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Knicks Morning News (2018.06.29)

  • [NYPost] Enes Kanter sets decision time with Knicks opt-in still likely
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:19:54 PM)

    With signs pointing toward Enes Kanter opting into his contract, the Knicks center stated in a text message to The Post his final decision won’t be rendered until Friday night. The Post has reported he will declare his intentions on social media. Friday is his deadline and strong indications point to Kanter opting into the…

  • [NYPost] Knicks expect ‘excited’ Porzingis to drive 2019 free agency splash
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:28:54 PM)

    Knicks president Steve Mills said formerly disgruntled Kristaps Porzingis is thrilled at the team’s direction. He expects Porzingis to draw a marquee free agent in 2019 like “a magnet,” as the franchise essentially sits out this summer’s frenzy. With brass again making no indication they’ll even attempt to have a meeting with LeBron James on July…

  • [NYPost] How Kentucky tried building Kevin Knox into next Durant
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:03:15 AM)

    Rookie Kevin Knox will make his Knicks debut July 7 at the Las Vegas summer league against the Hawks. Knox, 18, will either look like the next Kevin Durant or Jayson Tatum, depending which Kentucky coach you believe. One week after John Calipari compared Knox to Tatum in predicting he will explode in the NBA…

  • [NY Newsday] Enes Kanter sets decision time with Knicks opt-in still likely
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:19:54 PM)

    With signs pointing toward Enes Kanter opting into his contract, the Knicks center stated in a text message to The Post his final decision won’t be rendered until Friday night. The Post has reported he will declare his intentions on social media. Friday is his deadline and strong indications point to Kanter opting into the…

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks expect ‘excited’ Porzingis to drive 2019 free agency splash
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:28:54 PM)

    Knicks president Steve Mills said formerly disgruntled Kristaps Porzingis is thrilled at the team’s direction. He expects Porzingis to draw a marquee free agent in 2019 like “a magnet,” as the franchise essentially sits out this summer’s frenzy. With brass again making no indication they’ll even attempt to have a meeting with LeBron James on July…

  • [NY Newsday] How Kentucky tried building Kevin Knox into next Durant
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:03:15 AM)

    Rookie Kevin Knox will make his Knicks debut July 7 at the Las Vegas summer league against the Hawks. Knox, 18, will either look like the next Kevin Durant or Jayson Tatum, depending which Kentucky coach you believe. One week after John Calipari compared Knox to Tatum in predicting he will explode in the NBA…

  • [ESPN] Mills: Porzingis, Knicks have repaired relationship
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 4:20:58 PM)

    Knicks president Steve Mills said Thursday that the team has repaired its relationship with Kristaps Porzingis. Mills, speaking on The Stephen A. Smith Show, said the Knicks will be positioned to attract top free agents next offseason.

  • [ESPN] Sources: Kanter leans toward opt-in with Knicks
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:46:13 AM)

    Enes Kanter will survey the market until his Friday deadline, but he likely will exercise his $18.6 million player option to remain with the Knicks, sources told ESPN.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks targeting a big free agent in 2019
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:15:56 PM)

    Knicks president Steve Mills expects a low-key offseason as the team loads up for 2019

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Mills doesn’t think Porzingis will ask for a trade
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:40:28 PM)

    Knicks President Steve Mills is not concerned about the possibility of Kristaps Porzingis seeking a trade away from the team one day.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Enes Kanter may have made mind up on whether to opt out
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:52:29 AM)

    Enes Kanter has until Friday to decide whether to opt in or out of a Knicks deal that would pay him $18.6 million next season.

  • [NYDN] Gunman with grudge against Capital Gazette newspaper kills five, wounds two in ‘targeted’ newsroom shooting
    (Friday, June 29, 2018 3:00:00 AM)

    Terrified employees at a Maryland newspaper threw themselves under their desks when a shotgun-wielding maniac with a grudge against the outlet stormed their office and opened fire Thursday, killing five people and wounding two others in what authorities and witnesses described as a “targeted attack.”

  • [NYDN] Civility and its discontents: Why our public political behavior matters as much as ever
    (Friday, June 29, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    So frayed has political discourse become that the nation finds itself debating whether civility is good in the first place — and the suspicion spans the partisan divide. President Trump often rejects civility as “political correctness,” but increasingly his opponents share his suspicion.

    Sometimes…

  • [NYDN] Airport workers won’t wait: The Port Authority must raise their pay
    (Friday, June 29, 2018 1:10:00 AM)

    The Daily News’ Fight for Fair Pay Campaign for decent wages for 40,000 airport employees started in January 2014. Victory was supposed to be sealed with a Port Authority vote Thursday to enact a series of raises for cleaning crews, security guards and bag handlers at JFK, LaGuardia and Newark…

  • [NYDN] Deaths in the family: Horror visits a Maryland newsroom
    (Friday, June 29, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    Our hearts sag heavy for the five who lost their lives and still others wounded by gunfire in an Annapolis, Md., newsroom kindred to the one in which we write these grieving words. The Capital Gazette happens to share ownership with the Daily News, but more fundamentally we are family as fellow…

  • [NYDN] Teachout receives backing of prominent gay rights lawyer Roberta Kaplan
    (Friday, June 29, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    The lawyer who successfully argued before the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act is endorsing Fordham Law Prof. Zephyr Teachout for state attorney general, the Daily News has learned.

    Roberta Kaplan plans to make the announcement during a conference call with Teachout Friday…

  • [NYDN] Readers sound off on the Red Hen, Maxine Waters and Ron Perlman
    (Friday, June 29, 2018 12:00:00 AM)

    Red Hen and the fact of conscience

    Manhattan: The News’ editorial “The Red Hen and all of us” (June 26) misses the point. Donald Trump is mean and vicious to anyone he disagrees with or is investigating him. Sanders and the other Trump administration were not denied service for being Republicans…

  • [NYDN] Puerto Rico introduces bill to become U.S. state by 2021
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:40:00 PM)

    WASHINGTON — Puerto Rico’s non-voting representative in Congress is introducing a bill that seeks to make the U.S. territory a state by 2021.

    Resident Commissioner Jenniffer Gonzalez said Wednesday that 14 Democrats and 20 Republicans currently sponsor the bill among the 435 members in the House…

  • [NYDN] Man shot in head drives 20 miles in wrong direction for help
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:30:00 PM)

    MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. — Authorities say a central Georgia man who was shot in the head drove nearly 20 miles in the wrong direction to a hospital for help.

    The Telegraph of Macon reports 36-year-old Shasta Richardson was shot in the head by another man after trying to retrieve his belongings from…

  • [NYDN] Capital Gazette shows fortitude after its newsroom was ripped apart by gunfire: ‘Yes, we’re putting out a damn paper tomorrow’
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:20:00 PM)

    The Capital Gazette is refusing to let a fatal newsroom shooting get in the way of finishing tomorrow’s newspaper.

    “Yes, we’re putting out a damn paper tomorrow,” the outlet tweeted just after midnight on Friday, fulfilling a promise made by a reporter earlier in the day.

    The font page headline…

  • [NYDN] Pope Francis names 14 new cardinals, urges them to defend the dignity of the poor
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:15:00 PM)

    VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis gave the Catholic Church 14 new cardinals Thursday, exhorting them to resist any temptation toward haughtiness and instead embrace “the greatest promotion” they could hope to obtain: tending to those neglected or cast aside by society.

    Among those receiving the cardinals’…

  • [NYDN] U.S. judge releases 9-year-old Brazilian boy to mom after they were separated at border
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:15:00 PM)

    CHICAGO — A Brazilian mother and 9-year-old son separated at the U.S.-Mexico border were together again Thursday after a federal judge in Chicago ordered the U.S. government to release the boy, in one of the first examples of an urgent petition for court intervention successfully reuniting parent…

  • [NYDN] Ohio professor arrested after traveling to Missouri to have sex with 14-year-old girl: feds
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:00:00 PM)

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A professor at Miami University in Ohio has been indicted on charges of traveling to Missouri to have sex with what he thought was a 14-year-old girl.

    The U.S. attorney’s office says federal grand jurors returned the indictment Tuesday against 52-year-old Kevin Connor Armitage,…

  • [NYDN] Accused Trinitarios gang member admits to his role in vicious mistaken-identity stabbing that left teen dead
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:00:00 PM)

    The reputed Trinitarios gang member seen dragging Lesandro (Junior) Guzman-Feliz from a bodega so the rest of the street crew could hack and stab the boy to death admitted on Thursday that he took part in the attack in an exclusive jailhouse interview.

    Kevin Alvarez, 19, ’fessed up to being the…

  • [NYDN] Ex-con accused of fatally stabbing man outside Brooklyn homeless shelter
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:35:00 PM)

    An ex-con who served state prison time for a Manhattan robbery that left a man shot in the face is now charged with fatally stabbing a man outside a Brooklyn homeless shelter.

    Police on Thursday arrested Rickie Drawhorn, 38, charging him in the Feb. 25 murder of 21-year-old Miguel Acosta.

    Acosta…

  • [NYDN] TLC star Jazz Jennings says she’s ‘doing great’ after gender confirmation surgery
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:25:00 PM)

    Jazz Jennings, the 17-year-old star of “I Am Jazz,” shared her first post-op photo Thursday after undergoing gender confirmation surgery.

    “I’m doing great, thanks for all of the love and support,” the TLC star captioned the photo.

    Jennings, who was born male and identifies as female, confirmed…

  • [NYDN] Yankees are finally calling up Brandon Drury for Red Sox series: report
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:05:00 PM)

    Brandon Drury is finally being summoned from Triple-A Scranton, according to Ken Rosenthal.

    Drury has played his previous three games for the RailRiders all at first base, so he could be an option to start against the Red Sox lefties Chris Sale and David Price over the weekend. Aaron Boone indicated…

  • [NYDN] Enes Kanter trolls Knicks, NBA fans with cryptic Bucks emoji tweet
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:55:00 PM)

    Oh Deer.

    Enes Kanter caused a stir late Thursday night when the Knicks big man posted a cryptic tweet implying he may be taking his talents to Milwaukee.

    Kanter coyly posted an emoji of a deer without any caption or context, sending overreacting fans into a frenzy. He then quickly replied to that…

  • [NYDN] Trinitarios gang member busted in Upper East Side stabbing and robbery, cops say
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:35:00 PM)

    A member of the same bloodthirsty gang that murdered a teenager outside a Bronx bodega and knifed another on the Bronx River Parkway has been charged with stabbing and robbing a man on the Upper East Side, cops said.

    Missael Alvarez, 16, who cops describe as a member of the Trinitarios street gang,…

  • [NYDN] Lawyer recalls Jarrod Ramos’ ‘simmering anger’ while defending Capital Gazette from defamation suit
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:30:00 PM)

    Jarrod Ramos left a paper trail of mad ravings aimed at the Capital Gazette for at least six years before he allegedly stormed the newsroom Thursday slinging smoke grenades and firing a shotgun.

    The 38-year-old Laurel, Md., man arrested in the massacre began an obsessive campaign against the Annapolis…

  • [NYDN] Capital Gazette newspaper survivor erupts on Anderson Cooper — ‘Thanks for your prayers but I couldn’t give a f–k about them’
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:15:00 PM)

    Emotion were running high as Anderson Cooper welcomed two survivors from Maryland’s Capital Gazette newspaper shooting Thursday night.

    The idea of people praying for change totally set reporter Selene San Felice off.

    “I don’t know what I want right now but I’m gonna need more than a couple days…

  • [NYDN] Man fatally shot on Brooklyn streetcorner, marking second murder this year for once-notorious precinct
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:00:00 PM)

    A 27-year-old man was fatally shot on a Brooklyn streetcorner Thursday night, marking just the second murder this year in an East New York police precinct that saw triple-digit homicide numbers in the 1990s.

    The victim was shot on the corner of Pitkin and Montauk Aves. at about 9:30 p.m., after…

  • [NYDN] Florida man back in jail after not paying for taxi that picked him up from jail
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:25:00 PM)

    MELBOURNE, Fla. — Authorities say a Florida man was returned to jail shortly after his release because he couldn’t pay the taxi driver that took him home from the jail.

    Florida Today reports that 40-year-old Charles Folk was arrested Thursday morning and charged with petty theft.

    Melbourne police…

  • [NYDN] Cops name nephew as suspect in fatal stabbing of Bronx lottery winner
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:15:00 PM)

    Investigators believe an elderly Lottery winner stabbed to death in his Bronx home this month was killed by his nephew, and they’re asking the public’s help finding the man.

    Police on Thursday named 45-year-old Idris Abdul-Muhaymin as the prime suspect in the slaying of Owen Dillard, 73, who was…

  • [NYDN] ‘Halo’ live-action TV series finally set to move ahead at Showtime
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:40:00 PM)

    Showtime is finally bringing “Halo” to the small screen.

    The network announced Thursday that it has picked up a 10-episode season of a live-action, scripted drama series based on the video game franchise.

    “Lone Star” creator Kyle Killen will serve as showrunner, writer and executive producer alongside…

  • [NYDN] Saquon Barkley plans to save Giants contract earnings, live solely off of endorsements
    (Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:00:00 PM)

    Saquon Barkley may soon be a very rich man, but don’t expect him to spend money like one.

    While Barkley elected to buy his parents a new house earlier this week, the 21-year-old rookie said he plans to be frugal with his money throughout his career. Unlike most players, Barkley said he plans to…

  • [NYTimes] San Antonio Spurs Almost Ready to Cut Ties With Kawhi Leonard
    (Friday, June 29, 2018 3:46:49 AM)

    The Spurs have been reluctant to give up on fixing the damaged relationship with their All-Star forward but are close to letting him go.

  • [NYTimes] Say ‘Kia’ Around the Liberty, and Many Heads Turn
    (Friday, June 29, 2018 10:23:21 AM)

    The Liberty don’t have many wins this season, but at least they have set a W.N.B.A. record for most Kias in league history.

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    119 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2018.06.29)

    1. GoNyGoNyGo

      It’s clear to me, from the interview that Stephen A. Smith had with Steve Mill yesterday that the Knicks are not going to be signing any big names or trading for anyone of substance this year. I’m actually happy. They are embracing the tank.

      Mills said that they are only signing 1-year deals with free agents. He said that they have room for a max contract next year. He didn’t say it, but he implied that going into 2019 the Knicks will have 4 lottery picks on the roster which will make the Knicks attractive to free agents. I expect us to scrape the bottom of the barrel of free agents for 2018.

      Isn’t this what we’ve asked for?

    2. Brian Cronin

      I dunno, Kanter is opting in, right? So they’re capped out, right? So they’d be hard-pressed to sign free agents if they wanted to.

      But does that mean no KOQ? And if so, why did they not trade him?

      But anyhow, yes, in general, I’m tentatively optimistic that they’ll actually suck this year. Tentatively.

    3. Frank

      I kinda wish Steve Mills would just be quiet and not telegraph our intentions every time he gets in front of a microphone. Pre-draft it was “we’re taking a wing” before Perry had to walk it back to “we are going to take the best player available”. It didn’t happen to matter in that case, but one can imagine that a team might have moved ahead of us to take a wing if they liked that player enough and were reasonably sure we were taking him.

      Now he’s saying we want to sign a max player next summer. Guess what, that destroys any sort of negotiating uncertainty we have for trying to get off Courtney Lee’s contract — now we’re not doing another team a favor by giving him up, they’re doing us a favor by getting him off our contract. Maybe this is obvious to NBA GMs anyway, but still, what is the upside of vomiting out our strategy?

      Just say that we want to maintain flexibility for next summer, but we’ll see how the team develops and what our timeline looks like before we rule anything in or out. We’re most interested in seeing how the young players grow under our new coach and development staff. End interview.

    4. Frank

      How do you trade someone who’s surely opting out?

      People are traded as rentals all the time. My guess is we could have gotten at least a 2nd round pick for him, ie. traded him into a trade exception or for a similarly expiring contract, but who knows, maybe not. Or even better, since we should’ve known ahead of time that we were not going to be active in FA this summer, they could’ve gotten back a player who’s expiring this season (after the 18-19 season) and extracted a better asset as compensation for that. For instance, maybe we could’ve traded KOQ + #36 to Washington for Jason Smith (making $5MM in 2018-19 with the Wizards in the tax) + #15. Or something like that.

    5. Ingmarrrr

      Does anyone else think that the PG trade for Oladipo and Sabonis is way worse than what the Knicks paid for Melo?

    6. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Sam Presti got killed in both of those trades if you ask me. Oladipo, Sabonis, and Kanter would probably make OKC better than what they are with Melo and PG and there would be no risk of losing any of them for the foreseeable future. Now they’re a luxury tax team that runs the risk of having to trade Westbrook next off season if PG leaves and they can’t Jedi mind-trick a team like NOLA to send them Anthony Davis. I know it’s easy to want to fire a GM or POBO, but I really wish the NBA had a clause to deem an owner or ownership group bad for the league and force them to sell. Guys like Clay Bennett, James Dolan, and Robert Sarver have cost their team more wins than any bad GM could ever have, and it hurts the overall parity of the NBA. If you want more competition in the NBA, then don’t have your GM trade James Harden in favor of keeping Kendrick Perkins.

    7. Z-man

      @6 Melo was worse but not by much. We gave up just about every trade asset we had and set the franchise back years. But Presti is a bumbling fool who fucked up a golden situation about as bad as one possibly could.

    8. english_knick

      Depends a bit on if you mean worse in hindsight or at the time. I’d say at the time that Sabonis and oladipo was very little to pay whereas the price for us to acquire Melo seemed steep at the time, as well as now. Of course now Oladip is an all star and MIP, it looks a lot worse…

    9. 2FOR18, understands math

      Not only that, LeBron has got to know that there is no permutation of the Lakers that can compete with the Warriors in the next couple of years. Even with Kawhi and Paul George, they are still not as good as the Dubs.

      Disagree with this. LeBron, with Love and garbage, were right in 2 of the games in the last Finals. And Houston gave GS problems until Paul got hurt.

      Assuming Ingram and Kuzma have to go to make this possible, I don’t see why LeBron, Kawhi, PG, Hart and Wagner, plus possible Bird re-signs of IT, KCP and/or B Lopez, plus a couple of useful ring chasers who might be willing to come on the cheap like Tyreke Evans, Ariza, Will Barton, Rondo, Wayne Ellington, Van Vleet, Illyasova, Montrez Harrell, Exum, Lance Stephenson, Jeff Green, Seth Curry, Jerami Grant, Gerald Green, Tolliver, Shane Larkin, Ty Lawson, Derick Williams, Beasley, and/or O’Quinn couldn’t give G State major problems.
      (Yes, that was a long sentence from Hell…)

    10. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      After Mills’ interview I wonder if Kanter is going to ask to be traded. There are no long term deals available to him in New York because we’re trying to land Kyrie Irving next summer, so if he opts in he has to know it would be his last season in New York. If he wants long term stability, maybe Milwaukee, Denver, OKC, Dallas, Washington, or the Clippers make more sense for him as soon as this summer. Kanter and Lee have a lot to offer a playoff team and we need to be selling them today.

    11. Frank

      I don’t see why LeBron, Kawhi, PG, Hart and Wagner, plus possible Bird re-signs of IT, KCP and/or B Lopez,

      In order to sign Lebron and PG they’ll have to renounce their rights to all those guys, so I don’t think that would be possible.

      Let’s say they manage to keep Hart — they’d prob have to trade Lonzo for a pick also, since I’m sure SA would not be interested in getting the #28-30 pick in the draft in a Kawhi trade.

      So they’d have holes at the 1 and 5, with PG/LBJ/Kawhi playing the 2-4. I guess they could forego having a traditional point and let PG or Kawhi guard point guards, then start Hart alongside those 3. They have 3 young centers on the roster in Mo Wagner, Thomas Bryant, and Ivica Zubac – not sure any of those are prime time enough. They could give the room exception to one of the 40 bigs on the market, which would be pretty good — in fact I wonder whether Noel would take that to rehabilitate his value and go back on the market next year. Then you’d have to fill out the rest of the roster with minimums.

      Still, a starting lineup of PG, Hart, LBJ, Kawhi, and Noel would be pretty freaking awesome. Two plus-plus defenders in PG/Kawhi, Hart is above average, Lebron is above average when he wants to be, and Noel, for all his reported character faults, probably is still an extremely good defender. That said, that would be an extremely shallow team.

    12. Grocer

      Does Kanter have anything to offer a playoff team? I’m not sure the league thinks so. If he doesn’t get some defense together I think his career is basically toast.

    13. danvt

      I would HATE to be negotiating with Greg Popovich right now. Not just right now, actually, but particularly right now. I mean, when was the last big trade involving the Spurs? Those guys generally just get players, either as FAs or through the draft. How much does Pop hate taking these calls? Pop loves Kawhi and probably is not in a good mood. Pop in a good mood is bad enough.

      Some things seem apparent.

      Pop has all the patience in the world (and then some from other planets.) He’s gonna blow up any timeline and throw a major monkey wrench into LBJ negotiations. LBJ is gonna have to make a decision not knowing how the SAS situation ends up. This is not like MIA 2010 where it was all worked out with a wink and a nod.

      Pop is gonna eat Magic’s dinner and then Rob Pelinka’s dinner. Actually, there’ll be no dinner. Pop is completely uninterested in dinner. He wants Kawhi healthy and on SAS. If he can’t have that he’s gonna rain hell fire.

      The combination of a cold calculating and PARTICULARLY ANGRY POP plus an obviously desperate Magic, who’s thrown down the gauntlet and said he’ll quit next summer if he can’t get marquee players, is a perfect storm.

      In the end, if the pry Kawhi away, it will be for a huge haul (and it may also mean that Kawhi will never again be the player he was.)

      With NYK making no news this entertains me.

    14. 2FOR18, understands math

      @14. OK. But how about they keep the 3 cheap centers, and use the room exception on Seth Curry, and sign, say, Jeff Green, Tolliver, and Lawson to minimums?

      Now you have Seth, Kawhi, LeBron, PG and Center X starting, with Lawson, Hart, Green, Tolliver and Center Y and Z off the bench?

      Or maybe LeBron is willing to take less money to build his brand in LA and then all bets are off.

    15. Frank

      *shudder* at this line from Zach Lowe’s article today about possible Westbrook trades:

      That said, it’s possible Presti never finds an offer rich enough to move Westbrook. Even deals that look good — say, a completely theoretical Knicks offer of Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox and two unprotected first-round picks — could morph into pu-pu-platter of blah within two or three seasons. Westbrook guarantees competitiveness and fun.

      I’ve said this so many times and never followed through, but I really think I might be done with the Knicks if that trade was made. I love Westbrook but that contract is an eventual disaster, and then to trade two lottery picks + 2 more future unprotected picks… say what?!?

    16. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      Assuming Kanter opts in, I believe the Knicks will have 8.5 million mid level exception. I was under the impression from his Twitter comments that O’Quinn wanted to come back and was willing to give us a small discount. Now now that we’ve drafted Robinson I’m less sure the Knicks will want him back. We could wind up with the same glut problem at C we had last year. So I guess depending on what they think of Robinson at this stage and if they intend to give Noah a shot as the backup they may or may not use some or all of that 8.5 million on O’Quinn for 1 year.

    17. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      Westbrook is an incredible athlete and talent, but I don’t want within less than 1450 miles of MSG.

    18. kevin5318

      @ShamsCharania
      New York Knicks center Enes Kanter plans to exercise his $18.6M player option today to return to the team next season, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

    19. Grocer

      This is why the Knicks have to publicly state they’re not signing anyone this summer. ” completely theoretical” musings in random articles freak us out.

    20. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      The Thunder got hosed in the Oladipo/Sabonis deal, but they didn’t give up any future picks for George. So it’s merely bad. No one in the Carmelo trade was quite as good as Oladipo has become, but the loss of depth and future picks was crippling.

      Either way, stunning incompetence by the Thunder, further compounded by Westbrook’s soon-to-be-terrible contract and Carmelo being Carmelo. Honestly, any team interested in giving a roster slot to Carmelo, much less Mega Max Carmelo, doesn’t know a thing about player value.

      We knew that when Presti let Harden walk (well, some of us knew), but Carmelo is, at best, a 12th man. I don’t think he has a place in the league anymore. You can’t be a “knockdown shooter” at .476 eFG% when the league’s worst offense bests you by a standard deviation. That makes you a game-loser.

      Where’s ruruland to tell me I’m wrong?

    21. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      The Melo trade was WAY worse than the trade for Paul George.

      If you are going to keep Westbrook, you have to try to win now. Even though Olidipo was still young enough to make a huge move forward, there was no real indication it was highly likely. Sabonis was very young, but his rookie season was nothing special either. They were getting a proven all star caliber 2 way player that fit well with Westbrook. It looks like a terrible move now (especially if George leaves), but at the time is wasn’t unreasonable. No one knew those 2 were going to both jump up significantly.

      The Melo trade was insane. I understand the general thinking. They needed another piece to make a serious run while Westbrook/George were still young enough. The problem was they traded for an overrated scorer on the decline that didn’t fit perfectly to begin with. They gave up 2 pieces and a pick that would have helped with depth. Maybe Presti felt he had a 0% chance of getting that 3rd player any other way, but that was a terrible move.

      The best move probably would have been to trade Westbrook and start all over with Adams and the other younger players, but this is where theory runs into business reality. The fans in OKC love Westbrook. He puts them into the seats. If he was traded that city would not have been happy.

    22. d-mar

      *shudder* at this line from Zach Lowe’s article today about possible Westbrook trades:

      That said, it’s possible Presti never finds an offer rich enough to move Westbrook. Even deals that look good — say, a completely theoretical Knicks offer of Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox and two unprotected first-round picks — could morph into pu-pu-platter of blah within two or three seasons. Westbrook guarantees competitiveness and fun.

      Why not throw Porzingis in there while we’re at it?

    23. lavor postell

      The George trade was good. If they hadn’t traded for Melo, PG+Russ with a supporting cast of Roberson, Adams, Kanter, McDermott, Grant, PatPat, etc. isn’t close to Warriors/Rockets level good, but they’d comfortably be in with a shout for best of the rest with more depth and trade flexibility than they possess currently. I also suspect they’d have had a much better chance of winning a playoff series and getting PG to lock in long term.

      Either way they’re well and truly fucked now. Their best bet is to just buyout and stretch Melo.

    24. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Hi guys.

      Can we please not excoriate the Knicks’ front office for a theoretical trade brought up by a journalist with no ties to the Knicks? Thanks.

      Luv,
      A Knicks Fan

    25. Bruno Almeida

      @32

      That’s the best idea I’ve seen so far to secure the tank 100%, but I don’t think even genius Presti is dumb enough to do it.

      Kanter denied Shams’s report that he has decided to opt-in, saying he still hasn’t decided. God just say you’re opting in already, we all know there’s no way you’ll leave this much money on he table.

    26. GHenman

      Kanter or Tim plus Lee for Melo and a first is a great trade for both teams. Then we just waive Melo and we’re ready for 2019.

    27. mase

      Yea right!

      How much better would Okc be with two shooter like Lee and Timmy instead of one black hole to play along their superstar!

      We can sell Timmy as oldipo lite who doesnt need the ball in his hands as much.

      Perry Mills need to get on this

    28. mase

      I’m starting to convince myself that both Timmy and Lee would be the type of player Westbrook actually needs.

    29. swiftandabundant

      THIS IS WHAT I’M SAYING.

      If Perry was able to convince OKC to trade Melo BACK to us to get Kanter and another player (Lee, I wanna keep Hardaway)…it would be a baller move. Then waive Melo and he can go annoy Dantoni again.

    30. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      I’m not sure a single 1st is enough.

      Maybe I’m wrong, but I think Hardaway is still worth a mid to late 1st rounder on his own despite the small overpay. If we assume I’m right just for discussion’s sake, that means we are swapping Lee for Melo. Melo comes off faster, but I still think we can get an expiring plus a 2nd rounder or two for Lee. That doesn’t count the money they’d have to give Melo to just walk.

    31. swiftandabundant

      I mean Kanter and Lee would help OKC a lot. Maybe we can give them Lance too? :)

      Get some inside scoring and rebounding, some shooting on the wings, a defensive minded forward who’s a great locker room guy…what’s not to like?

    32. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      If we wanna trade TH2, Cleveland has that beautiful George Hill contract that isn’t guaranteed for the 3rd year. I would trade TH2 there, and then send Lee and Kanter to Dallas for Wes Matthews. That would clear an extra $30M off the books and secure the tank.

    33. 2FOR18, understands math

      @32 – mase that’s a fantastic idea! I hope Perry reads this blog.
      I’d do that for a 2nd if they balk at the 1st.

    34. 2FOR18, understands math

      Strat, just admit already that you do not want to trade Lee and his veteran leadership!!!!

    35. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      I hate to be the bearer of bad news again, but the Knicks are not trying to tank next year. They are wisely not going to tie up money long term just to move forward a little faster this year when they want to try to add someone like Kyrie next year and take a bigger step. Mills even opened the door to KP returning in November. Even if that’s wildly too optimistic, they are going to be handing out playing time based on merit and trying to win, especially when KP comes back It’s just that it’s likely Frank will break through and get a lot more minute this year and since we don’t have a real SF Knox has the upper hand to earn that spot despite being very young. So with KP out and a very young team we are going to lose a lot games for awhile, but I’d estimate the chances they are TRYING to get worse at less than 5%.

    36. ptmilo

      Maybe I’m wrong, but I think Hardaway is still worth a mid to late 1st rounder on his own despite the small overpay.

      no shot. they couldn’t give that contract away. Notice how Dallas can’t get anyone to take Wes Matthews? Watch what guys like will KCP and Barton get paid this summer.

    37. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      Strat, just admit already that you do not want to trade Lee and his veteran leadership!!!!

      lol!

      I have no problem with the idea of trading Lee. I have a problem with giving him away for an expiring dreg just so we are worse. I’m not smart enough to know exactly what the market is now. He was productive last year, looks like he still has a bit in the tank, and the contract is 1 year shorter. I think he’s worth more than a dreg.

    38. ClashFan

      I still hope the Knicks are not planning to go after Kyrie or any other expensive guy in 2019. Unless Frank and Knox both show significant improvement, KP comes back for at least part of the season and all looks good, and the team secures an early lottery pick.

      Maybe if all that were to fall in place. Wait till 2020 at the earliest. Keep building a young core. Maybe rent the cap space for a pick or two. Way too many question marks right now.

    39. Bruno Almeida

      Do you mean we are giving up a mid to late first for someone to take Hardaway? Because that I can see.

    40. lavor postell

      I have no problem with the idea of trading Lee. I have a problem with giving him away for an expiring dreg just so we are worse. I’m not smart enough to know exactly what the market is now. He was productive last year, looks like he still has a bit in the tank, and the contract is 1 year shorter. I think he’s worth more than a dreg.

      I’m not even convinced we’d be worse depending on who eats up those minutes. Lee’s fine, but he’d be alot more useful for a good team as a bench wing rather than whatever he is for the Knicks. If we can get his contract off our books for an expiring salary I’d do it in an instance.

    41. 2FOR18, understands math

      Listen the Knicks are paying $82 million to Kanter, Noah, Timmy, Lee, Lance, Baker and Mudiay!

      If they’re not trying to tank this year then we might as well all just give up until Dolan meets up with a woodchipper.

    42. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      no shot. they couldn’t give that contract away. Notice how Dallas can’t get anyone to take Wes Matthews? Watch what guys like will KCP and Barton get paid this summer.

      I hear what you saying. I have a really tough time valuing picks. My thinking is clearly not conventional. That means there’s a pretty good chance it’s wrong, (lol) but I’m sticking with it.

      Wes Mathews is 31, declining, and making a little bit more per year (albeit for fewer years). I don’t like it.

      IMO, the chances of getting a player of Hardawy’s caliber in the 2nd round is pretty poor. I’m probably going to find that kind of talent in the middle 1st round or thereabouts. But given that everyone is taking 18-19 years old these days, even if I find one he’s probably not going to be that good for a few years. Then I’m going to have to pay him anyway. So really, I’d surely downgrade Hardaway because of the overpay, but I wouldn’t be paying anyone to take him or valuing him like trash either. He had a bit of down year last year due to injuries and a rough time from the 3 point line, but it’s far from impossible that he gets better at his age.

      If other teams value these things differently, I get that. Then I personally wouldn’t trade with them. I have no problem with Hardaway long term other than we are paying him a few million too much.

    43. kevin5318

      What could explain this spike? Probably the announcement, late Wednesday, that James Dolan, chairman and CEO of MSG, is considering spinning the Knicks and the Rangers off into a separate company, which would smooth the path for an eventual sale of both teams, per a Crain’s report. This suggests that there may be a day, perhaps even in the not-so-distant future, when those teams are no longer owned by James Dolan.

      https://deadspin.com/james-dolan-lays-groundwork-for-sale-of-knicks-and-rang-1827236645

    44. 2FOR18, understands math

      Hmm, Obama is getting 100k for a pic with him, and he hasn’t had to pay for anything for about 15 years, so maybe he can put together an alliance and buy the Knicks. Players would be killing themselves to come here and play for him.

    45. ptmilo

      Before anyone gets too excited about the MSG spin, it’s not obvious at all that this is a precursor to a sale of the team. Lots of investors want to see a spin on the hopes that an independently traded SportsCo will better reflect the crazy trophy value of the Knicks. Because of presumed super voting shares in spinco, Dolan could even monetize some of that valuation by selling shares without giving up control. Remember, the last time Dolan spun out MSG from CVC it was Cablevision that was sold.

    46. Grocer

      MSG only has five years on it’s lease then it’s shutting down for the Penn station rebuild. I could see Dolan not wanting to build another arena for the Knicks and Rangers.

    47. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      What I read is that stock analysts are pushing for the split into two companies, but Dolan plans to do it in a way where he is in charge of both. Honestly, I’m not upset with him as an owner for the last few years. He has been pretty hands off, but fired Phil when he had to. Now he hired new management that seems like normal management, and us still hands off. I know everyone wants a Danny Ainge, but normal management is pretty good. Compare this to Sacramento or Detroit or Charlotte. It could be much worse.

    48. swiftandabundant

      @ 42 – yeah I was wondering about that. Does he still have a NTC even after he’s been traded and picked up the player option year? But I don’t think it would be that hard of a sell for Melo. If we did a deal with OKC, we would immediately buy him out…which is what we would have done anyways if we’d kept him but the trades in and out got us some assets out of him. Plus he gets paid, which we all know is most important to melo, but then he could sign with Houston or The Lakers for cheap and play with his olympic buddies before they all retire. It might be seen as kind of a diss on Melo to cut him but I think it could be spun positively (the Knicks loved Melo when he was here but it didn’t work out and we felt bad about how it all ended with Phil. So we want to buy him out so he can play where he wants and still get the full amount of his contract that he signed with us.)

    49. Bruno Almeida

      @52

      Yeah, but it’s the contract that matters. I would be very happy with Hardaway if he was making 6 million a month like a rookie scale contract is, then he is surely worth a mid to late first rounder. I would rather gamble on a 19 year old being eventually better than him while being under control of my franchise for 4 years than knowing Hardaway is what I get for 18 million for 4 years. Even if I knew the best player I could get at the 18th pick is Hardaway I would still rather have the rookie than him as he would have more value as a flexible asset to move eventually.

    50. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      There is no way that Daryl Morey is going to sign, trade for, or do anything with Melo. No chance whatsoever. I’d be amazed if there were any credible rumors, much less the actuality of the thing.

      If I’m wrong, I don’t know anything about basketball. Bookmark it.

    51. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      MSG only has five years on it’s lease then it’s shutting down for the Penn station rebuild. I could see Dolan not wanting to build another arena for the Knicks and Rangers.

      I never understood this.

      Why did they spend a fortune to redo MSG if this was coming up?

    52. GoNyGoNyGo

      Kanter just tweeted a picture of him behind a podium that says, in the front, “Make Knicks Great Again”. Does that seal it?

      Lee and Thomas are trade bait. I want picks.

    53. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      @61

      Let’s assume you ARE going to get a player as good as Hardaway in the draft with some 1st round pick. I’m saying that by the time that 19 year old kid is as productive as Hardaway (assuming he eventually is) you will be getting ready to pay him more anyway. In the mean time you’ll be getting less productivity for several years while you wait. It would be different if you could assume you were going to draft some kid and he’d be just as productive immediately.

      Hardaway was drafted 14th. True or not, let’s just assume that he’s typical of the 14th pick.

      Since we both agree that he’s overpaid, he clearly wouldn’t be worth the 14th pick. But if you ask me, he’s not so overpaid that I’d take a 2nd rounder for him that could easily bust out and not so overpaid I’m dying to rid myself of the contract. It’s unattractive, but not a disaster.

      Like I said, I doubt this is the way teams think about it. I have a really tough time understanding how to value picks. It’s the way I think about it and it could easily be wrong.

      What I am suggesting is that perhaps the league is overvaluing picks right now. The results are more volatile when people are drafting 18-19 year olds and you don’t get them cheaply while they rare productive anymore. You get the cheaply while they are learning.

    54. Z-man

      There is no way that Daryl Morey is going to sign, trade for, or do anything with Melo. No chance whatsoever. I’d be amazed if there were any credible rumors, much less the actuality of the thing.

      If I’m wrong, I don’t know anything about basketball. Bookmark it.

      You’re likely correct, but let’s not forget that Morey courted Melo with a max deal at the same time Phil wound up trumping him with a near mega-max w/ a NTC and trade kicker. Remember when he made the huge banner of Melo with Jeremy Lin’s number 7 while Lin was still on the team? So there definitely is some dysfunctional tissue in that big brain of his.

      PS you still know nothing about basketball.

    55. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      You’re likely correct, but let’s not forget that Morey courted Melo with a max deal at the same time Phil wound up trumping him with a near mega-max w/ a NTC and trade kicker.

      That was four years ago, and Melo was coming off what was almost certainly his best-ever season (albeit on a terrible team). Morey would have been wrong to sign him then, but he’s become one of the worst regular players in the league, not even considering salary. But when you do…

      I mean, there were only five players with less than a -1.0 VORP in the league: Isaiah Taylor, Josh Jackson, De’Aaron Fox, Tyler Ulis and Carmelo.

      $305k
      $5.1M
      $4.6M
      $918k

      and $26.2M

      P.S. The Knicks would be a playoff team if they had drafted the players I’ve historically liked and didn’t sign the overrated players I didn’t like. So I guess I know nothing about basketball, yet still more than the last decade of Knicks management, including a guy with 13 rings.

    56. Mike Honcho

      yet still more than the last decade of Knicks management

      I think anything with a pulse clears that very low bar

    57. Grocer

      Why did they spend a fortune to redo MSG if this was coming up?

      Either they didn’t do their homework/didn’t believe the council or it’ll have paid for itself by the time the lease is up. Probably just assumed they’d be able to buy enough votes or generate enough protest.

    58. hoolahoop

      Unless something has changed, MSG isn’t going anywhere. They spent $500 million to renovate it with the intention of holding on to the property.
      The Penn Station rebuild is going to be where the old main Post Office is, a block to the west (the tracks run in that direction).

      . . . not to mention a decade of legal wrangling before a solid plan takes hold.

    59. TheOakmanCometh

      I would trade consecutive unprotected picks for a new owner. Please let this unfounded rumor be true!

    60. Grocer

      Unless something has changed, MSG isn’t going anywhere.

      Unless something has changed, the lease is up in 2023 – after the renovation the council refused to renew for more than 10 years and is still planning on ending the lease then.

    61. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      As bad as Melo was last year, I don’t think he’s quite as bad as he looked last year (at least “yet”). It makes no sense to have Melo standing behind the 3 point line trying to create space for Westbrook and George when he was never a very good 3 point shoot to begin with and you could get a much better shooter/defender for a lot less.

      Melo is a scorer.

      Ideally, you give him the ball late in the clock and let him create something that won’t be so great, but it will be better than what most NBA players could create given that little time on the clock. The problem is that Westbrook and George are both capable of that also. So there was no point.

    62. 2FOR18, understands math

      OKC started playing well once they decided (and melo accepted) to stick melo in the corner and get out of everyone’s way. Him doing his melo thing was killing them the first few weeks.

      The whole melo acquisition made no sense. It’s exhibit # 7,656,258 of why any appeal to authority re: NBA front offices is poppycock and balderdash.

    63. Frank

      I still hope the Knicks are not planning to go after Kyrie or any other expensive guy in 2019. Unless Frank and Knox both show significant improvement, KP comes back for at least part of the season and all looks good, and the team secures an early lottery pick.

      I think Mills just came out and said they were going to do exactly that.

      Honestly, assuming we don’t have to give up assets to get rid of Courtney Lee (I think we could prob just send him out for expirings at worst?) and Kyrie is actually healthy, then I think it’d be ok. Kyrie, Frank, Timmy, Knox, KP, 2019 lottery pick, MitchRob, Dotson, etc. is not that bad. We still have all our 1st rounders, and even more cap room in 2020 once Noah and Lance’s small guarantee come off the books. If it were up to me I would take a step back in 18-19 and 19-20, collect assets, draft top of the lottery for those years, then make the big splash in summer of 2020 when we presumably would have room for 2 maxes. But I doubt Mills/Perry have that much patience.

    64. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      OKC started playing well once they decided (and melo accepted) to stick melo in the corner and get out of everyone’s way.

      lmao.

      I feel pretty sure that on another team he could still score 20 per 36 at his typical 53% TS%. But who would want that? At the price it’s a nightmare when he’s weak on the other end.

    65. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      @75

      Assuming the Knicks got a healthy Kyrie and KP is 100% and still on the upswing, the Knicks would be 1 all star caliber player away from making noise. They might not be a championship contender, but they would be good, young, and improving. Then the idea would be to hope that either Knox or Frank breaks out into stardom or they’d have to look to put together a package of assets to get that 3rd star. You could see this developing before last season. I don’t think it’s a bad plan. It’s a matter of landing the 2nd big fish. But hey have to be sure Kyrie is healthy because KP is already a risk.

    66. Bruno Almeida

      If Melo contributed anything other than scoring and IF he could keep a 53 ts% without creating too much trouble he would probably be worth a 8-10 million contract at this point. Everything else is solely based on reputation and star power and his has taken a huge hit this past season.

    67. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      If Kyrie is the 2019 free agent of choice, then we absolutely need to tank and grab RJ Barrett. A healthy Kyrie/KP tandem with Frank, RJ, and Kevin Knox on the wings would kick Brad Stevens’ Celtics in the dick.

      For real though, Frank Ntilikina and RJ Barrett on defense would be hell on wings.

    68. thenoblefacehumper

      Tim Hardaway Jr. makes nearly $18m AAV and has never once posted a positive BPM at age 25. We aren’t getting anything of even remote value for him. The best case scenario is that a playoff team strikes out on some other guys and is willing to take him without us giving up sweetener.

      I’m fairly certain that all applies to Lee as well, but maybe his smaller AAV figure and one less year means we could get a second rounder or something.

      We’ve got some serious dead weight on the books.

    69. english_knick

      @75… in 2020 we’ll have KP and THj combining to make about 45% of the cap, plus frank, Knox and the next two first rounders, and if they turn it to be something, Dotson and Robinson too. No way we’ll have two max slots… a max for. 7year player is 30% of the cap so just KP and THj takes us out of that!

    70. Z-man

      That was four years ago, and Melo was coming off what was almost certainly his best-ever season (albeit on a terrible team). Morey would have been wrong to sign him then, but he’s become one of the worst regular players in the league, not even considering salary.

      Either he was catastrophically dumb for even courting Melo, or Phil was not all that dumb to outbid him (I’ll take door #1). It’s not like Melo had some catastrophic injury to suck as bad as he does now. According to one of the guys on NBA radio (I forget which one) he is the worst volume shooter in the league (15 or more attempts a game) and the worst defender in the league (not just at his position.) It was dumb luck that Morey didn’t get tied up with that money. He’s also the guy who poison-pilled for Jeremy Lin.

      The Knicks would be a playoff team if they had drafted the players I’ve historically liked…

      You mean, like drafting the great Willy Cauley-Stein over Kristaps Porzingis (hot garbage was how you described KP if I recall) or taking the washed up at age 28 but future HOFer Kenneth Faried over Iman Shumpert?

      …and didn’t sign the overrated players I didn’t like…

      I’ll give you that one…although watching your all-time fave Tyson Chandler get unspeakably debased by Kareem Abdul-Hibbert was not much fun.

    71. 2FOR18, understands math

      Every time I recall those posts from the pro Timmy signing people I get ornery as fuck.

    72. JK47

      Yeah, THJ on a 3/54 deal is a negative asset. We’re stuck with that mistake until 2021.

      He’s in the pantheon of Knicks contracts in which the moment it was announced, I was like “oh fuck, when does this horrible thing expire?”

    73. TheOakmanCometh

      Our 5 highest-paid players are Kanter ($19m), Noah ($19m), THJ ($17m), Lee ($12m), and Lance ($7m). That’s $74m. If they were on the open market in an average offseason, I estimate their AAVs at: Kanter ($7m), Noah ($2m — 10-year vet minimum), THJ ($12m), Lee ($10m), Lance ($1m — 7-year vet min). That’s a total of $32m. So we’re overpaying those guys by $42m combined.

      If you throw in Baker, we’re overpaying by $45m combined. So 45% of our cap is dead money.

    74. JK47

      If you throw in Baker, we’re overpaying by $45m combined. So 45% of our cap is dead money.

      The 2018-2019 Knicks have got to be one of the most talent-strapped teams in the league. The rotation figures to look like this:

      PG Trey Burke, Frank Ntilikina, Emmanuel Mudiay
      SG Courtney Lee, Damyean Dotson
      SF Tim Hardaway Jr, Lance Thomas, Troy Williams
      PF Kevin Knox, ???
      C Enes Kanter, Joakim Noah

      That is a bottom 5 defense, bottom 5 offense type team.

    75. Z-man

      Don’t forget Baker, Robinson and Trier. I also think (sadly) that Beasley might be back and Kornet and Hicks might get some minutes. Maybe Justin Harper is a reclamation project (I recall liking him way back when as a 2nd round flier…)

    76. thenoblefacehumper

      The 2018-2019 Knicks have got to be one of the most talent-strapped teams in the league. The rotation figures to look like this:

      Sure is depressing when you spell it out. Hopefully Robinson and Trier get signifiant minutes at some point, otherwise we’re probably a hard 30th in the League Pass rankings.

    77. Early Bird

      The 2018-2019 Knicks have got to be one of the most talent-strapped teams in the league. The rotation figures to look like this:

      PG Trey Burke, Frank Ntilikina, Emmanuel Mudiay
      SG Courtney Lee, Damyean Dotson
      SF Tim Hardaway Jr, Lance Thomas, Troy Williams
      PF Kevin Knox, ???
      C Enes Kanter, Joakim Noah

      That is a bottom 5 defense, bottom 5 offense type team.

      Forgot Mitchell Robinson, likely at 4/5. Beasley will return if no one else takes his spot. Finally, Mudiay is most likely the starter because “lottery pick”.

    78. Brian Cronin

      Kornet and Hicks might get some minutes.

      I’m pretty sure that at least one of those two guys won’t be Knicks this year (due to the Robinson and Trier contracts). There’s only a certain amount of roster spots available.

    79. Bruno Almeida

      @91

      If Mudiay starts day 1 it will be a pretty big reason for me to doubt Fizdale already.

    80. Brian Cronin

      Oh yeah, that’d definitely be smart. But it says that he’ll be back by training camp, so I doubt he’s really a buy low candidate just yet.

    81. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      See, I realize you’re trolling, Z-man, because that’s the only defense you have to your legacy of abject stupidity on this site. You’ve been wrong so many times, and to such a degree, that I would need a whole list of bookmarks to keep track of you. It’s safe to say that this franchise would be just as fucked if you were at the helm, because you know nothing about what makes an NBA player good. Like, nothing.

      You mean, like drafting the great Willy Cauley-Stein over Kristaps Porzingis (hot garbage was how you described KP if I recall) or taking the washed up at age 28 but future HOFer Kenneth Faried over Iman Shumpert?

      http://bkref.com/tiny/nlzRM

      http://bkref.com/tiny/JUtL6

      And you still want to rag on Morey for the Lin contract? I can’t believe you’re serious with this shit — again, you must be trolling. He signs Lin and Asik to three-year, $8M AAV contracts and wins 99 games in two seasons, and despite the “underperformance” of those two, he still has the flexibility to parlay his assets into 56-, 41-, 55- and then 65-win seasons.

      You’re still hung up on the Lin contract? That’s a grasp at straws if I’ve ever seen one. Hilariously stupid, but nothing new from you.

      Never forget what you said about the Bargnani trade. I sure wont, as long as you’re here to try to get a rise out of me:

      I don’t get the bashing of this trade. The draft picks? The 2 ultra-late second rounders are no more likely to be productive than an undrafted free agent. The 2016 late first rounder? Possibly a keeper, but more likely not productive until 2018. And just as likely not productive at all.

      Again, you have no ground to ever criticize the prognostications of others.

    82. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      We replaced Steve Novak (the quintessential 1-trick pony who couldn’t dunk on a Fisher-Price hoop) with a guy who can also hit the open 3 but can actually drive and dunk when it’s there, and whose contract expires earlier, giving us 4 HUGE expirings for next year.

      You couldn’t make this shit up.

      This is not a deal to compare to the Curry, or Steph, or H2o max, or Ewing dump, or Stevie Franchise, or Jerome James. Given what is out there, this was a no harm, no foul kind of deal at worst. It’s definitely not a game-changer on the downside, and probably not on the upside either, although there is at least an outside possibility for the latter.

      Oh, it was a game-changer, alright.

      This guy has a lot of talent, WAY more than Novak. There is really no disputing that. For a hopelessly capped-out team, it’s a reasonable short-term move.

      No disputing that!

    83. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Let me put it this way. If you had an undiagnosed, grapefruit-sized, cancerous tumor on your face, and you went in for a physical, and your doctor spends 20 minutes staring at your face but didn’t note the tumor, what would you assume about the doctor?

      [cue 500-word screed about how my analogy doesn’t work because of upside, or spacing, or gravity, or talent, or whatever]

    84. Bruno Almeida

      I will forever cherish the fact that trading for Bargnani gave us that one video with him failing miserably to dunk to the sound of “I believe I can fly”.

      Although in true Knick fashion it won’t be the best since the Dion Waiters one to My Heart will go on exists.

    85. Ntilakilla

      OMG I had to check out that Bargiani “I Believe I Can Fly” video on Youtube. I can’t believe I missed out on that. There was a void in my soul which I didn’t know was even there and it just filled up upon seeing it.

    86. latke

      Listen the Knicks are paying $82 million to Kanter, Noah, Timmy, Lee, Lance, Baker and Mudiay!

      If they’re not trying to tank this year then we might as well all just give up until Dolan meets up with a woodchipper.

      Problem is a lot of tanking comes down to how you fill out your roster and how you manage your better players’ minutes. Philly during their tank years was not the worst team in the NBA in terms of their best 3 or 4 players. It was the guys after that who were by and large horrid. Like go look at the 6ers’ roster from 15/16 when they won 10 games. Jerami Grant, Nerlens Noel and Robert Covington are fine NBA players. But guess who led the team in minutes played? Hollis Thompson… Not even in the NBA anymore. There were no Lance Thomases or Michael Beasleys on that team… the minutes that we gave these passable filler role player types Philly gave to guys who didn’t belong in the NBA.

      They could easily have signed players like this. They could even have played Carl Landry 1500 minutes instead of 500, and that alone probably would have gotten them up near 15 wins. Repeat that with three more roster/rotation spots, and you’ve turned a 10 win team into like a 22 win team.

      Then there’s teams like the Bulls who simply cut their competent players out of the rotation last year or the Suns who traded their competent players like Eric Bledsoe (and then waived Monroe) and also had Tyson Chandler miss a lot more games than he had to.

      These are the factors that separate teams picking in the middle of the lotto from teams picking at the top. We keep players like Kyle O’Quinn and Courtney Lee and cut young players like Hernangomez, Frank and Dotson outo f the rotation so we can give more minutes to vets like Kanter, Lance Thomas and Jarrett Jack. If the Knicks did half what teams like the Suns and Bulls did last season to focus on their future and not add pointless wins, we probably would have finished at the top of the…

    87. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

      The Knicks are NOT tanking next year. That much is certain. They are going to do everything they can to win games next year except sign someone to a long term contract this year because they are targeting a max player next year. The young players will get a lot of minutes and lose a lot of games, but the minutes will be based on merit and as soon as KP is healthy and ready to go he’s going to play. They already told us that much.

      The eventual starting lineup will:

      Kanter – C
      Frank – PG
      Knox – SF
      Hardaway – SG
      Porzingis – PF

      The major question is who the starting PF will be until Porzingis is healthy (perhaps a 1 year veteran free agent).

      The other question is whether Frank is actually going win the starting PG job from Burke.

    88. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      The Knicks are absolutely going to tank this year. When KP went down we were the 2nd worst team in the league and that’s likely to be the same considering we have no intention to sign any long term deals and basically play all the young guys.

    89. Ben R

      The Knicks have been consistently dumb to sign mediocre veterans and play them over trying to find young talent in the D-League or in the 2nd round or in small trades. With that said benching productive players just to lose games is cheating. What the Bulls did down the stretch last year was disgusting. I want no part of that.

    90. JK47

      Whether accidentally or on purpose, this team is going to tank. The best possible lineup they can put on the floor until Porzingis comes back is probably this:

      PG Burke
      SG Hardaway
      SF Lee (or flip-flop Hardaway and Lee)
      PF uhhh, Knox?
      C Kanter

      That is an ABYSMAL defensive team. Like 30 out of 30 abysmal. Offensively I guess you have Kanter getting you some easy buckets, but Burke is a serious contender for a major regression, Hardaway is a mediocre efficiency player, Lee is a low-volume offensive player and Knox is probably going to be a sub-.500 TS% player as a rookie. And that is probably the most “winning” lineup the Knicks can put on the floor. Take Burke out of that and insert Frank, and you have better defense but… you have Frank as part of your offense. He could improve a ton and still be a horrible offensive player. This is a guy with a .437 TS%, .414 eFG%.

    91. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Trey Burke, Tim Hardaway Jr, Kevin Knox, and Enes Kanter will score points and pretend to play defense but ultimately there will be more blame than communication on defense and it will end up being the worst defense in the NBA.

      This season is about maybe 4 things:

      1) Developing Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, and to a lesser extent Mitchell Robinson.
      2) Keeping KP healthy.
      3) Landing RJ Barrett in the draft (this would literally make the entire Dolan era worth it).
      4) Securing Kyrie Irving in free agency.

      There is no reason for this team to compete other than making Fizdale look smart. The Knicks aren’t going to quit and if Knox or Ntilikina has 31 points in a close game we’re not going to sit the hot hand, but we are not trying to be competitive this season. If we actually hit on all four of those objectives, we’re a candidate to double or triple our win total in 2019-2020. I’ve been sold a dream of Irving, Ntilikina, Barrett, Knox, and Porzingis and I don’t want a refund. The Knicks need to make this happen the right way.

    92. Grocer

      Kanter opted in.

      I’m actually kinda psyched for Mitchell Robinson. If his mental shit is something he can sort out guy could be a monster. Looking forward to summer league.

    93. Brian Cronin

      It’s after Midnight on Friday. So did Kanter opt in or not?

      After telling Shams he hadn’t made up his mind, he then admitted that, yes, obviously he opted in (he didn’t say “obviously,” of course).

    94. Grocer

      I figure the thing with Robinson is he doesn’t love basketball. He only started playing cause he ended up tall. So at best, for him it’s a path to make cash. That doesn’t necessarily preclude him being good, the guy might work for his money. If they can crack that space, get the man to invest the way he needs to to have a career he could be a great find.

    95. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      Thanks for the news. We’re going too be terrible before KP gets back, but that is ok.

    96. Ntilakilla

      Three things here:1) It's his left knee, same as the previous issues.2) Shams describes it as a minor injury.3) The Lakers diagnosed this at the end of the season, so this isn't new to them, which makes the timing of this news…interesting. https://t.co/KnQhGz5OBz— Laker Film Room (@LakerFilmRoom) June 29, 2018

    97. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, that is such a Lavar move to keep him from being included in any trades. “Oh, hey, you know that minor issue that everyone knew about that we were keeping quiet about? Yeah, let’s leak that so no one will trade for you.” Wow.

    98. Brian Cronin

      I’m surprised Jordan actually opted out (I thought he was looking for a sign and trade). I guess he figures that even if he doesn’t make $24 million a year, he’ll make up for it in the overall contract length and he might not get the same offer next year.

      Dallas is at least an interesting team – Doncic, Matthews, Barnes, Dirk and Jordan? Not a good team, per se, but interesting.

    99. english_knick

      Giving Jordan a multi-year, $20m+AAV deal aged 30 in the modern pace and space NBA. Positively Knicksy…

    100. Brian Cronin

      Agreed. It would be a bad idea for a team that was looking to compete now, for a team that is going to need a couple of years like the Mavericks, it is a pure Knicksy-type move.

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