Knicks Morning News (2022.01.19)

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    1. It’s time for a new coach. Thibs’s jolt has run its course.

      He’s average at best strategically and philosophically, he’s well below average. Was badly outcoached in the playoffs. Just nothing there worth the headache and baggage and he’s overtly detrimental to the development of young players and seems to almost revel in not giving a shit about them or their development. Putting Immanuel Quickley, who’s been an excellent fourth quarter player all year, back on probation is the last straw.

      I’ve seen enough.

    2. Unfortunately I think Thibs is very well protected by his 5-years (3.5 remaining) hefty contract.

      It would probably take a Dolan’s berserker rage moment (a la Rangers/Tom Wilson 2021 spring) to displace him.

    3. E, hold on a moment. I’m surprised. Are you saying you don’t think Thibs is the right coach for this team? Is this a new opinion? Because if you’ve felt this way for a while, I feel like you should have spoken up sooner.

    4. Of course, the other, more collegial interpretation is that I had him pegged pretty much from the get-go. What’s sort of seen in many quarters as “contrarian on purpose” or “trolling” kinda turns out to have been, in reality, something akin to “perceptive foresight.”

      It was a bad hire; a Band-Aid on a problem that needs far more than a Band-Aid. They’re in almost the purest form of NBA purgatory — a good chunk of it as a result of his philosphical influence — with no hope of getting out with him as the coach.

    5. for the sake of his kid, Randle should ask out of NY… the vitriol he’ll be exposed to about his father isnt worth it… they showed him a couple of times on the NBA TV broadcast last night and I just felt bad…

    6. The Knicks do not need a point guard who’s shooting .253 from downtown this year and .315 for his career. Hardest of passes.

    7. KJG:
      for the sake of his kid, Randle should ask out of NY… the vitriol he’ll be exposed to about his father isnt worth it… they showed him a couple of times on the NBA TV broadcast last night and I just felt bad…

      I missed that (I muted the TV when they’re not playing). What’s the story? Why the vitriol?

    8. I missed that (I muted the TV when they’re not playing). What’s the story? Why the vitriol?

      He’s saying that Randle’s kid shouldn’t have to hear the vitriol about Randle. As for the Randle vitriol, that’s been happening for a while now, that’s why he did that whole “Shut the Fuck Up” thing.

    9. Yeesh..I don’t really know what to say. Not only did we lose the game we HAD to win on Monday, but we lost our 2nd straight at home last night. Disappointment doesn’t even begin to describe how I feel about that. Dammit LaMelo was out Monday, and we should be better than Minnesota. Not to take anything away from them though- they have 3 legit weapons plus Pat Bev to spearhead a defensive effort shift, and have played really well when healthy. But with Thibs and our defensive ability plus the added shot creation and scoring, we should be better than them. Aside from that- I was happy to see Kemba last night. Though, we probably are playing him to hopefully increase his trade value. I know it’s still relatively early, but it’s starting to look like we won’t even make the play-in with efforts like Monday and last night. I hope I’m not overreacting and the team pulls it back together, but the schedule is about to get..I dunno..daunting seems like too light a word lol.

      Yeesh

    10. Ah okay, thanks Brian.
      While I understand critics (and even boos) to Randle as a basketball player, many “fans” (read: dickheads) went overboard on social media.
      Personal and family attacks are cowardly and they must be no part of sports discussion, it’s sad and the Nth evidence of the road this society’s going.

    11. But his kid *should* hear him saying “Shut the fuck up” to the fans, the vast majority of them who just bought a really expensive ticket to help pay his dad’s salary?

      The cultural trend of the upper reaches of the economic and social pecking order continuing to rule any criticism of them out of order– and in many cases succeeding — is a far more troubling phenomenon than an overrated pro basketball player occasionally getting booed.

    12. Brian Cronin: He’s saying that Randle’s kid shouldn’t have to hear the vitriol about Randle. As for the Randle vitriol, that’s been happening for a while now, that’s why he did that whole “Shut the Fuck Up” thing.

      yes, thank you… i am all for writing how much i dislike his game on this board as an opinion amongst friends… but I’m not going to berate him publicly and with as much passion as we’ve seen… and in the very rare chance we ever spoke one on one and he asked me what i thought of his game… id delicately, in some way, tell him he could play harder and smarter…

    13. The rumor is that Morey would also like to use Simmons to dump Harris’ contract and that Sactown is dumb enough willing to take both contracts on. Obviously, Fox would be in the deal, as would Bagley, I assume, but who else would have to be involved for it to actually make any sense for Philly? Buddy Hield?

      PG Fox
      SG Curry (with Maxey as the backup point and shooting guard and thus playing a lot still)
      SF Thybulle/Hield
      PF Korkmaz/Niang/Bagley
      C Embiid

      Is that a playoff contender? Curry and Hield around Embiid would give them some intriguing shooters. Their power forward spot would be a mess, though, with either Thybulle or Korkmaz having to be a small ball power forward.

    14. E, all merc’d out:
      But his kid *should* hear him saying “Shut the fuck up” to the fans, the vast majority of them who just bought a really expensive ticket to help pay his dad’s salary?

      The cultural trend of the upper reaches of the economic and social pecking order continuing to rule any criticism of them out of order– and in many cases succeeding — is a far more troubling phenomenon than an overrated pro basketball player occasionally getting booed.

      yea… it wasnt handled correctly

      In basketball related news.. how bout that call on Taj’s 6th foul… and how come no one took my advice and punched Russell in the face after his second swipe through…

    15. If the centerpiece to get Simmons is only Fox, the Knicks should be stepping in and beating that offer.

    16. Brian: Fox, Hield, and Bagley for Simmons and Harris works under the cap, per the Trade Machine.

    17. I think it’s valid for our reactions to be so extreme, but we should acknowledge that we are being extreme.

      This is what mediocrity looks like. Sometimes when you’re mediocre, unexpected things like ISM, a 2nd team All NBA season from Randle, and the Derrick Rose rejuvenation happen and you go on a nice run. But these are just reasonable random occurrences.

      This is the path Leon Rose has us on. Thibs is a very good coach but he can’t turn water into wine. When manna and quail fall from the sky, we’re gonna be thrilled. When it doesn’t, it’s gonna be like this.

    18. If the centerpiece to get Simmons is only Fox, the Knicks should be stepping in and beating that offer.

      Oh, that’s not enough to get Simmons alone (and I think the Sixes have been clear on that), but it’d be getting Simmons and taking Harris’ contract. I think Fox gets closer to being a reasonable centerpiece at that point.

    19. Of course, sometime manna will fall from the sky, but Leon Rose will say “I just had breakfast” and trade it for less manna next year.

    20. Brian: Fox, Hield, and Bagley for Simmons and Harris works under the cap, per the Trade Machine.

      Probably the deal would also include draft capital that the Sixers could then use to find a power forward? Man, it is hilarious how out of place Bagley is in the modern NBA.

    21. Thibs is a very good coach within a narrow, niche comfort zone, Otherwise, he isn’t.

    22. Brian Cronin: Oh, that’s not enough to get Simmons alone (and I think the Sixes have been clear on that), but it’d be getting Simmons and taking Harris’ contract. I think Fox gets closer to being a reasonable centerpiece at that point.

      I’d take Harris’s contract, too. He’s a better, more normal player than Randle. The Knicks should be all over that package if it’s only Fox, Hield, and Bagley.

    23. Yeah, I really want a guy who can’t shoot at all and who makes Randle look like the adult in the house. That’ll vault our team into contention and make them infinitely more fun to watch, I’m sure.

      Alan, you’re putting a guy who’s 6’5″ and 200 lbs at power forward? The dude can guard anyone, but it seems an odd place for the guy.

    24. I’d take Harris’s contract, too. The Knicks should be all over that package if it’s only Fox, Hield, and Bagley.

      Plus draft capital, I imagine, though. Not saying it still wouldn’t be worth it for the Knicks, just noting that picks would likely also be involved. Plus, who do the Knicks have that the Sixers wouldn’t mind playing to add up to Harris and Simmons? That’s a lot of money. I doubt the Sixers want Fournier’s contract. Fox, Hield and Bagley are a surprisingly decent trio who also make a shitton of money but would still play for Philly (and Bagley is an expiring deal and Hield has just a year left after this season).

    25. In any event, I imagine the Sixers will probably just end up trading Simmons one-for-one for a good young player.

    26. But I thought Leon was getting us in a position to pounce when a disgruntled star became available? He can’t even beat a package of Sacto’s bad contract backwash? Hmmm. That’s a bit surprising.

      Randle is part of the package you send out. He doesn’t fit with Simmons, anyway. (*) Then you go from there. You finally get a young star point guard of the ilk that everyone bitches about not having for 30 years. Or is Ben Simmons yet another player we’re going to condescend to deign beneath the Knicks?

      (*) He really doesn’t fit with anyone, but let’s not venture outside the scope here.

    27. E, criticizing Thibs is fair, but firing him is insane. There’s no coach in the league that’s going to come in here and make us any better than we are. And at least Thibs has a floor. We’re a credible organization now. Firing him would probably lead to chaos.

    28. I’m tempted to say we shouldn’t make any big moves this year. I don’t see anything being offered that appears worth a wholesale change that costs us significant draft capital. Retooling along the edges makes a bit more sense.

      I’d trade Fournier & maybe Burks to open up playing time for Grimes & Reddish. Also for whoever we draft this year. That’s about it.

      Randle is at the nadir of his value. Hope he bounces back a bit next year, then deal him. For RJ you keep crossing your fingers that it clicks for him.

    29. Brian Cronin:
      In any event, I imagine the Sixers will probably just end up trading Simmons one-for-one for a good young player.

      Don’t they have to roughly match salaries? Where are going to find a good young player that makes roughly $35M a year?

    30. Being “better” this year doesn’t matter to anything and I see things as chaotic right now. The Kemba to-and-fro is chaotic. The “STFU” thing is chaotic. The “backup quarterback” thing — chaotic.

    31. Alan, you’re putting a guy who’s 6’5? and 200 lbs at power forward? The dude can guard anyone, but it seems an odd place for the guy.

      Where did I do that? Admittedly, I’m supposed to be recapping Book of Boba Fett right now (and what a disappointment that show has turned out to be), but I don’t instantly recall such a thing.

    32. It probably won’t be necessary, but honestly the Knicks should overpay if necessary to get Simmons here.

    33. E, all merc’d out: He can’t even beat a package of Sacto’s bad contract backwash? Hmmm.

      You do realise this is all speculation. Yet somehow you seem to know that Leon has already made a mistake. But you missed a trick this time in not also tying it to Thib’s incompetence–your slipping.

    34. BernieEarnie: You do realise this is all speculation.Yet somehow you seem to know that Leon has already made a mistake.But you missed a trick this time in not also tying it to Thib’s incompetence–your slipping.

      Do they have a package that can get Simmons? If they do, then it should be easy for us to outline one. If they don’t, well if they don’t we should probably cease with the idea that they’re just one trade away from “really doing something” and that somehow “Leon has a plan.”

    35. Alan: Where did I do that?

      Apologies — unless you edited it after I looked, somehow I had you putting Matisse at PF in that lineup. My bad (still first cup of coffee here…). A strong motivator for a personal STFU.

    36. E. why do this? Honestly? You could be a real person with valid ideas and opinions, but it’s never gonna shine through if you act like this.

      For example, you actually have a fair point above lost amid all the crazy talk: we really don’t have a good package to put together for Simmons.

    37. ***E. why do this? Honestly? You could be a real person with valid ideas and opinions, but it’s never gonna shine through if you act like this. For example, you actually have a fair point above lost amid all the crazy talk: we really don’t have a good package to put together for Simmons. That’s a strong indication that Leon isn’t doing as well as some think.***

      He also had a nice Mulholland Drive reference yesterday that neither Jowles nor I commented on because it’s really gotten that bad here for him…

    38. Apologies — unless you edited it after I looked, somehow I had you putting Matisse at PF in that lineup. My bad (still first cup of coffee here…). A strong motivator for a personal STFU.

      He didn’t do the lineups period, though. That was me. Thybulle’s only six five, but he has a six eleven wingspan. He’s sadly probably a better power forward defensively than Korkmaz, who is two inches taller than him. Really, though, the Sixers are going to need a new power forward if they deal Harris.

    39. I’m tempted to say we shouldn’t make any big moves this year. I don’t see anything being offered that appears worth a wholesale change that costs us significant draft capital. Retooling along the edges makes a bit more sense.

      Nah. We should fire the coach, trade all the vets and let McBride play 40 minutes a night so he “develops.”

    40. Don’t they have to roughly match salaries? Where are going to find a good young player that makes roughly $35M a year?

      The NBA’s 125% rule means that they could trade Simmons straight up for anyone making $25 million. Most good young players make around that money. You could always add in a filler guy that would be cut if they’re short a million or so.

    41. Hubert: For example, you actually have a fair point above lost amid all the crazy talk: we really don’t have a good package to put together for Simmons.

      Let’s focus on that, then.

      There’s no antagonism from me in the least. People are just getting jolted out of their complacency and facing reality. (*) Deflecting and refracting that goes with the territory.

      Where is this organization going? If after all this, it can’t beat Sacramento for Ben Simmons — yes, it’s hypothetical, but it’s now in the press and it makes sense that Sacto would want to shake things up — then where’s this headed? And what’s next?

      (*) “Leon’s plan is trying to stay competitive while at the same time trying to get a superstar.” OK, fair enough. Now a superstar or something very close is on the open market. Twenty-five years old. Point guard. Where’s Leon?

    42. Call the end of the world after a couple of horrific games is a big part of what we do here, with E leading the charge.

    43. He also had a nice Mulholland Drive reference yesterday that neither Jowles nor I commented on

      I noticed that, too!

      This is the frustrating thing about you, E. I can see the shape of a valuable board contributor in you. But it seems like you would rather troll us than be part of us.

    44. I’m supposed to be recapping Book of Boba Fett right now (and what a disappointment that show has turned out to be), but I don’t instantly recall such a thing.

      I made it through the first 20 minutes or so and turned it off…

      something is just seriously off with the star wars stuff for me the last few years…I don’t know, between the B movie “campiness” and the ultra low budget looking set designs, the stuff is nearly unwatchable, even for a fan…

      calling the recent star wars offerings disappointing may be too kind…

      roast them al…

      i don’t think it helps that they’re on the same platform with the marvel stuff…the Hawkeye mini series is pretty good, I’m enjoying that….

    45. There’s no antagonism from me in the least.

      Bullshit.

      People are just getting jolted out of their complacency and facing reality.

      Yes, they are. And that sucks to go through. Don’t pour salt in the wound.

      Understand something: an optimist can take a victory lap because everyone is happy when he’s right. But a pessimist who takes a victory lap is a dick.

    46. I think now is a good time to take a step back and remember that arguably our best player both last and this year (who doesn’t start for some reason), Derrick Rose, has been injured for quite a while.

      Also, our record isn’t much different from this time last year. The East just got better during the offseason while our Kemba/Fournier plan fell kinda flat.

      Despite these failings, the roster is still decently positioned. I think the goal is to have a full lineup of “vets” that can win games (Kemba/RJ/Fournier/Randle/Mitch or Noel) and one of “young guys” who are positioned to be the future of the team (McBride and Quickley/Grimes/Reddish/Obi/Sims), with some obvious overlap in there.

      I think the FO is looking to upgrade as many of these positions as possible, hence the Myles Turner interest. At this point, I would be in favor of a Quickley + Noel + Samanic + Dallas pick for Turner trade. I feel like Quick has hit his ceiling as a short tweener guard who cannot get to the rim very well and a Turner upgrade would be very valuable for Randle’s game.

      Clearly, we need an upgrade at starting PG (no, Deuce isn’t ready), but that seems tricky. Yet you still have Mitch to sign or trade and all our original draft picks, plus the Rose/Kemba combo to ride out the year with. Then next year you have expiring Kemba, expiring Fournier the following year, new rookies, and hopefully, improved young players.

      I think we just shouldn’t expect much from this year, but at least our future hasn’t been mortgaged like it would’ve been in the past.

    47. too funny, yeah man E’s become that crazy old guy on the corner waving around his ‘The End is Near’ sign. …

      with like 20 even more depressing and fatalistic signs back at the house…

    48. with like 20 even more depressing and fatalistic signs back at the house…

      ^ too true!

      Btw, if you don’t mind me asking… where the hell did you come from, Just a Bush?

    49. Just a Bush:
      too funny, yeah man E’s become that crazy old guy on the corner waving around his ‘The End is Near’ sign. …

      with like 20 even more depressing and fatalistic signs back at the house…

      I chuckled.

      There’s no victory lap here. It’s undeserved and not really my thing and wasn’t the spirit in which I posted in the least although it certainly appears as if it was the spirit in which the audience took it, which is always the fault of the writer or the performer.

      I do think the Knicks should go all out to get Ben Simmons. That’s all I got. He’s not the perfect star, but the perfect star is never going to become available, other than through the draft and then only very rarely. Forget about the coach, forget about the GM — that’s the move.

    50. I had a trade for Simmons and Harris that was better than the SAC package, but i’m not with the time (and patience) to look for it. It was a week ago or something like that.
      About the Knicks roster, i usually try to not have strong opinions after bad losses, because in times like this i’d probably fire everybody. So my suggestion remains the same of yesterday (and the day before, and…), maybe for a change we try a plan that includes a PG. How about that? Get us a god damn PG, Leon, is that so hard?

    51. You guys know that Myles Turner has a stress fracture in his foot, don’t you?

      If management decides to write this year off I definitely like the idea of trading Fournier and Burks and replacing them with Grimes and Reddish. I’d look to move DRose and Noel too. I doubt that management will take this path.

      I want Zion!

    52. I like Simmons, too, and think he is a great buy-low candidate. How about this trade:

      RJ Barrett, Kemba Walker, Alec Burks to Philadelphia

      Ben Simmons and the 76ers first round pick in 2022 to NY

    53. Hubert:
      I like Simmons, too, and think he is a great buy-low candidate. How about this trade?

      RJ Barrett, Kemba Walker, Alec Burks to Philadelphia

      Ben Simmons and the 76ers first round pick in 2022 to NY

      I’m not sure that’s win now enough for Philly. I also don’t think there’s enough talent there for us to get back a 1st. If anything we’d be sending out at least one 1st.

    54. The package would be something like Randle, Obi or Quickley, the Dallas 1 and a Knicks slightly protected 1 for Simmons and Harris.

    55. It’s definitely not gonna put Philly over the top. But I don’t think Fox is a win-now move for them, either.

      I broke it down as RJ & Kemba for Simmons (seemed fair), and we get the late the 1st for Burks (who is needed to make the salaries work).

    56. Just a Bush: too funny, yeah man E’s become that crazy old guy on the corner waving around his ‘The End is Near’ sign. …
      with like 20 even more depressing and fatalistic signs back at the house…

      LOLOL! The end is near!

    57. E, all merc’d out:
      The package would be something like Randle, Obi or Quickley, the Dallas 1 and a Knicks slightly protected 1 for Simmons and Harris.

      I might do that just as a not terrible way to dump Randle.

    58. Just a Bush: calling the recent star wars offerings disappointing may be too kind…
      roast them al…

      Star Wars is the Knicks of fictional universes! :D Go Alan!!

    59. The package would be something like Randle, Obi or Quickley, the Dallas 1 and a Knicks slightly protected 1 for Simmons and Harris.

      See, I don’t know if you deserve to criticize Leon Rose if this is what you would do!

      Ben Simmons is a distressed asset. And Tobias Harris at $40mm/year for two more years might be the most negative asset in the NBA.

    60. I think Philly is looking for a true superstar package. So the asking price is big.

      Fox isn’t great but he fits the superstar mold more than Burks or anything RJ has shown.

    61. Ben Simmons is healthy, not injured, so I don’t see him as a distressed asset and Philly isn’t treating him as one. Obviously, it would be better to get him at distressed prices, but there’s no indication at all that Philly will trade him on those terms.

      Harris is a wash with Randle, is arguably (probably) a better player, with fewer years left on his contract.

      Simmons is a bit high-maintenance and needs a certain mix of players around him, but if you can give him that mix, he’s an elite player. It would be up to the Knicks to get the mix right.

      I’d think Thibs would absolutely salivate over a long, elite perimeter defender like Simmons.

    62. something is just seriously off with the star wars stuff for me the last few years…I don’t know, between the B movie “campiness” and the ultra low budget looking set designs, the stuff is nearly unwatchable, even for a fan…

      Modern Star Wars has been a mixed bag for me. I liked Force Awakens, loved Last Jedi and Rogue One, thought Rise of Skywalker was a trash fire, found Solo completely forgettable, and have really enjoyed Mandalorian while not caring about most of what’s happening with Book of Boba Fett.

    63. I know what Morey wants. Doesn’t mean he’s going to get it. What I proposed doesn’t meet the criteria for a superstar, but I don’t think Ben Simmons is a superstar. He’s just an excellent basketball player who I’d like to have at a reasonable cost.

    64. We don’t have what it takes to get Simmons. Turner is injured. Fox has flaws but at least he would theoretically be attainable. Zion changes our future (sans 50 pounds) and should be our number one target.

    65. cybersoze:
      Call the end of the world after a couple of horrific games is a big part of what we do here, with E leading the charge.

      Don’t leave off screaming to trade all the players we’ve drafted if they aren’t franchise players soon after they reach puberty. :-)

    66. Morey is overrated.

      The best thing he’s done for the last several years is Tweet about Hong Kong.

    67. The is the package Philly is looking for is atypical as far as these kinds of trades usually go, as they’re looking for players who can help them win now as much, or more, than Simmons.

      We could probably make a reasonably competitive offer if they were looking for a more typical rebuild oriented package. Some combination of RJ, IQ, Obi, firsts, etc. We don’t have much in the win now department though, as evidenced by the fact that we’re not doing a lot of winning right now.

      I think the pendulum on Simmons has swung too far and would be happy to have him but I’m just not seeing the package.

    68. Ben Simmons is a very good player but doesn’t at all solve the Knicks “PG problem” if you understand that problem as being having someone who can give the offense both purpose and thrust in critical moments – Simmons is an overall negative as a half-court offensive player and even worse than that in crunch time. He does a lot of PG-shaped things that would help the Knicks over a course of a game but he’s not going to have the ball in his hands in a critical half-court possession.

      Beyond that I’d just be a little wary of bringing the league’s most high profile headcase to MSG. As far as I can tell he’s basically prepared to sit out an entire season to avoid getting booed by the Philly fans. How’s he going to deal with the NYC fans?

    69. I think all these reports of what Morey wants has tricked casual readers into thinking the league values Simmons as a superstar. But if Morey had received one offer valuing him as such, he would have jumped at it by now. He’s not getting those kinds of offers, he’s just floating them in the media. Ben Simmons is a distressed asset, and I would love to acquire him at a distressed price. But I would be very upset if we traded a true superstar package for him.

    70. thenoblefacehumper:
      The is the package Philly is looking for is atypical as far as these kinds of trades usually go, as they’re looking for players who can help them win now as much, or more, than Simmons.

      We could probably make a reasonably competitive offer if they were looking for a more typical rebuild oriented package. Some combination of RJ, IQ, Obi, firsts, etc. We don’t have much in the win now department though, as evidenced by the fact that we’re not doing a lot of winning right now.

      I think the pendulum on Simmons has swung too far and would be happy to have him but I’m just not seeing the package.

      Randle couldn’t be part of a win-now package?

    71. Don’t leave off screaming to trade all the players we’ve drafted if they aren’t franchise players soon after they reach puberty. :-)

      Such an insufferable shtick. I’m sorry Frank Ntilikina hasn’t panned out but it’s time to stop fighting yesterday’s war. There is literally not a single poster here who does this.

    72. My perspective is that Simmons isn’t worried about the fans; he’s pissed at his coach for throwing him under the bus after the Game 7 loss. I don’t blame him. (Plus he rightfully sees Joel Embiid as not really that great a fit for his skillset.) He’s done just fine in Philly.

      The Sixers were 5th in SRS last year. This year they’re 15th. That’s not a coincidence.

    73. In episode three of The Book Of Boba Fett, Boba teams up with a bunch of space mods who ride space Vespas that have a bunch of mirrors on them just like Earth Vespas. I half expected a pack of space rockers to show up and fight the space mods while the band at the cantina played “I Can’t Explain.”

    74. @Hubert,

      From my view, Burks is the only positive asset we’d be sending to Philly. And he’s not far enough above average to be a difference maker for most teams.

      At best, RJ is several years away and is currently still an atrocious player. He’s been better this month, but still far below average.

      Kemba is an injury liability and defensive liability. His offense is valuable on the nights he hits all his 3s. It happens often enough, but maybe not to offset his other issues.

      We’d arguably be getting the best 2 assets in that trade.

    75. Randle couldn’t be part of a win-now package?

      Right now I don’t think Randle is viewed around the league as a player who can help a team win a lot of games.

      Before people get mad at me, consider the fact that I’m not weighing in on anything other than how I think other GMs view Randle/his contract and I would love to be wrong.

    76. Wouldn’t a Lillard-Simmons trade make sense? Lillard is having a terrible season, but he satisfies Morey’s “star” requirement and Portland gets to go in a different direction with a Simmons/McCollum backcourt.

      Not sure what else it would take to make a deal work though.

    77. where the hell did you come from, Just a Bush?

      howdy hubie, i hope all is well in your world friend :)

      wait til you see the next one, i’m so excited i wanna switch already…

      i actually have the shirt: Just a Bush…bought it a few years ago to be cool with the kids…

      it’s hard to be cool when you’re pushing 60…

      recently came across it when i was putting stuff together for goodwill, i accidently bought two and don’t think i ever wore either…i love dichotomy between words and actions, kind of like when the martians kept saying they come in peace in mars attacks, then just space rayed everyone…

    78. Randle also just plays the wrong position for the Sixers. It can only ever make sense for them to take Randle if they can get off Harris as well as Simmons and they still wouldn’t have the primary perimeter creator they’re seeking. If we had the guard equivalent of Randle then maybe.

    79. Simmons is like the bizarro Fournier, so I think they would cancel each other out. And our garbage smells just as bad to the Sixers as it does to us, trust me.

    80. Fair points, EB. Simmons might be distressed but he isn’t that distressed. I also might be overvaluing RJ Barrett. I’m not sure he could crack their staring lineup. My amended offer is this:

      RJ, Rose, Burks, and the Dallas 1st for Simmons

      It doesn’t give them the star they’re looking for, but Rose & Burks will help now and RJ is still an attractive prospect. If Morey doesn’t want to take it, that’s fine. But I wouldn’t offer more.

    81. There’s no victory lap here.

      i’ll ya E, you got about as much chance of not being cynical as i do as to not be weird – be something else just ain’t in the fucking cards for us brother…

      just gotta be yourself, it takes too much damn energy to be anything else…

    82. How did I ever miss that!?

      i’m surreptitiously attempting to see if i can hide my normal syntax and tone to see how things flow for me here…

      i’ve come to notice – there are some folks who i can’t fool at all, not for a little bit, even if i change up my grammar…

      there’s such a strong sense of freedom that comes along with hiding in plain sight…

      plus, it’s fun messing with jowles from the sidelines…i know how you all will react to myself and one another, i like to see how folks respond when they get poked on a bit, by other people they’re less comfortable/familiar with…

    83. I mean, there is a very good chance that our FO does not want anything to do with Simmons. I suspect that might be true for a lot of teams. What he has done since the playoffs last year, refusing the play when he has so many years left on his contract, is outrageous, even if the team kind of threw him under the bus last year when they lost in the playoffs. The fact is, that playoff series loss was largely on him and his inability to shoot. Instead of being humbled by it, he was offended and has chosen to sit out all season.

      Maybe Leon looks at how the media and fan base is reacting to Randle being the star/highest paid player and having a down year with the team taking a step back and maybe he’s come to the conclusion that if they’re acting this way towards Randle, it would be a thousand times worse if Simmons comes here and refuses to shoot an open layup in the closing minutes of a playoff game.

      IF we think RAndle has thin skin cause he couldn’t handle being boo’d by fans, how thin is Simmons’ skin? Dude is choosing to not play basketball bc his feelings got hurt when it was rightly pointed out that he can’t shoot for shit.

    84. Hubert:
      Fair points, EB. Simmons might be distressed but he isn’t that distressed. I also might be overvaluing RJ Barrett. I’m not sure he could crack their staring lineup. My amended offer is this:

      RJ, Rose, Burks, and the Dallas 1st for Simmons

      It doesn’t give them the star they’re looking for, but Rose & Burks will help now and RJ is still an attractive prospect. If Morey doesn’t want to take it, that’s fine. But I wouldn’t offer more.

      I’m very down on RJ, so take it with a grain of salt.

      I think that might get it done if Morey is being honest with himself.

      Another younger team may also value RJ more. If we’re gonna move him for Simmons, I think it makes sense to send him to a 3rd team who sends Philly a win now player.

    85. The correct course of action is for us to do nothing unless it’s an obvious win for us trade wise.

      Let the season run it’s course. If the wheels fall off over the next 3 weeks, there is still plenty of time to do a Burks for a pick type trade. Moving Rose, Burks and/or Noel this offseason to clear cap space should be doable bc all 3 of them will be one year deals with team options.

      Side note, I think we have really understated how much missing Noel all season has hurt us. Last year Mitch was giving us pretty great defense at the starting center spot and when he went down, a lot of people thought the season might go down too. But Noel stepped into the starting spot and we didn’t miss a beat. The drop off from Mitch to Noel during the regular season ain’t much and if we had the Mitch of the last month all season with healthy Noel backing him up, our interior defense would be so much better. Taj is a workhorse but he’s super old.

      Not having Noel (and Mitch being out of shape to start the season) turned what was supposed to be a huge strength for this team into a weakness. That is a hard thing to overcome when a team doesn’t have a legit superstar top 10 player to lead them.

    86. swiftandabundant:
      The correct course of action is for us to do nothing unless it’s an obvious win for us trade wise.

      Let the season run it’s course. If the wheels fall off over the next 3 weeks, there is still plenty of time to do a Burks for a pick type trade. Moving Rose, Burks and/or Noel this offseason to clear cap space should be doable bc all 3 of them will be one year deals with team options.

      Side note, I think we have really understated how much missing Noel all season has hurt us. Last year Mitch was giving us pretty great defense at the starting center spot and when he went down, a lot of people thought the season might go down too. But Noel stepped into the starting spot and we didn’t miss a beat. The drop off from Mitch to Noel during the regular season ain’t much and if we had the Mitch of the last month all season with healthy Noel backing him up, our interior defense would be so much better. Taj is a workhorse but he’s super old.

      Not having Noel (and Mitch being out of shape to start the season) turned what was supposed to be a huge strength for this team into a weakness. That is a hard thing to overcome when a team doesn’t have a legit superstar top 10 player to lead them.

      Say what you will about the tenets of cockeyed optimism — at least it’s an ethos.

    87. Ben Simmons is sitting out an entire season because of a case of aggravated butthurt. I don’t care how good he dribbles or how good his defense is, he cannot be trusted. Hell no to that clown.

    88. So then the answer appears to be pretty much, “Yes, Knickerblogger is going to condescend to deign Ben Simmons beneath the Knicks.”

    89. Max:
      Ryan Arcidiacono is back (10 day contract), Solomon Hill waived.

      he showed enough in street clothes… thats saying something…

    90. Modern Star Wars has been a mixed bag for me. I liked Force Awakens, loved Last Jedi and Rogue One, thought Rise of Skywalker was a trash fire, found Solo completely forgettable, and have really enjoyed Mandalorian while not caring about most of what’s happening with Book of Boba Fett.

      Change “loved” to “enjoyed” for Rogue One for me and otherwise, I am exactly in tune with you here. My Book of Boba Fett joke was it was like Geoff Johns explaining why Barry Allen wore bowties. “Where did Boba Fett get that weapon he used in Mandalorian? Did anyone care?”

    91. I don’t see it the same way, JK47.

      I watch a lot of soccer. In those leagues, once a player makes a transfer request, he stops playing. Sometimes an owner digs in like Morey and a player is forced to sit a whole year until another team is willing to match the valuation. But no one — even the club you play for — expects the player to play while the executives are sorting it out because it would be a disaster.

      Once my club (Tottenham) tried to force Dimitar Berbatov to enter a match after he had made a transfer request, so he took his shoes off to make it known he wasn’t going in. That didn’t go over well, but he joined Manchester United a week later and no one cared.

      I think the Sixers just fucked up. They were too overt with their intent to trade him. They basically wanted Simmons to play for no other reason than to keep his trade value up while they waited for Lillard to become available.

      I know this isn’t soccer or europe, but if it were Simmons would be sitting out and no one would be batting an eye. And frankly I think it’s better that way.

    92. A great difference is that in top european soccer leagues all players have “implicit” no trade clause,
      they must accept their new destination or teams can’t trade them if they don’t agree with the trade.

      They can keep them on the bench all year or find an agreement for a buyout, but for instance can’t send a player to the worst team in the league without his consent*.

      The Sixers can trade Simmons wherever they want for the next few years.

      * The player must sign a contract with the new team (usually for a higher fee or more years) before the trade is complete.

    93. I think the Sixers just fucked up. They were too overt with their intent to trade him. They basically wanted Simmons to play for no other reason than to keep his trade value up while they waited for Lillard to become available.

      I’m not saying that they played it right, but Simmons clearly torpedoed a normal trade by being clear during the offseason that he would never play for the Sixers again. He didn’t even need to play for them. He just needed to say that he was willing to and they’d probably have gotten a deal done over the summer.

      I don’t think the Sixers were too unreasonable in thinking that Simmons would act somewhat rationally over the summer. It’s like a Prisoner’s Dilemma. You have to work together or neither of you will achieve your goals.

    94. It would give it about three months before New York Knick Ben Simmons started eating Vaseline on YouTube.

    95. By the way, my two cents on star wars….

      how is it that they allegedly created a whole universe but every story ends up in Tattooine?

    96. Hubert:
      By the way, my two cents on star wars….

      how is it that they allegedly created a whole universe but every story ends up in Tattooine?

      They have to keep going back to Tattooine for fan service reasons. You need to be able to have banthas and Tusken Raiders and the cantina band and all of that shit, or it won’t be Star Wars-y enough.

      The fan service in The Book Of Boba Fett is really over the top. Hey look, it’s that obscure character who was in a deleted scene from A New Hope! Hey, it’s that action figure I had in 1979, he’s back! ‘Sup, Walrus Man, I missed you!

    97. The argument that Simmons is a headcase with a bit of a weak spine doesn’t rely only on his actions this year either. There’s the mysterious case of his missing jump shot which he came into the league able to shoot semi-adequately, has reportedly been working on ever since, but has only become more and more hesitant to take over time. Also, the whole thing where he was totally unwilling or unable to take any kind of shot, including dunks and layups, down the stretch of their playoff games last season.

      Even if you think he’s totally justified in sitting out this season there’s still tons of red flags that bringing that guy in to play in front of the NY fans would be a disaster.

    98. Say what you will about the tenets of cockeyed optimism — at least it’s an ethos.

      I am team optimist but long term I don’t see the outlook of this franchise being bad just because this season hasn’t worked out the way we’ve hoped it would. I’ve reiterated why a thousand times. But my statement about us doing nothing isn’t so much about me being team optimist, more about being team patient.

      I see you calling for Thibs to be fired and Randle, Fournier to be traded and I just don’t see what good that does us right now. Like what would be the goal of doing these things? Making the playoffs this season?

      I think even if this season unravels over the next month, better moves will be available for us in the off season. I literally just said why I think this but here is why.

      1) Rose, Burks, and Noel will all be one year deals next season with team options. Noel is not an asset right now because of his injury. Rose probably still is but is also hurt. Even if the season continues to go south, those 2 coming back and showing they’re healthy will make both much more tradeable in the off season or next season. When healthy, all three of these dudes are productive, good vets on favorable contracts. So why ditch them now when Noel/Rose are hurt and not going to get us back anything?

      2) Firing a coach mid season when it’s someone like Thibs who has had good success in the league and has also led the Knicks to their most success in the last 7 years, would be a PR disaster for The Knicks. He isn’t Fizdale.

      3) Randle and Fournier aren’t “bad” contracts but neither are great bc of the struggles and season we’re having. Again, waiting till the summer or next season, they’re going to be more moveable, maybe even for assets.

      4) It gives us the rest of the season to evaluate what we really need. It gives us longer looks at the young guys and we can see what the vets are made of playing for a team that isn’t in the playoff race.

    99. Fans would be better served by creativity. I feel like I could give directions to Mos Eisley by now. Come up with something new. (And I did like Last Jedi, but the Salt Planet was not it.)

    100. Yeah, Brian. I meant to make a comment in this week’s recap about how Book of Boba feels so much like Solo, which tried to shoehorn explanations for everything about Han (name, teaming up with Chewie, getting the Falcon, Kessel Run, etc, etc) into one single adventure. And most of those were things that never needed explanations in the first place!

    101. I am pro acquiring Simmons at a reasonable price but I have no good rejoinder to the unlimited Knicksiness potential.

      I just want a young, talented, and consistently productive player on this team for what at least feels like the first time in my whole ass life.

    102. I’m a huge Star Wars fan, and when I saw the part in Solo where he got his name, I turned it off.

    103. I thought Solo was a reasonably fun way to spend two hours. It’s not in the pantheon of Star Wars content but I didn’t understand the hate.

      I haven’t seen the Book of Boba Fett yet and it sounds like I shouldn’t be in any rush. Too bad considering I enjoyed The Mandalorian, which I thought balanced fan service (sometimes deep into the canon, sometimes “hey cool it’s Luke Skywalker”) and experimental stuff pretty well.

      I give Rian Johnson credit for trying to change the script a bit and subvert expectations with TLJ but it definitely dragged on at times. Also thought he abandoned a bit too much of the foundation laid by TFA (I get that this was partially the point, but I don’t know why the Rey/Finn dynamic had to be trashed). Then again, RoS was a disastrous attempt to undo TLJ that was so, so much worse than TLJ warts and all, so it’s possible Johnson was right all along.

    104. I have nothing against Marvel, it’s just not what I grew up with. I’m a little jealous that they do such an incredible job while the Star Wars and DC people just run shit into the ground. Even the Star Trek reboot was better than anything I’ve seen from those two.

    105. I’m just so tired of Star Wars at this point. Like, I get it and don’t really need to explore it anymore.

      I thought the first one back Force Awakens was fun but the next two I didn’t really care for. Mandalorian has it’s moments. But I recently told my wife that I’m 44 years old and have been told to consumer Star Wars media for my entire life and I’m done. Same with Batman. There have been 7 Batman movies (plus Joker) in my life time. The first one came out when I was 12. So that’s like one every 4 years. Plus the DC movies that he’s in. I get the story. It’s not interesting to me.

      I’m getting close to feeling that way about Marvel. The only difference is that Marvel is for the most part really well done and there are enough different types of superheroes that I can watch them and feel like it’s something I haven’t seen yet. But even those I’m getting near the end.

      I LOVE James Bond and really loved the last of the Daniel Craig ones but afterwards I told my wife they should just let this franchise go. Craig did everything you can with it. Any reboot at this point is redundant.

      In other news…get off my lawn.

    106. Quick look at the play-in territory teams, current standings, and remaining schedule strength:Hornets | 7th seed | 19th-toughestWizards | 8th seed | 16thRaptors | 9th seed | 22ndCeltics | 10th seed | 26thKnicks | 11th seed | 2ndHawks | 12th seed | 21stAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh— Jeremy Cohen (@TheCohencidence) January 19, 2022

      A savvy front office would look at this and come to the conclusion that the team probably won’t be much better in games 46-82 than it was in games 1-45.

      If the Raptors, a season removed from a championship, didn’t consider it “below them” or whatever to make some future oriented moves that wound up getting them Scottie Barnes, I’m not sure why we should.

      I would probably consider it a mistake if Burks et al. are still on the roster post-deadline.

    107. Same with Batman.

      I don’t know if Batman can ever recover from Ben Affleck. That is something I wish I could unsee.

    108. The big tent pole Star Wars movies, the Skywalker Saga movies, just started cramming way too much shit into them. There are so many storylines that you don’t really care about any of them. There are so many “major” cast members that they have to relegate half of them to finding some pointless MacGuffin in some shaggy dog B-plot. The Disney sequels clearly got worse as they progressed. I appreciate what Rian Johnson was trying to do in TLJ but there is so much extraneous cheesy shit in that movie.

    109. Quick look at the play-in territory teams, current standings, and remaining schedule strength:Hornets | 7th seed | 19th-toughestWizards | 8th seed | 16thRaptors | 9th seed | 22ndCeltics | 10th seed | 26thKnicks | 11th seed | 2ndHawks | 12th seed | 21stAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh— Jeremy Cohen (@TheCohencidence) January 19, 2022

      To bring it back to Star Wars, don’t tell me the odds!

    110. A Tottenham and Knicks fan, next time you’re gonna tell us you’re actually a Jets and Mets fan too, Hubert.

      I think Morey fucked up and I stand by that, but it was a collective effort between him and Doc and Embiid throwing Simmons under the bus. Plus Elton Brand botching their rebuild by giving Harris his laughable giant contract.

      They devalued assets, went all in on a flawed roster, lost all flexibility to make moves with Tobias contract and then went looking for a huge haul for Simmons at his absolute lowest value possible.

      I do understand the idea that if the trade doesn’t make them a contender or gets rid of Harris, it won’t do much. But at the same time you have Embiid and his shaky health carrying a huge burden by himself and it’s clearly not going to end well for their potential title window. Morey thought Simmons would eventually come to his senses and he has lost that gamble.

    111. I’m excited to see what Amazon will do with the tolkien material they bought, but I’ll probably be disappointed.

    112. swiftandabundant: Same with Batman. There have been 7 Batman movies (plus Joker) in my life time. The first one came out when I was 12. So that’s like one every 4 years. Plus the DC movies that he’s in. I get the story. It’s not interesting to me.

      Looks like you were not “born in the darkness”. :P

    113. Well, Rian Johnson did try to break Star Wars out is its rut with The Last Jedi and, in my opinion, did a really great job but the fan boys revolted for daring to do something different and interesting so Disney basically retconned TLJ out of existence with Skywalker.

      I find most of the Marvel and DC stuff very boring. Basically everything Marvel does is ridiculously paint by numbers and DC is a constant mess (I’ll never understand why they handed everything over to Zach Snyder). The only stuff in either that I genuinely like is when James Gunn or Taika Watiti is involved.

    114. He doesn’t want to play for a coach that chose to scapegoat him personally at the end of a tough series loss and to (laughably) suggest that the team couldn’t win with him. Many NBA players would do the same thing, and it’s not remotely blameworthy. It’s no more complicated than that.

      Nor should we concern ourselves with hypothetical boos of hypothetical bad play when the team employs a player who has actually sucked, actually been booed, and actually unprofessionally lashed out. That’s a bizarre intellectual exercise that I’ll pass on. If that reads as the equivalent of wanting to cast out orphans or slay puppies, so be it.

    115. Relentless franchise monetizing at the movies is a malign development and kind of icky, although as with Star Wars and other franchises, there’s the occasional aesthetic success.

    116. someone explain to me the difference between a Disney adult and a Star Wars adult now that the Mouse owns the property

    117. I loved Star Wars growing up but can’t watch any of the originals anymore when they are on.

      LOTR is the gold standard. Slightly too long but the greatest fan service ever.

    118. The bone I will throw Simmons is I truly can’t remember the last time a player was thrown under the bus by his coach so blatantly. There was obviously a lot of truth to the idea that Simmons was uniquely responsible for the loss, but to not even try to coach-speak your way around that was genuinely bizarre.

      Having said that, he still seems like a head case and we don’t have a good history with those. And having said that, I would still be happy to have him because it would be nice to have a young player you don’t have to squint to appreciate.

    119. Randle + Burks + Kemba + Fournier + Knox + 2x 1RP for Simmons + Tobias + Thybulle
      Who says no?
      Knicks new starting 5: Simmons, RJ, Thybulle, Tobias, Mitch.
      We wouldn’t score a lot, but good luck in trying to score against our team. LOL

      This was my trade idea some days ago, we don’t have Knox anymore, we can send our superstar in the making (Reddish) instead. I think this is better than the SAC package, unless they are giving more 1RPs in the deal.

    120. Ben Simmons went full Richie Tenenbaum At Wimbledon the last time he was on a basketball court. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say he seems lack certain intangibles.

    121. thenoblefacehumper: The bone I will throw Simmons is I truly can’t remember the last time a player was thrown under the bus by his coach so blatantly. There was obviously a lot of truth to the idea that Simmons was uniquely responsible for the loss, but to not even try to coach-speak your way around that was genuinely bizarre.

      It was commented upon in real-time by at least some of us here. I can’t ever remember a coach saying something like that.

      I don’t see him as a head case anymore than I now see Chris Webber as a head case for not wanting to play for Nellie, who never did anything to C-Webb as Doc did to Simmons. He doesn’t have any obligation to make nice at the bullshit that got tossed his way. In basketball terms, he doesn’t see himself as a good fit with Embiid, and he’s right about that too. That doesn’t make him a head case either.

      Most GMs would have just traded him a long time ago and been done with it, but Morey just has to special snowflake peacock about everything and so here we are. That’s not on Simmons, either.

    122. JK47:
      Ben Simmons went full Richie Tenenbaum At Wimbledon the last time he was on a basketball court. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say he seems lack certain intangibles.

      It’s still Forest Hills, and some of us still beg to differ. His shitty series against ATL is a bit of a risk factor, to be sure. But he’s had many other series.

    123. I was just looking at some numbers…. I really think that trade I came up with before (Rose, RJ, Burks for Simmons) is very good.

      Think about the impact Derrick Rose made for us last year. It was the best trade of the year. If you want to win now, 42 minutes of Tyrese Maxey at PG in EC playoffs is not gonna get it done, but 32 minutes of Rose with Maxey there to keep him fresh, and you’re good to go.

      They also get to replace 24 negative minutes of Furkan Korkmaz with 24 minutes of Alec Burks. That is a swing of 3.4 BPM over half a game.

      And they get RJ Barrett. He probably can’t crack their playoff rotation, but he’s a guy you can sell to the fans if you’re Morey.

      And for us, we turn RJ and two players who don’t fit our win curve into Ben Simmons.

      That’s a great fucking deal. Someone forward this to Leon.

    124. I don’t want Julius Randle anywhere near Ben Simmons. I do agree that D-Rose is a sage addition to the deal and I’d offer him up. If Morey’s smart, he’d be intrigued; D-Rose is not even remotely a throw-in.

      Ben Simmons is the best perimeter defender in the NBA and a natural point guard at 6-10, great passer. He’s been the centerpiece of some excellent teams already at 25. I’d take him on my team in a heartbeat. I’d be 100% behind the proposals to throw in a little more and try to get Thybulle added to the deal.

    125. hi swift :)

      it’s a big investment of time i know, but, if you’d like something a little more age appropriate – you might want to try: Kingdom Come

      i promise everyone – i won’t push Kingdom Come as hard as i have Spartacus: Blood and Sand (which is in fact phenomenal)…

    126. I’ve come to respect Isiah Thomas more and more over the years as it becomes clear that Dolan will only hire front office guys who promise the Knicks will never rebuild.

      And no, it has never rebuilt. It tanked one year. It has lost games in pursuit of cap space so it can sign superstars. That’s not rebuilding. Rebuilding is a focus on asset accrual with no regard for short term success. Even star hungry brooklyn did it. The Lakers’ halfhearted rebuild after Kobe even was more committed than anything the Knicks have done.

      What Isiah understood was that if you were not going ot go the route the NBA basically told you you were supposed to go when your team gets bad, you’re essentially choosing to play “NBA GMing: Hard Mode” where playing it safe is 35 wins every year.

      Isiah, unlike nearly all other Knicks GMs, really pursued guys who had volatile values, guys with bad reputations or maturity issues who if they resolved them would become substantially more valuable. THat’s not something you can get if you just sign FAs like Courtney Lee or Evan Fournier…

      Moves like the Eddy Curry and Randolph trades embody this most. Curry was a brilliant scorer with a combo of athleticism and size that is super rare even in the NBA… he just had heart problems, both physically and in terms of his personality. Had he discovered a sense of discipline and love of the game, his had the physical equipment to be an all NBA player and was still just 22 when he joined the Knicks.

      My point here isn’t that Isiah was good but that he was closer to good within the limitation of not being allowed to rebuild. I think Isiah would have seen in Simmons not just the risk but the reality that without the upside of players like Simmons, there is no path to greatness for a team following The Dolan Rules.

    127. Oh my god they threw Ben Simmons under the bus!

      The funniest bit about E cheerleading for us to trade for a player we have nothing to offer the Sixers for is imagining how much he would loathe Simmons if he was on our team.

      Ben would be the most talented knick since maybe Ewing but pretending he’s not a really weird player with a lot of risk is pretty absurd. He refuses to shoot and he quit on his team when things didn’t go well.

    128. E, all merc’d out: The bone I will throw Simmons is I truly can’t remember the last time a player was thrown under the bus by his coach so blatantly. There was obviously a lot of truth to the idea that Simmons was uniquely responsible for the loss, but to not even try to coach-speak your way around that was genuinely bizarre.

      I wrote this earlier, but worse, and decided to delete it. You wanna talk about incineration? Doc Rivers took an All-NBA, All-Defensive team 6’10” Rondo in the first year of a five-year max and turned him into a nearly untradeable asset. Simmons’ 4-14 FT performance in game 5 ended their season, but Rivers’ sin was far worse. Teams lose all the time. Head coaches hadn’t tanked an All-NBA player’s trade value in a single sentence.

      Most GMs would have just traded him a long time ago and been done with it, but Morey just has to special snowflake peacock about everything and so here we are. That’s not on Simmons, either.

      You can criticize Morey for a lot of things, but demanding a return on a player with Simmons’ resume is not crazy. Other GMs would have traded him for the likes of Terry Rozier or Kelly Oubre. He’s got four years of Simmons’ contract to work with. Eventually, Ben is going to want to play. And waiting for, say, six months is worth it when you have a true superstar in Embiid and the championship window is the next three years or so.

    129. l2m says three mistakes — all in minny’s favor, including the very blatant d’lo push on the would-be rj steal. we are officially aggrieved. congrats everyone! oingo boingo.

    130. Latke is right. And you guys are right, too: Simmons comes with serious risk. But we’d have zero chance of getting him if he didn’t.

      Put it this way: we would be a good therapist away from an All NBA player. That’s closer than we’re likely to get otherwise.

    131. Randle, D-Rose, IQ/Obi, Burks, Dallas 1 and Knicks 1 (top 3 protected) for Simmons, Harris and Thybulle.

      That’s a competitive offer. Be in it to win it and if it takes more player assets, so be it.

    132. He doesn’t have any obligation to make nice at the bullshit that got tossed his way. In basketball terms, he doesn’t see himself as a good fit with Embiid, and he’s right about that too. That doesn’t make him a head case either.

      Even if this is all true, why not just play until you’re traded? He has made it harder for them to trade him by not playing bc it feeds into the idea that he is a diva/snowflake that has a fragile ego and isn’t open to criticism. I guess you could say he could risk injury but he’s in a long term deal right now. By refusing to play bc his coach was mean, he’s making it impossible for them to trade him. All he had to do was come back, play in regular season games, prove he is still a great player and he would be on another team right now.

    133. Hubert: Thibs and Simmons is one of the best matches you can make in the NBA. They’d love each other, and that kind of bond would go a long way towards eradicating Simmons’ sensitivity.

      Yep, that’s a niche circumstance where you might want a Tom Thibodeau around. No doubt.

    134. swiftandabundant: Even if this is all true, why not just play until you’re traded? He has made it harder for them to trade him by not playing bc it feeds into the idea that he is a diva/snowflake that has a fragile ego and isn’t open to criticism. I guess you could say he could risk injury but he’s in a long term deal right now. By refusing to play bc his coach was mean, he’s making it impossible for them to trade him. All he had to do was come back, play in regular season games, prove he is still a great player and he would be on another team right now.

      Because he doesn’t want to play for Doc Rivers anymore and understandably so. Doc turned their relationship into a pillar of salt which is entirely on him.

    135. Nor should we concern ourselves with hypothetical boos of hypothetical bad play when the team employs a player who has actually sucked, actually been booed, and actually unprofessionally lashed out. That’s a bizarre intellectual exercise that I’ll pass on.

      So the same fans/media who are going hard after Randle now aren’t going to do the same to Simmons? And the FO should trade for a guy who can;’t play right now cause his feelings were hurt by his mean coach?

      You have such double standards for the players you like vs. the players you hate. You literally said earlier in this thread that Randle shouldn’t care that his kid is at games where fans are booing him cause he’s wealthy but the FO should trade for a dude who refuses to play cause his coach criticized him for not shooting a wide open layup?

      Dude, Simmons is talented no doubt. Maybe he’s better than Randle (on, maybe not maybe). But he literally is refusing to play for an entire season bc his coach was mean to him. And you think he won’t act out worse than Randle has when he’s booed for missing free throws? I mean, there is no guarantee that any good player is safe from some of our fans if the team is struggling. You’re so certain if we trade for Simmons we’re immediately going to be so good that fans will never go after him and if they do, they shouldn’t do that because he’s Ben Simmons and not Julius Randle?

    136. Even if this is all true, why not just play until you’re traded? He has made it harder for them to trade him by not playing

      Because Carmelo Anthony happened, and everyone saw it.

      He was so professional that the team he went to drowned under the cost of acquiring him.

      Why should Ben Simmons do that?

    137. swiftandabundant: So the same fans/media who are going hard after Randle now aren’t going to do the same to Simmons? And the FO should trade for a guy who can;’t play right now cause his feelings were hurt by his mean coach?

      You have such double standards for the players you like vs. the players you hate. You literally said earlier in this thread that Randle shouldn’t care that his kid is at games where fans are booing him cause he’s wealthy but the FO should trade for a dude who refuses to play cause his coach criticized him for not shooting a wide open layup?

      Dude, Simmons is talented no doubt. Maybe he’s better than Randle (on, maybe not maybe). But he literally is refusing to play for an entire season bc his coach was mean to him. And you think he won’t act out worse than Randle has when he’s booed for missing free throws? I mean, there is no guarantee that any good player is safe from some of our fans if the team is struggling. You’re so certain if we trade for Simmons we’re immediately going to be so good that fans will never go after him and if they do, they shouldn’t do that because he’s Ben Simmons and not Julius Randle?

      Not if he plays well. If he plays well, with that kind of elite defense, the Garden will love him. And there’s zero reason to think he won’t play well.

      He’s in a different class altogether than Randle. Julius Randle got booed, therefore Ben Simmons will get booed? Based on what? The Randle precedent is meaningless.

    138. Simmons took 3 field goal attempts and had 8 assists in total across the seven 4th quarters of their series loss to Atlanta. Whatever Doc said after that didn’t cause the absolute meltdown he had in that series (and it’s not his first playoff disappearance act either).

    139. Not if he plays well.

      The fans don’t boo Randle when he plays well. They didn’t boo Melo when they played well. But you’re making this huge assumption that Simmons will automatically play well. Which he could. I have no doubt if we traded for him at first he would play well and the fans would love him.

      But then the playoffs would come around. It’s game 7 and the game is tied. Simmons is fouled. You trust he’s gonna ice those free throws?

      And if he doesn’t, you think the fans are gonna give him a pass? what about Berman? And when they don’t, you trust he’s gonna just brush it off cause he did so well with the criticism last time, right?

    140. Not if he plays well. If he plays well, with that kind of elite defense, the Garden will love him. And there’s zero reason to think he won’t play well.

      The fact that Simmons’ current fanbase will absolutely savage him every time he steps on that court for the rest of his career seems like a relevant datapoint in wondering whether Knicks fans might ever become frustrated with him.

    141. swiftandabundant: But you’re making this huge assumption that Simmons will automatically play well.

      Yes, really good basketball players tend to play basketball well. That’s not even an “assumption,” much less a “huge assumption.” Ben Simmons is a really, really good basketball player.

      No, I don’t just think he’s going to make those hypothetical free throws. He’s not a very good free throw shooter. Everything else about the fans and Berman that would happen in the wake of a missed free throw is imaginary. The fans don’t boo Julius Randle because he misses free throws.

    142. Also, sorry but who honestly cares that Doc threw him under the bus? The comments Doc made were in the post game press conference right after they lost the series. Maybe Doc shouldn’t have said that but like, you have all summer to get over it.

      Go to the gym and practice some free throws. Come back and play the game.

      Dude is mentally soft that he can’t own up to the fact that he has a huge weakness to his game that is holding him back. Hell, if he had come back and balled out, he probably could have gotten Doc pushed out for those comments. But nope. He had to sit out and collect millions of dollars and tank his own trade value. And this is the dude you’re clamoring for over Randle? You knock randle for telling fans to STFU who are booing him (in games we won by the way)…but you want Simmons who is paid more than Randle and is currently not playing for no reason other than his own pride? Dude, the bias is strong with this one.

    143. E, all merc’d out: Randle, D-Rose, IQ/Obi, Burks, Dallas 1 and Knicks 1 (top 3 protected) for Simmons, Harris and Thybulle.

      Recognizing that I took a vow of silence earlier specifically because I couldn’t read a simple lineup, the problem with this (and Cyber’s earlier version) is even if Philly agreed, Harris is shooting 31% from 3, Thybulle is shooting 28%, and Simmons shoots 14%. It’d be interesting, but you’re going to lose a lot of game 85-80.

    144. The advantage of Simmons over Randle is that Randle sucks something awful right now. Simmons is one of the best defenders in the league and just flat out better than Randle.

      And if he sits out, I’m not sure it’s much worse than Randle putting up a sub .500TS% so far this month.

      I’ll always love Randle for what he did last year, but I’d rather remember that 1 good year than keep asking him to do what he clearly can’t.

    145. swiftandabundant:
      Also, sorry but who honestly cares that Doc threw him under the bus? The comments Doc made were in the post game press conference right after they lost the series. Maybe Doc shouldn’t have said that but like, you have all summer to get over it.

      Go to the gym and practice some free throws. Come back and play the game.

      Dude is mentally soft that he can’t own up to the fact that he has a huge weakness to his game that is holding him back. Hell, if he had come back and balled out, he probably could have gotten Doc pushed out for those comments. But nope. He had to sit out and collect millions of dollars and tank his own trade value. And this is the dude you’re clamoring for over Randle? You knock randle for telling fans to STFU who are booing him (in games we won by the way)…but you want Simmons who is paid more than Randle and is currently not playing for no reason other than his own pride? Dude, the bias is strong with this one.

      Swifty, all you’re saying there is “Why are NBA players so sensitive about what their coach says publicly about them?” when there’s decades of evidence showing that they are. And this one is a particularly egregious example, said literally at the end of a tough series and saying literally that he didn’t think the team could win with him. That’s really it. It isn’t remotely surprising.

    146. Raven: Recognizing that I took a vow of silence earlier specifically because I couldn’t read a simple lineup, the problem with this (and Cyber’s earlier version) is even if Philly agreed, Harris is shooting 31% from 3, Thybulle is shooting 28%, and Simmons shoots 14%. It’d be interesting, but you’re going to lose a lot of game 85-80.

      Tom Thibodeau would be an excellent coach for that team and I’d endorse keeping him on.

    147. This is how it should have gone:

      Reporter: Do you think Ben Simmons can be a PG on a championship team?

      Rivers: Absolutely he can. He’s an All-NBA player with elite skills and athleticism. Whatever went wrong for him this game, we’ll get in the locker room and figure it out for next season. But he’s a hell of a player and of course we can win with a guy like that. We have. We will again.

      Rivers, as soon as he gets in Morey’s SCIF: Trade that weak ass fuckboi for someone we can win with.

      It’s really not that hard to see it another way. Are you the kind of guy, Swift, who walks onto a car dealer’s lot and tells the salesman that you want a very specific car, have no other options in mind, and no matter what happens, will be driving it off the lot that day? You understand leverage, right? The Sixers have none.

    148. I think Simmons knows he melted down in that series. As difficult as it probably was/is for his ego, he can probably handle that. I think he can’t handle his perception that the city, media, coach, and a few teammates turned on him a bit instead of being supportive. So he wants out. I guess there’s a legitimate debate about who said what and whether they could have said it better or he whether should have been able to handle it better. But the bottom line is he doesn’t want to play with or for people he thinks don’t value him and will turn on him if he has a bad series. Because of his contract, this was his only way to force a trade. When he comes back, I expect him to be the same player he was before, which is limited but very good at a few things.

    149. The Honorable Cock Jowles: This is how it should have gone:

      Reporter: Do you think Ben Simmons can be a PG on a championship team?

      Rivers: Absolutely he can. He’s an All-NBA player with elite skills and athleticism. Whatever went wrong for him this game, we’ll get in the locker room and figure it out for next season. But he’s a hell of a player and of course we can win with a guy like that. We have. We will again.

      Rivers, as soon as he gets in Morey’s SCIF: Trade that weak ass fuckboi for someone we can win with.

      100%

    150. He’s got four years of Simmons’ contract to work with. Eventually, Ben is going to want to play. And waiting for, say, six months is worth it when you have a true superstar in Embiid and the championship window is the next three years or so.

      I think you’re right and wrong.

      From a logical sense, yes you are right.

      But this gets into the human element. Try telling Joel Embiid we can wait 6 months because you have 3 more years of your prime. Oh, and in 6 months, we might not get anything better than we’re being offered now. If you have that conversation with him, he might be the next guy to request a trade.

      And the East is wide open, too. He has the chance to turn a zero into 2-3 players who can help them win a chip this spring. I think he absolutely has to take the best offer on the table. You can’t waste this season.

    151. I seem to have some heterodox views on all of this. I believe all of the following:

      1) Doc’s comment was uniquely shitty and counterproductive.

      2) The entirety of Ben Simmons’ time as a public figure leads me to believe he poses problems from a team chemistry perspective that could truly spiral in New York.

      3) I would still be interested in trading for Ben Simmons if it was possible to do so for a package that wasn’t franchise crippling, because the Knicks have arguably not had a player as good as him in 20 years (I said “arguably,” leave me alone).

      4) The Knicks don’t have a competitive package for Ben Simmons because the Sixers want players who can help them contend for a championship in 2022 and we have way fewer of those than other interested teams can offer. They’ve apparently already rejected a package with Barnes, Haliburton, and two firsts for example.

    152. Both of these things can be true:

      1. Doc Rivers was way out of line in his comments, that was a massive unforced error on his part that made the whole situation worse

      2. Ben Simmons lacks mental toughness, and this has manifested in several different ways during his career

      If you can get Simmons at a distressed price, then you have to consider it. But it’s probably going to require a giant pile of assets to get him, and that is just not worth the risk.

    153. The Sixers were probably one heroic shot from Kawhi Leonard away from winning a title. If you have a healthy Embiid (granted that’s always a question mark) you are only one high level player and some decent role players (which they have) away from a serious title run. All they really need is someone as good as Simmons to be back among the favorites to win a title, especially with the Nets big 3 constantly hurt or Kyrie trying to determine if he can fall off the end of the earth or some other such nonsense. Maybe I’m making this out to be too easy. I think Simmons is damn good. So it’s not that easy to replace him. But imo Morey is an idiot if he doesn’t make a trade because he feels like he has to steal every time he makes a move. Half the time he Fs up or overpays anyway. They are in a position to win now. Just call everyone up, evaluate the offers, take the best one, and go for a title.

    154. What if Harden is thinking (cof, cof) about going to the Sixers in the summer (opting out of his current contract) ? Maybe Morey wants to keep Simmons until then to get Harden via sign and trade with the Nets.

    155. They’ve apparently already rejected a package with Barnes, Haliburton, and two firsts for example.

      For serious? I haven’t seen that one! Wow! Hali really seems like a great get for Simmons.

    156. You’ve got to be very careful this time of year as treating reporting as solid that isn’t coming from one of the small handful of people who have earned that trust. It was some local Phlly reporter who put that out there I think but I haven’t seen any confirmation from any of the big guys. It’s hard for me to believe Philly would turn that down (but also I’m clearly lower on Simmons than most).

    157. What if Harden is thinking (cof, cof) about going to the Sixers in the summer (opting out of his current contract) ? Maybe Morey wants to keep Simmons until then to get Harden via sign and trade with the Nets.

      I imagine dumping Harris is very much about clearing room to sign someone big in the offseason, like perhaps Harden.

    158. The Last 2 minutes report is sickening, obviously they missed the loose ball foul on Russell but Holy shit the Towns And1 basket should’ve been called an offensive foul!! Blaming refs for a loss is really whining stuff but the refs literally cost the Knicks the game last night according to the NBA.

    159. Just a Bush:
      oh shit big blue, that was an L?

      for a minute – i thought milo had come up with some last 12 minutes of a game report or something…

      There was also a foul on KAT that wasn’t called that would’ve sent Fournier to the FT line with around 1min 40 left. The biggest one to me was the KAT And1 should’ve been called an offensive foul, you couldn’t possibly miss a call that bad that basically singlehandedly changed the outcome of the game.

    160. If we can move E to a sixers blog in the deal I’m all in for a Simmons trade

      DRed for GM

    161. Ben Simmons is extremely talented but is also a total headcase. Even if we could trade for him, and I don’t think we can unless we involve a third team to take Randle, I’m not sure that he’s cut out for NYC. I’ve never seen an NBA player wilt under pressure like he has and it’s not just last year’s playoffs.

      His regular season FT% has improved basically every year: 56%, 60%, 62%, 61%. But here are his FT% in chronological order for every playoff series he’s played:

      2018 1st round: 71%
      2018 2nd round: 69%
      2019 1st round: 58%
      2019 2nd round: 56%
      2021 1st round: 35%
      2021 2nd round: 33%

      It’s bad enough that he’s a bad FT shooter normally and doesn’t work on it but this kind of severe decline under pressure is unprecedented.

    162. evian’s post game from yesterday…

      i’ll tell ya, evian can talk basketball…he may not be the most physically gifted athlete, he can talk some basketball though…

      i think his mention of: not talking about what the other team is trying to do was directed towards the media and not at thibs…

      evian can talk basketball though…

      watched the mitch interview from after the charlotte game…it’s so cool to see his media skills growing…

      edit: just listened again to evian’s comment – maybe it was directed at thibs…

    163. But this gets into the human element. Try telling Joel Embiid we can wait 6 months because you have 3 more years of your prime. Oh, and in 6 months, we might not get anything better than we’re being offered now. If you have that conversation with him, he might be the next guy to request a trade.

      Maybe, but aside from asking Embiid to bolster his MVP case by making him carry the Sixers to 1st-round home court, there’s very little to be lost by waiting. If they fail to move Simmons before the trade deadline, then yeah, Embiid probably won’t be very happy about it. But they’re in position to have a solid playoff seed, and even if they don’t, the only thing that matters is that they turn their max contract trade asset into a deserving max player (or two underrated, underpaid players).

      I think there’s a very easy case to make to Embiid that short-term thinking is how they ended up with the Brand/Colangelo bullshit, and even though it might feel unpalatable, Morey needs to bring back serious talent if they want to be contenders. Selling Simmons for a Fox would be a huge miss. And is Embiid going to be happy if they trade Simmons and the overrated scrub they land doesn’t work out, either?

    164. ***My point here isn’t that Isiah was good but that he was closer to good within the limitation of not being allowed to rebuild. I think Isiah would have seen in Simmons not just the risk but the reality that without the upside of players like Simmons, there is no path to greatness for a team following The Dolan Rules.***

      This is a pretty interesting and well concluded post. But if we’ve gotten to the point of asking “what would Isiah do?”, then, really, why have E’s wall at all…

    165. I suspect that Rivers had been riding Simmons in private about his shooting for a long time and it was making Simmons worse, not better and leading to him shooting a lot less. I can imagine conversations like “why didn’t you take that open shot?” “ Well coach, you keep telling me I’m a terrible shooter”. Then when Rivers threw him under the bus publicly, it was just the culmination of a long process that Simmons didn’t like. Simmons probably felt “I’ve put up with this shit long enough. I’ve had enough.” I don’t think that makes Simmons a head case, but it does mean it’s going to be hard to get him shooting again.

    166. ***Maybe, but aside from asking Embiid to bolster his MVP case by making him carry the Sixers***

      Were you watching the 1st quarter when you wrote this?

    167. Most of the trades I see proposed for Simmons give up basically all our scoring for him. I don’t want to do that at all. And, to go against the grain here, I don’t want to trade Randle either. He’s come close to a triple double the last two games without forcing anything and being a good team player. Last game he had 21 points, 9 assists, 9 rebounds and only 3 turnovers. He did that on 15 shots and was +9 for the game. That’s a nice player to have. If he was a point guard we’d all be dying for a guard who performed like that.

    168. Donnie Walsh:
      ***Maybe, but aside from asking Embiid to bolster his MVP case by making him carry the Sixers***
      Were you watching the 1st quarter when you wrote this?

      You’d have to pay me to watch a midseason Magic game.

    169. Did anyone comment in the game thread about KAT talking on his phone immediately after the Wolves had won the game? I thought it was a little bit weird.

    170. ***You’d have to pay me to watch a midseason Magic game.***

      He was scoring 20 of the Sixers 25 points in the 1st Q as you posted.

    171. ***Did anyone comment in the game thread about KAT talking on his phone immediately after the Wolves had won the game? I thought it was a little bit weird.***

      Maybe he was calling the platinum blonde from the 2nd row.

    172. vincoug:
      Ben Simmons is extremely talented but is also a total headcase.Even if we could trade for him, and I don’t think we can unless we involve a third team to take Randle, I’m not sure that he’s cut out for NYC.I’ve never seen an NBA player wilt under pressure like he has and it’s not just last year’s playoffs.

      His regular season FT% has improved basically every year: 56%, 60%, 62%, 61%.But here are his FT% in chronological order for every playoff series he’s played:

      2018 1st round: 71%
      2018 2nd round: 69%
      2019 1st round: 58%
      2019 2nd round: 56%
      2021 1st round: 35%
      2021 2nd round: 33%

      It’s bad enough that he’s a bad FT shooter normally and doesn’t work on it but this kind of severe decline under pressure is unprecedented.

      I don’t think it’s a decline under pressure, I think it’s a decline under Rivers.

    173. You’d have to pay me to watch a midseason Magic game.

      just watched the first half while playing uno with a pissed off five year old. someone pay me double.

    174. One good thing about last night’s game is they tried to run a play at the end, rather than just go iso with Randle. Even though it didn’t work, it was a step in the right direction.

      Simmons would be best off starting over in a small market with a rebuilding team. OKC should put together an offer for him made up of a boatload of picks. Morey could then use the picks as currency to get the player or players he needs to get over the top.

    175. Simmons would be best off starting over in a small market with a rebuilding team. OKC should put together an offer for him made up of a boatload of picks. Morey could then use the picks as currency to get the player or players he needs to get over the top.

      That makes a lot of sense.

    176. It’s getting harder to root for a team that shoots free throws as poorly as we do. Its an embarrassment.

    177. ptmilo: just watched the first half while playing uno with a pissed off five year old. someone pay me double.

      I bet you got worked and just want a consolation prize. Everyone knows multitasking is a fool’s errand.

    178. OKC should put together an offer for him made up of a boatload of picks.

      They have SGA and Josh Giddey. Why would they want a third PG? They have two franchise-level talents already… and like 25 picks to find role players to surround them.

    179. Clyde was really down on the way that Mitch played when got in foul trouble. Instead of becoming more cautious, Mitch seemed to become overly aggressive with reaching in and made his situation worse. I couldn’t understand what he was doing at all.

    180. The Honorable Cock Jowles: They have SGA and Josh Giddey. Why would they want a third PG? They have two franchise-level talents already… and like 25 picks to find role players to surround them.

      Portland seems like the perfect landing spot for Simmons. Is Lillard back from his previous injury yet?

    181. DudeInKnicksTown: Clyde was really down on the way that Mitch played when got in foul trouble. Instead of becoming more cautious, Mitch seemed to become overly aggressive with reaching in and made his situation worse. I couldn’t understand what he was doing at all.

      Mitch has had a whole suite of games recently where he’s been successfully poking the ball away from people, often away from the basket. It was actually pretty impressive (I was like “No–yes!” each time), but I think it went to his head.

    182. Knick fan not in NJ: he average point guard in the NBA has TS% of 0.535, so that’s not really such a bad number.

      Unless you recognize that he’s a 6’8″ 250 lb power forward, in which case that kind of sucks.

    183. Raven: Unless you recognize that he’s a 6’8? 250 lb power forward, in which case that kind of sucks.

      I think he’s functioning as our point guard on offense a lot of the time, if that is what the coach is asking him to do, then he should be evaluated against that standard

    184. I don’t know why NY would want him, or why he’d want to go there, but if they really wanted to make a trade for Simmons, perhaps a deal centered around sending Randle to Portland and McCollum to Philadelphia could be worked out. That would give Embiid a dynamic guard to pair with, and Lillard a more complimentary Robin. What it does for NY, though, I have no idea, because I don’t understand the hype around Simmons. Even if he had a psyche stronger than Jowles’ glutes, I wouldn’t build around him. His game is just too weird to match a supporting cast around.

    185. fun day for tottenham, bruno. they won 3-2 on the latest brace ever recorded (Bergwijn scored in the 95th & 97th minutes).

    186. Knick fan not in NJ: I don’t think it’s a decline under pressure, I think it’s a decline under Rivers.

      What could Doc Rivers possibly be doing as a coach to cause Simmons’ FT% to collapse like that. And, why is it only collapsing in the playoffs? Because it improved a bit during the regular season.

    187. Just a Bush:
      i love this thread and you all – Yinyuán hóngxiàn…

      I think what that means is a traditional Chinese mythology about invisible red thread that the marriage god connects loved ones with… poetic and beautiful given the right context.
      However, pretty weird usage here.

    188. Hubert:
      fun day for tottenham, bruno. they won 3-2 on the latest brace ever recorded (Bergwijn scored in the 95th & 97th minutes).

      If there’s anyone who can turn even Tottenham around is Antonio Conte, the improvement lately has been very fun to watch. We just kinda expect it to end in misery because it’s Spurs, and I’m an expert in multi-sport misery with my random fierce allegiance to Everton of all freaking clubs in the world.

      Embiid with the 50 bomb on 23 shots and 27 minutes… that’s a way to stay fresh for the playoffs, just obliterate bad teams in 3 quarters.

    189. The Honorable Cock Jowles: They have SGA and Josh Giddey. Why would they want a third PG? They have two franchise-level talents already… and like 25 picks to find role players to surround them.

      SGA and Giddey can both play with or without the ball. I’d use them as my 1,2, and 3. All you need then is a couple of stretch bigs and you’re in business. Presti is going to need to make some kind of consolidation trades or he’s going to waste a lot of those picks on players he won’t have time to evaluate properly.

    190. We just kinda expect it to end in misery because it’s Spurs

      oh, it absolutely will, no doubt. I’m still stunned Conte took the job. Did he think we’d be active in the transfer market?

      I will say, though, Spurs at least provide as much joy as they do misery. That’s the beauty of football. Winning a north london derby, beating West Ham on a goal in the 95th minute, or just making it to a cup final… these things bring as much joy as winning a title does in an american sport. We’re a little too all or nothing here.

      That’s what I loved about last season’s Knicks. We were so excited to finish 4th, and I couldn’t help but think of spurs finally finishing 4th back in 2011.

      It’s nice to not be the best team and still have an incredible season that you’ll never forget.

    191. Knick fan not in NJ: I think he’s functioning as our point guard on offense a lot of the time, if that is what the coach is asking him to do, then he should be evaluated against that standard

      But then you have to compare his assist/turnover #s to other point guards and that’d be pretty ugly. That said, if you’re just talking about the last three games he’s been excellent: 33.1 assist% with just a 7.7 turnover %. That’s good enough that it more than makes up for his .529 TS% during those games. If Randle put up those numbers going forward he’d be earning his salary despite the shooting but I didn’t see anything that leads me to believe he can keep his turnovers anywhere near that level over an extended amount of time- that’d be almost halving his crappy career mark of 14.6%.

    192. I think it’s possible Randle keeps up that percentage because Barrett is taking all the turnovers.

    193. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Is he paid like an average PG?

      The median starting point guard salary in the NBA seems to be about $18M this season (for example, Lonzo Ball, Eric Bledsoe, Terry Rozier). Randle makes $19.8M this season which is close to tgat of Mike Conley (21M$) or Fred Van Vleet (19.7M$). So he’s in the ball park of a starting point guard salary wise. See the link for details.

      https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/point-guard/

    194. nicos: But then you have to compare his assist/turnover #s to other point guards and that’d be pretty ugly. That said, if you’re just talking about the last three games he’s been excellent: 33.1 assist% with just a 7.7 turnover %. That’s good enough that it more than makes up for his .529 TS% during those games. If Randle put up those numbers going forward he’d be earning his salary despite the shooting but I didn’t see anything that leads me to believe he can keep his turnovers anywhere near that level over an extended amount of time- that’d be almost halving his crappy career mark of 14.6%.

      That’s a fair point. By my eye test he’s been functioning more like a point guard in recent games than before. I assume that’s a conscious decision on his and the coaching staffs part but I could be wrong. It’s a good question if he’ll keep it up.

    195. Hubert: oh, it absolutely will, no doubt. I’m still stunned Conte took the job. Did he think we’d be active in the transfer market?

      I will say, though, Spurs at least provide as much joy as they do misery. That’s the beauty of football. Winning a north london derby, beating West Ham on a goal in the 95th minute, or just making it to a cup final… these things bring as much joy as winning a title does in an american sport. We’re a little too all or nothing here.

      That’s what I loved about last season’s Knicks. We were so excited to finish 4th, and I couldn’t help but think of spurs finally finishing 4th back in 2011.

      It’s nice to not be the best team and still have an incredible season that you’ll never forget.

      It’s honestly why I don’t think the mid-season tournament idea for the NBA is a good long term option, if it ever gets any respect by the players and fans we finally have a different option away from having 24 or so teams playing for absolutely nothing every year.

    196. I should add that it’s not that that I think Randle is a perfect point guard. But he’s been playing well recently even if it’s a different Randle than last season. Despite his good play, all I see in this blog are suggestions he be traded straight up for a point guard. I just don’t see that as good value.

    197. I think what that means is a traditional Chinese mythology about invisible red thread that the marriage god connects loved ones with… poetic and beautiful given the right context.

      hi joinone :)

      i sort of/kind of got what the actual meaning of Yinyuán hóngxiàn was…love, fate and basketball interwoven though sounded so good together i couldn’t resist…

      there’s so much ancient and rich history of mythology from around the world with which i’m unfamiliar…i’m sure there’s probably a more appropriate mythological deity of fate that would fit much better, Yuè Lao just happened to be the one i happened upon…hard to tell if yue lao is someone you actually want to come across though, a bit of a god of irony it seems…

      i guess for us all – it would be an orange and blue thread which connects us…

    198. Did anyone comment in the game thread about KAT talking on his phone immediately after the Wolves had won the game? I thought it was a little bit weird.

      I mentioned it to my wife, at least. I was all, “Who’s he calling? Do you think something bad happened?” She, half-interested, said, “He looks happy, so probably not.”

    199. Luke helped the Knicks against Toronto. The Clippers played the Nuggets pretty darn tight for a Clippers team with Marcus Morris as its go-to scorer.

    200. morris was even out tonight, it was the reggie jackson and zubac show…

      i never really thought of tyronn lue as a really good coach, but he’s done solid work with the clippers…

      i heard fiz may be getting another shot soon…man, amongst a bunch of bad, he was truly the worst…

    201. Hubert: I’m still stunned Conte took the job. Did he think we’d be active in the transfer market?

      I will say, though, Spurs at least provide as much joy as they do misery. That’s the beauty of football. Winning a north london derby, beating West Ham on a goal in the 95th minute, or just making it to a cup final… these things bring as much joy as winning a title does in an american sport. We’re a little too all or nothing here.

      That’s what I loved about last season’s Knicks. We were so excited to finish 4th, and I couldn’t help but think of spurs finally finishing 4th back in 2011.

      It’s nice to not be the best team and still have an incredible season that you’ll never forget.

      Ehi Hubert, another hopeless Tottenham fan here :-)

      You’re absolutely right, small things are a priceless treasure (like the incredible run to the Champions League Final in 2019 or winning the UEFA Cup in 1984).
      Yesterday’s miracle was a beam of joy, maybe useless but still very pleasant.

      Funny, Conte left my italian team and ended up leading my english one.
      He’s the right manager to build a “culture”, plays a very structured style but he’s a real master in wearing out his welcome fast, always asking for more players (with a penchant for veterans, someone else come to mind?).

      He’s paid handsomely but his contract only run till 2023, let’s see if he will stay until then in the unlucky case that Kane left in free agency and Levy doesn’t spend enough for his taste.

    202. Ben Simmons is for sure a weird guy and not tough mentally, but we probably dont know half about what happens behind the scenes. Embiid is quite a talkative guy and a trash talker, and seem to be annoying to be around him. Doc Rivers comments were out of the line, but I would guess there is more aside from those: The DeAndre Jordan saga changed a lot my perception of him, I do not think that was normal behavior and more like mafia tactics, I don’t know.

      About Morey, I think it is fair for him to wait till the trade deadline to assess the market. Waiting a full year would be irresponsible. Specially since some of the rumored trade proposals are reasonable, and the rumored asking price is outrageous. However, I think we will see a trade by the deadline.

      About having him here…, I think Ben Simmons would play up to the level his has shown prior everywhere else, but in this dysfunctional franchise, I am less sure. I would rather get in the trade as a 3rd team to nab a PG if Philly does not want one (And since trade talks with Kings are taking so long, I guess they are not so interested in Fox/Hali, but I think I am deluding myself).

    203. We shouldn’t worry about Ben Simmons in NY. If i understood it correctly, he has issues once his team is deep into the playoffs, right? I sure would like to see him having issues on the Knicks, because that’d mean we’d be deep into the playoffs, which would be a first since i don’t even know when… 1999?

    204. Randle playing like a league average PG for 1-3 games isn’t all that comforting when you realize it’s only 1-3 games. He’s played like ass at any position for 43 games.

      I’d love for that 3 game sample to be real, just like I’d love for RJs hot streak to not have been followed up with 13 TOs over 2 games.

    205. The reason I think Morey should take the best deal he can at this point is that Embiid’s body is something of a ticking time bomb. You don’t know how many more seasons you’re going to get of him playing at this level, and playing lots of games, so the calculus is different than it would be if he was as durable as LeBron used to be. This is a case where selling low is probably wiser than waiting for the optimal offer down the road.

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