Knicks Morning News (2021.10.24)

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    1. Donnie Walsh:
      ***one of my good friends was real good friends with mick jones…***

      I typically don’t like to name drop my friends, but it’s saturday night and I’m home alone reading Knickerblogger, so I’ll go ahead and say what I’ve been wanting to say here for a while now: I’ve recently become friends with a member of the Straight Shot. It’s really quite exciting. I’m basically just a local gig away from entering the Inner Circle y’all have only imagined in your deepest, darkest nightmares, haha.

      Dropping this news at 2 am? Crazy!

      I am excited for the poll.

      “What percentage of the friends they have made in the past 5 years are Knicks fans digging for incriminating dirt.”

    2. Owen: Dropping this news at 2 am? Crazy!
      I am excited for the poll.
      “What percentage of the friends they have made in the past 5 years are Knicks fans digging for incriminating dirt.”

      LOL

    3. I’m liking even more this season’s Thibs, he looks way happier, he’s funnier, and he downplays everything the press throws at him.

      After the game, Tom Thibodeau explained his reasoning for keeping Randle in the game for as long as he did.
      “Well, they made a run. We still have a lot to work on, so that’s what we’re doing,” Thibodeau said. “… If you’re in there, work on finishing, that’s what you’re supposed to do. We needed everyone.”
      “The one thing I can assure you, I know that if I play him too much, you’re gonna let me know,” Thibodeau said to the media with a smile on his face. “If I don’t play him enough, you’re gonna let me know. And the one thing I know for certain, it’s never the right amount.”

    4. Revisiting the Obi/Hali discussion from the last thread, I still think Hali would be better for this team, both for the fit — we still don’t have a long-term PG solution after all these years, though I’m comfortable with our old guys for another couple of seasons — and from a trade value standpoint. People have talked about Hali as a core part of a potential Sacramento trade package for Simmons, and Obi isn’t there yet. I’m glad Obi is turning out to be a real player, and I enjoy watching him more than anyone else on the team. But Obi will have to do this more consistently, and in more minutes (which are hard to come by when he shares Julius’ position), for the league to look at him as someone as valuable as Hali, even if Hali tops out as a great secondary playmaker rather than a pure star PG.

    5. Everyone still so sure they’d prefer Halibuteon over Obi?

      Emphatically yes.

      I’m happy Obi has developed from unplayable to impactful, but let’s not get carried away. Halliburton plays the most important position in the game, and he played it very well at age 20.

      Obi is unique, talented, and a joy to root for. But his limited shooting and defense means he’s unlikely to be a player you can ever close out games with. We all saw how boston took advantage of his presence on both ends in their comeback Wednesday

    6. I would’ve drafted Haliburton last year, but I wouldn’t trade Obi for him straight up at this point. Everyone thought he was a big coming out of college, but he is more of a 3-4. He is one of the fastest guys in the league end to end, even with the ball in his hands. He is what we hoped Knox would be. If we try to make a trade for another all star, teams are going to want both him an Quickley. I really hope we resist the temptation

    7. Hali wouldn’t fit Thibs’ PG profile and would end up a shooting wing/secondary ball handler, which we now have in Evan.

      If Obi keeps improving, he becomes a really hard piece for teams to find: switchable transition big with a 3pt shot and good rim and man defense. He’s not quite there yet, but seems to be getting better by the day.

      Plus, I think people underestimate the “hometown kid” thing.

    8. Obi is raising his trade value but would still rather Haliburton. He isnt a world beater but would be great to have a stable PG for the first time in forever.

    9. Obi looks like a young Marcus Camby right now. Comparing him to Hali is apples to oranges except for draft positioning. I loved the play where they fucked up the fast break. There were two K’s under the hoop and Obi caught it and coaxed it home from an impossible angle. He has tantalizing skills to go with exceptional athleticism.

      On a good, team, a front office drafts excellent athletes who are smart and hard working and then a good coaching staff develops those players and puts them in a position to succeed. That’s happening right now in a dynamic way on this roster. Also, Randle, our best player, is also our hardest working and least selfish. So, Obi’s in a perfect spot to justify our love, lol.

      No, star fucker trades please. Though, I would have faith that Rose could pull one off that wouldn’t be “the Melodrama” if it came to it.

    10. Not sure I see the Camby comp but I am definitely ready to get unreasonably excited about Obi.

      Him breaking out and turning into a real player would be the least Knicksy thing to have happened in 20 years.

      With the “blood in the ground” angle on top.

    11. I don’t know what starfuck trade is even out there rn that makes sense:

      – I wouldn’t trade for a frontcourt player at all
      – hell no to Simmons/Kyrie
      – Lillard ain’t leaving
      – Paul is too old

      Who does that leave? Pass on Brogdon/McCollum type tweener guards. Booker if the Suns’ situation blows up? Don’t know if he’s worth it. Fox? Don’t love him. Rookies/2nd year guys? Too risky. Idk maybe Doncic demands a trade, but there would be better rebuild offers. Plus yeah, I like what we’re building.

    12. Camby’s calling card was his D. Not sure I see that in Obi’s future. But hey, I am ready for him to surprise me.

    13. I think Obi out there with Mitch or Randle or even Sims is just going to be hard to beat.
      The Knicks have so many athletic bigs with moves it will be impossible to keep them away from the bucket…and with their long range ability, this might be an amazing season.
      Still early and a weak schedule, but I think these guys can play with anyone.
      I think Mitch’s new found strength and size is also going to be important against elite bigs.

      It will continue to turn on the D. Thibs will get that right.

    14. Max:
      We’re going 3-0 as the Bulls,
      two games against Orlando for us, two against Detroit sans Cade for them, unbalanced schedule.
      Pound the scrubs!

      P.S. Good morning Geo!

      I know what you mean. At the moment the top four teams in the East are NY, Chicago, Washington and Charlotte. That is not going to last.

    15. Forget who was a Mo Bamba freak on this site, but from the local newspaper piece above, it turns out he may be a useful NBA player (tiny sample size caveat). I missed a lot of the last game, didn’t notice him, but will be looking later today.

      ‘Following a preseason where he led the league in blocks at 3.8 rejections per game, Bamba is averaging 3.0 blocks per contest during the regular season, which ranks fourth best in the association. Along with leading the Magic in rejections, he’s also posting team-bests in points (16.5) and 3-pointers made per game (3.0) as well as leading Orlando in field goal percentage (70.6) and 3-point percentage (66.7).’

    16. Knick fan not in NJ: I know what you mean.At the moment the top four teams in the East are NY, Chicago, Washington and Charlotte.That is not going to last.

      Yes, at the same time I don’t want to underestimate our wins (and the other teams’ ones), those are in the bank, and you can only beat what the schedule gives you.

      But we need at last 12-15 games to stabilize and balance things a bit.
      After tonight’s game we host Phila then fly to Chicago and New Orleans, interesting week,

    17. Part of the Obi question is how much time Thibs can find for him given that Randle is going to carry a heavy minutes load. When all three main centers are healthy — or even when he has two of the top three available — will we see the smallball lineup much? Can Obi defend at small forward at all, or would quick wings just eat him alive?

      Randle is going nowhere, and rightly so. He’s our foundational piece, even if he’s ideally a number two option on a team with a true superstar. So is a guy who plays the same position more valuable to us as a great bench piece, or as part of a trade? Again, I love Obi. It makes me so happy to see him play well, more than any Knick has in years. I would be sad if he got traded away from the hometown team. But long-term, it feels he’s destined to be part of a package — and maybe, in time, the headliner of such a package — for a star of the near future who wants out of his current situation.

    18. Last year, a 20 year old Haliburton put up 13ppg, 3rpg, 5.3apg, 1.3spg with shooting splits of 52/40/85 and eFG of 106 and TS of 102. I appreciate that Obi looks like an actual NBA player so far this season but he’s worlds away from what Haliburton put up his rookie year and Obi’s 2 years older. Right now, his value is basically as a rim running big without the defense and rebounding and to whoever said that Obi has a 3point shot, he shot 30% last year and is shooting 28% so far this year.

    19. Picking Obi over Halliburton is a sign that your tribal loyalties have fucked your brain all the way up.

      Knicks a 12-point favorite? Who’s injured on Orlando, or are they just that bad?

    20. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Knicks a 12-point favorite? Who’s injured on Orlando, or are they just that bad?

      Orlando’s tanking and playing the youth. They have a super young roster and their oldest starter is 23 year old Mo Bamba. Terrence Ross and Robin Lopez are the only players on their roster at least 30 years old; Moritz Wagner is the 3rd oldest player on the team and he’s 24.

    21. vincoug: Right now, his value is basically as a rim running big without the defense and rebounding and to whoever said that Obi has a 3point shot, he shot 30% last year and is shooting 28% so far this year.

      This, plus his half court offense is still questionable. If teams slow the fastbreak Obi may look useless again.

    22. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Knicks a 12-point favorite? Who’s injured on Orlando, or are they just that bad?

      If we don’t win by 20, even playing them back-to-back, that’s a red flag. Magic are filled with promise and currently atrocious.

    23. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Knicks a 12-point favorite? Who’s injured on Orlando, or are they just that bad?

      Both. They’re one of the worst teams in the league, and they’re missing their 2 best players – Fultz and Isaac.

    24. One thing to remember with Obi as far as his age is that he started playing basketball pretty late. Age is important but years someone has played organize ball before entering the NBA is also important. OBI might have more of a ceiling than some other players his age bc he started later.

    25. I am definitely ready to get unreasonably excited about Obi.

      I am right there with you. But it seems the Leon Rose truthers want to channel this excitement to remove a noticeable blemish from his record. I’m not here for that. Anyone who wouldn’t trade Obi for Halliburton is harboring extreme endowment bias.

    26. Raven: Forget who was a Mo Bamba freak on this site, but from the local newspaper piece above, it turns out he may be a useful NBA player (tiny sample size caveat). I missed a lot of the last game, didn’t notice him, but will be looking later today.

      ‘Following a preseason where he led the league in blocks at 3.8 rejections per game, Bamba is averaging 3.0 blocks per contest during the regular season, which ranks fourth best in the association. Along with leading the Magic in rejections, he’s also posting team-bests in points (16.5) and 3-pointers made per game (3.0) as well as leading Orlando in field goal percentage (70.6) and 3-point percentage (66.7).’

      I was a big fan before that draft, I was thinking a Dikembe Mutombo with a jump shot which would be an amazing player. So I’m disappointed so far. It’s nice to see he’s becoming better, but after watching the Knicks Magic replay I don’t see a real difference maker there.

    27. GHenman
      October 24, 2021 at 9:37 am
      I would’ve drafted Haliburton last year, but I wouldn’t trade Obi for him straight up at this point. Everyone thought he was a big coming out of college, but he is more of a 3-4.

      I do suffer from endowment bias, but I don’t see Haliburton as more of a combo guard than a point guard from what I’ve seen. If we make that trade, who sits? Kemba? Quickley? Who plays back up 4? Knox? My fucked up tribal brain thinks this is a better roster with Obi.

    28. Correction: I do see Haliburton as a combo guard and so do the Kings. That’s why they drafted Mitchell.

    29. The Kings are probably the worst run organization in the NBA. Who cares what they do or think?

    30. It seems premature to close the book on Halliburton or Obi. It’s been two games. Plenty of time left in their careers.

      I liked Halliburton better every step of the way but will be very happy to be wrong. And I can sort of see why some might prefer him right now for our roster.

      The story right now is Thibs though, not a player. Someone will provide examples but I can’t remember a coach making this radical of a change.

    31. I didn’t mean to single you out, GHenman. The original point made by Z-Man, though, was more like “maybe Leon was right after all.” You’re fine to prefer Obi for your own reasons, but I’m not down with that kind of revision.

    32. Trading Obi for Hali straight up and not doing any other trades, i agree with the reasoning that it’d be a bad move (unbalanced roster). But let’s say we’re doing a re-draft of the 2020 NBA Draft, who would pick Obi ahead of Hali? Not me. And there’s a case to be made that there’s more players leapfrogging Obi. Tyrese Maxey and Saddiq Bey comes to mind.

    33. No offense taken Hubert. I’m definitely not the most objective person, when it comes to the Knicks.

    34. Early Bird: Pat Riley

      Yeah, it occurred to me. Doesn’t feel exactly the same but it’s a good one.

      The fact Thibs can change this much is kind of rocking my world.

    35. Owen: Yeah, it occurred to me. Doesn’t feel exactly the same but it’s a good one.

      The fact Thibs can change this much is kind of rocking my world.

      Yeah, I think it’s because we’ve seen Thibs at multiple stops running the same thing and Thibs is the most hardheaded, immutable coach there is… or so we all thought.

    36. The positional scarcity of guards with Haliburton’s skillset compared to bigs with Obi’s is such that Obi has a very long way to go before this is even a conversation. Right now 30 GMs are taking Haliburton in a re-draft, and they’re all correct to do so.

      I will give an inch and say Obi’s play in this tiniest of sample sizes has made me entertain the thought it could one day be a conversation. At a minimum, Obi would have to:

      1) become an reliable spot up 3PT shooter
      2) turn the playmaking flashes he’s shown into a consistent weapon (this was a thing of beauty)
      3) continue developing defensively, specifically be able to hold down the fort as a 5 at least for stretches with some switchability

      If he does all of those things, he has a chance to be a unique enough big to defeat the positional scarcity argument if he also scores at a higher volume and with better efficiency than Haliburton too.

    37. Thibs is a good enough coach to accept the changes in the game and adapt. He’s not some old crusty mustachioed hippie who insists on playing 1995-style basketball in 2021 just to prove how much smarter he is than everybody else.

    38. JK47: old crusty mustachioed hippie who insists on playing 1995-style basketball in 2021

      Oh, the good ol’ times. :D

    39. Not (yet) hugely convinced of Thibs as a major change agent. He’s gone to the 3-pter big time, but really, I see that as his assistants spending all summer yelling that the team was one of the more efficient 3-pt-shooting teams in the NBA and one yet shooting the 3 at an alarmingly low rate, and this year they team is liable to be even better; and that a 3-pter is worth more than a 2-pter. It’d be kind of criminal to ignore that. But credit that he didn’t ignore it, I guess.

      As for the small-ball lineup, that was forced on him due to injuries/absence. We’ll see how often he pulls it out when Noel and Taj are back. I’m hoping for at least 10+ minutes a game, depending on match-ups, but we’ll see. The 48-minute, two-headed, rim-protecting monster is pretty tantalizing, even to me.

      Now if he starts sticking Deuce and Grimes into blowouts with like eight minutes to play, I will happily bow down to the New and Improved Thibs.

    40. With 8 rotation players all potentially 38% 3PT shooters, I do wonder how much their ceiling changes if they continue to shoot 45 3s a game. Fun times.

    41. Not sure I’d trade James Toppin Worthy for Halli but I’m wondering if we’ll regret choosing Fournier over Lonzo.

    42. cybersoze:
      Trading Obi for Hali straight up and not doing any other trades, i agree with the reasoning that it’d be a bad move (unbalanced roster). But let’s say we’re doing a re-draft of the 2020 NBA Draft, who would pick Obi ahead of Hali? Not me. And there’s a case to be made that there’s more players leapfrogging Obi. Tyrese Maxey and Saddiq Bey comes to mind.

      Agreed.
      I think there’s 3 things being said here:
      -the argument that Obi fits this roster better than Haliburton, while acknowledging that…
      -Haliburton is still better than Obi, and
      -his rookie year validated his draft position while Obi’s didn’t.

      The fact this mini-debate is happening is a testament to Obi’s improvement and the work of this coaching staff.

    43. I’m wondering if we’ll regret choosing Fournier over Lonzo

      Did we, though? I don’t know why Lonzo chose chicago.

      I guess if we had wanted Lonzo it’s safe to assume he would have preferred to come here.

    44. I think a better question than Fournier vs Lonzo is Burks/Noel/Knox (stretched or traded in this scenario) over Lonzo. I like both Burks and Noel but think $18M+ AAV for them was our least efficient use of space this offseason.

      Assuming Lonzo would’ve signed the same contract with us as he did with the Bulls, we chose the flexibility and continuity that came with keeping those guys over Lonzo’s upside. I probably would’ve came out the other way.

    45. Ingmarrrr:
      Not sure I’d trade James Toppin Worthy for Halli but I’m wondering if we’ll regret choosing Fournier over Lonzo.

      Or… Lonzo chose Chicago over the Knicks…? These things happen.

      Brings me on my next point about the point guard position: we all would love the Knicks to draft that ever so elusive “PG of the Future”. But I like this Plan B they’re executing: implementing competent, cost efficient stopgaps that afford them time to either groom a long-term lead guard or trade for the right one.

    46. Obi’s 9/10 2p and 52min in 2 games are the super bright spots right now.
      Taking him over Haliburton needs a few more tho…
      Let’s just say that He’s the hottest prospect in the team right now with not so limited upside.
      Still imagine him as a 2020’s version of SKemp.

    47. THibs is willing to shoot more 3s because Kemba can make them (Payton could not) and Fournier can create them and spot up (and Bullock could mostly only spot up). When you combine that with better overall PG play you are going to get a few extra good ones just because of the skills of players in the lineup and hopefully a few extra here or there because of the better overall offense, penetration, pace etc..

      Thibs is not a dummy. We were a high percentage 3 point shooting club last year despite our lack of elite shooting skills because he limited the team to good shots for their skills they did have.

      More shooting skills = more good shots = more attempts.

      He’s not changing that much. He’s adapting the strategy to the players he has now.

    48. I like Deuce and I still think that he can become our Marcus Smart type of player.

    49. thenoblefacehumper:
      I think a better question than Fournier vs Lonzo is Burks/Noel/Knox (stretched or traded in this scenario) over Lonzo. I like both Burks and Noel but think $18M+ AAV for them was our least efficient use of space this offseason.

      Assuming Lonzo would’ve signed the same contract with us as he did with the Bulls, we chose the flexibility and continuity that came with keeping those guys over Lonzo’s upside. I probably would’ve came out the other way.

      Yes, makes sense.

      Watching Lonzo’s outlet passes to a running Obi would have been spectacular fun.

    50. David Lee was a low-center-of-gravity, ground-bound big who had good post footwork, regularly got over 10 rebounds a game for a season, and never, ever took a 3.

      Now if you look at Obi’s three-game stats so far and compare them to James Worthy’s second season…

      Jobi Toppinworthy!

      Fun to say, anyway.

    51. Raven:
      David Lee was a low-center-of-gravity, ground-bound big who had good post footwork, regularly got over 10 rebounds a game for a season, and never, ever took a 3.

      Now if you look at Obi’s three-game stats so far and compare them to James Worthy’s second season…

      Jobi Toppinworthy!

      Fun to say, anyway.

      Haha. Yes! I wrote the same Obi = James Worthy comparison in last year’s playoffs. I want him to get the goggles. ;-)

    52. David Lee was very athletic, even won a slam dunk contest in high school or college don’t remember which one.

    53. David Lee wasn’t ground-bound at all. Early in Lee’s career he was best in the pick and roll and was a very good finisher around the rim and dunked a lot. He was totally an above-the-rim player that over time morphed into more of a mid-range jump shooter. Also, Lee’s lack of a three-point shot was more due to when he played. If Lee entered the league now he would shoot a lot more threes. All those long twos that he took in his prime would be three-point shots.

    54. It’s weird to feel relieved the knicks are playing knowing I’ll get to root for a competent team

    55. miles bridges is legitimately good at most things now. he can shoot, he ‘s turned into quite a passer, he’s obviously an A plus finisher, and he is fairly switchable decent defender.

    56. Agree about DLee being a terrific player. I loved watching him.

      I think Lee had a stockier frame than Worthy or Obi, and I don’t remember him as a big fast break guy, but he was quicksilver around the hoop, no doubt.

      BTW – Obi has also shown some good passing around the basket. He’d be lucky to end up as good as either of those two guys

    57. Jobi Toppinworthy was/are both 6’9″, 225.

      Sylvia topped out at 5’9″. Tall for a poet, but still not a good comp.

      The best poet on the break was Tennyson.

    58. Obi was reportedly a very good playmaker at Dayton. Maybe at some stage of his career he can be a Randle type fulcrum from the PF spot.

    59. Durant is so good you could take Harden away from the Nets and they might still make the Finals

    60. Durant is so good you could take Harden away from the Nets and they might still make the Finals

      It’s pretty nuts.

    61. Raven:
      Jobi Toppinworthy was/are both 6’9?, 225.

      Sylvia topped out at 5’9?. Tall for a poet, but still not a good comp.

      The best poet on the break was Tennyson.

      If we’re going to open comps up to include Plath and Tennyson, you have to consider Bill Shakespeare. Probably had the most versatile game we’ve ever seen. Not the fastest guy (his best game is over 30,000 words) but, when needed, he could get to the hoop in as few as twelve lines. Unlike Plath and Tennyson, Bill was a monster on the boards, too.

    62. KB Apprentice, totally give you Will on the boards; but Alfred could bang out three breaks while for Will, they stumble that run fast.

    63. Hubert:
      I didn’t mean to single you out, GHenman. The original point made by Z-Man, though, was more like “maybe Leon was right after all.” You’re fine to prefer Obi for your own reasons, but I’m not down with that kind of revision.

      This is such an obnoxious thing to say. I never mentioned Rose or insinutated that liking Obi is in any way a validation of his draft strategy. If you were intellectially honest enough to go back and check the draft day thread, I was totally down for drafting Hali and not high on drafting Obi. Why do you have a bug up your ass for viewing everything through the “I hated the Leon Rose hire and anything good that anyone (especially Z-man) points out is a threat to my original (and in retrospect stupid) positon? Whether you agree or disagree with the Obi draft, Leon’s record speaks for itself. In less than two years time,. the Knicks are being taken very seriously as a well-run franchise Why do you need to twist what I am saying around to fit an utterly failed narrative on your part?

    64. You young guys may not know Homer, but he was epic! They made so many new rules because of him. He’d demolish all these newer poets.

    65. Love watching the Nets get their asses kicked in front of the home “fans”

      Btw, did anyone see the pro Kyrie anti vax protests outside of Barclays? Looked like 1/6

    66. Watching Bridges play like this is soooo painful…
      And if his last two games are the new normal, Charlotte will be a pain in the ass all season long…

    67. Max:
      Watching Bridges play like this is soooo painful…
      And if his last two games are the new normal, Charlotte will be a pain in the ass all season long…

      Yeah, but let’s not forget that Miles Bridges was a dreaded KBer outcome for the entire year prior to that draft. Loads of fatalistic ’cause Knicks posts re: Miles Bridges is our destiny…

    68. Yeah, but let’s not forget that Miles Bridges was a dreaded KBer outcome for the entire year prior to that draft. Loads of fatalistic ’cause Knicks posts re: Miles Bridges is our destiny…

      It really and truly wasn’t that I (and I imagine others) didn’t want Miles Bridges period, it was just that he was very clearly the tenth best guy out of a nine person draft and the Knicks were picking 9th, so he shouldn’t have been the guy, ya know? I would have been fine with Bridges at #10, but he shouldn’t have been taken at #9. The tragic thing was that Mikal Bridges lasted all the way to #9 and they still just passed. Sigh.

    69. Brian Cronin: It really and truly wasn’t that I (and I imagine others) didn’t want Miles Bridges period, it was just that he was very clearly the tenth best guy out of a nine person draft and the Knicks were picking 9th, so he shouldn’t have been the guy, ya know? I would have been fine with Bridges at #10, but he shouldn’t have been taken at #9. The tragic thing was that Mikal Bridges lasted all the way to #9 and they still just passed. Sigh.

      I think this is sugar-coating the MB dread…clearly the KB hive mind thougt of him as a negative outcome, meaning a low ceiling generic athletic wing. And folks were mixed on Mikal (I admit to being a skeptic, thinking he was also a low-ceiling 3-and-d guy you could find cheaply in the bargain bin, e.g. Reggie Bullock. And I still feel that way about him, in the sense that he is now overpaid for a low-usage defensive 3-and-d guy. But hey, we were all unanimously in the “either Bridges is better than Knox” camp, so whatever.)

    70. I think this is sugar-coating the MB dread…clearly the KB hive mind thougt of him as a negative outcome, meaning a low ceiling generic athletic wing. And folks were mixed on Mikal (I admit to being a skeptic, thinking he was also a low-ceiling 3-and-d guy you could find cheaply in the bargain bin, e.g. Reggie Bullock. And I still feel that way about him, in the sense that he is now overpaid for a low-usage defensive 3-and-d guy. But hey, we were all unanimously in the “either Bridges is better than Knox” camp, so whatever.)

      I loved Mikal so much at the time. I was, like, counting down the days until they could get him. :) I’m not even saying it made sense, but I was so all in on him.

    71. The Mikal love was real, but so was the Miles dread. It still was a shock that Philly drafted him as a hometown kid, then traded him for Zhaire and an unprotected 1st and still wound up losing that trade! But hey, F Philly!

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