Knicks Morning News (2021.11.23)

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    96 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.11.23)”

    1. Best title of today’s morning news list… “2 reasons the Knicks are NBA Finals contenders – ClutchPoints”
      Didn’t click on it, but it’s probably hilarious! :D

    2. Hard to believe it was only 3 weeks ago that this was posted here:

      Deeefense
      October 30, 2021 at 7:20 pm
      RJ is my new favorite Knick. He going to be sooooo good. We just have to be patient.

      (Looks like he may be on the old stratomatic 6-year-plan for developing young draft picks)

      I haven’t changed my opinion on RJ at all just because he had a handful of bad games shooting and is struggling with his confidence. He’ll be fine. The entire starting lineup is struggling with efficiency. That’s not an accident. It’s the makeup of the lineup and offense they are trying to run. Something is amiss.

    3. If Rose can’t go, Grimes will almost certainly get whatever available rotation minutes, with Quickley as the backup point guard. But I can’t help wanting to see Deuce in regular game action. He’s probably not ready — few first year point guards are — but the player he is on paper solves a lot of our problems, even more than Grimes would as Younger Reggie Bullock.

    4. @TommyBeer
      Over the last 25 years:

      Total number of Knicks first-round draft picks to win Dancing With the Stars:
      One

      Total number of Knicks first-round draft picks to sign a multi-year contract extension with NY after their rookie deal:
      Zero

    5. Hey Mike K – just wondering if you’re having any more luck selling your tickets. I’ve noticed an uptick in prices and activity since foreign tourists started trickling back.

    6. And just to extend the defense of RJ trashing to former Knicks people like to take shots at….

      Frank had another 2-3 game period this season where he shot poorly. Then he bounced back and shot great. I’m sure he’ll have more, just like most NBA players. He’s trying to expand his usage. I’m not so sure that’s a good idea for Dallas (lol) or to the satisfy “stats” guys that can see beyond boxscore stats or the last 48 minutes of basketball, but so be it. Kidd must think it’s a good idea. I still wish we had him and his endless unappreciated defense, ball movement, and secondary playmaking for less than 2m a year at age 23.

      To me, Willy is an enigma. He scores efficiently and rebounds well. A quick look at the stats and you’ll ask yourself why he’s not playing more. I said it when he first came into the league. He reminds me of Enes Kanter. Broken boxscore models tend to treat him well, but his on court impact is not nearly as impressive. With Willy though, I always had this feeling (unsupported any any facts at all), that he may have some off court issues that have held him back a little also.

    7. Total number of Knicks first-round draft picks to sign a multi-year contract extension with NY after their rookie deal:
      Zero

      This has been and continues to be a problem.

      You can’t whine about building through the draft and then reject every player you do draft in their early 20s and 3-5 years away from reaching whatever peak they are destined to reach. That goes double when you know the player is underdeveloped and a project coming in. Not every player you draft is going to be an all star, but many will become very useful role players that can contribute to a championship contender eventually. If you think the kid has some workable talent, you keep him as long as the price is fair or until you have a young prospect that’s even better. IMO, we have some good potential on our bench. We should even continue even working with Knox. We haven’t seen much of Knox this year, but he was better last year than previously and he’s only 22. He’s going to get better too.

    8. You can’t whine about building through the draft and then reject every player you do draft in their early 20s and 3-5 years away from reaching whatever peak they are destined to reach.

      I think you understand why this is overly simplified and wrong but just in case you don’t I’ll give you a good-faith response.

      Advocates for building through the draft do NOT say you should invest significant resources in every single draft pick you make. On the contrary, they advocate for stockpiling picks precisely because they anticipate drafting some busts even with the best strategy.

      It’s very easy to make some distinctions here. Let’s use two recent examples.

      RJ Barrett: hasn’t been productive overall, but has definitely shown enough stretches of good play to be worth continued investment in every sense of the word.

      Frank Ntilikina: working on his 5th consecutive season of not even approaching rotation-level play.

      When a guy blatantly obviously doesn’t have it, such that, for example, he’s forced to sign a 1 + 1 (team option) contract with a brutally shallow team at the end of the offseason, it’s actually smarter to not double down on him just because you drafted him. Doing so is the sunk cost fallacy in action. Roster spots, minutes, and salary all matter. You don’t waste all three on scrubs because they wore your cap on draft night.

      There will always be edge cases e.g. Porzingis where some level of investment is warranted, but not as much as the market and other circumstances dictate. In those cases a trade makes sense, as it did for us with Porzingis since we’d be screwed right now if we signed that contract. Barrett himself might be one of those cases.

      None of that changes the fact that investing significant resources in every player you draft simply because you drafted them, even if they obviously suck, is a bad idea.

    9. Yeah, the mistakes have been in the drafting, and almost never in the not-retaining. What first round pick between Charlie Ward and now, who was still on the team at the time he would begin a new multi-year contract, did we screw up by letting go? David Lee, maybe? But that contract quickly became a sunk cost for Golden State, and the sign-and-trade we made with them at least made sense on paper. (Even more than AntRand being a flake, Kelenna Azubuike never playing is what really screwed us.) If Wilson Chandler or Gallo hadn’t been traded for Melo, we surely would have extended one or both.

      We’ve just been terrible at drafting for a long time, with a more recent uptick. Hopefully, RJ pulls out of whatever the hell is going on with him and earns an extension. Quickley is a clear draft win, and he’ll get extended if he’s not traded first. TBD on Obi and Grimes, but there are at least promising signs we almost never got from the likes of Mardy Collins or Dontae’ Jones.

    10. Frank has an eFG of 88 and TS of 91. Both would be career highs but are still garbage. He’s also shooting 36% from 2 and 27% (not a typo, 27%!!!) at the rim. I think reports of Frank becoming a great shooter with only some offnights are exaggerated.

      EDIT: Oh, and I just noticed that he’s injured again.

    11. it’s worth emphasizing why sunday’s game was so anomalously strong for randle. he scored 18 pts in the paint. in the previous 5 games he had 14, total. in all of 20-21 he had one game of 18 and one of 20. here were his pts in the paint per 36 for the last 5 years.

      lakers 15.5
      pels 15.5
      fizler 11.9
      thibs 7.3
      ytd 7.3*

      *going into sunday; now 7.9. chi played small w/out vuc, & their best help defender, caruso, got in foul trouble. but i don’t think that’s a complete explanation of his paint explosion sunday. to me, whether randle can be a genuine top 25-30 player without very good outside shooting mostly comes down to this. he needs to bring his game closer to the rim.

      it’s a plus that randle is an extremely good passer for his size and position, but all assists are not created equal. randle is a v good passer for his prototype, but he is not a great interior passer. here are randle’s ytd asts/100 at the rim:

      luka 5.41
      draymond 4.74
      jokic 4.49
      sengun 3.25
      s adams 2.62
      vucevic 2.57
      embiid 2.53
      horford 2.5
      durant 2.25
      kuzma 1.96
      poeltl 1.89
      collins 1.88
      valanciunas 1.85
      tatum 1.77
      clarkson 1.75
      sabonis 1.69
      mobley 1.57
      montrezl 1.53
      burks 1.53
      randle 1.47
      porzingis 1.39
      W Carterjr 1.37
      nurkic 1.29
      j grant 1.2
      ayton 0

      not saying other kinds of passing isn’t valuable, of course it is (or at least can be). and randle generates a ton of 3pts asts. but in most cases 3pt asts tend to have lower marginal value (rim success drops more when you take great rim assisters out of the lineup than the equivalent move for 3pt assisters), especially when 3pt asts come with relatively high TOV%, as in randle’s case. this is especially relevant for randle under thibs, bc he is almost always playing with a big who is only useful as a rim finisher. to wit, an amazing stat:

      for players over 100 minutes, there are only 3 guys in the nba with 9% or below usage: taj, mitch, noel

    12. It’s absolutely amazing – every thread somehow comes back to Frank

      If an asteroid was about to hit Earth, the last post on Knickerblogger would be about Frank’s +8 in 7 minutes of action

    13. in case it wasn’t clear above, the list of year to date assists /100 at the rim is just smattering of players i thought provided some kind of useful context, it’s not any kind of leaderboard.

    14. Yeah, our drafting has been hot garbage. But to be fair, the real game-changing picks usually come at the top of the draft (1-3 or sometimes 1-5), and we never, ever get those picks… except for RJ, a #3 pick in a 2-player draft.

      Off-topic: I’m getting a 13-year-old an electric guitar this holiday season, and with all you aficionados here, I’d love to get opinions on good entry-level options. *As of now, I’ve got my eye on a used Sterling CT30 Cutlass because it seems like a tiny step above entry-level Fenders, but I’m open to ideas.*

    15. Yeah, it’s not the “giving up” on draft picks that has been the problem in the post Al Bianchi era. It’s been trading away picks for vets, coupled with making bad selections with the picks retained. There really aren’t many guys we drafted over those 25 years that were regrettably let go. I guess the most egregious was Trevor Ariza who was raw when we traded him and went on to have a very good career. But if that was the Knicks’ worst move over those 25 years, that would actually be pretty great.

      [edit: did you know that of all the draft picks made by the New York Knicks, Ariana is 4th in career VORP, behind only Ewing, Mark Jackson, and Rod Strickland? Because I would not have guessed that before looking it up just now.]

    16. what’s up with the new (I think it’s new this year) opposing team defensive strategy of using a guard to body up julius when he goes to the post?

      it seems to be working on him, making him feel compelled to try and score in those situations, which doesn’t usually work out for us…

    17. @LakersReporter
      Update on the injury report:

      Anthony Davis is questionable to play tonight in New York due to flu-like symptoms (non-Covid related).

      I still wouldn’t be surprised if Westbrook goes nuts and beats us singlehandedly, given our point of attack difficulties.

    18. C’mon, Alan. It’s the Melo game.

      Love that 9% center factoid. We’d have no idea what to do with a center who could score. Trade him immediately, I suspect.

      And if the last post before the comet was about Frank, I’d die with a smile on my lips…

    19. Off-topic: I’m getting a 13-year-old an electric guitar this holiday season, and with all you aficionados here, I’d love to get opinions on good entry-level options.

      What’s your budget, ess-dog?

    20. The Knicks problem more than poor draft choices (they’ve had below average success in the lotto but done better later with players like David Lee, Ariza, Nate Robinson, Chandler, Fields and Robinson). The biggest issue is KP and Barrett were their first top 5 picks since 1986. KP hasn’t been amazing but probably has been better than the average #4 pick.

      They reduce the sample size by trading away picks and reduce the likelihood of drafting a winner by drafting later. Both of these poor choices contribute to the volatility of potential outcomes of their drafts. They’re drafting fewer players and picking at less reliable spots.

    21. So many seasons spent chasing the #8 seed, falling short, then drafting 9th and drafting somebody shitty. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen that movie but I can recite the dialogue by heart.

    22. Maybe it’s because I missed so much of last season abroad that I don’t really love Randle’s game.

      I still see him as a bigger, slightly more distributing Melo. Sure, he makes some good passes and tough shots, but that’s not what his game seems to be about: iso, posting, and sometimes passing out of a double. There’s value in that, but I’d rather have a wing or guard as my best player. I’m kinda tired of watching a 1v1 with Randle at the elbow and the rest of the team clearing out. I think his trade value is close to its highest, so I’d trade him now. (ducks for cover)

    23. Donnie Walsh: did you know that of all the draft picks made by the New York Knicks, Ariana is 4th in career VORP, behind only Ewing, Mark Jackson, and Rod Strickland? Because I would not have guessed that before looking it up just now.]

      Do draft picks we traded away count? Because LaMarcus Aldridge is at 33 career VORP and Gordon Hayward is at 22.5.

    24. I’m kinda tired of watching a 1v1 with Randle at the elbow and the rest of the team clearing out. I think his trade value is close to its highest, so I’d trade him now. (ducks for cover)

      hey wetbandit, yeah at some point we probably will need to make some kind of change if we want to be better than a .500 team and just making the playoffs…

      julius has his moments, particularly on defense surprisingly enough…he seems like a good team player, although at times this year he’s regressed to total hero ball…hopefully he’s still adjusting to the new team dynamic with kemba and evian…

      eventually (probably this trade deadline), someone(s) on the team are shipping out…

    25. ptmilo: for players over 100 minutes, there are only 3 guys in the nba with 9% or below usage: taj, mitch, noel

      We need another button, besides the “Quote” button. It’s the “Send this to Thibs” button. :D

      PS: I was in the “draft sengun” camp, just never thought he could fall near the Knicks picks, but seeing him already 4th on your list was a big surprise.

    26. ess-dog: Off-topic: I’m getting a 13-year-old an electric guitar this holiday season, and with all you aficionados here, I’d love to get opinions on good entry-level options. *As of now, I’ve got my eye on a used Sterling CT30 Cutlass because it seems like a tiny step above entry-level Fenders, but I’m open to ideas.*

      I lean towards getting entry-level instruments to see if the interest and dedication is there to merit upgrading to something mid-level. My first electric was a used Squier Strat that had been spray-painted silver. I got it on Craigslist for $75. A few years later I was playing it enough that I felt justified in getting a Telecaster. Maybe get them something like a Squier Strat in a color they like?

      I think the amp is more important for how the guitar sounds anyway. A modeling amp like a Fender Mustang is a good idea, that way the kid can experiment with different effects without breaking the bank to buy pedals.

    27. The Knicks have a dearth of U-24 talent. The cupboard isn’t bare there, by any stretch, but it’s not great, either. To make it worse, they had an elite asset in that demographic, traded him for pennies on the dollar, and then made it worse by incinerating part of the pocket change. You simply aren’t going to make up for all that with Julius Randle and Derrick Rose and Alec Burks and Evan Fournier. It is not going to happen.

      Hiring Thibs and fools golding into last year’s playoffs and then running it back was simply the wrong strategy. All the talk of tactics, while fun and interesting and the kind of thing fans do, is ultimately beside the point. The Knicks’ strategic direction is badly flawed. NOTE: These observations have literally nothing to do with Thibs’s strengths and weaknesses as a coach. Nor do they have anything to do with whether I enjoyed the playoff games, which I obviously did.

    28. Wait, are you talking about Porzingis? Like, you aren’t going to make up for Porzingis with Randle, Rose, Burks, and Fournier? WTF? Oh, you mean Frank.

    29. ***Do draft picks we traded away count? Because LaMarcus Aldridge is at 33 career VORP and Gordon Hayward is at 22.5.***

      Per the BK draft page, the list seems to be only players that were technically drafted by the team. So Aldridge would actually show up on the Bulls list of oopsies, not ours.

      But to your point, it’s funny because Nene is #8 on our all time list, between David Lee and Ray Williams.

    30. they had an elite asset in that demographic

      Dude, you need to do better. Porzingis isn’t “elite.” getting 2 first round picks and boatload of cap space was a decent return for an oft-injured pseudo all-star (who is worse now than he was when he played for us).

      That cap space got us Randle but also got us another pick that netted IQ when we traded with the clips.

      So we got 3 first round picks and Randle out of that trade.

      Right now we would have KP on a horrible contract, no IQ and no future extra first round picks.

      The beginning of us turning things around was when we traded KP.

      You need to stop. Its beyond annoying to read post after post from you spouting the same stupid nonsense every day.

    31. Saying Porzingis wasn’t an elite asset at the time of the trade, which is the only time that matters, is pure denial. Impossible to take seriously, and then everything that flows from that flawed premise suffers.

      The Knicks’ strategic direction is flawed. They’re in purgatory and worse, they’re in purgatory by strategic choice. Kind of a tough love prescription, but an unavoidable one.

    32. He wasn’t an elite asset. He was up for a huge extension and hadn’t played basketball in a year and before that had played well for the first two months of the season before plummeting. He was only “elite” in the eyes of some Knicks fans who had been so starved for young talent.

      You’re the one in denial if you think he was “elite” at the time. He wasn’t.

    33. Thanks, Doug! The amp is my ex-wife’s dept. but I mentioned that Fender or Orange.
      JK: thinking no more than $300 (the payment plans they have today make upgrading a little easier.)

    34. And how would keeping Porzingis on a max contract and NOT having extra first round picks or IQ not be the VERY definition of purgatory?

      You act like KP is Luca or Ja or prime Lebron. He isn’t close to that. He’s not even an all-star caliber player and he’s ALWAYS hurt. We would literally be worse if we kept him with less picks.

    35. Guys asking out don’t usually turn into a big haul. The AD trade got Ingram, Lonzo, Hart and 3 picks, but the Kawhi trade only got DeRozan, Poeltl and 1 pick. Maybe KP is better than Kawhi because we got 2 picks out of it, and Julius.

    36. ***Has anyone done a study of how many lottery picks do sign an extension with their teams?***

      A cursory glance at rosters shows that there 5 teams in each conference that don’t CURRENTLY have a first rounder that they drafted signed to an extension. And those teams include several imminent extensions (LaMelo, Zion, etc)

      As for lottery specific picks, I don’t think a study is all that helpful, as draft classes all vary in quality, and there are, of course, good reasons for trading promising young players. But to give a quick sample: for the class of 2018 (the youngest class eligible for extensions), 6 have signed extensions, 5 of them with the team that drafted them. And Ayton, Bamba, Miles Bridges, and Sexton are all candidates to expand that number. For the class of 2017, 5 extended with their drafting team. For the class of 2016, 3 extended.

    37. Donnie Walsh: And those teams include several imminent extensions (LaMelo, Zion, etc)

      Hey, stop right there. Zion isn’t going to sign the extension in NO. He’s going to be in a sign and trade to the Knicks. Yeah, i believe it. When it happens, all you guys must come here and say “Amazing, Cyber, you knew this all along”. :D

    38. Don’t forget Jamal Murray, he’s also a Knicks pick (courtesy of the infamous Melo trade).

    39. ***Hey, stop right there. Zion isn’t going to sign the extension in NO. He’s going to be in a sign and trade to the Knicks. Yeah, i believe it.***

      Haha. Okay, duly noted.

      But here’s the thing. There’s really no reason for New Orleans to do this, short of a) Zion being damaged, or b) Zion demanding it. If the latter, he’d be giving up A LOT of guaranteed money, which we rarely see young players do. And this is because the league set itself up to make it easy for teams to retain their drafted players. Since the 1999 CBA, drafting teams have had such a huge competitive advantage to re-sign their own draft picks that it is really mind-boggling that the Knicks haven’t been able to take advantage of it, even once.

    40. We’re stuck in purgatory! What we should have done is resigned a player who is worse than Randle and always injured on a longer contract and not gotten 3 extra first round picks out of trading him. Then we’d be contenders right now! LOGIC FAIL.

    41. This isn’t a serious trade proposal on my part, but I would sort of love to see the Knicks offense with a genuine stretch 5. I think Randle would really feast in such a scenario (and I think pt’s quoted numbers reflect that fact). Someone like Kelly Olynyk would be really fun on this squad. Of course, Olynyk isn’t a rim protector and our issue is defense, but I’m not sure there’s more value to be gleaned from improving our defense (a lot of which I think is limited by effort and guard personnel at the moment) than from going whole hog on a modern spaced NBA offense.

      One thing I’m worried about, especially when the playoffs roll along, is how predictable our offense is when Rose or Kemba aren’t penetrating. There just isn’t enough space to work with when our rim runners are such non factors on offense. Teams will figure this out in the playoffs like Atlanta did last year and team us for it. Trading away one of Mitch or Noel for a stretch 5 (or giving more burn to Obi/Randle frontcourt) might be the kind of move that’ll cause growing pains in the regular season but pay dividends come playoff time when you can give a team multiple offensive looks. And again, I think we should maybe be focusing on improving the offense at this point, since we can’t really do much to improve on defense besides hope for everyone to try harder, trade for a 3 and d wing, or hope Grimes or McBride break out later in the season (all but the former are unlikely imo.)

    42. This isn’t a serious trade proposal on my part, but I would sort of love to see the Knicks offense with a genuine stretch 5.

      next to missing a starting point guard, this has been one of our biggest offensive issue for a few years now…

      I’m not sure there’s more value to be gleaned from improving our defense (a lot of which I think is limited by effort and guard personnel at the moment) than from going whole hog on a modern spaced NBA offense.

      spot on silky…

      julius would need to do more defensively, lower his points and assists, but, the team would look better…

      i’d part with mitch before i traded nerlens…sorry mitch, but, just a big fan of nerlens…

    43. We’re stuck in purgatory!

      hell < purgatory < heaven

      compared to the endless depths of dolan basketball hell – i'm cool chillin' in purgatory for a while swift :P

      quick question for you academiacs – where is purgatory discussed in the old/new testament…is purgatory really discussed in any major theologies/beliefs, or is it just some literary device?

    44. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada: This isn’t a serious trade proposal on my part, but I would sort of love to see the Knicks offense with a genuine stretch 5. I think Randle would really feast in such a scenario (and I think pt’s quoted numbers reflect that fact).

      Myles Turner? They want to make Sabonis their starting C and Myles is in the way, so probably the price will be reasonable. And also i wasn’t aware that the Pacers drafted Isaiah Jackson with pick #22 in the last draft. He was a PF in college but most likely will be a C at the pro level.

    45. Silky I’ve had the same exact thought. Thibs’ insistence on having a “true center” type on the floor at all times (and to be fair this is at least partially due to roster based necessity) places a fairly hard cap on our offensive dynamism.

      File this under “arguably worth mentioning”: Samanic has come out like gangbusters in two (2) G-League games.

    46. File this under “arguably worth mentioning”: Samanic has come out like gangbusters in two (2) G-League games.

      Hasn’t he put up good G-League stats in the past? I thought the issue was effort in NBA games, and a larger question of whether he’s a Quad-A type player, too good for the minor leagues, not good enough for the big leagues.

    47. Samanics problem was his poor effort and motor as I recall. Hes definitely talented so worth keeping around to see if we can unlock some of that potential.

    48. I’m cool stuck in purgatory too! But also, its a ridiculous claim to say a team that just went to the playoffs for the first time in a decade is doomed to be a low playoff seed/first round exit team in purgatory after a less than stellar start to the season (when we’re still above 500). Purgatory as far as the NBA goes requires being a 7th/8th seed or barely missing the playoffs for multiple seasons with no real cap space or young players who can improve or draft picks. That is not our situation at all. Worst case scenario right now we’re a middling NBA team for a few seasons and we retool in 2 to 3 years when the all the vet contracts are expiring. We have all our picks plus two additional first round picks and like all of the second round picks in the 2023 draft and some nice promising players (RJ, IQ, Obi). The team is far from a finished product and count me as being totally fine with being in bball purgatory right now.

    49. I took a class in college that was just about Dante’s Trilogy. My remembrance is that it is not at all an idea discussed in the bible and was just something the Catholic Church and biblical scholars made up because they wanted people like Socrates to not burn in hell forever just because they were born before Jesus died for our sins.

    50. There’s a significant drop-off from the NBA to the G-League. Jimmer Fredette is a good example. He always put up insane G-League numbers, then would come into the NBA and stink it up. New Luka could be like Jimmer.

      Worth mentioning New Luka’s numbers are much better than even his previous years, so maybe it’s he start of something but likely a meaningless 2 games. On the other hand, wow:

      37.8% USG
      .678 TS%
      28.9% AST% (4.2 ast/36)
      18.8% TOV% (5.6 tov/36)

    51. if hell is the worst day of your life, heaven the best – purgatory is what exactly?

      i’m hopeful for heaven, i’m calling bullshit though on hell and purgatory…hell and purgatory sound too much like the world around me – why send us somewhere else for punishment or atonement, not really necessary it seems, my own journey has been pretty cool, a few bad days here or there, but, seems there are much much worse possible lifespans than my own…

    52. i just realized – my pic is the exact knick logo i don’t like (with the superman emblem in the background)…sometimes change is necessary, like science…still waiting for one “sweat-jacket” to arrive, but, found some gear on ebay that was both new and cool…picked up some UNK, hardwood classics and addidas knick stuff…

      i’d appreciate them playing a little better this season, while representing and all…man, can’t remember the last giants thing i wore…rock yankees occasionally…

    53. Interesting factoid.

      The phrase “when hell freezes over” comes (indirectly) from Dante’s inferno. Most people assume the phrase just means that it will never happen because hell is super hot and would never freeze over. But in The Inferno, Satan is actually frozen in a lake. So the deepest circle of hell is cold/not hot. His breathe is ice cold and causes the lake to freeze because it was/is his own personal choice to rebel against God that cause him to fall from from Heaven and his own arrogance has kept him frozen in the deepest hell of his own creation.

    54. Re: RJ, he has awful stretches like the one he’s having now, once in a while. I hope he cleans this stuff in the future, or at least lowers it to 2 or 3 games. Usually this stretches have been between 9 to 12 games. He’s at 10 awful games this time, so i expect him to “Wake the f*ck up, RJ” tomorrow or saturday against the Suns.
      And now i’m like Brian, i was convinced the Lakers game was today. Only noticed it is tomorrow when checking the date of the Suns game.

    55. Hey Geo-DALF, how are things going? Already tried the pasta that Jowles recommended yesterday? :)

    56. if hell is the worst day of your life, heaven the best – purgatory is what exactly?

      And now i’m like Brian, i was convinced the Lakers game was today. Only noticed it is tomorrow when checking the date of the Suns game.

    57. As the soul doomed to purgatory doesn’t realize its fate, so too many fans of NBA teams so doomed.

    58. KevinR: The games tonight Cyber

      Thanks, Kevin. It looks like i need more coffee. LOL
      ESPN presents the time of the game in my timezone… duhh! ;)

    59. geo: if hell is the worst day of your life, heaven the best

      This brought a music to my mind…

      If you’re in Heaven then you’ll forgive me, dear
      Because that’s what they do up there
      If you’re in Hell, then what can I say
      You probably deserved it anyway
      I guess I’m gonna find out any day
      For we’ll meet again
      And there’ll be Hell to pay

      Idiot Prayer, by Nick Cave
      (a beautiful music, btw)

    60. Hey Geo-DALF, how are things going? Already tried the pasta that Jowles recommended yesterday? :)

      howdy soze :)

      at the desk (it sits in a small dining area), listening to the boys and their friends…got 5 young ‘uns going in and out of the living room, playing video games, and now some neighbors dog has appeared in the house – life is good brother…

      may get something official from hr this afternoon on the chance for me to join a different team…figure i got about another five years of full time work in me, thinking it might be cool to change my setting, recharge a bit for the final run…

      i don’t know, things don’t work out with this new thing, things have gotten much more settled for me in my current role, i’m in a really comfortable spot at the moment…i excel at taking no action…

      getting ready to set up an office in the bedroom, not work related…wanna get back in to active investing, it’s been a couple of decades, i do remember how time consuming it was…it’s funny, i always talk about how much i’m not in to gambling…the market is kind of sexy to me though…

      how’s the family/work thing going for yourself soze?

    61. Yeah, cause Dallas is in so much better shape than us?

      Its ridiculous to claim that team that just made the playoffs for the first time in a decade last year is now doomed to purgatory when their highest paid/star player is 26 and they don’t have a single contract that is longer than 4 years (most being 2 years with team option for the 3rd and Fournier being 3 years with a team option for the 4th). The highest paid player is Randle who is making like 20ish million a year. And they’ve got a slew of young players on the roster who have varying levels of promise plus a boatload of surplus picks. But yeah, starting out 9-8 means we’re doomed to purgatory? You’re trying so hard to prove some point but you are just wrong. All the time. And you repeat the same nonesense over and over again.

      Stop smoking weed with Noah at the ranch, phil. You’re losing it.

    62. Advocates for building through the draft do NOT say you should invest significant resources in every single draft pick you make. On the contrary, they advocate for stockpiling picks precisely because they anticipate drafting some busts even with the best strategy.

      I fully understand and agree 100%.

      RJ Barrett: hasn’t been productive overall, but has definitely shown enough stretches of good play to be worth continued investment in every sense of the word.

      Frank Ntilikina: working on his 5th consecutive season of not even approaching rotation-level play.

      The problem is we disagree on Frank’s value and have for a long time.

      His boxscore stats suck. Anyone can see that. The problem is that boxscore models suck at valuing players.

      Franks on/off stats and some RAPM or similar metrics generally rate him better than his boxscore metrics. That’s not an accident. Not that those metrics are so great either (they suck in different ways), but at least they attempt to capture contributions not in the boxscore.

      We can’t agree because you see a terrible player.

      I see a player that’s a plus defender that can become a net plus overall in the right lineups with a little more consistent shot. I would never give up on a switchable plus defender that can handle the ball better now, make plays, and is a willing ball mover when he’s only 23 and cheap because he can’t shoot off the dribble yet.

      Knox is another matter. Knox has no real “plus” skill to put in the bank while we are trying to develop the rest of his game. As of now, the best case scenario looks like he becomes a good spot up 3 point shooter eventually. Those kinds of guys have value too. I haven’t throw him in the garbage yet either.

      If you are going to draft very raw teenagers you have to be very patient and realize they won’t all be high level starters and stars. That doesn’t mean you discard them.

    63. Vincoug, what do you mean by this?

      Frank has an eFG of 88 and TS of 91.

      When I look up [redacted]’s true shooting percentage it’s 0.498, not a number like 91. I have the same question about 88 as an eFG.

    64. Yeah, cause Dallas is in so much better shape than us?

      IMO Dallas is in way better shape than us.

      They have the hardest piece to get. Doncic is a legitimate #1 scoring option.

    65. That cap space got us Randle but also got us another pick that netted IQ when we traded with the clips.

      We could have had Randle and KP. They were holding off on giving KP the max to ensure they had space to sign another high quality player to go with him. It would have been fairly easy to negotiate that. They abandoned that and traded KP when things remained frayed. They then decided to go for Durant and Irving with two max contracts but wound up with Randle and role players. We basically got two mediocre 1st round picks and role players for KP and Hardaway’s bloated contract. Everything else after that is a convoluted bunch of “what ifs”.

    66. Quickley, Burks, Rose, and Toppin lead New York in fourth-quarter minutes over the past eight games.

      From a good analysis of the Knicks’ woes in the Ringer right now.
      Lots of good quotes and data — I just picked that one as a sample.

    67. strat, name someone that you liked as a young player but then realized wasn’t going to be as good as you thought. Just one time that you were dead wrong about someone.

    68. Phatt Gandalf is Big Chiefin’: at the desk (it sits in a small dining area), listening to the boys and their friends…got 5 young ‘uns going in and out of the living room, playing video games, and now some neighbors dog has appeared in the house – life is good brother…

      Thanks for the update. Felt very happy reading this. :) And life’s good here too, brother. Got to be with my 3 best friends of high school last weekend. They’re my brothers for life, didn’t even noticed the time passing by.

    69. Katz:

      Thibodeau says Immanuel Quickley and Alec Burks could both see time at point guard with Derrick Rose out tonight. He’s used Burks to run the offense for a few stretches of late.

    70. Would take both Kemba and Rose being out to even get a chance of seeing Mcbride this year. Will be nice to see Grimes at least

    71. ***The problem is we disagree on Frank’s value and have for a long time. His boxscore stats suck. Anyone can see that. The problem is that boxscore models suck at valuing players.***

      They don’t suck at valuing most players. Occasionally they overvalue one and undervalue another. But, for the most part, they do better than you are giving them credit. The silly thing, though, is that if there was ever a coach that was going to value a defensive only player, it is Thibs. But even Thibs has come to see that in today’s NBA a defense-only player on the court puts you at a disadvantage, which is why not even the defense-obsessed Tom Thibodeau wanted to play the guy. (And, by the way, the most glaring move Thibs made to turn the #23 ranked defense into the #3 ranked defense was to slash Frank’s playing time by 75%. So, sure, box score stats sometimes don’t get it, but if you are arguing against both stats AND against Thib’s defensive mentality, you are just pissing in the wind).

    72. Knick fan not in NJ: When I look up [redacted]’s true shooting percentage it’s 0.498, not a number like 91. I have the same question about 88 as an eFG.

      It’s again the problem of the plus sign. It should have been TS+ and eFG+.

    73. And now i got depressed… [redacted] has eFG+ 88 and TS+ 91, whereas RJ has eFG+ 87 and TS+ 88. Oof. :(

    74. geo: i just realized – my pic is the exact knick logo i don’t like (with the superman emblem in the background)

      I always think I’m the only one with this opinion. I hate the triangle logo, always have.

      https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScarceUnluckyHoopoe-mobile.mp4

      Knick fan not in NJ: Vincoug, what do you mean by this?

      Frank has an eFG of 88 and TS of 91.

      When I look up [redacted]’s true shooting percentage it’s 0.498, not a number like 91. I have the same question about 88 as an eFG.

      It stripped out the plus symbol, for some reason I can’t type eFG or TS . It’s just a newer feature in bbref that shows eFG% and TS% compared to league average. 100 = exactly average so Ntilikina’s eFG% is 12% worse than league average and his TS% is 9% worse.

      EDIT: And of course the worked in this comment.

      EDIT2: But not after I edited it! This is the weirdest website and only partially because of its user base.

    75. vincoug: This is the weirdest website and only partially because of its user base.

      LOL. You’re welcome. :D

      Try “& # 4 3 ;” without the quotation marks and the spaces, next time you want the plus sign to show.

    76. swiftandabundant:
      Interesting factoid.

      The phrase “when hell freezes over” comes (indirectly) from Dante’s inferno. Most people assume the phrase just means that it will never happen because hell is super hot and would never freeze over. But in The Inferno, Satan is actually frozen in a lake. So the deepest circle of hell is cold/not hot. His breathe is ice cold and causes the lake to freeze because it was/is his own personal choice to rebel against God that cause him to fall from from Heaven and his own arrogance has kept him frozen in the deepest hell of his own creation.

      vincoug: This is the weirdest website and only partially because of its user base.

      Swift’s above is an example of why I love this user base (so much).

      Let’s crush LA tonight!

    77. I always think I’m the only one with this opinion. I hate the triangle logo, always have.

      i’ve always liked addidas and puma gear as a kid, mostly wear new balance stuff now though…some of the UNK stuff was crazy cool though…the hardwood classics have some nice alt gear…

    78. it’s amazing how this person named, well maybe named john (or whatever the equivalent is/was), along with this imaginative, if not a bit gloomy, florentian has so greatly influenced a decent chunk of humanity two thousand and a thousand or so years after their passing…

      talk about leaving a legacy – a legacy of hell and damnation…mighty fine work in a lifetime :P

    79. vincoug: I always think I’m the only one with this opinion.I hate the triangle logo, always have.

      https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScarceUnluckyHoopoe-mobile.mp4

      It stripped out the plus symbol, for some reason I can’t type eFG or TS.It’s just a newer feature in bbref that shows eFG% and TS% compared to league average.100 = exactly average so Ntilikina’s eFG% is 12% worse than league average and his TS% is 9% worse.

      EDIT: And of course the worked in this comment.

      EDIT2: But not after I edited it!This is the weirdest website and only partially because of its user base.

      Thanks Vincoug

    80. I just caught a mouse that’s still alive and I have no idea what to do. It’s in a bread box. Anyone with ideas?

    81. vincoug:
      I just caught a mouse that’s still alive and I have no idea what to do. It’s in a bread box. Anyone with ideas?

      Not sure where you live. If there’s some countryside, go jump in the car, drive at least a mile away, let it go in the brush. Or in a neighbor’s yard you don’t like. If you’re in the city, take it to a park. Remember to wait until nobody’s watching — people get a little weird if they see you letting mice go.

      Or you can run out and get a (thin mesh) hamster cage and a wheel and have years of fun with your new wee little pet.

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