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Friday, November 16, 2018

Knicks Morning News (2018.07.07)

  • [NYDN] Heartbreaking scenes described in Thai boat sinking as death toll rises to 38
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 2:50:00 AM)

    PHUKET, Thailand — Divers who entered the wreck of a tour boat that sank in a storm off the southern Thai resort island of Phuket described heartbreaking scenes of bodies of children found in the arms of their mothers, as the search continued Saturday for 18 mostly Chinese tourists missing in a…

  • [NYDN] EPA’s relief and worries after exit of scandal-plagued boss Scott Pruitt
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 2:30:00 AM)

    WASHINGTON — Taking over from an ambitious predecessor known for seeking out the rich, powerful and conservative, the Environmental Protection Agency’s newly named acting chief has promised to reach out to anxious staffers throughout the demoralized agency and to lawmakers of both political parties.

  • [NYDN] Mike Pompeo seeks clarity in denuclearization talks with North Korea
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    PYONGYANG, North Korea — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo ended a second day of talks with senior North Korean officials on Saturday, with both sides saying they need clarity on the parameters of an agreement to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula.

    On his third trip to Pyongyang since April and his…

  • [NYDN] Iran executes 8 over 2017 Islamic State attack on Tehran
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:50:00 AM)

    TEHRAN, Iran — Iran said Saturday it executed eight people convicted in the 2017 Islamic State group attack on parliament and the shrine of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in Tehran.

    The June 7, 2017 attack has so far been the only assault by the Sunni extremists inside of Shiite Iran, which has been…

  • [NYDN] A rally bad idea: Launching a trade and culture war before an adoring crowd
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:10:00 AM)

    Donald Trump should be happy. The economy is still purring as it has been for several years: Friday’s new figures showed the U.S. added 213,000 jobs in June.

    But the President can’t sit still, not until he can call the economy fully his own, and not until he can hear the love of an adoring crowd…

  • [NYDN] Wheee!-ly good news: Dockless bike share, and pedal assist, are on their way
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:05:00 AM)

    For five years the city, or at least parts of it, have had big, clunky blue Citi Bikes and their big, clunky gray docks, proving that bike share does work here, or at least in parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens.

    But major change is coming, for within days, the next wave — bike rentals without…

  • [NYDN] Warehouse collapse sends thousands of gallons of whiskey into retention ponds
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Kentucky officials say the final collapse of a whiskey storage warehouse sent torrents of spirits gushing into retention ponds.

    John Mura, a spokesman for the state Energy and Environment Cabinet, said Friday about 120,000 gallons (454,000 liters) have been captured in two retention…

  • [NYDN] What’s at stake as Trump embarks on a European trip that includes face time with the Queen of England and Russian President Vladimir Putin
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    America’s closest allies will be on edge next week as President Trump embarks on a European tour set to include a tense summit, tea with the British Queen and an eyebrow-raising face-to-face with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    Trump’s whirlwind spin on the world stage begins Wednesday with a…

  • [NYDN] Heaven and hell
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    “There is a real danger that we will leave future generations only rubble, deserts and refuse,” warned Pope Francis Friday. Also known to Scott Pruitt as the Promised Land.

  • [NYDN] New wildfires are destroying homes across California
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 12:45:00 AM)

    GOLETA, Calif. — Firefighters battling wildfires throughout the U.S. West that have torched hundreds of homes hoped for some help from the weather Saturday even as new fires swept sweltering Southern California.

    A fire on the California-Oregon border that destroyed 40 buildings and claimed at least…

  • [NYDN] New Jersey family, including 4 kids, killed in Delaware crash
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 12:15:00 AM)

    TOWNSEND, Del. — Five members of a New Jersey family, including four children, were killed Friday in a crash on a Delaware highway, according to state police.

    The other adult who was in the vehicle was taken to a hospital with serious, non-life-threatening injuries, news outlets reported Friday…

  • [NYDN] Readers sound off taxis, air conditioning and the Mets
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 12:00:00 AM)

    Shed no tears for yellow cabs

    Bronx: I have no sympathy for taxi drivers. I remember not too long ago when these same taxi drivers would refuse to pick up a black person like myself. Taxi drivers refused to go to Brooklyn or the Bronx. The same taxi drivers would drive past a black person when…

  • [NYDN] Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte vows to resign if anybody can prove God exists
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 11:40:00 PM)

    MANILA, Philippines — The Philippine president, who recently sparked outrage for calling God stupid, has courted new controversy in his largely Roman Catholic country by saying he will resign if anybody can prove that God exists.

    President Rodrigo Duterte, who has had a thorny relationship with…

  • [NYDN] Woman ran school as front for foreign athletes to avoid ICE
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 11:15:00 PM)

    CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A North Carolina woman has pleaded guilty to falsely enrolling foreign teens sought by basketball recruiters and coaches in her small private school.

    WSOC-TV reports that Evelyn Mack faces up to 10 years in prison after pleading guilty Monday to a felony charge of concealing,…

  • [NYDN] Opioid maker sued for allegedly placing profits over people
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 11:10:00 PM)

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A newly unsealed lawsuit by Tennessee’s attorney general says the maker of the world’s top-selling painkiller directed its salesforce to target the highest prescribers, many with limited or no pain management background or training.

    Citing the public’s right to know, Attorney…

  • [NYDN] Anne Frank’s family tried to escape to U.S., but met obstacles in acquiring visas
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:55:00 PM)

    BERLIN — Research suggests the family of Anne Frank, the world famous Jewish diarist who died in the Holocaust, attempted to immigrate to the United States and later also to Cuba, but their efforts were thwarted by America’s restrictive immigration policy and the outbreak of World War II.

    The Anne…

  • [NYDN] Botte: If Mets don’t deal Jacob deGrom or Noah Syndergaard, they need to go all in on Manny Machado this winter
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:30:00 PM)

    The three-headed front office of the Mets envisions attempting to pull off a quick turnaround ahead of the trade deadline, rather than a prolonged rebuild.

    That certainly flies in the face of the “everything’s on the table” talking point floated by acting GM John Ricco when Sandy Alderson stepped…

  • [NYDN] Airman pleads guilty to raping runaway 14-year-old girl, gets year in prison
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:20:00 PM)

    DOVER, Del. — An airman stationed at Delaware’s Dover Air Force Base has pleaded guilty to raping and endangering a runaway 14-year-old girl.

    WDEL-FM reports 22-year-old Zepplin Ray Taylor-McGinness was sentenced Friday to a year in prison, followed by probation.

    Dover Police M. Cpl. Mark Hoffman…

  • [NYDN] Puerto Rican mayor, two other gov officials arrested on corruption charges
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:10:00 PM)

    SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — A mayor and two former government officials in Puerto Rico face public corruption charges in separate cases that involve a total of $8 million in federal and local funds, authorities said Thursday.

    The suspects are the mayor of the southwest town of Sabana Grande and the…

  • [NYDN] Woody Johnson, Jets owner, is raising his two kids to be ‘just like Donald Trump’
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:10:00 PM)

    You won’t see Woody Johnson’s two kids kneeling on the sideline at MetLife Stadium during the National Anthem any time soon.

    And they might never learn the correct words to “God Bless America” either.

    That’s because the Jets owner, while talking on camera for a piece about a documentary on the…

  • [NYDN] Man threatened to kill Trump supporters at congressman’s campaign office on Long Island: police
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:10:00 PM)

    An irate man threatened to kill a campaign volunteer — and Donald Trump supporters — at a Long Island Congressman’s campaign headquarters on Long Island Friday, police said.

    Martin Astrof, 75, charged at Donato Panico at Rep. Lee Zeldin’s Nesconset campaign office around 11:15 a.m., harassed him…

  • [NYDN] LeBron James Lakers jerseys hit shelves in NBA Store in Manhattan before mishap forces them to be taken down
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:00:00 PM)

    You may have noticed the Lakers never tweeted out LeBron James’ decision to sign with the purple and gold.

    That’s because his four-year, $154-million contract made public by his agency Sunday isn’t technically official.

    The King is busy vacationing in Europe, meaning he’s yet to put pen to paper…

  • [NYDN] Mazzeo: Sonny Gray shouldn’t start another game following latest Yankees disaster
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 8:55:00 PM)

    TORONTO – It’s time for the Yankees to remove Sonny Gray from the rotation.

    Aaron Boone said after Gray’s latest implosion on Friday night that the atrocious righty is expected to take his next turn on Wednesday in Baltimore, but that absolutely shouldn’t happen.

    “I don’t think we would do that…

  • [NYDN] Jose Bautista’s walk-off home run latest example of Mets’ midseason signing paying off
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 8:50:00 PM)

    Jose Bautista entered Friday night’s game against the Rays with 336 career home runs in 1,726 regular season games.

    None of them had been of the walk-off variety.

    That all changed in the bottom of the ninth at Citi Field when Bautista jumped on a first pitch fastball from Chaz Roe and belted it…

  • [NYDN] Bus careens onto home’s lawn, killing man in splash pool
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 8:40:00 PM)

    PHILADELPHIA — Police say a seemingly out-of-control city bus ran a red light, hit two cars, and then plowed onto a home’s lawn where people were lounging in a splash pool, killing one man.

    Police say the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority bus carrying 15 passengers crashed into…

  • [NY Newsday] Heartbreaking scenes described in Thai boat sinking as death toll rises to 38
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 2:50:00 AM)

    PHUKET, Thailand — Divers who entered the wreck of a tour boat that sank in a storm off the southern Thai resort island of Phuket described heartbreaking scenes of bodies of children found in the arms of their mothers, as the search continued Saturday for 18 mostly Chinese tourists missing in a…

  • [NY Newsday] EPA’s relief and worries after exit of scandal-plagued boss Scott Pruitt
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 2:30:00 AM)

    WASHINGTON — Taking over from an ambitious predecessor known for seeking out the rich, powerful and conservative, the Environmental Protection Agency’s newly named acting chief has promised to reach out to anxious staffers throughout the demoralized agency and to lawmakers of both political parties.

  • [NY Newsday] Mike Pompeo seeks clarity in denuclearization talks with North Korea
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    PYONGYANG, North Korea — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo ended a second day of talks with senior North Korean officials on Saturday, with both sides saying they need clarity on the parameters of an agreement to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula.

    On his third trip to Pyongyang since April and his…

  • [NY Newsday] Iran executes 8 over 2017 Islamic State attack on Tehran
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:50:00 AM)

    TEHRAN, Iran — Iran said Saturday it executed eight people convicted in the 2017 Islamic State group attack on parliament and the shrine of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in Tehran.

    The June 7, 2017 attack has so far been the only assault by the Sunni extremists inside of Shiite Iran, which has been…

  • [NY Newsday] A rally bad idea: Launching a trade and culture war before an adoring crowd
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:10:00 AM)

    Donald Trump should be happy. The economy is still purring as it has been for several years: Friday’s new figures showed the U.S. added 213,000 jobs in June.

    But the President can’t sit still, not until he can call the economy fully his own, and not until he can hear the love of an adoring crowd…

  • [NY Newsday] Wheee!-ly good news: Dockless bike share, and pedal assist, are on their way
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:05:00 AM)

    For five years the city, or at least parts of it, have had big, clunky blue Citi Bikes and their big, clunky gray docks, proving that bike share does work here, or at least in parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens.

    But major change is coming, for within days, the next wave — bike rentals without…

  • [NY Newsday] Warehouse collapse sends thousands of gallons of whiskey into retention ponds
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Kentucky officials say the final collapse of a whiskey storage warehouse sent torrents of spirits gushing into retention ponds.

    John Mura, a spokesman for the state Energy and Environment Cabinet, said Friday about 120,000 gallons (454,000 liters) have been captured in two retention…

  • [NY Newsday] What’s at stake as Trump embarks on a European trip that includes face time with the Queen of England and Russian President Vladimir Putin
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    America’s closest allies will be on edge next week as President Trump embarks on a European tour set to include a tense summit, tea with the British Queen and an eyebrow-raising face-to-face with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    Trump’s whirlwind spin on the world stage begins Wednesday with a…

  • [NY Newsday] Heaven and hell
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    “There is a real danger that we will leave future generations only rubble, deserts and refuse,” warned Pope Francis Friday. Also known to Scott Pruitt as the Promised Land.

  • [NY Newsday] New wildfires are destroying homes across California
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 12:45:00 AM)

    GOLETA, Calif. — Firefighters battling wildfires throughout the U.S. West that have torched hundreds of homes hoped for some help from the weather Saturday even as new fires swept sweltering Southern California.

    A fire on the California-Oregon border that destroyed 40 buildings and claimed at least…

  • [NY Newsday] New Jersey family, including 4 kids, killed in Delaware crash
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 12:15:00 AM)

    TOWNSEND, Del. — Five members of a New Jersey family, including four children, were killed Friday in a crash on a Delaware highway, according to state police.

    The other adult who was in the vehicle was taken to a hospital with serious, non-life-threatening injuries, news outlets reported Friday…

  • [NY Newsday] Readers sound off taxis, air conditioning and the Mets
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 12:00:00 AM)

    Shed no tears for yellow cabs

    Bronx: I have no sympathy for taxi drivers. I remember not too long ago when these same taxi drivers would refuse to pick up a black person like myself. Taxi drivers refused to go to Brooklyn or the Bronx. The same taxi drivers would drive past a black person when…

  • [NY Newsday] Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte vows to resign if anybody can prove God exists
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 11:40:00 PM)

    MANILA, Philippines — The Philippine president, who recently sparked outrage for calling God stupid, has courted new controversy in his largely Roman Catholic country by saying he will resign if anybody can prove that God exists.

    President Rodrigo Duterte, who has had a thorny relationship with…

  • [NY Newsday] Woman ran school as front for foreign athletes to avoid ICE
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 11:15:00 PM)

    CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A North Carolina woman has pleaded guilty to falsely enrolling foreign teens sought by basketball recruiters and coaches in her small private school.

    WSOC-TV reports that Evelyn Mack faces up to 10 years in prison after pleading guilty Monday to a felony charge of concealing,…

  • [NY Newsday] Opioid maker sued for allegedly placing profits over people
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 11:10:00 PM)

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A newly unsealed lawsuit by Tennessee’s attorney general says the maker of the world’s top-selling painkiller directed its salesforce to target the highest prescribers, many with limited or no pain management background or training.

    Citing the public’s right to know, Attorney…

  • [NY Newsday] Anne Frank’s family tried to escape to U.S., but met obstacles in acquiring visas
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:55:00 PM)

    BERLIN — Research suggests the family of Anne Frank, the world famous Jewish diarist who died in the Holocaust, attempted to immigrate to the United States and later also to Cuba, but their efforts were thwarted by America’s restrictive immigration policy and the outbreak of World War II.

    The Anne…

  • [NY Newsday] Botte: If Mets don’t deal Jacob deGrom or Noah Syndergaard, they need to go all in on Manny Machado this winter
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:30:00 PM)

    The three-headed front office of the Mets envisions attempting to pull off a quick turnaround ahead of the trade deadline, rather than a prolonged rebuild.

    That certainly flies in the face of the “everything’s on the table” talking point floated by acting GM John Ricco when Sandy Alderson stepped…

  • [NY Newsday] Airman pleads guilty to raping runaway 14-year-old girl, gets year in prison
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:20:00 PM)

    DOVER, Del. — An airman stationed at Delaware’s Dover Air Force Base has pleaded guilty to raping and endangering a runaway 14-year-old girl.

    WDEL-FM reports 22-year-old Zepplin Ray Taylor-McGinness was sentenced Friday to a year in prison, followed by probation.

    Dover Police M. Cpl. Mark Hoffman…

  • [NY Newsday] Puerto Rican mayor, two other gov officials arrested on corruption charges
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:10:00 PM)

    SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — A mayor and two former government officials in Puerto Rico face public corruption charges in separate cases that involve a total of $8 million in federal and local funds, authorities said Thursday.

    The suspects are the mayor of the southwest town of Sabana Grande and the…

  • [NY Newsday] Woody Johnson, Jets owner, is raising his two kids to be ‘just like Donald Trump’
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:10:00 PM)

    You won’t see Woody Johnson’s two kids kneeling on the sideline at MetLife Stadium during the National Anthem any time soon.

    And they might never learn the correct words to “God Bless America” either.

    That’s because the Jets owner, while talking on camera for a piece about a documentary on the…

  • [NY Newsday] Man threatened to kill Trump supporters at congressman’s campaign office on Long Island: police
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:10:00 PM)

    An irate man threatened to kill a campaign volunteer — and Donald Trump supporters — at a Long Island Congressman’s campaign headquarters on Long Island Friday, police said.

    Martin Astrof, 75, charged at Donato Panico at Rep. Lee Zeldin’s Nesconset campaign office around 11:15 a.m., harassed him…

  • [NY Newsday] LeBron James Lakers jerseys hit shelves in NBA Store in Manhattan before mishap forces them to be taken down
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 10:00:00 PM)

    You may have noticed the Lakers never tweeted out LeBron James’ decision to sign with the purple and gold.

    That’s because his four-year, $154-million contract made public by his agency Sunday isn’t technically official.

    The King is busy vacationing in Europe, meaning he’s yet to put pen to paper…

  • [NY Newsday] Mazzeo: Sonny Gray shouldn’t start another game following latest Yankees disaster
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 8:55:00 PM)

    TORONTO – It’s time for the Yankees to remove Sonny Gray from the rotation.

    Aaron Boone said after Gray’s latest implosion on Friday night that the atrocious righty is expected to take his next turn on Wednesday in Baltimore, but that absolutely shouldn’t happen.

    “I don’t think we would do that…

  • [NY Newsday] Jose Bautista’s walk-off home run latest example of Mets’ midseason signing paying off
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 8:50:00 PM)

    Jose Bautista entered Friday night’s game against the Rays with 336 career home runs in 1,726 regular season games.

    None of them had been of the walk-off variety.

    That all changed in the bottom of the ninth at Citi Field when Bautista jumped on a first pitch fastball from Chaz Roe and belted it…

  • [NY Newsday] Bus careens onto home’s lawn, killing man in splash pool
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 8:40:00 PM)

    PHILADELPHIA — Police say a seemingly out-of-control city bus ran a red light, hit two cars, and then plowed onto a home’s lawn where people were lounging in a splash pool, killing one man.

    Police say the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority bus carrying 15 passengers crashed into…

  • [NYPost] Why Knicks GM is giving second chance to his biggest draft bust
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 6:28:16 PM)

    LAS VEGAS — We were all jerks in our youth. That was the message from new Knicks coach David Fizdale in predicting newly signed forward Mario Hezonja has turned over a new leaf as the 23-year-old Croatian put forth a strong finish to last season. Hezonja, the fifth pick in the 2015 draft, officially signed…

  • [NYPost] Thunder just trying to figure out how to get rid of Carmelo
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 9:19:40 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony didn’t like his reduced role and the Thunder weren’t keen on paying him big money to fail at it. A parting of the ways always seemed inevitable, and now it appears close to happening. Following one dismal season in Oklahoma City, the former Knick appears headed elsewhere shortly after opting in to the…

  • [NYPost] Kyle O’Quinn signs with Pacers as Knicks think young
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 8:54:59 AM)

    The Kyle O’Quinn Era is over in New York. The Queens product agreed to terms on a one-year, $4.5 million deal with the Pacers, an NBA source confirmed. The Knicks’ burly backup center got a small raise after opting out of his Knicks contract that would have paid him $4.25 million next season. According to…

  • [NYPost] Emmanuel Mudiay all-in with Fizdale as career at a crossroads
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 8:32:50 AM)

    LAS VEGAS — Emmanuel Mudiay doesn’t have to be here. But the 6-foot-5 point guard wants to be around new coach David Fizdale as much as he can looking to reverse a disappointing two-month stretch with the Knicks after the trade-deadline deal with Denver. Mudiay is practicing with the Knicks summer-league team that debuts Saturday…

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks sign Luke Kornet
    (Saturday, July 07, 2018 12:12:10 AM)

    The Knicks have signed C Luke Kornet, the team announced on Friday.

  • [SNY Knicks] The Thunder are trying to part ways with Carmelo Anthony
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 12:30:21 PM)

    The Oklahoma City Thunder are trying to get rid of former Knicks forward Carmelo Anthony after just one season.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks Summer League Preview: Knox, Ntilikina among those to watch
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 12:45:16 PM)

    With the Knicks first game against the Hawks slated for this Saturday at 5:30 p.m., here are some players to watch in Vegas over the next couple weeks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Former Knicks center O’Quinn agrees to deal with Pacers
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 11:14:25 AM)

    Former Knicks center Kyle O’Quinn agreed to a one-year, $4.5 million deal with the Indiana Pacers on Friday.

  • [SNY Knicks] If Porzingis plays the 3, Knicks could feature historically tall lineup
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 9:40:42 AM)

    Knicks head coach David Fizdale opened up the possibility of Kristaps Porzingis playing at small forward, which could give New York one of the tallest starting fives in NBA history.

  • [NYTimes] Spurs Guard Tony Parker Leaving for Charlotte Hornets
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 11:21:10 PM)

    The Spurs made an offer to bring back Parker, the free-agent guard who has spent his entire 17-year career in San Antonio, but he has decided to move on.

  • [NYTimes] The Houston Rockets Are Interested in Carmelo Anthony
    (Friday, July 06, 2018 7:20:23 PM)

    Anthony, currently a forward in Oklahoma City, is expected to part ways with the Thunder before the end of the summer. The Rockets may be his next stop.

  • 199 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2018.07.07)

    1. Brian Cronin

      So why didn’t the Blazers offer KOQ this deal, as he is a far superior player on paper?

      They were capped out, so they couldn’t offer KOQ that deal. They had Nurkic’s Bird Rights.

      They could only offer KOQ the tax-payers mid-level exception (spotrac shows the Blazers as having the non-tax-payers MLE available, but that’s wrong, as they are close enough to the luxury tax that the use of the MLE would put them over the luxury tax and you can’t go over the luxury tax with the non-tax-payers MLE. So if they wanted to use the MLE, they would have to use the tax-payers MLE), which is basically what he got from Indiana.

    2. Ingmarrrr

      Oh my, how do you not trade up 3 spots to get Bamba. He looked so raw last night and yet you can see that his potential is incredible.
      Knox better show something tonight or the premature evaluation machine would go nuts.

    3. Brian Cronin

      How about Bridges having essentially the same good game he always has? Bamba, there is a question of whether Orlando would have traded down. Bridges was literally there for the picking.

    4. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      Bridges ought to do well in Summer league since he is a more polished product than most rookies after three years of school. That said, I do hope Knox at least shows something to like tonight.

    5. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Assuming the Bulls match the offer sheet for Zach LaVine, why don’t the Knicks offer Hardaway Jr or Lee to the Kings into their cap space and take back a pick in Hardaway’s case.

    6. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Steve Mills won’t sign off on any “give away” trade of TH2 because then he’d look dumb. I expect TH2 to be trade bait for all stars this season after he does his best Devin Booker impersonation.

    7. GianaDani

      Can THjr be the 3rd best offensive player on a championship contending team?

      If answer is yes, or even maybe then he should stay put. Lee is only one that should be moved ASAP.

    8. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      It would appear Lee would be tougher to move, but I suppose if the Kings can’t add a good young piece to their core with that cap space they might be willing to add a veteran presence like Lee. It sure won’t hurt to ask.

    9. bobneptune

      I honestly don’t get the gnashing of teeth about KOQ. We have the built in excuse to tank ultra hard this season with KP’s injury so the decision matrix should revolve around getting as many young players as many minutes as possible and losing as many games as possible.

      If KOQ, Enes and Lee combine for an additional 4 or 5 wins IT IS AN UNMITIGATED FUCKING DISASTER! The difference between the worst record and the 4th worst record is measured in orders of magnitude.

      KOQ is a proven nice player for 18 minutes a game. He is a fun guy to have around and a nice back-up, but the open marketplace rates him rather low. Not every team had room , but objectively enough did to drive his price up if he was deemed worth it in today’s style of play… but he isn’t after 6 years in the NBA.

      The marketplace could be wrong, but he will be an UFA next year and if he excels, the Knicks can make a run at hi if they care to, but there is no reason to give him a one year or multi year deal today. Period….end of story.

      If they play all the youngins and really suck hard…. OK top 3 pick here we come. If they youngins play collectively well enough to win 30 games…. so be it. With the addition of KP the following year and results from a few young promising players, one or more actually good UFA’s may find the Knicks an interesting place.

      But winning a single game because Lee, Enes and KOQ played well is a crime against humanity.

    10. chrisk06811

      when we sign Jahlil Okafor, we will have the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th picks from the 2015 NBA draft.

    11. vincoug

      Assuming the Bulls match the offer sheet for Zach LaVine, why don’t the Knicks offer Hardaway Jr or Lee to the Kings into their cap space and take back a pick in Hardaway’s case.

      Unbelievably, THJr has a 15% trade kicker. He’s probably unmovable on his own.

    12. mase

      @12

      Interesting, maybe he could be a third best. That kinda negates the overpay argument

    13. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      So KP’s going to miss 110 straight games before signing his designated-player max contract. How Knicksy.

    14. danvt

      @12 Would he be 3rd best on GSW? No. BOS. No, probably even without Irving and Hayward. HOU? Harden, Paul, Capella…No. What about just playoff teams? Utah? Mitchell, Gobert, Ingles…

      I’ve been posting here since before David Lee was a starter and I’ve seen it over and over. “Maybe if player x reaches a level we haven’t seen, but that might be possible, then…”

      I’ve been Mr. Optimism. I argued in favor of Bargnani. It went something like this….”He shoots the three like Novak (turned out to be untrue), but can also attack off the bounce, rebound, etc.” It turned out he was terrible at everything, made us significantly worse on the court, and cost us a first round pick. He was so bad that all GM’s have essentially stopped trading first round picks! That deal has become a cautionary tale.

      Tim Hardaway Jr. was supposed to pair with KP and put us in the playoffs. Even without the injury it would not have happened. The only thing he’s capable of is looking good compared to tanking teams at the end of NBA seasons. He’d look awesome in a NYK jersey this evening at 5:30 in Vegas. He played a role in getting us Kevin Knox who has bust written all over him.

      Sorry to be so negative, but NYK has been extremely poorly managed for quite a while. They will not win anything as long as they keep believing in players like TH2.

    15. Sir Robin

      Re KOQ, I believe most of KB felt that the real mistake was not trading him for at least a 2nd round pick. That pick may have enabled NYKs to move up in the draft, say 3 slots to select, IDK, Mo Bamba. Missed opportunities more so than blatant errors by this front office so far.

    16. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      Tim Hardaway Jr. was supposed to pair with KP and put us in the playoffs.

      They were both injured enough last year that this theory wasn’t put to the test, but my understanding of previous comments on Knickerblogger is that the Knicks did pretty well when both were healthy and in the game. Unfortunatrly, given how long KP will be out, we may never find out if this true.

    17. Donnie Walsh

      Good

      KP will have played in 188 out of a possible 328 games (and will have played like a mediocre player in most of those 188 games), and the Knicks will be looking at paying max money to keep him. In what universe is that a good thing?

    18. danvt

      Is there any roster in the NBA where Tim Hardaway junior would be the third best player?

    19. Bruno Almeida

      @25

      Probably the Knicks and the Hawks, I guess? Maybe Grizzlies, Suns, Kings or Magic if their rookies take long to get used to the NBA, or the post-Lebron Cavs… yeah that’s pretty much it.

    20. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Hardaway had a TS% of .563 and .568 in 2 years in Atlanta. He struggled shooting last year at least partially due to injury. So I don’t think it’s a stretch to think he can return to his Atlanta form “plus” the small improvement he made elsewhere as a Knick.

      Regarding KOQ, I don’t care how much everyone here wants to tank, you don’t get better long term by giving away good players that are still young enough to be productive through their entire next contract when you can keep them for less than they are worth. KOQ should have been traded “IF AND ONLY IF” we got something better or equal back (pick or young player). Otherwise, we should have re-signed him for 1 year and then depending on what developed next year considered signing him long term or traded him.

      We got worse both long and short term by losing KOQ for nothing and for no good reason.

      If the idea is just to get worse why don’t we just trade KP, Knox, Frank, and Dotsun too? That would guarantee us a series of top 5 picks (plus the picks we got for them) that would probably be better than the current core.

      Lee is a different case than KOQ. What makes it different is that we aren’t going to re-sign Lee to another contract to be part of the long term like KOQ could easily have been. So the idea is to trade Lee, but not panic or pay to do it because he “might” win us an extra game that may or may not be significant in terms of where we draft and most likely gives us an only infinitesimal long term draft edge because we are all just guessing anyway when it comes to a single position difference.

    21. Ben R

      I don’t know how any Knick fan can be happy about KP missing all of next season. An ACL injury that takes 18 months to heal sure sounds career threatening to me. Even conservatively 12-14 months is a long healing process and that would get him back this season.

      I know people want to tank but to root for KP to be cooked just so we can get a marginally better pick is shitty.

    22. danvt

      @24

      I agree that it does fall in a pattern of the Knicks overrating what they have. However, KP might be the exception. We may really have a franchise player in him…

      But I look at the litany of “franchise” players we’ve signed compared to their actual value and it makes me really mad. Marbury, Eddy Curry, STAT, Melo…and the good players we’ve shed to make room for said “franchise players”…Gallinari, Chandler, Ariza…PLUS the opportunities to draft players we’ve forgone…

      I’m just done with trying to sit here and justify these decisions. This organization has been losing at poker since they traded Pat Ewing for Glen Rice. RC Buford, Danny Ainge…these guys are cold blooded decision makers who rely on the knowledge that’s available and make incremental improvements that result in tens of more wins for them compared to us every season. Even, IND just fucking takes our money, again and again. We get Donnie Walsh, he get’s swallowed up when we decide to produce No No Nanette.

      This summer we get Mario Hezonja. Another bust. Maybe he can be our power forward? Really? He averaged 3.7 rebounds a game last year. Well, he’ll need to improve on that…Hey, why not?

    23. Bruno Almeida

      @30

      Yeah, but in this era of talent concentration it really says more about those teams than it does about Hardaway to be honest. I’m sure he would be useful even for the top tier teams, but he’s getting paid to be a 3rd or at most 4th best player when he wouldn’t be anywhere near that on the real contenders.

      I think if KP misses the whole season it is a disaster, simply because I think the decision to re-sign him has already been made. If the injury is so bad that he can’t play for 18 months we just can’t re-sign him, there’s no way. Cousins was in a similar situation and got a 5 million contract, and there’s no way Janis and KP are settling for this level of contract with the Knicks.

      My best case scenario is the team absolutely sucks until the all star break, having the worst or 2nd worst record in the league (Atlanta will be super hard to beat in that race) and KP comes back on a minutes restriction but healthy and producing well, while we keep a top 3 lottery placement. Well, of course I’d rather have all the young guys making leaps and becoming stars but a best case scenario has to be at least somewhat probable to me.

    24. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      However, KP might be the exception. We may really have a franchise player in him…

      2017-18

      -0.7 BPM
      0.5 VORP (1.35 wins against replacement) in 1553 MP
      0.099 WS48
      2.61 RPM (8th among “PFs”)
      -0.023 WP48

      That’s gonna be a no from me, dawg.

    25. Ntilakilla

      So KP’s going to miss 110 straight games before signing his designated-player max contract. How Knicksy.

      It sucks but I am not in favor of rushing him either. I’d rather play it safe and tank commit than rush him and win a few more games.

    26. ess-dog

      Isn’t Hezonja too close to what Knox is? Too slow to guard 3s so they project as small-ball 4s? I’m not necessarily against either of them, they just seem duplicative.

      It’s sad how excited I am for summer league, probably because it’s our one chance to watch the Knicks without Kanter/Thomas/Lee/TH2.

      Is the game on friggin ESPN3 (which I don’t get)?

    27. ptmilo

      you guys are quoting a Sam Amico paragraph like he’s a journalist and not an alchemist who turns moldy outdated quotes into clickbait

    28. ptmilo

      the real kicker to Tim Hardaway’s contract is that nobody would fucking trade for it anyway

    29. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Being the “third-best” player on a team means very little. It’s all about providing value relative to other players who play a similar position/role. He could be the 8th best player on the Warriors or the 2nd best player on the Knicks, but aside from the diminishing returns of putting a shoot-only guard on the Warriors, he’d contribute roughly the same to win probability.

    30. Z-man

      In terms of contract value, paying your third best player 18 mill per is not obscene; paying your 8th best player is.

    31. 2FOR18, understands math

      “How about Bridges having essentially the same good game he always has?”

      Yeah but he’s like 38 and thestepien had that article doe.

      The “premature evaluation ” was a funny line. Some of the comments on Trae have been fun.

    32. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      It sucks but I am not in favor of rushing him either. I’d rather play it safe and tank commit than rush him and win a few more games.

      It’s not about rushing him back to win games. The 2019 Knicks could go 0-82 for all I care. Some shitty scenarios include:

      1) KP misses the whole season and the Knicks give him the designated-player max anyway.
      2) KP misses most of the season, comes back with a torrid 15-20 games and the Knicks give him the contract based on a small sample.
      3) KP misses most of the season, comes back weak and the Knicks sign-and-trade him for pennies on the dollar.
      4) KP misses most of the season, comes back weak and the Knicks give him the max anyway.
      5) KP is traded before the deadline for pennies on the dollar.

      The most optimistic and lowest-risk scenario is:

      6) Some GM is dumb enough to give them multiple unprotected 1st-round picks and/or young, good players for an injured KP.

      1-5 seem much more likely to me.

      #2 is optimistic but still carries huge risk. We’ve seen Porzingis play like a star for short periods. No evidence that he can do that for 82 games.

    33. chrisk06811

      Re KOQ, I believe most of KB felt that the real mistake was not trading him for at least a 2nd round pick. That pick may have enabled NYKs to move up in the draft, say 3 slots to select, IDK, Mo Bamba. Missed opportunities more so than blatant errors by this front office so far.

      Hold up a sec. You are saying that had we traded KOQ for a 2nd rounder, that would have been enough to trade up 3 slots? If that was possible…..wouldn’t we have just traded our 2nd rounder, which was 36th, and a lot better than whatever 2nd rounder we would have received?

    34. 2FOR18, understands math

      “If the idea is just to get worse why don’t we just trade KP, Knox, Frank, and Dotsun too? That would guarantee us a series of top 5 picks (plus the picks we got for them) that would probably be better than the current core.”

      That’s beneath you. That’s a hoolahoop or er level post.

    35. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Hold up a sec. You are saying that had we traded KOQ for a 2nd rounder, that would have been enough to trade up 3 slots? If that was possible…..wouldn’t we have just traded our 2nd rounder, which was 36th, and a lot better than whatever 2nd rounder we would have received?

      I think the implication was that O’Quinn led to more wins, keeping the Knicks in purgatory. VORP has him at 6.2 WAR, WP at 7.5, WS at 4.8.

      With a scrub in his place, they could have won 21-25 wins, planting them in the Doncic slot.

    36. mase

      Hezonja and Knox do not cancel each other out. Both are wings who don’t rebound well but Mario can pass and Knox can run. So we have some shooters who may mix well together. Dotson and trier also fits well with that group but they won’t see the light of day behind Timmy and Lee.

    37. thenoblefacehumper

      I honestly don’t know what I would’ve done with KOQ this offseason after inexplicably not trading him and maaaaaybe costing ourselves Luka Doncic in the process (laugh all you want, the Kings got the #2 pick by winning two fewer games). The best idea was to not put ourselves in that position.

      On one hand, I might’ve re-signed him with the idea of trading him and finally getting something out of KOQ’s Knicks tenure. On the other, it really is important to tank hard this season due to our utter lack of high-level talent.

      After not trading him it might’ve been better to just let the guy spread his wings somewhere and start the tank at game 1. It’s a badly bungled situation any way you look at it though.

    38. chrisk06811

      I think the implication was that O’Quinn led to more wins, keeping the Knicks in purgatory. VORP has him at 6.2 WAR, WP at 7.5, WS at 4.8. With a scrub in his place, they could have won 21-25 wins, planting them in the Doncic slot.

      But, the trade deadline was feb 8. After that, we went like 6-21. What could you argue we would have been without KOQ….5-22? 4-23 at worst? that wasn’t enough. Even at 2-25, there would have been 4 teams worse than us.

    39. danvt

      #34

      I just think he may be a guy that can transcend those numbers. His shot selection has been truly terrible. This is a result of his apprenticeship under Carmelo Anthony. I think a good coach could turn him into an efficient player. He needs more dunks and fewer contested mid range shots. Whether he deserves the max is something I’ll leave to brighter basketball minds than me. If a max is what it takes to keep him it may indeed be foolish to hand it to him.

      I just think it’s slightly more realistic to expect him to come into his own than some other bets NYK has made. That’s among my last shreds of optimism for this roster.

    40. Ben R

      Out of all the games we won from February on. There is only one game which you could argue O’Quinn made a tangible difference. So not trading him cost us at most one game. That one game maybe cost us one slot and my guess is we would have picked Knox over Sexton anyway.

      Not trading O’Quinn at the deadline is such a hypothetical mistake it’s really not worth ringing our hands over. We have no idea if there was a real offer made, and if Kanter had opted out and Robinson had not dropped keeping O’Quinn might have been the plan.

      There is a lot of legitimate things to criticize: picking Knox, THJ’s contract, trading for Mudiay, trading Willy for peanuts, Baker’s contract, etc. We don’t need to manufacture mistakes to get upset about.

    41. ess-dog

      I can’t imagine Knox starting over Hezonja unless Knox plays the 4. In that case, we’re talking about a Kanter/Knox frontcourt? That’s like zero rim protection.

      A Burke/Hardaway/Hezonja/Knox/Kanter starting lineup seems very likely and could be the worst defensive lineup in the history of the league which will be great for the tank.

    42. Ntilakilla

      @43

      I agree with the premise of your argument, but let’s be careful not to put the cart before the horse. We have to separate the contract issue from KP’s rehabilitation. Whether or not the front office overpays him, trades or him or whatever else is peripheral to the way his recovery will be handled. I am personally of the mind that we should be prepared not to play him this season. And right now, I am happy that the FO is of this mind. If he can come back at the tale end of the season, show us he’s fine, and not fundamentally disrupt or tank in a totally Knicksian fashion then fine. But first things first.

    43. thenoblefacehumper

      I’m not upset about not trading KOQ because of the tangible assets lost, which were probably one draft slot and one extra second rounder. I think the people saying they would likely be inconsequential in the long run have a legitimate case.

      The problem is the process. I will say it again—this team desperately needs talent. It is in no position to pass on assets of any size due to inconvenience or indecision. Having a front office that does exactly that has consequences that extend well past the individual case of KOQ.

    44. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Why not trade him in December? Or why not give him 35 minutes per game to trick bad GMs by inflating his per-game numbers?

      You don’t have to wait for the trade deadline to make a move.

    45. Ben R

      It would have made no sense to trade O’Quinn in December. We were still attempting to make the playoffs and O’Quinn was potentially a big part of that. There is a strong argument to be made that we should have been focusing way more on developing youth last season and not worried about the playoffs but that is a different criticism than not trading O’Quinn.

    46. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      We have to separate the contract issue from KP’s rehabilitation. Whether or not the front office overpays him, trades or him or whatever else is peripheral to the way his recovery will be handled. I am personally of the mind that we should be prepared not to play him this season. And right now, I am happy that the FO is of this mind. If he can come back at the tale end of the season, show us he’s fine, and not fundamentally disrupt or tank in a totally Knicksian fashion then fine. But first things first.

      The contract issue and rehabilitation are inextricably linked. There’s no call to rush him back from rehab to inflate his trade value, and especially not to prove that he can play before offering the contract. That would be downright silly.

      He will ask for a max contract and the Knicks will be the ones who’ll be maligned if they let him walk or trade him for future assets. Either he signs a max deal and becomes a max-level player after his major injury, or the Knicks fleece some team in a sign-and-trade in which Porzingis shows himself to be a dud in 2019-20 and the Knicks make out like bandits (a la the Carmelo trade).

    47. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      It would have made no sense to trade O’Quinn in December. We were still attempting to make the playoffs and O’Quinn was potentially a big part of that.

      And unsurprisingly, the Knicks top brass didn’t seem to realize that O’Quinn was a big part of their unlikely playoff push and let his contract expire instead.

    48. Sir Robin

      Chrisk. Another 2nd rounder could have been bundled. Ir as jowels pointsout, trade him earlier. Trade lee also.. The best teams are identifying better value and trading up or down asneeded. Just miss on Curry in 09, Seattle fir Jordan hill. Trade our first etc and get Bamba. .the nyks settled for Knox instead of the multiple options they had. That may work out yet, however.

    49. JK47

      “Hey guys should we try to get an asset for Kyle O’Quinn before his contract expires”
      “Nah fam we need him for our playoff push”
      “But we’re only playing him like 15 minutes per game”
      “Playoffs doe”

      #Knicks

    50. Sir Robin

      JK. Agree. Everyplayer, every cap dollar, every draft spot has value. I know football is a different sport, but imagine for example instead of drafting Saquon 2nd, Giants had traded down. What could they have gotten from other teams, the jets included?

    51. Sir Robin

      Stretching Noah is the next big mistake NYKs can do. Just get thru this year, cuz you ain’t going anywhere anyway. Then next year he becomes more tradeable as an expiring.

    52. thenoblefacehumper

      Yeah, there is absolutely no reason to stretch Noah until you get an agreement from a worthwhile (i.e. top 15, not Kyrie Irving) free agent.

    53. bobneptune

      Re KOQ, I believe most of KB felt that the real mistake was not trading him for at least a 2nd round pick. That pick may have enabled NYKs to move up in the draft, say 3 slots to select, IDK, Mo Bamba. Missed opportunities more so than blatant errors by this front office so far.

      I get that and concurred at the time…. there is only one problem….. reality… we are great GM’s with an imaginary marketplaces…. if there wasn’t a GM that was willing to give him more than 4.5M for a single year when he is playing at a career best level…. who is giving up ANY draft choice for him?

      If there was such a suitor the Knicks could have bid on him now to get him back if they have such a high opinion of him.

      Same with Lee…. who is giving up ANYTHING for a 30 yr old 2 guard with a WS/48 =.082 and is due 25M for the next 2 years????

    54. Jack Bauer

      Where’s reub with some unrealistic optimism when we need him?

      I really hope Knox shows us something in summer league. If he turns out to be a bust that will set the Knicks back even further. I don’t know what the hell Fizdale is thinking with that proposed “super big “ lineup that has Knox at the 2. The one excuse about his poor college performance that makes the most sense is that he was playing out of position with Kentucky, at you guessed it, the 2 guard. Let’s try it some more – Brilliant, pass me a Guinness !

      Sitting KP most or all of the year is the best move. Helps the tank and hopefully the contract negotiations.

    55. Ben R

      If we are planning on stretching him next summer we should stretch Noah as soon as we can. No reason to wait. He shouldn’t set foot on the court for the Knicks this year and it’s shitty to make him sit out all season just to waive him, plus we could use his roster spot.

    56. bobneptune

      1) KP misses the whole season and the Knicks give him the designated-player max anyway.
      2) KP misses most of the season, comes back with a torrid 15-20 games and the Knicks give him the contract based on a small sample.
      3) KP misses most of the season, comes back weak and the Knicks sign-and-trade him for pennies on the dollar.
      4) KP misses most of the season, comes back weak and the Knicks give him the max anyway.
      5) KP is traded before the deadline for pennies on the dollar.

      Of course in Jowlesian fashion you omit the most obvious scenario:

      The Knicks hold KP out the first 70 or so games to maximize the tank and after watching his rehab from Sept to April (having a pretty good line on his health while maximizing the overall body remake) allow him to play every other game Embiid style restricted to 18 or so minutes.

      This does a number of things:

      1… Maximizes his long term health by delaying the onset of high end stress as against a 10-12 month rehab.

      2… Gives KP peace of mind that his body can still play after a catastrophic injury.

      3…. gives the Knicks knowledge whether he can still play at a high level post catastrophic injury after watching him rehab daily (any setbacks?) for 6 straight months.

      4…. Let’s opposing GM’s have some tangible information should they be moved to make a big offer for him.

      5… gets 95% of total tankibility out of the injury….

    57. chrisk06811

      Phoenix traded up from 16 to 10 and it cost them an unprotected 1st round pick from Miami. There is no way we were moving up from 9th to 6th without sending a 1st round pick. there isn’t anything we could have received for KOQ that would have made a deal work.

    58. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      if there wasn’t a GM that was willing to give him more than 4.5M for a single year when he is playing at a career best level

      I think it’s a trend league-wide, right now, to not give long contracts to “role players.”

      years/AAV $M

      Bradley, 2/12.5
      Cousins, 1/5.3
      Randle, 2/9
      Calderon, 1/2.4
      Tolliver, 1/5-6
      KCP, 1/12
      Glenn Robinson, 2/4
      Elfrid Payton, 1/2.7
      Stephenson, 1/4.5
      Hezonja, 1/too much at any price
      VanVleet, 2/9
      Baynes, 2/5.5
      Gay, 1/10
      Harris, 2/8
      Grant, 3/9
      McDermott, 3/7.3
      Davis, 1/4.4
      Rose, 1/2.2
      Casspri, 1/undisclosed (probably under $5M)
      Belinelli, 2/6
      G. Green, 1/2.4

      Then some guys who earned long contracts and some guys who shouldn’t have gotten long contracts:

      Barton 4/12.5
      Paul, 4/40
      George, 4/35
      James, 4/40

      It seems to me that this is a bad offseason to be a FA of any quality aside from “superstar.” Lots of those contracts in 2016 are turning bad teams into also-luxury-taxed teams, so I can see why he didn’t get a 4/$40M deal that I’d have expected two years ago. But still, the Knicks turned him into nothing. Nothing! If you can turn WHG into two future 2nds, you can get something from Kyle O’Quinn, who would be an excellent bench player for a Finals contender, or a solid starter for a team hoping to break into the Semis.

    59. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      The Knicks hold KP out the first 70 or so games to maximize the tank and after watching his rehab from Sept to April (having a pretty good line on his health while maximizing the overall body remake) allow him to play every other game Embiid style restricted to 18 or so minutes.

      This is the same front office who thought Tim Hardaway Jr. deserved a $71M contract and that Kevin Knox was a lottery pick. I don’t trust them to be reasonable evaluators of player ability. At all.

    60. thenoblefacehumper

      Phoenix traded up from 16 to 10 and it cost them an unprotected 1st round pick from Miami. There is no way we were moving up from 9th to 6th without sending a 1st round pick. there isn’t anything we could have received for KOQ that would have made a deal work.

      Yeah, but having an extra second rounder in a year where De’Anthony Melton went 47th and Gary Clark and Theo Pinson went undrafted would’ve been nice. Even if they couldn’t have gotten a 2018 second, I don’t know how one can make the case that 27 games of Kyle O’Quinn in which losses were preferable were more important than literally anything. The name of the game in the NBA is stuffing as many assets below the cap as possible. Anytime you don’t do that, you screwed up.

      It’s not the worst mistake this group has made, but there is no arguing that they bungled it and these things add up.

    61. nicos

      Predictions for Knox tonight? I’m going with 4-11 (2-6 from 3) with 4 boards and 1 assist.

    62. bobneptune

      If you can turn WHG into two future 2nds, you can get something from Kyle O’Quinn, who would be an excellent bench player for a Finals contender, or a solid starter for a team hoping to break into the Semis.

      I’m not so sure…. WHG was 6 years younger and cost controlled for 3.5 seasons at a virtual minimum and a similar sort of player… plays near the floor with poor range. You were buying KOQ for 2-4 months for 4 times the cost.

      OR…. you could look at it another way…. if rival GM’s deemed KOQ a 4.5M player on a one year contract only…. the KNICKS got a king’s ransom for WHG ;-)

    63. Ntilakilla

      There’s no call to rush him back from rehab to inflate his trade value, and especially not to prove that he can play before offering the contract. That would be downright silly.

      What? The double negative here is confusing.

    64. Bruno Almeida

      Knox definitely has the right mindset, he’s on full attack mode getting to the rim all the time. I like it so far.

      Poor Young getting guarded by Frank lol.

    65. JK47

      Yeah, I like the way Knox is playing in this game. He’s taking the ball to the hole hard, and not looking for finesse/floater type shots.

    66. JK47

      Frank is such a beast on D. He really relishes it. Too bad he doesn’t have the same aggression on offense.

      Yeah, Frank pretty much never looks to take his man off the dribble, even if that man is Trae Young. He’s a point guard in name only. He takes the ball up the floor, then looks to just dump it off to somebody up at the three point line.

    67. Ntilakilla

      Dotson is cold-blooded about his shots. He and Knox have about 80 percent of the teams shots between them.

    68. llcoolbp

      “Yeah, I like the way Knox is playing in this game. He’s taking the ball to the hole hard, and not looking for finesse/floater type shots.”

      I’m surprised at how aggressive and quick he looks. Because he was labeled a “low motor” guy before the draft.

    69. Bruno Almeida

      Not trying to overreact or anything but is Daniel Ochefu the next Kyle O’Quinn?

    70. ethsurken

      Knox looks great in transition. I like that he’s attacking the rim in the half court, but he’s gotten bailed out with the two foul calls—on both he had little/no separation and they would’ve been low percentage looks otherwise. Hasn’t gotten by anyone, and touch looked bad on the two missed layups.

    71. JK47

      So far:
      Knox = good!
      Dotson = good!
      Frank = same as last year!
      Robinson = didn’t really do anything!
      Everybody else = who gives a shit!

    72. thenoblefacehumper

      Ochefu actually had interesting college numbers. I see no reason to roster Isiah Hicks but not him.

    73. JK47

      Knox’s hoggish tendencies are annoying me.

      Yeah, homie is not looking to pass the rock

    74. thenoblefacehumper

      It’s nice that Knox is taking it to the hole but it sure seems like he has no idea what to do when he gets there.

    75. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Robinson is in everything on D

      Frank looks bad

    76. ess-dog

      I like how Robinson and Trier look. Knox is a concern. He looks like a black hole. But he’s very young.

    77. Bruno Almeida

      Frank and Knox are struggling hard now, but Robinson has had some nice plays.

    78. thenamestsam

      Only half a summer league game but man I was really hoping to see some obvious strides from Frank. Second year guys usually look a lot more “with it” than rookies but Frank still looks totally lost on offense

    79. JK47

      I’m just a guy on a blog. I’m wrong about stuff plenty often. There are lots of things I could learn about basketball.

      But I am pretty damn sure Frank Ntilikina is not an NBA point guard.

    80. nicos

      I thought Knox looked decent on D- stayed in front of guys and aggressive challenging shots. Not too active on the boards though. It’d be really nice to see Robinson play with an actual point guard but been impressed so far. Frank is not a point guard.

    81. ClashFan

      For whatever reason, Knox and Dotson seem to be dominating the offense. They are 7/21 combined.

    82. Owen

      The first time you see Frank dribble, it’s like, really? He’s not a point guard.

      But whatever, he can defend. No PG will ever want to see him matching up

    83. ethsurken

      At half, Knox 3/3 on dunks, 1/9 on all other shots.

      The rookies look about as expected. Dotson looks good—he should get major minutes this year. Troy Williams also looks good, but the key with him will really be his shot.

      But I think the biggest revelation has been Frank’s lack of development. Summer League is the time to stretch your wings, and Frank has shown nothing outside of a nice scoop layup. He doesn’t look like a PG, and doesn’t play like a PG. Trier looks like more of a PG. Dotson looks like more of a PG. Hell, OG Anuoby has shown more off the dribble in Summer League than Frank so far.

    84. JK47

      I don’t want to belabor the point but it’s a waste of time trying to even pretend that Frank is going to make it as a PG. He should be developed as a 3-and-D SG/SF swingman. He doesn’t have the handle to play PG, he doesn’t have the explosiveness, and he doesn’t have the temperament. He’s such a good defender that he can still be a valuable player, but any time spent trying to develop him at the point is time wasted in my opinion.

    85. d-mar

      Frank does the same thing every time up the court: dribble to the top of the 3 point line, pick up his dribble, then pass to someone standing 5 feet from him. Pretty predictable.

    86. d-mar

      Robinson does remind me a lot of Whiteside. If he hits that level, what a find for the Knicks in the 2nd round.

    87. thenoblefacehumper

      First round lottery pick Mitchell Robinson looks great, second round flyer Kevin Knox has been a caricature of himself

    88. d-mar

      First round lottery pick Mitchell Robinson looks great, second round flyer Kevin Knox has been a caricature of himself

      We’d be in great shape if we traded our 1st round pick for two 2nd rounders

    89. Clyde's suit

      Frank has been REALLY disappointing so far. If I didn’t know better I think that Trier was our promising young point guard and Frank was an undrafted rookie with some real potential as a defensive specialist. Depressing.
      On the bright side, Knox has done some nice things out there. Looks to have a good stroke, runs the floor well and gives decent effort on D. Robinson has me excited! Looks great on D and has a bit of an edge to him. Trier, Dobson and Williamson are keepers!
      Watching Frank try to play the point makes me realize why the FO felt the need to pick up Mudiay. They already know that Frank don’t got it.

    90. Bruno Almeida

      Robinson does look pretty damn promising.

      I’m willing to give Ntilikina until the all star break to show us something in terms of ball handling, but right now it’s still terrible. No need to overreact but it does look exactly the same as last season.

      I think a Tony Allen who can shoot 3s potentially is still a pretty good player, but if that’s his ceiling I’ll be very disappointed.

    91. JK47

      Re: Knox

      He certainly looks like a good athlete, can run the floor and jump, and he’s taking the ball to the hole hard, drawing some fouls. He has had some decent defensive possessions, looks like he’s at least trying on that end, and can move okay laterally. So that’s all, uh, pretty good.

      But man is this kid a black hole once he gets the ball. You pass him that thing, and nobody else is touching it for the remainder of the possession. I have just really had my fill of this type of player over the years, the pointzz dude who refuses to pass. Looks like we got another one on our hands.

    92. ethsurken

      MitchRob looks great. With his high hips/long legs, wingspan, and quickness, he can guard the ball handler and still contest the pass out to a three pointer shooter. It’s truly impressive. His defensive instincts look good too.

    93. JK47

      I’m willing to give Ntilikina until the all star break to show us something in terms of ball handling, but right now it’s still terrible. No need to overreact but it does look exactly the same as last season.

      It’s not just his ballhandling, it’s his entire game, his whole mentality, his whole approach to basketball. I don’t even see flashes that make me think he can be a lead guard. When a PG sees that he’s matched up against a crummy defender, his thinking should be “I can make something happen here,” not “somebody please come run over here so I can dump this ball off.” I’m squinting my eyes as hard as I can here and I don’t see anything that resembles point guard play.

    94. ess-dog

      Mudiay don’t got it either. It seems to be Burke’s job to lose. But who starts at the 2?

    95. ess-dog

      Knox reminds me of a young Carmelo Anthony without the post game. That’s not a diss.

    96. JK47

      Robinson with the rebound in traffic. He’s doing some things.

      His conditioning also looks pretty good for a guy who hasn’t played much.

    97. Bruno Almeida

      @130

      Yeah, he occasionally has those nice passes that makes it look like he has good court vision, but he doesn’t have anything else of the necessary tools to make use of that. It’s getting to a point where I think he should just play SG anyway and keep working on the handle / penetration, maybe one day he figures it out and can play as a PG, maybe he never does. I’m still optimistic about him as a player overall, but focusing on what he does better instead of trying to force him as a PG might just be better in the end.

    98. Grocer

      I get that it’s just summer league, but this is one of the absolutely worst broadcasts I have ever seen.

    99. Bruno Almeida

      In other news, I expect we’ll see a lot of 20 FGA / 2 or less assists games for Knox this year. Love that he keeps attacking the rim, but he really isn’t interested in making plays for anyone else.

    100. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Knox, Trier, Dotson, and Robinson all have encouraging box scores. Frank Ntilikina’s box score isn’t what you’d like to see outside of the steal and block numbers, but I’ve started to see him as (hopefully) Andre Roberson 2.0.

    101. ess-dog

      I could get into a MitchRob/KP/Knox/Frank/Burke lineup with Troy/Dotson/Kornet/Trier bench.
      Trae looks pretty good today btw.

    102. JK47

      Mitchell Robinson’s knack for rebounding in traffic and his natural shot-blocking ability are the most exciting things I’ve seen today. He’s less raw than I had thought. He has a nose for the ball.

    103. ethsurken

      If I’m defending Knox, I’m doing my best to not foul him on layup attempts. He has no prayer of making most of them—no balance/control. If I’m a help defender, I’m helping, because there’s no chance he passes it out.

    104. djphan

      if frank gets moved off of pg then you might as well release him…. the whole point to drafting him was his upside as a pg…. if he’s not working out there then you just drafted something you could have gotten off of waivers…..

      drafting projects and not giving them the time to develop is the height of schrizophrenic development process…

    105. d-mar

      What you will not hear Kevin Knox say after the game: “Well, it was my first summer league game, so I was just feeling my way, not forcing anything, just trying to facilitate”

    106. Clyde's suit

      Kevin Knox is not a point guard nor was he drafted to be a playmaker. Frank was and he is terrible at it. That is the problem. Last play was a terrible turnover because he has no handle and wound up throwing a terrible pass. Sheesh.

    107. JK47

      if frank gets moved off of pg then you might as well release him…. the whole point to drafting him was his upside as a pg…. if he’s not working out there then you just drafted something you could have gotten off of waivers…..

      This is utterly, completely wrong.

      Frank has useful NBA skills. Those skills do not include “playing point guard,” but he has useful skills nonetheless. Saying you should release him because he can’t play point guard is ridiculous, that’s like drafting a player at shortstop who turns out to be a terrific hitter, but who can’t play shortstop, and then releasing him instead of moving him to second base because “we drafted him to play shortstop.”

    108. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      There’s no call to rush him back from rehab to inflate his trade value, and especially not to prove that he can play before offering the contract. That would be downright silly.

      To clarify:

      -Porzingis is not coming back early enough to trade him to a contender before the deadline, so if you trade him before February, it’s for a fraction of what you could have gotten for him last March.
      -Rushing him back to see his play in 10-15 games so you can decide whether to make a max offer is risking his health so you can make a bet on his health. It makes no sense. The sample is small (if he has a TS% of .650 in his first ten games back, are you willing to bet $195M that that’s the new, everyday Porzingis?)
      -Rushing him back to see his play so you can inflate his trade value is, again, robbing Peter to pay Paul. Re-injuring that knee (or some other injury from muscle imbalance, what have you) turns him into a big, fat zero.

      There’s just no circumstance in which the Knicks make a decision that has minimized risk. They either overpay a fragile, underperforming “superstar-in-waiting,” or they trade him when his value is low. He could turn into a superstar, or Vlade Divac could send his next five available draft picks to the Knicks for the privilege to resign Porzingis for $195M. Each outcome seems wholly unlikely to me.

    109. kevin5318

      If Frank grows to 6’8 do we even want him at PG?

      Having a secondary initiator on the wing who can lock down an opposing teams best perimeter player is a tremendous asset.

    110. Clyde's suit

      I think we should all be pretty happy with the players we got in this year’s draft. There is finally reason for optimism in Knickland! Knox, Mitchell, and Trier. We did good on draft night.
      I hate it when my team loses and I expect that we will lose a lot this year but watching these guys develop will be fun.
      Despite my sense that Frank will never be a point guard, we have other players who can handle the playmaking responsibilities until Uncle Drew arrives (smile) so no big whoop. So many people gnashing their teeth about the Know pick, but it is wasting a lottery pick on Frank that should have you upset.
      Anyway, looking forward to game two for our young Knicks. So far, so good.

    111. nicos

      The big takeaway from the game is that Robinson looks like a potential game-changer on defense and should be good enough diving to the hoop that he’ll have some offensive value as well- needs to hit those free throws though. Knox did have 8 boards and a couple of assists (though passing surely isn’t going to be his forte) and did a good job staying in front of people and generally not getting lost too much on defense. To me that’s fairly encouraging.

      The big disappointment was Frank looking exactly like he did last year. Most positions I’d say just throw him out there anyway (speaking of the regular season) but playing him at point really hurts everybody else on offense. It’s tough to develop guys on that end if they’re playing with someone who struggles to get the team into good sets.

    112. thenoblefacehumper

      My biggest fear with Knox isn’t that he washes out of the league. It’s that he continues to do his Andrew Wiggins imitation all the way to the bank.

      I really like Robinson though and hope he somehow winds up starting, or at least getting all the minutes he can handle.

    113. djphan

      the problem you have is that he just sucks… not that he’s a pg…. a move to sg doesn’t make him not suck….

      he had a 2:1 a/to ratio last year… that was his second best quality… the issue is that he sucks at shooting…. and he makes ridiculously bad bonehead plays once in awhile…

    114. Ntilakilla

      A lot of hot takes after this game here and in the twitterverse:

      Knox looks like the right pick. Culture is everything from here on out.— Charles Oakley (@CharlesOakley34) July 7, 2018

    115. ClashFan

      Weird stat of the night: who were the only three Knicks with a negative +/-??

      Knox (-11), Frank (-9), and Mitchell (-5)

      I was encouraged with Knox’s rebounding…he was competing on the boards. I wish we could take about half of Knox’s selfishness and give it to Frank. It would benefit both of them.

    116. Ntilakilla

      Can’t believe there’s really people out there that don’t think Ntilikina is an NBA player. Shit is laughable.— New Era Knicks (@NewEraKnicks) July 7, 2018

    117. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      If Frank grows to 6’8 do we even want him at PG?

      Do you think Giannis and Ben Simmons should play any position but PG?

      I’m still trying to wrap my brain around the Zach LaVine contract. Not as bad as Wiggins, but it’s basically like giving $78M to Mudiay.

      People got paid large sums of money by one of the most-storied franchises in the world’s best basketball league to offer that contract. Think about that.

    118. kevin5318

      @ 159 I’m just saying Frank doesn’t have to be pidgeonholed into PG to be successful.

      Having him in a Batum or Igoudala role looks like the best avenue for him.

    119. chrisk06811

      did somebody actually post that we should cut frank because he’s not a PG, or have the Russians gotten their hands on our site?

    120. Clyde's suit

      @152

      I couldn’t agree more. He is NOT helping the offense of any of the other players on the court with him at all. Not sure what the problem is but as others have stated, he looks EXACTLY the same as last year. Too bad. I had hopes that the work he was reported to be putting in over the summer would manifest itself with improved play. But nope, not at all. He is a very good on-ball defender and that is ALL.

      He should certainly NOT start and some time in the G league might do him good if they insist on him being a point guard one day. Honestly, Trier looked better running the offense and he was not a PG in college and does not have a year of NBA play behind him like Frank.

    121. Clyde's suit

      Speaking of head scratching contracts, how the hell did McBuckets get a 3-year deal at those dollars???

    122. JK47

      Frank was not even really drafted to be a PG, he was drafted to be “the new Ron Harper” or a “triangle PG” or whatever dumb shit Phil Jackson was trying to do with him. As a defensive-oriented SG/SF type hybrid with some good passing skills maybe he could make something of himself. Work on shooting thousands of jump shots a day and stop trying to jam a square peg into a round hole by spending time working on his nonexistent handle.

    123. kevin5318

      I will be against anyone who says Frank can’t be at least league average from 3.

      Someone with his form can’t be that bad a shooter forever.

    124. thenoblefacehumper

      Frank’s PG prospects definitely look grim, but I’d keep trotting him out there until we have something better to do. My inclination is we would’ve seen it by now if there was an NBA point guard in there, but there’s no harm in continuing to try while accumulating ping pong balls.

      I definitely don’t think his NBA prospects are doomed if he’s not a PG though. A 2/3 who can defend 3-4 positions very well, hold his own relative to his position on the glass, and hit threes very much has a place in the league. I think the latter will have more bearing on his eventual outcome than whether or not he’s a PG actually. If he’s not a point guard AND he can’t shoot, then yeah, we might be shit out of luck.

    125. Grocer

      He is a very good on-ball defender and that is ALL.

      Be fair, he’s also a good help defender. He had a very authoritative block today as well.

    126. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I don’t think Frank’s a PG unless his handle takes a leap but can we not overreact to one bad summer league game by claiming that his game hasn’t improved at all? Sample size, folks.

    127. BigBlueAL

      I wouldn’t be so against Frank if it wasn’t the fact he was drafted by Phil because he was a perfect fit for the stupid triangle then Phil was promptly fired right after the draft. Oh yeah and the Knicks passed on Donovan Mitchell to take Frank.

    128. kevin5318

      Frank definitely has good passing instincts and vision. He’s not just a 3&D guy.

    129. Ben R

      I think everyone needs to calm down a bit. It was one summer league game. My feelings about Frank’s potential have not moved an inch because of this game. Summer league is bad for passive players and role players. Scorers with no conscience tend to do well. Even if he took a huge step forward summer league is not where Frank would shine. Let’s at least wait until the end of training camp before we close the book on Frank’s improvement.

    130. Z-man

      Just got home from a road trip and read this thread….was there a contest to name your favorite Z-man “Frank is not a PG” post from last year?

    131. Clyde's suit

      Re Frank, it’s not just a summer league game! He’s going into his second year, remember? The reason a lot of us were so anxious for this game was to see the manifestation of his off season workouts on his handle and his game overall. It’s perfectly reasonable to be HUGELY disappointed that he doesn’t look a bit different than the rookie Frankie we watched ALL of last season.

      Unlike a lot of second year players I’ve watched in summer league, Frank’s play was utterly and completely indistinguishable from his rookie season.

    132. vincoug

      So, here’s my way too early takes based off of one Summer League game:

      Ntilikina: Very concerned, he looks exactly the same as last year. Didn’t see any improvement in his handle or his shot.

      Knox: Totally unimpressive but I’m sure some people liked what they saw. To me, he looks like the kind of guy we’ll trade for a 1st round pick and then sign him to an absurd contract once he becomes a free agent.

      Robinson: Very impressive. Loved his movement on defense and seems to have good rebounding instincts.

      Mudiay: Why isn’t he playing in Summer League? He needs all the practice he can get.

    133. djphan

      i think it’s important to remember that ‘last season’ was a little under three months ago….

      frank’s got a lot of work to do… but that was gonna be true whether or not he put in a good or even crappy summer league….

    134. swiftandabundant

      Sooo many flaming hot takes in this thread.

      Will Frank be a PG? Maybe not. But he barely played PG last year so maybe he isn’t going to look like magic Johnson in his first summer league game. It’s not exactly a skill you can practice outside of live practices or real games. Maybe give him some time and if he doesn’t work out as our PG he still could be a great player for us.

      Chill the hell out.

    135. djphan

      i’ll say that knox’s performance was actually pretty good for a summer league… and yes jacking up terrible shots is gonna happen but what’s important at this stage is not being or looking overwhelmed… and it doesn’t seem to be the case…. efficiency is not that important here….

      again… one game… and it’s summer league but you can have appropriate levels of optimism from this performance…

    136. ptmilo

      Pretty fun summer league game. Mostly agree with consensus.

      1. Robinson looked really interesting both as a defender and as a finisher. He has a quick second leap, quick hands on defense and a bit of an edge (though he also got frustrated and stopped trying for about 90 seconds in the second half after Collins got the best of him). Really encouraging. His shot looked a fuck of a lot worse from the foul line than his YouTube videos shooting 3s. Pretty exciting debut for a second rounder.

      2. Yeah, Frank did not show any new downhill gear or fancy finishing moves on offense. Also threw of couple of his Ryan Leaf specials. Did have a huge block in the 4th.

      3. I don’t if I was discouraged or encouraged by Knox. He uses those long steps well and he can really get up even when off balance. But the handle, strength, vision are far away to be efficient putting it on the floor in half court. I disagree with those who though his D looked pretty good; he looked soft and slow-to-react, but the effort was solid. A key question is whether he’ll be a very good shooter or just an okay shooter.

    137. Donnie Walsh

      Just got home from a road trip and read this thread….was there a contest to name your favorite Z-man “Frank is not a PG” post from last year?

      Haha. Humor still reigns. Love this site.

    138. JK47

      Did Knox pass the ball even one time in the half court offense? I’m not even exaggerating, I’m not sure I saw him pass the ball once.

    139. DRed

      Guards 6’5″ or taller and under 21 who have had above average seasons by WS since 1979:

      James Harden (twice)
      Q-Rich (twice)
      Larry Hughes

      That’s it. That’s the whole list. The list of guys under that height isn’t a whole lot longer either. Young guards are not good, and really tall young guards are generally even worse or are still in college. If you want to look at a guy like George Hill as a comp for Frank he didn’t play in the NBA until he was 22 and wasn’t above average until the next year. Frank’s age 23 season is 4 years from now.

    140. DRed

      Also after drinking 1.5 beers and watching some highlights on Twitter I am pushing all my chips in on Mitchell Robinson

    141. Z-man

      @183 because he hasn’t played in a year, he has to be on double secret probation until we have enough minutes to constitute one per 36 sample. But yeah, ya think?

    142. Z-man

      But seriously, a Robinson/KP/Knox front line with Trey and Timmy in the backcourt? Lob City!

    143. Bruno Almeida

      From Woj:

      Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan Stone to Bulls.

      Apparently our boy Jerian is going to the Magic too.

      Is this the most random 3-way trade ever? Who initiated this shit, like who called someone and said “I want Biyombo” or “I want Mozgov” and who is Julyan Stone?

    144. JK47

      Obviously Robinson was a total cipher coming into this season, and we still have just the one game sample size, but that was kind of an eye opener. He is very quick for a guy his size, covers a lot of ground. Reminds me a bit of young Camby, or Capela, or a young Noah. Bigs with that kind of speed and recovery ability can be tremendous defenders.

    145. DRed

      Huge grains of salt and all that, but the one block where he followed one man into the lane, rotated 180 degrees when he passed and stuffed the shit out the guy he passed it to was a really impressive display of athleticism and timing. Yeah it’s summer league, but if you can block shots you can block shots.

    146. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Well, that’s one summer league game in the books. I’m pretty sure we know everything we need to know about Frank, Knox, Robinson, Dotson, and Trier.

    147. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      I was discouraged by Frank’s first half. But his second half was better. He had some good passes and a couple of attacks at the basket, one of which was successful. I’ve always thought it will take at least two years for him to get good. He’s still very young too. He’s less than two months older than Trae Young. We all want him to be good as a point guard this coming year, but my guess is that it will take more time than that.

    148. ClashFan

      The Knicks should sign Robinson to a Willy Special, if at all possible, (4 years, 1.5m a year or so).

    149. Grocer

      Yeah, I also thought Frank looked better in the fourth. More comfortable, less hesitant. There were a lot of nerves on the court tonight, tomorrow should be more interesting.

    150. ess-dog

      It really does take longer to learn the point guard position in basketball, especially at the top pro level. Honestly, the best thing for Frank would be to have him run the Westchester team for a full year, but idiot fans like us are all too impatient for that.

      I don’t know why it’s not more commonplace for draftees to do a “minor league stint” before coming up to the big team like in baseball. I’m sure it would do 18/19-year-olds (who are still growing) a world of good. It might even make it easier to judge their next contracts properly since they’ll have more reps for the FO to look at.

    151. JK47

      I get that it takes a while to learn to play point guard at the NBA level, but it’s hard to see even the basic building blocks of point guard play in Frank’s game. Doesn’t dribble well, doesn’t seem to be able to execute a pick and roll, doesn’t attack the rim, isn’t great in transition… He just does not seem to have the instincts or the skill set to play the position.

      I could see if he showed some of the basic skills you need to play PG but was inconsistent. Then I would say yeah, he just needs time to develop. But I’m not even seeing flashes. He dribbles the ball up to the three point line and dumps it off, that’s his idea of how you play the point guard position. When he does get over his own tentativeness and tries to put the ball on the deck and make a play, the results are usually ghastly.

      I’m just not seeing it.

    152. Clyde's suit

      I would be fine with Frank doing the year in Westchester so he can build his confidence, body and game away from the bright lights at MSG. We would miss his D but since we aren’t winning much this year anyway, does it really matter?

    153. swiftandabundant

      Doesn’t dribble well? His handle looked much improved in this game.

      In the off-season you can improve strength, conditioning, skills like shooting, etc…but you can’t really improve on being a point guard without, you know, actually playing point guard. The last season was 3 months ago and frank is still younger than slot of the people drafted THIS YEAR.

      Knickerblogger: where everyone talks about rebuilding the right way but then turns around and gives up on second year players in their first summer league game.

    154. Bruno Almeida

      @197

      You’re seriously twisting the narrative here. JK47 specifically said the team should not give up on Ntilikina as he has shown real basketball skills, his argument is just that those skills have not given the indication that he’ll be a viable PG in the near future (or ever), which is a good point.

      I like the guy and have defended the pick mostly because of those skills and his super young age, but there is real cause for concern.

    155. bobneptune

      As for yesterday’s game:

      Having never seen Knox play and after listening to him being pilloried here during the draft run up, I was pleasantly surprised. For a guy who couldn’t do anything but shoot, he got 8 boards, 2 dishes, blocked a very nice shot and at least looked adequate on defense. He shot a lot but wasn’t chucking at all. Almost all of his shots were perfectly good shots, he attacked the rim relentlessly and got to the line alot. His 3 ball didn’t drop, but 3 of his first 4 rattled in and out and his form is A-1.

      Robinson was a bloody revelation with a pretty unique skill set and played amazingly well for not playing a single game above AAu/HS. Lock him up , please…. he is at least going to be an NBA defensive player who can catch and finish and could be special if nurtured properly. Someone inthe scouting department deserves a raise.

      As to Frank, everyone knows Phil drafted him to play defense, bring the ball up the floor and dump it into the post and run behind the arc….. and that’s not what he is being asked to do. He isn’t a prototypical point guard and never will be. He is a wing who can handle the ball ok for a wing, play Joe Dumars minutes as a point and play world class shut down defense. That will be his roll and that will make him a valuable NBA player but he likely will never be a 36 MPG classic point.

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