Knicks Morning News (2021.09.22)

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    55 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.09.22)”

    1. Knicks beat news! Fred Katz (formerly the Wizards beat writer) is succeeding Vorkunov as The Athletic’s main Knicks reporter. I haven’t read a ton of his stuff, but have heard good things.

    2. Yeah yeah swift, it was definitely Hinkie and The Process that paid Tobias Harris and Al Horford $300M and forced Markelle Fultz to fall off a motorcycle and failed to retain quality pieces like Noel and Robert Covington

      Fucking delusional

    3. Brian, time to bring back the all-poll content so we can figure out which subject is the most divisive on Knickerblogger Dot Net:

      1)Frank Ntilikina: Threat or menace?
      2)Did The Process fail the Sixers, or did the Sixers fail The Process?
      3)Proper power-lifting technique
      4)Musical theory

    4. Alan:
      Brian, time to bring back the all-poll content so we can figure out which subject is the most divisive on Knickerblogger Dot Net:

      1)Frank Ntilikina: Threat or menace?
      2)Did The Process fail the Sixers, or did the Sixers fail The Process?
      3)Proper power-lifting technique
      4)Musical theory

      Personally, I think if the 76ers had Frank Ntilikina they would have won a championship. At least he would have shot better and been less afraid than Simmons in the playoffs (how that is humanly possible I don’t know, but almost surely accurate). lmao

      I’m not sure if Frank powerlifts or knows much about modes, but give him 3 years and he’d own both!

    5. @wojespn
      Free agent G Theo Pinson will go to training camp with the Boston Celtics, sources tell ESPN. Pinson spent parts of his first three NBA seasons with the Nets and Knicks.

      Uh-oh, he’s going to fix all the Celtics’ locker room problems!

    6. The Knicks have won 50+ games exactly once since I was 5 years old. You can pretty much pencil that in for the Sixers every year these days.

      I sure hope whatever we’re doing “fails” as badly as The Process.

    7. You should hear Frank’s blues licks

      A few more years of development and he might be good enough to play rhythm guitar for The Straight Shot if the regular guy hurts his fingers

    8. Alan:
      Brian, time to bring back the all-poll content so we can figure out which subject is the most divisive on Knickerblogger Dot Net:

      1)Frank Ntilikina: Threat or menace?
      2)Did The Process fail the Sixers, or did the Sixers fail The Process?
      3)Proper power-lifting technique
      4)Musical theory

      I feel very attacked. But was there a powerlifting thread that I missed? Or was I the sole participant in the last one? I feel there was no debate, just me explaining how my previously-scrawny ass got glutes that make fit college girls do a double take.

    9. Z-man: This from the guy who was recently admonishing me to calm down?!

      I’m in rural IL on a compulsory work-training trip and am the only person wearing a mask. I am counting the seconds to getting aboard that plane in a healthy state, because the two options, should I come down with a 100.5+ fever between now and then: driving 30 hours in a rental car or quarantining in Sycamore, IL until I prove a negative test. And there’s no tennis, legal weed or Lady Jowles glutes near me.

      Jowles is not a happy Jowles right now.

    10. Brian, time to bring back the all-poll content so we can figure out which subject is the most divisive on Knickerblogger Dot Net:

      I much prefer the all-algorithm content. :)

    11. The fact that you need to say “fucking delusional” just proves to me how fragile your position on the process at this point in time is. Deep down inside you know I’m right but you can’t admit it because you’re entire persona on this blog has been defined by you being the logical, right one who knows the correct way to team build and everyone else’s intellect is inferior to you. So you say I’m “fucking delusional” because its an easy way to deflect.

      The whole point is that Fultz, like every other draft pick, wasn’t sure thing. So tanking multiple years for players like him, Okafor, Simmons…is “fucking delusional” because there is no guarantee that even a slam dunk consensus number one pick will turn into a star or even a productive player. But I guess you would argue that is just part of the process and if they only just kept at it for a few more seasons, they would have found another star to pair with Embiid (who is also an injury concern).

      And yeah, they overpaid for Tobias Harris. But Harris is a good player and if you’re going to build a real team around your draft picks that you processed for, you’ll probably have at least one Harris on your team. The Bucks traded away all the picks for Holiday. If they lose in the second round, everyone would be saying they were morons but they won a title, so that was a genius move.

      There is no world where a competitive team doesn’t overpay for someone. There is no world where a competitive team won’t go all in by trading picks or giving up a promising young player for an established vet to “get them over the top.” These moves are either brilliant or incredibly stupid depending on whether the team wins it all or not.

      But there is a world a team doesn’t have to have the worst record in the league for 4 or 5 seasons in order to accumulate top 5 lottery picks in order to build a contender. Philly could literally blow it up after this season if they get a bad return on Simmons and flame out…

    12. We’ve won 50 games once in the last 20 years but its not like we had any real good plans for rebuilding during that time until basically two years ago.

      I’m not anti-rebuilding, accumulating draft picks, etc. Just anti-process where you purposefully field that worst possible team for 3,4, 5 years in a row to try and get top 5 lottery picks. Good players are drafted all over the draft. You can sign good young players in free agency or make trades. Hiring a competent coach and coaching staff is important too. Teams like the Kings and Twolves have sucked for decades despite constantly having top 5 picks. They may not have said they were processing but they de facto were.

      the Knicks problem wasn’t that htey didn’t process. Its that they cleared cap space for Lebron but spent it on STAT and then double downed by trading everything for Melo, who was not only redundant with STAT but not a two way player and was oftentimes selfish. They’re problem was trading for Marbury and then Eddie Curry and then signing ZBo who was redundant with Curry. Their problem was hiring Dantoni but never actually getting him a PG to run his offense. IF anything the Knics lottery luck should prove why tanking/processing doesn’t work because they very often got screwed by the lottery odds where teams with better records got better picks than them (and then compounded tehir bad luck with bad picks where htey did pick).

      Make good picks where you have them (production over potential). Sign good players in free agency to market value deals and don’t hugely overpay for someone who isn’t a legit superstar in their prime. Don’t trade away boatloads of picks for one player unless they’re truly a superstar and even then don’t do it if you don’t have players to surround that star player with for a good team. Hire good coaches and assistants to build the team.

      This is what the Knicks are finally doing and lo and behold we could be just as good or better than Philly this year with a…

    13. I always pictured Frank as more of a lead singer type, although there are plenty of idiots out there who see him as a backup singer at best.

      I jest. I do love the continuing Frank angst on twitter though. It’s a bit that never gets old somehow.

      Swift, I love you and your optimism, but doing a full Man in the High Castle reboot of the Process is something I wish I had the energy for.

      Honestly, I really just think the Sixers have effed this up big time, start to finish. Simmons is a great player despite all his limitations and the Embiid-Simmons duo was a core that was going to have a shot at a title in every one of the next four years that Joel was healthy in.

      I am always prepared to be wrong but I will be truly shocked if Ben Simmons is the latest Ewing Theory candidate.

    14. The Honorable Cock Jowles: I feel very attacked. But was there a powerlifting thread that I missed? Or was I the sole participant in the last one? I feel there was no debate, just me explaining how my previously-scrawny ass got glutes that make fit college girls do a double take.

      Jowles aka Assman.

    15. Swift, your self-admitted “rose-colored glasses look at what the Knicks do” approach is often wrong, but there’s at least something charming and hopeful about such an approach. This bizarre mix of wrongheaded contrarianism is just sad to read.

    16. The Honorable Cock Jowles: I’m in rural IL on a compulsory work-training trip and am the only person wearing a mask. I am counting the seconds to getting aboard that plane in a healthy state, because the two options, should I come down with a 100.5+ fever between now and then: driving 30 hours in a rental car or quarantining in Sycamore, IL until I prove a negative test. And there’s no tennis, legal weed or Lady Jowles glutes near me.

      Jowles is not a happy Jowles right now.

      Plenty of legal weed in Illinois dude!

    17. I just saw this tweet regarding Zion and his tenure in New Orleans and it really threw me for a loop. I don’t know if this is really what’s going on but if it is I feel pretty out of touch with the NBA. Makes Zion sound like a guy that maybe I shouldn’t have been lusting after all these years, although maybe there is blame to go around.

      https://twitter.com/FearTheBrown/status/1440731935442030599

    18. THCJ, my oldest son is 15 and a good athlete…top three U16 in long and high jump in our country.
      But his glutes need a lot of work. I would be very happy if you could tell me when that glutes thread was. Thanks and stay safe and sound.

    19. Look into the 531 program. It’s the perfect blend of centra nervous system (power) training and muscle growth. Do hex bar deadlifts if possible. Much better for athletes than straight bar.

    20. If this is Zion when he’s out of shape, imagine him in a situation where he actually cares enough to put in real effort.

    21. Fat 20 year old Zion is coming off a 5.4 BPM season in which he posted a .649 TS% with 29.8% USG.

      I’ll take him off their hands if they want.

    22. Oh my. Rosas out in Minnesota on the even of training camp. And the rumor is ARod wants to hire… Elton Brand?!?!

      Always nice to add a new dumb team to the list. And for us to not be one of those at the moment.

    23. Yes! Zion would make a great backup for Randle.

      I would offer Knox and two 2nds for him and see how that goes.

      :-P

    24. Zion never wanted to go to NO and apparently wants out. I think it’s a matter of when and not if. The bigger question is whether his behavior is related to his unhappiness or whether he’s just a tool.

    25. It’s a little awkward for us that Zion and KAT seem like two guys to watch out for in terms of superstars available in trades and both are non-fits with Randle (and KAT has the additional Thibs baggage).

    26. It’s hard not to love Zion but he’s not the easiest guy to build a team around. His defense is a real problem, but hey, look at Trae…if you’re good enough on O, who cares about D?

    27. Zion is definitely bad on defense but I still think he has decent defensive potential, particularly if he can get into better shape. And the fact that he’s putting up rim attempt and efficiency numbers that are completely off the charts even while playing with a non-shooting C beside him relieves a lot of the team building concerns that I had.

    28. Brian, time to bring back the all-poll content so we can figure out which subject is the most divisive on Knickerblogger Dot Net:

      1)Frank Ntilikina: Threat or menace?
      2)Did The Process fail the Sixers, or did the Sixers fail The Process?
      3)Proper power-lifting technique
      4)Musical theory

      We should add 5. incinerate, but we should also add 6. 5 Carmelo Anthonys vs. 5 Tyson Chandlers and 7. Cole Aldrich

    29. In no way, shape, or form do you let Julius Randle stand in the way of getting Zion Williamson.

    30. ***bring back the all-poll content so we can figure out which subject is the most divisive on Knickerblogger Dot Net:

      1)Frank Ntilikina: Threat or menace?
      2)Did The Process fail the Sixers, or did the Sixers fail The Process?
      3)Proper power-lifting technique
      4)Musical theory***

      It is kind of weird that the most subjective discussion one can have (musical taste) generates almost universal agreement here, while the 4 years of sound and objective data surrounding Frank Ntilikina fosters strong disagreements about whether he is good at basketball or not. Sports fandom is a funny thing.

    31. Z-man: Unless you want to win…

      Randle has played 7 seasons in the NBA and has been on a team that finished over .500 once. Do you think we wouldn’t have finished over .500 last season if we replaced Randle with Zion?

    32. KAT’s response to the firing of Rosas was to tweet “wtf?”

      The timing of this move leads me to believe that Rosas lost a power struggle about a major move (likely the package to put together for Ben Simmons). If Rosas were going to be fired for past performance alone, he likely would have been gone at the end of last season. It makes no sense to keep him around to run the draft and free agency. And yes, I remember that the Knicks kept Phil Jackson through the draft. This makes even less sense.

    33. Zion was probably one of the 10 best offensive players in the league last year, when he was 20 years old, playing for a poorly constructed team, and apparently fat and out of shape. You do whatever you can to get guys like that.

    34. To be clear, I am not turning Zion down. Obviously.

      It’s just a *slightly* different narrative than the one I had about him in my head.

    35. I think the timeline with Rosas mainly has to do with the new ARod ownership group taking over. That only happened recently, so they didn’t have the opportunity to replace him when an exec would ordinarily be fired.

    36. His knees or ankles will probably blow up regardless. He produces a lot of torque and isn’t watching his weight.

    37. Zions knees will 100% explode the second we hypothetically acquire him

      This is why my plan is to have zion turn down his extension because CAA are telling him he can make up the money in NY and then we only lose cap space when we sign him as a free agent and his joints explode

    38. I think the timeline with Rosas mainly has to do with the new ARod ownership group taking over. That only happened recently, so they didn’t have the opportunity to replace him when an exec would ordinarily be fired.

      There’s a bunch of twitter chatter about him having an affair with his executive assistant

    39. Edit: my comment below was wrong. There was something new & big that was not basketball related. “Toxic work environment” and an affair with an employee.

      https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/09/22/timberwolves-part-ways-with-president-of-basketball-operations-gersson-rosas/

      ######

      I thought that Rosas getting fired might have been an ARod move, but Glen Taylor still controls the team until the 2022-23 season starts. Of course the new ownership group has input, but this feels much more like a schism on a current roster move than preparing the way for next year. It is also possible that Rosas did something to anger the incoming owners and he was fired as an accommodation.

      My WAG is that Rosas was playing hardball with Morey on Simmons and ownership (who are likely hearing from Kkutch) wants to give more to get Simmons. It is possible that I just have PTSD from Dolan pushing Donnie Walsh aside to give up everything to bring in Carmelo Anthony.

    40. I mean, it’s gross of Rosas, of course, but yeah, it’s sort of “good” to know that he got canned for non-basketball reasons. It makes a whole lot more sense.

    41. My worry with Zion is whether he will live up to the hype on his subsequent contracts. He is injury prone and sort of one-dimensional. He’s amazing at that one dimension (scoring inside of 10 feet at high volume, especially as a lob target), but he doesn’t defend, rebound, handle the ball or pass all that well relative to other true supermax players, and his FT shooting form worries me. I also worry that the league is going to figure out how to defend that spin move to his left hand. He also should be leading the league in rebounding, or at least averaging double figures per 36…let’s see if he gets there this year.

      Julius is on a value deal right now and I am pretty confident he will be even better in the next 3 years than he was last year. Those who think he will regress are the same people who underestimated him last year. They will be proven wrong again. Dude is driven like few others I’ve seen in my 5+ decades of following this game.

      Sure, I would trade Julius for Zion straight up, but that’s not gonna happen and I doubt that we win more games in the next year or two after a trade including Julius and whatever else it would take to get Zion. Essentially, my issue is with the statement that “you do whatever it takes to get him.” I just don’t see Zion as that level of player yet.

    42. I can understand the 2 sides of the debate… but Zion is only 21, so is expectable that he develops his game in the next 4 years at least, and btw his DBPM is only -0.4 right now, from -1.4 in the previous season. I haven’t seen him play, but that doesn’t look atrocious and beyond repair, is the stat lying?
      On the other side, i’m with you, Julius is a beast, he puts the effort in and his work ethic is contagious to the rest of the team. Right now i want to keep him, it was so good that he signed the extension.
      Now, where do these two things meet? It’s the Zion timeline, that is perfect for us. We aligned a lot of contracts to 2023 with a motive – Zion, of course. We have 2 years to check if we can win with Julius. By 2023, if we know we can’t and Zion forces his way to NY, we have to send Julius and a lot of picks their way and thank the basketball Gods for the opportunity. I think this is Leon’s plan, and imo it’s a very good plan. One that if the star snubs us, we’ll still keep a very good team and can try a different path to success right away.

    43. Brian, i think i’d prefer the “dumb franchise” explanation, because they probably are indeed dumb, and that way we wouldn’t have to acknowledge that yet another executive thinks and acts like we’re still in the 20th century. It’s regrettable.

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