, “ReTruthed”) a post that called for, or at least endorsed, civil war. That’s right, a former US president seems pretty chill with the idea of civil war.

      That’s why they think they need their guns so badly. Because they think they are going to be shooting it out with the libs in the streets in the very near future.

    26. My grandfather was from rural Texas. Everyone had a gun. Everyone had a gun rack in their car. No one had an Ar-15 though.

    27. ***That’s why they think they need their guns so badly. Because they think they are going to be shooting it out with the libs in the streets in the very near future.***

      But I thought street libs were the ones doing all the gun violence in the first place.

    28. JK47:
      Donald Trump just last week retweeted (well, “ReTruthed”) a post that called for, or at least endorsed, civil war. That’s right, a former US president seems pretty chill with the idea of civil war.

      That’s why they think they need their guns so badly. Because they think they are going to be shooting it out with the libs in the streets in the very near future.

      Over the years, I’ve had friends, coworkers, students, etc. who seem to be pretty level-headed people who own guns and are adamantly opposed to any gun control. They view gun ownership as a “right” that the gov’t should not intrude upon in any way. Trying to discuss the 2nd amendment with them is folly, I found out long ago, but supposedly only about 1/3 of Americans are gun owners, so what about everyone else?

    29. I own a gun. And I am 100% for strict gun control. But I got it because when I was out of town once Lady Walsh felt threatened by people outside of our house and called the police. It took them 18 hours to respond. I hate guns, and have no interest in firing it, or showing it off, or talking about it. But I think it’s reasonable (especially for a multiracial family living in the most segregated city in America) to not feel beholden to the local police for protection. I have the feeling that this is the way that the vast majority of gun owners feel, but, like with everything else in America, the wretched two-party system has to polarize every issue and turn every square inch of common ground into a godforsaken “slippery-slope”.

    30. One of the more significant causes of the problem with implementing even small measures to reign in the abundance of gun violence is that the Repubs seem to be controlled by a small group of zealots and gun lobbies which has an oversized impact on the outcomes. Until that is overcome, these violent events will continue unabated.

    31. Nate Silver put it well yesterday:

      People don’t want to give the other side “wins” even when they support the change at the margin because of the heuristic of “they won’t stop there”.

      That’s pretty much the whole thing in a nutshell, and it’s why you get slippery slope arguments and “door reform.”

    32. People can have a right to bear arms without having free access to an AR-15.

      The country can support a well regulated militia without having more guns than people.

      There’s plenty of reasonable enough middle grounds. America is nowhere near any of them.

    33. Anyways, I’m not as high on Marhurin as others here but I don’t think he’d be terrible at 11.

      In fairness to Z-Man, I’m likely overly down on Duren. At minimum he has more upside than Williams and should probably be drafted ahead of him. He’s young enough to add to his very raw game, whether he does it…

      If you haven’t noticed, I’m high on Eason and think we should draft him over basically anyone else at 11. But there’s downsides to him too. He’s overaggressive on defense, often fouling out and overinflating his stocks. To be fair, that was LSU’s scheme and Thibs should be able to play under control. Eason also played C and won’t have the same mismatches in the NBA (at least under Thibs, I’d live to see an Obi/Eason frontcourt). He’s also an older freshman at 21, some of his strong finishes through players may disappear in the NBA.

      I’m liking Branham & Jalen Williams more and more at 11 for their scoring upside.

    34. Because I can’t think about this country for a bit without my head exploding, I’ll add that I also like Eason but can’t see the Knicks taking him unless they truly see him as a small-ball five.

      The guy I keep coming back to is Johnny Davis. Draftniks are wildly split on him — either he’s a top-5 player or not even worth a look at no. 11. Maybe he’s worth the risk? I know the efficiency isn’t there, but he has a lot of different skills.

      Aside from those two, I like Sochan even though he’s a bit of a project, but I’m also not high on Mathurin. Obviously Ivey or Daniels would be great fits if we can get them. Otherwise, a trade down would be fine.

    35. I always find it kind of hilarious how a major staple of the combine videos seems to just be the draftee just dunking in an empty gym. How much useful information can you get from a workout that is just a guy with a ball?

      I saw one of Mathurin and he can definitely dunk.

    36. Davis put up impressive counting numbers but struggled with efficiency. Supposedly he also played through some ankle issues which could’ve diminish his efficiency. Also, his 3P% is most likely going to be better in the NBA based on his FT% (his 2P% was still a little low accordingto tankathon).

      Reportedly Davis plays very good on-ball defense, which is insane for a guy with a 32% USG who also grabbed 8.7rebs at 6’6″.

      I don’t like the idea of pairing another inefficient high-usage player with RJ, or high-usage low efficiency players in general, but it’s hard not to like a guy who worked that hard every game. Thibs will love him. And apparently, Davis loves Thibs too.

    37. The Rose Regime has tended to draft highly productive college players, so that might favor someone like Davis or Branham. On the other hand, I suspect Sochan and Sharpe are less likely Knicks targets.

    38. Johnny Davis took a lot of ill advised, low percentage 2-pointers as a college player because he was the #1 scoring option there. He’s more of a catch and shoot guy, or a guy who will make a crafty move then shoot a step back jumper than he is an explosive rim attacker.

      By all accounts his defense is excellent, and his spot up shooting numbers are very good. Seems like he could be a good two-way player if he plays within his limitations. I think he’s a relatively high-floor kind of player, a bit like our own Quentin Grimes but just a better and more versatile overall player than Grimes.

    39. Early Bird: In fairness to Z-Man, I’m likely overly down on Duren. At minimum he has more upside than Williams and should probably be drafted ahead of him. He’s young enough to add to his very raw game, whether he does it…

      Appreciate it, EB. I probably wouldn’t draft him based on what I know right now, my point was that if Leon’s guys convince him that he’s the guy, I would trust them based on how well they have drafted thus far. But I understand the skepticism.

      I’m not super impressed with the film I’ve watched of Eason. There’s something about him that reminds me of a generic big wing that never really develops much, like a Derrick Williams or Noah Vonleh. But again, if the FO likes what they see, I’d have to trust them.

      The guy I’m most out on is Johnny Davis. I know some scouts love him but he just seems too meh for what he offers. Maybe I’m jaded by how ordinary he looked against Colgate in the opening round of the NCAA. Some people say “fluid” but I see “slow and small”.

    40. I would probably prioritize Dyson, Mathurin and Sochan over the other wings. None of the guards likely available excite me at all, and Duren is, well, Duren.

    41. Z-man: I’m not super impressed with the film I’ve watched of Eason. There’s something about him that reminds me of a generic big wing that never really develops much, like a Derrick Williams or Noah Vonleh. But again, if the FO likes what they see, I’d have to trust them.

      Yeah, there’s a reason he’s not the highest on draft boards and it’s possible he flops on offense. But he looks a lot more athletic to me than Vonleh ever did, faster and with more wiggle on his drives.

      Derrick was obviously a better offensive player in college, and his NBA struggles don’t bode well for Tari, but Eason looks like a shutdown defender. Williams… not so much.

      I also don’t get the love for Sochan outside of, hey maybe there’s upside? I do get it, but I think he’s being heavily overrated.

    42. While I’m posting too much anyways, I’ll plug my Jaylin (not Jalen) Williams sleeper again.

      Shooting promise, passing, high-level defense, driving, & fluid with the ball at PF/C.

      Here’s his combine game highlights, which actually represents his strengths pretty well.

    43. Davis and Sochan are two of the toughest cases in this draft for me.

      Originally I had more or less written Davis off as a chucker and not much else, but on closer inspection a few things standout. His bad 2PT% is pretty much completely attributable to all of this midrange stuff you would hope he cuts out at the next level in a more circumscribed role, he finished at the rim at a 62% clip on high volume (59% as a freshman)–a tick higher than Ja Morant as a sophomore. The eye test more than supports the idea that he’s a talented penetrator, he finishes with both finesse and fairly eye popping athleticism. I’m not worried about his 3PT% because he shot 79% at the line on a boatload of attempts and only 65% of his 3s were assisted.

      I guess the question is what he looks like as a non-ball dominant player, since he almost definitely won’t be good enough in the NBA to justify his college usage rate. He definitely has a lot of talent but you do worry about guys transitioning to an entirely different role. Overall if he’s available my guess is there will be someone I prefer, but it’d be an interesting gamble.

      Sochan is an athletic monster and it’s definitely fun to picture him in lineups with Obi et al. I just don’t know what kind of player you’re looking at if the shot never comes around. I don’t think he’d be a complete bust because he should be a good enough switchable defender and transition player to have some kind of role, but with no jumper at all you’re still probably disappointed with him as a lottery pick.

    44. Sochan looks to me like a Harrison Barnes or Jerami Grant type player without the shooting. Maybe Kyle Anderson? Dime store Ben Simmons?

    45. Considering Thibs aversion to small ball I dont think Sochan will be an option. Starting to warm up to Davis a lot he played with not so great spacing in college that explains the not so great efficiency.

      If we are swinging for the fences I think Davis, Mathurin and Eason have the most potential with the latter two having all star potential.

    46. Hard to see the Mavs pulling another one out. There’s only so much Luka can do.

    47. Have only watched a little of this series, but every time I tune in I get some great Frank-In-The-Headlights offensive moments…

    48. Hearing my name taken in vain…

      Gun control advocates actually have LESS influence on American politics than they did 30 or 40 years ago. How many other issues have become more conservative and less liberal in that same time? I would think that would cause some reflection on the part of gun control supporters but I would apparently be wrong about that. Believing the American public has ONLY gotten stupider and more evil on the subject of guns must be more comforting.

      At least this time some inconvenient details have emerged before we got another Jack Tapper struggle session on CNN.

      Mike

    49. Imagine 19 children are gunned down in a classroom and you’re still digging in your heels.

      I’m not really understanding the CNN reference. Mostly because I don’t watch CNN. Does that mean I’m not liberal? I’m pretty sure I’m liberal. But I can read, so why would I watch an entertainment-news channel? Do you watch Fox News, Mike?

    50. swift, if you ever want to roast me, just look up the posts I made after the 2020 season about how GSW should trade their core and rebuild.

    51. I believe this is the inconvenient detail revealed to CNN.

      Texas DPS official tells CNN officers did not try to engage the gunman inside the school because “if they proceeded any further not knowing where this suspect was at, they could have been shot. They could have been killed”

    52. Yeah, I always find it inconvenient when there’s a mass shooting going on and I might get shot and killed. Strange.

    53. This is not a banner day for the “good guy with gun stops bad guy with gun” line of reasoning

    54. I know we’re discussing yet another in a seemingly endless stream of embarrassingly preventable, indescribably horrible tragedies, but on the bright side Portland is apparently interested in Julius Randle.

    55. paullydub:
      I know we’re discussing yet another in a seemingly endless stream of embarrassingly preventable, indescribably horrible tragedies, but on the bright side Portland is apparently interested in Julius Randle.

      I saw something on Twitter saying that, but I wasn’t sure it was real and could not find confirmation. Where did you see it?

    56. Let’s hope it’s credible. Last year I wanted a Dame-Julius pairing. This year I want it even more but for completely different reasons!

    57. I think that’s what I saw. I think Portland would want to pair Randle and dame, not trade Dame.

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