Knicks Morning News (2021.11.22)

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    1. Very winnable game, we lost our momentum across 3rd and 4th.
      I didn’t like that we accepted their rules and went with Randle at the 5 in the clutch, smallball is their strenght not ours and with the game on the line we did play exactly how they want us to.
      But at the end can’t go anywhere if four of your guards and wings shot 9-40 (I dismiss Quickley’s pathetic last basket).

      Randle B + (34-10-3 + 6)
      Good game, against the Chicago Smurfs’ lineup dismissing the threes for a more phisycal game was the right idea and maybe his chemistry with Kemba can progress. He hit at at least 3 incredibly difficult iso shots and that’s a testament to his undeniable talent. The 5 turnovers were bad. He’s so happy when he’s the center of the offensive universe that he even try on defense.

      Barrett D + (9-15-2 + 6)
      Tied his career high in rebounds and was better on defense compared to the last games but was feeble at the rim, atrociuos from outside and missed too many FTs. He’s 46-148 (31.1%) over the last 10-games.

      Fournier F (3-1 0)
      How can’t he be -30? Messed uo, off target, atrocius. That said, I’m still a believer, but ready to take a potential loss.

      Kemba C- (7-2-4 -4)
      Invisible or flatly negative in the first half, come back blazing after halftime, attacking the rim and dishing assists. Went to the bench and never returned.

      Noel C (6-5-2 3 BLK -10)
      Fouls hampered him but still I would have liked seen him in the final lineup, even with 5 fouls.

    2. I never expected to have a moment this season where I wished we had signed DeMar DeRozan. Yet here we are.

    3. Burks B- (13-3 3 TO -4)
      The best of a quiet Bench Mob. The 3 Tos are bad, but he went to the line, hit some shots and defended well.

      Rose C (9-2-3 3 BLK -2)
      Still off with the shot (3-11), the effort was there but he’s in a stretch of games where he’s not making the difference as he’s accustomed to.

      Quickley C- (12- 1 AST -6)
      Two of his points come with the last stupid basket (try this against the 90’s Knicks and you would have needed to book a room in the closest hospital). His defensive progress looks like they’re here to stay (finger crossed). Bad shooting night (1-8 from 3) I hope it’s just a blip on the radar.

      Toppin B- (10-6-1 -13)
      Took his threes in the flow of the game, hit his FT’s, got his boards… and still did play 13 minutes. Was he so disastrous on defense? Maybe, maybe not…

      Sims NG
      Forced in by Noel’s fouls, he did look like a deer in the headlights.

      Grimes A
      27 juicy seconds, still no headbutt to Thibs. Good kid.

      Thibs B-
      Did stagger the lineups (good), but let Donovan dictate the strategy instead of trying to make them unconfortable (bad). I would have liked more a “classic” lineup at the end, why play to your opponent’s strenght? Meanwhile, Toppin’s a waste of a good weapon and potentially so is Grimes with Barrett in this kind of endless funk.

    4. I never expected to have a moment this season where I wished we had signed DeMar DeRozan. Yet here we are.

      I like DeMar, master of midrange and more of a playmaker and facilitator than people give him credit for (his years with the Spurs helped a lot on this department). He’s having a great season and for now he’s justifying the overpay.

    5. Yeah, DeRozan at 27M would be the “star” i wanted to have under contract for the next 3 years, taking us out of the 2023 free agency and getting the money from both Evan and Noel.

    6. I don’t want DeRozan signed at that price and his offensive skill set would maybe be a bad fit for us, still I like the player and think he’s underrated.

      Question: which free agency?

    7. Rumors that in Sacramento there are problems with the Fox-Hali coexistence (Amick wrote it on the Athletic).

      Do you want to trade for Fox if he becomes avalilable?

    8. There are no moral victories for teams with playoff aspirations, but I would say last night was a “good” loss in the sense that Randle really got going. If he can get back his mojo, we are going to be in much better shape. RJ though…ugh. I haven’t seen a slump like this ever from a player. Its really really bad. He seemed so ready to take that next step and now he’s just in a huge slump. I hope he can shake it off. Otherwise, we might need to put him on the bench for awhile.

      The defense overall has gotten better, so that is promising. If we can just figure out the chemistry with the starting line up, we can turn this around. But losing a close one to a good Bulls team on the road when they wanted revenge. It certainly wasn’t a “bad loss.

      As for Fox. Um, yes please. If the price is right, of course. I just don’t know what he would cost us.

    9. Would prefer Haliburton since he can shoot but wouldn’t be upset with Fox at the right price. This is what good teams should do taking advantage of dysfunctional franchises.

    10. The killer in that game was when Coby White and Jones Jr. made back to back 3’s to start the 4th quarter. We never climbed out of that hole.

      (And of course the severely slumping White went on to make his next 2 attempts also)

    11. So, it’s me, swift :P, and who else?

      That was me, Cyber. Unwarranted, but I think there’s at least a 20% chance the Knicks figure it out and Chicago is exposed on D.

    12. Wow I didn’t realize we had anyone who still believed we will be saved by a free agent class.

      Hindsight is 20/20, but DeRozan is still an impact player and we spent the same amount of money on complementary players like Fournier & Burks.

    13. I don’t know what Coby White’s career numbers against us are but it wouldn’t surprise me if they look like Steph Curry. That guys seems to never miss when we play him.

    14. Randle’s problem this season has been two things:

      1) His shooting has perimeter and midrange ISO/well-contested shooting has come back down to Earth so there are now more instances every game where the best choice is for him to pass or keep the offense flowing. Those cringey midrange fallaways and step back 3s were falling last season.

      2) THe team’s pivot towards less defense and more offense has also added to the pressure for Julius to pass. THe offense has to be improve more than the defense has suffered. WHen your defense makes the opponents offense really bad, you win just by having a pretty bad offense. It’s the Iverson (or Carmelo) theory of floor-raising players who can create medium efficiency offense without much help from teammates but who lack the versatility to improve a more collaborative offense the way they improve an offense where they’re the lone wolf.

      #1 and #2 both ask Randle to be more dynamic than maybe he’s capable of being.

      THing is, this game, the Bulls basically played wing at every position except for 19 mins of Tony Bradley, and to top it off, they didn’t even start doubling Randle until the 2nd half, so for once this season Randle didn’t have to be dynamic. THe best option was to give him the ball every time and let him try to score.

    15. Hubert: Wow I didn’t realize we had anyone who still believed we will be saved by a free agent class.

      So, how will you do it? The good old “winning trades”?

    16. That Bulls loss was better than the Houston win, strangely. I think the team is slowly getting back on track, but there’s still a lot to fix.

      Fox for RJ/Obi/Burks would work and could be semi-fair but not sure I want that trade to happen (plus RJ kills it with his recent terrible play). Thibs would love DRose Jr., though.

    17. rama is a bit hype for this season: That was me, Cyber. Unwarranted, but I think there’s at least a 20% chance the Knicks figure it out and Chicago is exposed on D.

      Thank God you exist, brother. I’m also (still) a believer. ;) Granted, at the beginning of the season i thought those two things had 90% chance of happening, so being at 20% after only 17 games it’s “no bueno”. But i’m hanging on to the 20% that we have left. :)

    18. I like Fox a lot, but the price probably won’t be good. If it is, then do it. At least we’d be a lot of fun to watch, and the pace would be a lot faster than it is now. Would Julius be good in a faster pace?
      Oh, and btw, if we trade for Fox, please get Queta in the same deal to be our 3rd string C. He has good health, a quality that none of our Cs seems to have.

    19. This only means so much because of arbitrary endpoints etc. but RJ’s numbers over our last 8 games truly need to be seen to be believed:

      10.1 PTS, 6.4 TRB, 2 AST, .280 FG%, .175 3PT%, .700 FT%, 24.2 USG%, .350 TS%

    20. Fox is definitely talented but I’d be hesitant to trade much for him. He hasn’t proven he can shoot well and we’re all too familiar with the limits it puts on an offense when your point guard can’t shoot.

      There very well could be a great player to unlock if he can consistently get to 37% or so but that’s a lot of risk to take on since you’re taking on his contract AND giving up, presumably, a lot of assets for him.

    21. cybersoze: So, how will you do it? The good old “winning trades”?

      We have surplus picks for a trade. That’s why we incinerated (lol) our 1st round pick instead of using it on a player management and our scouts didn’t like and that would never play anyway. The goal was and still is to trade those picks for a significant upgrade somewhere.

      The way I see it, Fournier was the mistake (especially in combination with Kemba).

      No one thought Kemba was going come to NY and be the same player he was at his peak. but we desperately needed a PG to replace Payton (who was a PROBLEM on offense last year). Getting Kemba cheaply on a short contract was a reasonable gamble and upgrade with only marginal downside risk.

      Swapping Fournier for Bullock and allowing Frank/Payton to walk was a fundamental shift in the direction of the team from a defense oriented team that needed a PG that could shoot to an offensive minded team without a real superstar scorer.

      I think Fournier is probably “net” a better player than Bullock. When you lose 3 defenders (not to mention Nerlens missing games) and add 2 scorers that are weak defensively and the team already has Randle and RJ as scoring options, you are losing a lot defensively and not adding as much as you think offensively.

      IMHO, when you are talking about defense, -1 plus -1 is often = -2.5 (we lost a lot)

      IMHO, when you are talking about scoring, 1 plus 1 is often = 1.5. (we gained less than we hoped)

      Fournier is the guy that has to be traded (if we can) for someone that’s a plus defender and we can keep searching for a long term solution at PG. Again, that’s not a knock on Fournier.

    22. thenoblefacehumper:
      This only means so much because of arbitrary endpoints etc. but RJ’s numbers over our last 8 games truly need to be seen to be believed:

      10.1 PTS, 6.4 TRB, 2 AST, .280 FG%, .175 3PT%, .700 FT%, 24.2 USG%, .350 TS%

      He’s gotta be hurt, right? Playing through a nagging injury? Please?

    23. thenoblefacehumper:
      This only means so much because of arbitrary endpoints etc. but RJ’s numbers over our last 8 games truly need to be seen to be believed:

      10.1 PTS, 6.4 TRB, 2 AST, .280 FG%, .175 3PT%, .700 FT%, 24.2 USG%, .350 TS%

      IMHO all are contributing

      1. The makeup of the team and our offensive schemes are bad.
      2. He’s being defended better, taking somewhat tougher shots, the game seems to be shifting back to being more physical inside.
      3. Random nonsense.
      4. Confidence.

      I’m not that worried about RJ yet, but it has been brutal to watch.

    24. Thank God for the December 15 rule, or you guys would’ve already traded all our roster… twice! :P

    25. cybersoze:
      Thank God for the December 15 rule, or you guys would’ve already traded all our roster… twice! :P

      Ha! Recency bias is an issue among most basketball fans.

    26. Let’s face it, our Deeefense sucks!: We have surplus picks for a trade.

      Just to be clear, i’m not in favor of a specific way to improve the team, i think we should be ready to use the way that presents itself as the best option at a given time. It’s hard to be flexible between the draft and the other two ways (free agency and trades), so as we’re trying to win, that way (draft) is not available to us. But trying to have the other two available is a good plan, and that’s why i support Leon keeping the flexibility. There was no free agents worthy of long term commitments and (maybe) let future free agents pass us by, probably much better players than the ones from the 2021 free agency class. So the way Leon planned this, we tried to keep our options open for the 2023 free agency class (i think they have their sights on Zion, but we’ll see), and that closed us the door to free agents that wanted a contract longer than 2 years. I think Lonzo has a good case to be made, that he might be worthy of skipping the strategy, but certainly not DeRozan. And at the same time, as you say, we have a boatload of picks, young players and friendly contracts, which are the ingredients necessary to go after a big fish in a trade. We just have to be patient and wait for the right one. It’s the python approach.

    27. The Fournier acquisition is pretty unfortunate since we didnt know Kemba would be available and were desperate for someone to take some offensive attention away from Julius. I dont think a backcourt of Kemba and Fournier will be very successful for us unless the offense is so good it offsets the defensive downfalls.

    28. An uplifting bit from the last comments of the last thread, when i was basically talking to myself. LOL
      But then, Alan made a comment probably thinking “poor Cyber, he’s all alone talking to himself, i had this comment for the new thread, but he’s needing some interaction, let’s do it on the (soon to be) old one”. Thanks Alan, that was very kind. :)
      And about the bit, we keep banging that the defense is the problem, but…

      In Knicks Film School newsletter:
      Another bright spot is the defense, which has been the 12th ranked unit in basketball over their last nine games. There are still issues (some open corner threes in the early fourth were their downfall last night), but on the whole, that side of the floor has gotten better as well.

      To read the whole thing: https://knicksfilmschool.substack.com/p/lost-and-found

    29. RJ Barrett is virtually tied with Rose for 2nd in usage on the team and has a .481 TS% so for all the (good and justified) analysis of our starting lineup writ large, defense, etc. it would be interesting to see what our record would be if all of his minutes went to, like, James Ennis or something

    30. Calling it a “slump” for RJ seems kind of generous at this point. We’re hitting the quarter pole of the season this week and he’s in the bottom-10 among qualified players in BPM.

    31. @Jowles: How are you doing? Is Lady Jowles getting better already, or at least keeping only the light symptons? And how are you counting the days to the end of quarantine? Did you draw a line of bars on the wall like prisoners do? :P

    32. You can tell watching Knicks broadcasts that Breen wants SO badly for RJ to snap out of this horrific slump (I mean, we all do) He tries to accentuate the few positives (rebounding, defense) but you can just feel his deflating tone every time RJ misses an open 3 or a point blank layup – “RJ Barrett now 0-8.”

      Like Oakman said in an earlier thread, you almost hope that it’s a nagging injury, because his play has been truly awful for weeks now.

    33. Doing fine. Mildest symptoms in each of us. I expect a positive test today when I go get my nose plunged again.

      We made Alison Roman’s fantastic “The Pasta” for the third or fourth time on Saturday and can still taste and smell everything. Very easy and highly recommended.

      https://pasta.com/alison-romans-shallot-pasta-recipe/

      I can’t recall a third-year regression quite like RJ’s. Puts OJ Mayo’s and Tyreke Evans’ mild regression to shame. I’m not sure what it says that my first thought was comparing him to two overhyped, banned SGs, but that’s all I could think of.

    34. I’m wondering about the hero syndrome Randle and many other players in the NBA seem to have. Could it be motivated by the bonuses they have in their contracts? Does Randle in our case need to shoot so much, or handle the ball and control the action to this degree, simply because he must get his allstar or all nba selections to make a few more millions?

      If so this is a serious flaw in the CBA. Hero syndrome is really killing the fun.

    35. ***I can’t recall a third-year regression quite like RJ’s. Puts OJ Mayo’s and Tyreke Evans’ mild regression to shame. I’m not sure what it says that my first thought was comparing him to two overhyped, banned SGs, but that’s all I could think of.***

      Even Cam Reddish seems to have bounced back a bit recently.

    36. The Honorable Cock Jowles: I can’t recall a third-year regression quite like RJ’s. Puts OJ Mayo’s and Tyreke Evans’ mild regression to shame. I’m not sure what it says that my first thought was comparing him to two overhyped, banned SGs, but that’s all I could think of.

      What’s really worrisome is that the regression is really only from three- his two point % hasn’t really regressed- it’s always been awful. 82, 86, and now 85% of league average in his 2 + seasons. If he can’t raise his 2 point % significantly the question won’t be can he be the second best player on a good team but can he even be a starter if he’s not shooting lights out from three like he did the second half of last year. Obviously he’s still really young (and it’s still pretty early in the season) but if his numbers from 2 still look like this at the end of the season it’ll be a real cause for concern going forward

    37. Three things about RJ that I believe to be true (so some of you can just skip to the next post now…).

      One, he really should be benched for a few games to get his head back (I don’t believe he’s injured, you don’t get 15 rebounds if you’re hurting). This is as much for my sore eyes and nauseated stomach as for him.

      Two, I’m less worried than some. He’s had terrible, horrible stretches every year he’s been a pro. Not a great thing, to be honest, but I’d put a small amount of money that we have Good RJ by the halfway point.

      But three, the two-point shooting Nicos brings up is a real thing. And if he doesn’t learn to do something besides those great, sweeping circle drives to the left on his way to the hoop in the hopes his defensive guy gets exhausted and falls behind and he’s not met at the rim by some seven-footer, he’s not going to be a very good basketball player.

    38. nicos: What’s really worrisome is that the regression is really only from three- his two point % hasn’t really regressed- it’s always been awful. 82, 86, and now 85% of league average in his 2 + seasons. If he can’t raise his 2 point % significantly the question won’t be can he be the second best player on a good team but can he even be a starter if he’s not shooting lights out from three like he did the second half of last year. Obviously he’s still really young (and it’s still pretty early in the season) but if his numbers from 2 still look like this at the end of the season it’ll be a real cause for concern going forward

      I think this is a really crucial point. I believe the 3 is going to come back (it looked so pure to start the year), but so far his efforts to add to his offensive game are not going well at all; he’s taking some more off-the-dribble 3s but they’re not going particularly well, and as nicos highlighted he’s still really poor inside the arc despite taking a generally more favorable diet of 2s (more assisted, fewer floater zone, fewer long 2).

      So where does that leave you with RJ the player? His offensive game is wholly reliant on a streaky 3-ball to even approach average efficiency and every other part of it is beyond iffy, and his defense is hated by most of the advanced metrics. It seems like most people regard him as a good defensive player but I don’t think you could say his transition to #1 defensive option has gone great. In all likelihood, he’s going to be making a lot of money starting next year but I’m less sure than ever of his path to being even an average NBA player.

    39. RE RJ: you folks are better tracking the advanced stats than I will ever be, but I and some others here proposed that RJ might do better on the second unit running more with Obi and DRose and IQ. The idea was to swap Burks for RJ in the starting lineup. I’m not sure if there’s any useful evidence to support, but my eye says RJ and Randle play too similar a slow “bullish” type of game, and that RJ gets his (only?) easy baskets in transition. Consequently, I think he would have more opportunities for that on the second unit. Also, (eye alert) when he has been solid from three, I have the impression that it usually comes in a quicker offense (i.e. coming from behind in the 4th Q) and not at all in the pound it out half court sets found in Qs 1 and 3. He bricks most of those according to my eye.

      Honestly I don’t know if any of that could change RJ’s future, but he has given me (us) some exciting games in a short career. I’d love to see the kid get every opportunity to shine.

    40. LeBlow?

      That pasta looks tasty

      I don’t believe RJ is this bad. But his ceiling is looking quite low.

    41. They had to suspend LeBron to save face but as usual the attacker get suspended for less games than the attacked.
      This is not the way to prevent felonies, even if Stewart’s reaction is considered excessive (we don’t know what LeBron said to him in the first skirmish or Davis and Westbrook said to him later).
      The kid got 8 stitches on the eye, he had all the reasons to be pissed and LeBron’s hit was clearly out of frustration because the Lakers were playing like shit and losing with a miserable team.

    42. Max: Rose is questionable for tomorrow game with a sore right ankle…

      Two weeks ago this would be devastating news, but with the way he’s playing recently, maybe we won’t even notice. Next man up: Grimes. :)

    43. Grimes or Deuce? Grimes isn’t a point guard. Then again, the way our team is constructed you don’t really need to plug a point guard into Rose’s position, especially with IQ (and Burks, not to mention Randle) out there.

    44. It would have been troubling if RJ merely hit a plateau after his solid sophomore year. Really you would like to see more development. To see him playing like this… I dunno man. He’s looking pretty bust-tastic.

    45. ***I don’t believe RJ is this bad. But his ceiling is looking quite low.***

      And there’s a hole in his floor.

    46. Hard to believe it was only 3 weeks ago that this was posted here:

      Deeefense
      October 30, 2021 at 7:20 pm
      RJ is my new favorite Knick. He going to be sooooo good. We just have to be patient.

      (Looks like he may be on the old stratomatic 6-year-plan for developing young draft picks)

    47. You can feel the poll content coming.

      Are the Knicks most likely to have a wins total in:

      The Thirties
      The Forties
      The Fifties

    48. I’m having a hard time seeing us finishing ahead of any of the Bucks, Nets, Heat, Hawks, or Sixers, and I can’t imagine us finishing ahead of all of the Celts, Bulls, and Hornets. Looks like the play-in is our destiny. And that’s not a guarantee. Indiana, Washington and Cleveland are all capable of duking it out for the 7-10 spots.

      We had better start improving or else…

    49. Coby “Steph” White apparently saved it all for us…as did the coveted Lonzo Ball with a 25-minute donut that would make Frank proud…

    50. Since we don’t have Frank to kick around tonight, in the Ex Knicks news our man Willy H is having a game, 13-9 with a plus 11 while his team gets badly spanked by the Timberwolves.

      I remember the “Willy will save us” days like they were yesterday…

    51. Z-man:
      Coby “Steph” White apparently saved it all for us…as did the coveted Lonzo Ball with a 25-minute donut that would make Frank proud…

      The difference is that Ball was minus 32, while somehow, inexplicably, Frank would have been plus 5.

    52. Raven: The difference is that Ball was minus 32, while somehow, inexplicably, Frank would have been plus 5.

      Frank is more of a french cruller

    53. struggling a bit with inertia at the moment, flipping between kings/sixers and eli & payton doing the football game…

      too funny that despite growing up down south – eli sounds like such a new yorker now…

    54. speaking of alumni analyses…would also like to hear Bob Neptunes take on daniel jones now…sure that would be a good read…

    55. pepper: speaking of alumni analyses…would also like to hear Bob Neptunes take on daniel jones now…sure that would be a good read…

      I would love to hear djphan’s take on RJB’s woes. If I get even a hint of ruruland out of him, I will be sorely disappointed.

    56. Sure, Jowles, I’d love to hear more “if he does this, this and this, he’s Paul Pierce”-level analysis. But hey, maybe he and Brandon Clarke are using the same 3pt shooting coach….

      All kidding aside, RJ will figure it out. I’m pretty confident that what I saw last year and the first few games of this year was not a fluke. That said, I think we can put the untouchable perennial all-star talk to bed. He probably tops out at at most $20-25mill AAV player who is prone to these prolonged cold shooting spells because of his dubious mechanics and limited athleticism. But he’s smart, tough, durable and hard-working, so as long as he isn’t your go-to guy he can certainly be a reasonably valuable player on a winning team.

      My probalm with RJ is that he will probably get paid like a star when he clearly isn’t one. So the best outcome would be to wait until he puts it all together for a prolonged stretch and then use him in a trade package for a better player.

    57. Can the player that represents what RJ can be, although at a different position and slightly different strengths (when young), be on our team?

    58. And how many of you are seeing what i’m seeing, a clear case of needing to choose one or the other? They overlap a lot, it’s counterproductive to have them both.

    59. Willy Unleashed! 19 (on 9 shots) and 11 in 22 minutes. +17.

      I wonder how much of that was in garbage time?

    60. Raven: The difference is that Ball was minus 32, while somehow, inexplicably, Frank would have been plus 5.

      The Frank Effect in full bloom…

    61. The good: from the teams ahead of us, that aren’t “unreachable”, only Charlotte won. Chicago and Washington lost. One team tied with us lost (Cleveland) and is probably losing steam. Bye, bye, Cleveland, see ya. :D

      The bad: from the 4 teams tied with us, 3 won although 2 of them are probably in the “unreachable” category (Milwaukee and Philadelphia).

      The very bad: we’re now 9th and Atlanta is still behind us, but closing in rapidly on a 5 game winning streak.

      The worst: One of the teams tied with us that won and is now ahead of us goes by the name Celtics. :|

    62. What’s looking more and more like a valid comparison for RJ is Shump…although I can’t speak for RJ’s dancing.

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