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Tuesday, August 14, 2018

Knicks Morning News (2018.05.14)

  • [NYPost] Examining Big East’s ‘best player,’ who may be destined for Knicks
    (Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:28:21 PM)

    During the Big East Tournament in March, eventual tourney and ultimate national champion Villanova used the Knicks’ locker room at Madison Square Garden. The situation was not lost on Villanova forward Mikal Bridges, who even then was seen by some as a possible Knicks draft pick. “I love it here. We play here twice in…

  • [NYTimes] Celtics Stifle LeBron James and Pummel the Cavaliers in Game 1
    (Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:44:54 PM)

    The Celtics took the floor to a video that began with the broadcast of Gordon Hayward’s injury. “Their season’s over,” Charles Barkley said at the time.

  • [NYTimes] N.B.A. Western Conference Finals Preview: Rockets vs. Warriors
    (Sunday, May 13, 2018 10:14:40 PM)

    James Harden and Chris Paul led Houston to the No. 1 seeding in the West, but can Stephen Curry help Golden State rise again after the team’s injury-filled season?

  • [NYTimes] Jerry West Just Wants to Feel Wanted
    (Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:00:41 PM)

    For his last act, can the N.B.A. legend have a hand in fixing the Clippers once and for all?

  • [NYTimes] Eastern Conference Finals Preview: N.B.A. Eastern Conference Finals Preview: Celtics vs. Cavaliers
    (Sunday, May 13, 2018 10:16:14 PM)

    Cleveland’s LeBron James has been to seven consecutive N.B.A. finals. Can Boston end his run and continue to thrive without two of its biggest stars?

  • 80 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2018.05.14)

    1. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats

      You know what? If Mikal Bridges’ floor is Bruce Bowen, then he’s likely a steal at 9. He can’t play small ball 4 like Miles or Porter..or even Knox- but defense isn’t something you simply preach and have your team become good at it. Mikal’s arrival would mean a few things:
      1. Length and switch ability on the perimeter.
      2. Ntilikina will be playing PG (his best position)
      3. THJ will be playing SG (his best position)
      4. We will have a young defensive foundation to build on in KP, Bridges, Ntilikina, and Williams- with vets like Lance, KOQ (hopefully), Noah & Lee (maybe) to reinforce that.

      Hell, I’d even say if we land at 9 and a guy like Porter is there along with both Bridges, I’m almost sure I’d pick one of the Bridges before I swing for the fences on Porter. We can always go offense in 2019. It’s imperative that Fiz builds that defensive culture first, so the team has something to rely upon when shots aren’t falling. It’s not like the team is going places this season, so why get offense in questionable guards or a big wing with a back injury?

    2. Farfa

      Troy Williams is not a good defender, he’s just super active and athletic, but he’s subpar. Ron Baker, though…

    3. ess-dog

      Honestly, I think the Cavs will take Mikal at 8. I believe LeBron will stay in the end and their perimeter D is being badly exposed by Boston. Sure, they could also use Carter Jr. or Bamba, but They could slot Mikal right into their lineups for another title run.

      But yes, I’d be happy to have him. It will be interesting to see who falls if he gets taken before our pick. Could be Tre.

    4. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      When there is an upset in sports, a major question always is, was the favored team not as good as they should have been, or was the underdog better than consensus? I consider the Cavaliers/Toronto result an upset. Not that it is a tremendous surprise the Cavs won, but the way they won was clearly much better than people expected. So are the Cavs really that much better than their regular season record or the Raptors so much worse? The pundits seem to believe the former, as the two I’ve read are picking the Cavs to defeat Boston. I favor the latter. One reason is that in other sports, like tennis, upsets rarely signify further upsets. Usually the winner loses in the next round. I think that is likely here. Two, I believe the coaches’ vote for coach of the year. The league’s coaching fraternity clearly believes Stevens has lots more talent to work with than Casey did. And if you compare Toronto’s roster to that of Washington, I don’t see it as better in any significant way; but they did much better, which is a tribute to Casey.

      So my prediction is that Boston will handle Cleveland comfortably. They have scoring talent, and they obviously can defend Cleveland, something Toronto couldn’t do.

    5. Hubert

      My god… I think I might actually win my Celtics +2000 bet! Watching the game yesterday, I think they might have 5 of the 6 best players in the series. Of course, that 6th guy is god, so we’ll see.

      Re: Porter, if he can rebound, he’s a steal. I’m already on record thinking he’s a bad fit next to Porzingis but that’s based on a single scouting report that called rebounding a weakness for him. He didn’t play enough minutes in college to give us evidence either way. From a team-building perspective, though, you can’t have a devastating small ball lineup if your 5 rebounds like Porzingis and your 4 also struggles to rebound.

      Re: Mudiay – every public comment about him troubles me.

    6. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      Hubert, what was the +2000 bet?

      Re Mudiay, the only comment that didn’t trouble me was Fizdale’s. He said something to Mudiay at the press conference to the effect of. “we are going to fix you” . That shows he knows Mudiay has too many flaws to be useful at the moment, which is accurate. Of course, fixing those flaws is much easier said than done.

    7. wetbandit

      Or, basketball is a talent game: creating possessions, creating offensive efficiency, and lowering your opponent’s efficiency. Especially in the playoffs. If you have a machine named LeTron at 35% usg, TS of 579 (Love at 25%, TS 589) taking most of your shots, rebounding well, blocking and stealing, and continuing to be a defensive beast, you will do well. If you have people like DeRozan (27% usg, TS 473) eating up your efficiency while not contributing, you will not do well. Amazingly, Lowry had a usg of 19%, and a TS 737! Valanciunas was way overused at 33% with TS 557.

      Those usage numbers are on Casey. There’s no reason CJ and VanVleet couldn’t get more burn.

    8. Farfa

      A long-limbed Korver? Sign me up for it! Anyway no matter what, Mikal will be gone by the time we’ll be on the clock, so who cares.

    9. Hubert

      The Celtics were +2000 to win the East when I took a flier on them. Nothing serious, just $100. I actually saw them go down to +3000 after. Oh well. I didn’t think I’d win, I just thought those odds were ridiculous considering the talent on the roster and the state of the Eastern Conference.

      Now I think I’m going to win, and then have the pleasure of watching them get trounced in the NBA Finals

    10. Hubert

      He said something to Mudiay at the press conference to the effect of. “we are going to fix you” . That shows he knows Mudiay has too many flaws to be useful at the moment, which is accurate.

      As long as fixing Mudiay doesn’t come at the expense of Frank’s development, I’m fine with his comments.

      Frank is raw and needs to be developed. Dedicating time to developing a raw talent is a good thing.

      Mudiay is broken beyond repair. Dedicating time to fixing something that is that broken is wasteful.

    11. mase

      we’re going this draft all wrong, we should be considering trading KP for Doncic. Doncic will be taken in the top 3, not necessarily #1 which is when we should pounce.

    12. Hubert

      we’re going this draft all wrong, we should be considering trading KP for Doncic. Doncic will be taken in the top 3, not necessarily #1 which is when we should pounce.

      I don’t think anyone in position to draft Doncic would trade that opportunity for KP.

    13. mase

      hubert
      i think you may be wrong, sure he has an injury that would nullify any deal. also owed a lot of money soon. but Kp is considered a top ten young player in the league and that is worth something, its like a guarantee on your pick,.

    14. kevin5318

      Lol Kyle Korver with elite defense should be the 2nd pick in the draft.

      Also

      @WindhorstESPN
      The Supreme Court has just ruled 7-2 to overturn the federal ban on sports gambling. It’s a historic day in American sport.

    15. d-mar

      You guys should have watched enough playoff series by now to not make judgments based on game 1’s. That was a hideous performance by Cleveland yesterday, but if they go out and win game 2 the entire tenor of the series changes.

      It really doesn’t matter whether they lost game 1 by 25 points or 1 point, Cleveland still has the best player on the planet and I wouldn’t be surprised if he puts up one of his epic 45-12-10 performances to carry them to victory in game 2.

    16. Farfa

      It should be a given that game 2 will feature a Rambo-like LeBron and much more Tristan Thompson, who will give fits to Horford. But if Cleveland defends like yesterday, they’re toast.

    17. Jack Bauer

      @19 this
      I wouldn’t be surprised at all. See recent Indiana series bounce back game by LBJ.

      I hate to admit this but I am somewhat enjoying watching the Celtics win. They play smart, good on defense, pass the ball, have a lot of exciting young players, and one of the best coaches in the league. I love Tatum’s game, he has been solid all through the playoffs. It’s hard to undo decades of Boston hate, but lately there is no real rivalry with the Knicks and I’m kind of sick and tired of watching Lebron steam roll his way to the finals year after year.

    18. Owen

      My reaction to the Bridges article is that I don’t understand why people don’t like Wendell Carter more than they do.

    19. Bruno Almeida

      The Cavs shot 4/26 from 3, 15%, there’s no way they just don’t simply hit more shots in the next games. As good as Boston’s defense is, and it’s pretty damn good, this is obviously not sustainable.

      The question is if this improvement or regression to the mean will be enough to actually win. I don’t think a LeBron team is getting swept but the fringe players are going to have to step up.

    20. Hubert

      hubert
      i think you may be wrong, sure he has an injury that would nullify any deal. also owed a lot of money soon. but Kp is considered a top ten young player in the league and that is worth something, its like a guarantee on your pick,.

      It reads like you’re telling me I’m wrong and then explaining why I’m right.

      4 years of healthy Doncic on a rookie deal is better than 1 year of a rehabbing Porzingis plus 4/5 more years on a second contract.

    21. Hubert

      My reaction to the Bridges article is that I don’t understand why people don’t like Wendell Carter more than they do.

      This remains the draft’s biggest mystery to me, too. I think we might luck into him while teams are blinded by the tools and upside of other prospects. There’s some kawhi leonard potential here (as a steal, not as a player).

      Then again, he seems perfect for Cleveland, and that last win is destined to kill us.

    22. Hubert

      @19 I agree with all that. I’d still take the Cavs. But teams keep having a knack of looking terrible when they play Boston. If they can just get it to a game 7…

    23. JK47

      Wendell Carter seems to always get undervalued in mock drafts, but I bet he’ll end up getting picked higher than projected. If I have the choice between Carter and Bagley, I’m taking Carter all day.

    24. chrisk06811

      why would we draft a defensive 3 when we already have future All NBA defense Lance Thomas?

    25. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      You guys should really try to watch more film on these players before making definitive statements. I know Sports Reference is fun and all, but this isn’t the NBA. How a guy records his stats is every bit as important as his actual stat line because you need to know if he’s able to do it against NBA competition. Luka Doncic has generationally great stats for a prospect his age against the world’s 2nd best competition, but he’s just an average athlete by NBA standards and then you have his 30.6 3PT% to look at. I have no doubt he’s an NBA player, but I do have doubts that he’s a franchise savior.

      Mikal Bridges looks to be a surefire pro, too. I hated him as recent as last week but I’ve come around on his awkward form because his release is pretty fast. He can’t dribble and he’s a poor rebounder though, which means you’re banking that he’s a legit 3 and D prospect because he will not offer you anything in terms of passing, shot creation, or rebounding. It also means you can only play him at small forward unless he gets stronger/becomes a better rebounder.

      Wendell Carter Jr is not as good a player as Marvin Bagley, who was the #1 player in both the class of 2018 and the class of 2017. Duke University took the number #35 jersey out of the rafters so he could wear it. Marvin Bagley is a better rebounding version of Toronto Bosh and he already comes with a 3 point jumper, and then there’s room for him to develop a handle when you watch him play. Somebody compared him to Michael Beasley as a prospect. Well if you can draft a more focused version of Beasley without the weed addiction you’ve found an unstoppable basketball player.

      Collin Sexton has a lightning quick first step and he can finish at the basket due to his handle and strength. I have doubts about his ability to shoot, but he’s not a surefire bust of a prospect.

      Watch the film, guys. It’ll round out your opinions.

    26. JK47

      Except Duke’s defense went to complete shit when Bagley played but Carter didn’t. Bagley is a poor defender, and Carter is a strong defender, and anybody who watched Duke a lot this year will tell you that.

    27. Frank

      Re: Cleveland vs Boston — per NBA.com Cleveland shot 4/24 from wide open (3/16) and open (1/8) range 3 point range. For the season they shot 10.5/27.2 (38.6%) from there. Figure the Cavs may even that out a bit by the end of the series.

      Re: Bagley – by all reports he has quick feet but short arms and lack of defensive awareness. I’m sure the short arms don’t get better, and I don’t know that defensive awareness gets better either – seems like 2 things you’re just born with.

      Re: who we pick — Mills/Perry seem fixated on getting athletic guys… which makes me think they might not love Carter, who is more smooth than athletic. I’m getting a Miles Bridges vibe.

    28. ess-dog

      Actually, I think Bagley would be a nice fit with KP if KP makes the move to center, but I don’t think it will be an option. And I do think Carter Jr. is rated pretty highly, he seems to be moving up mocks to the 5-7 range.

      My Korver comp would be a best-case scenario for Mikal, at least shooting-wise. There’s no guarantee he’ll be an above-average 3pt shooter in the NBA. Maaaaybe Porter is an OK comp, but really Bridges is more of a swingman and Porter a forward. And yeah, that would be great at 9! But again, that’s the comp of the best-case guys that stuck in the league and were productive, not the many drafted 22-year-olds that don’t fare as well (Landry Fields?)

      Like I said, I’d be fine with Mikal, but I think you could easily argue that Zhaire Smith has much more upside and he’s three years younger!

    29. kevin5318

      Why the fuck do people keep mocking Sexton to us? Maybe they just want Mikal on the Sixers which we can’t let happen.

    30. lavor postell

      Bagley is a similar prospect to Beasley. I’m not sure why anybody thinks Bagley will be able to consistently hit out from beyond the arc when he attempted just 58 threes, on which he shot at 39.7%, and only shot 62.7% from the free throw line. He also shot just 41.2% on 2 point jumpers.

      Like Beasley his defensive awareness and effort are major concerns as well as his ability to leverage his own individual scoring prowess to benefit the team by facilitating and playmaking.

      I personally hope Bagley isn’t on the board when we pick. I’m not a fan of his game at all and thought Wendell Carter Jr. was a superior player last year and prospect moving forward.

    31. JK47

      FWIW Carter is not an outstanding defender. He’s a little bit slow and struggles with defending the pick and roll in space. But he’s not a truly poor defender like Bagley.

    32. swiftandabundant

      Does anyone like the idea of us trading our pick if its the 9th pick and the Chicago 2nd rounder with the Clips for their two first round picks, which I believe would be 12th and 13th? If we can’t sneak into the top 3, then this seems like it could be a good move for us. Lowers the chance of a home run for the 9th pick but ups the talent level of the second pick by a lot. We could come away with Sexton and Knox for example. Two prospects that people on this blog hate but who would fall nicely in that 12 to 14 range. Or we could in theory snag two wing players with those two picks.

    33. Bruno Almeida

      I would probably rather trade down and pick SGA + Zhaire, but yes, trading down is a good option.

      I iust don’t see anyone the Clippers would be so interested in to want to move up to 9th.

    34. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

      @39

      That would be the smart thing to do. We need more good players, and there isn’t enough difference between 9 and 12 not to make that trade if we get 13 out of it.

    35. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

      But yeah, why would the Clippers do that? They’re not one player away, either.

    36. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges will take us to the promised land"

      Nice bet Hubert!

      I had Boston at 4-1 against the 76ers, but it was a smaller bet and I hedged the other way a bit after they won the first 2 games in Boston and the odds shifted sharply. I should have just stayed with it. You could always lock in a little by taking the Cavs now (or after game 2) if the odds seems reasonable. I wish I was in your shoes. Good luck.

    37. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Re: Cleveland vs Boston — per NBA.com Cleveland shot 4/24 from wide open (3/16) and open (1/8) range 3 point range. For the season they shot 10.5/27.2 (38.6%) from there. Figure the Cavs may even that out a bit by the end of the series.

      Playoffs BPM in descending order of MP:

      GOAT 14.6
      Love -2.9
      Smith -0.2
      Korver 2.0
      Green 0.2
      Hill -1.8
      Clarkson -8.2 (haha what the fuck)
      Hood -7.0 (again)
      Nance 1.9
      Thompson 1.4

      Compare that to the Cs, who have only three rotation players in negative BPM territory (Morris, who can’t hit the broad side of a barn; Ojeleye, a rookie; and Larkin, who shouldn’t be in the NBA at all). Morris’s minutes would concern me, but Ojeleye and Larkin are not all that important in this series, where Rozier/Tatum/Horford/Brown should be playing 35+ MPG.

      So in the Cavs we have a team fundamentally incapable of playing good role players over bad role players, a team full of mediocre “stars” or has-beens with just one bright spot keeping them alive against an improbably strong Celtics team.

      It would be absurd to think they’re going to get beat by 25 every game, but there’s a good chance they get their asses handed to them in 5 if LeBron doesn’t show up. As great as his playoffs performance has been, a 14.6 BPM doesn’t mean he’s due to replicate that small-sample absurdity for the next 3-to-13 games.

      It seems most likely that the Celtics win in 5 or 6 and then get swept by the Warriors or Rockets in the Finals. And then LeBron signs with the Sixers in July and makes another 2-3 Finals in a row, again.

    38. ess-dog

      Man, it’s crazy how good Beasley was at K-State. How could you not pick him? His stats were obscene.

      There are legit concerns with Bagley, but offensively, he could be a star. He’s a great athlete for a guy his size, runs the floor well, has decent touch on his jumper, and rarely misses near the basket (.640 efg, .643 ts.) He kind of does what KP doesn’t – score efficiently near the basket and rebound! Let KP shoot threes and protect the rim.

      Bagley’s defense is an issue but can that be fixed? I don’t know. He doesn’t lack energy, so it must be an awareness thing.

    39. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Beasley is an actual bust in that there were no indications he’d be this bad (so bad he shouldn’t be in the league at all IMO). I don’t think there’s anything you could find in his college play that would lead you to predict he’d never post a positive BPM, that he’d be a historically-bad playoff performer, or that he’d end up playing for like 7 different teams (and somehow continue to sign contracts despite that shitty play)

      Other guys like Joe Alexander and Anthony Bennett bear a different kind of “bust” status because there’s really no explanation for why they got picked so high. Joe Alexander jumped really high but wasn’t a great NCAA player by any means. Anthony Bennett looked like Larry Johnson and went to the same school — I’m pretty sure that’s why he went #1, having nothing to do with his actual basketball ability. If you pick either of those guys at #20, no one bats an eye. High in the lottery? Still can’t explain it aside from terrible scouting.

    40. geo

      @WindhorstESPN
      The Supreme Court has just ruled 7-2 to overturn the federal ban on sports gambling. It’s a historic day in American sport.

      @18
      i saw that this morning kevin…i understand it’s significant – i’m still not exactly sure what it means though, and, what effect it will have – heck, on the whole country…

    41. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Bagley is a truly horrible defender with a very one dimensional offensive game (face up and rim running) and limited secondary skills. He is literally the 7 foot version of Michael Beasley. Do you want Michael Beasley with 2 extra inches? I don’t.

      Carter is an average defender, but his strengths defensively cover up KPs weaknesses, namely rebounding and boxing out. Theyd be a great combo.

      The myth that no step vert and other traditional markers of “athleticism” are strongly correlated with a high ceiling needs to stop. Of course it can help if you can jump out of the gym, but the thing that correlates most with a high ceiling is “skill” rather than athleticism at a young age–ie playmaking and bball iq in a its forms. Luka isn’t even that unathletic, he’s built like a truck and can dunk with relative ease. He’s got a much higher ceiling than Ayton, who will likely never be a good defensive player, and pretty much anyone else not named Trae Young, because he does literally everything you need to orchestrate an offense without giving too much back on the other end. He’s close to the second coming of Larry Bird. Also, if you combine his two seasons of 3 pt shooting (the responsible thing to do), hes an average shooter at 35% on high volume while doing advanced step backs and shooting off pin downs, which at least suggests that he could become an elite 3 point shooter (like Harden eventually became.) There should simply be no question about who goes first in this draft.

    42. Z-man

      so bad he shouldn’t be in the league at all IMO

      Beasley is not very good, but this statement is way over the top. He’s a perfectly fine player at a minimum salary or close to it and a probably rotation player on most teams unless his coach doesn’t like his antics or has a low tolerance for the more-than-occasional dumb play on D. In his last 3 years, he’s put up 25, 20 and 21 points per 36 on TS% of .563, .584 and .556, respectively. He’s a medium-efficiency, high usage scorer.

      He totally sucked for the first 7 years of his career, and certainly still is relative to where he was drafted. But for his last 3 years, he’s every bit an NBA player. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a positive impact on a very good team in the next 2-3 years.

    43. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      I agree with Z-man about Beasley. Consider Cleveland. They could use Beasley against Boston and he’d be a help.

    44. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

      Beasley is not very good, but this statement is way over the top. He’s a perfectly fine player at a minimum salary or close to it

      I’m glad to have occasion to agree with you, Z-man. His value is somewhat situational – if you have a team of strong defenders that struggles to score, and he is on the kind of deal he is on now, that is excellent value. But to dismiss him outright is just silly.

      He has no place in the Knicks, tho. That is also just silly.

    45. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      I feel for the Beez, he’d like to stay in one place, but the Knicks will have another rookie take a roster spot and probably won’t renew him.

    46. Grocer

      Some folks seem convinced the Knicks need a PG, which is probably true. But Sexton doesn’t seem like an obvious upgrade over Burke, and we have other needs as well. We’re probably better off taking Mikal and waiting to see what happens next year.

    47. nicos

      [Doncic’s] close to the second coming of Larry Bird. Also, if you combine his two seasons of 3 pt shooting (the responsible thing to do), hes an average shooter at 35% on high volume while doing advanced step backs and shooting off pin downs, which at least suggests that he could become an elite 3 point shooter (like Harden eventually became.) There should simply be no question about who goes first in this draft

      Can you name one superstar who isn’t either a athletic/physical freak or a lights out shooter? For Doncic to be a generational type talent like Bird he’s going to have to shoot a whole lot better than he does now. I don’t know where you get 35%- over the last two years he’s shot .323 from three with this year being a troubling .306. He’s got a great handle and nice hesitation moves but those will only get you so far if you can’t punish defenders for sagging off of you. I’d love him on the Knicks and think he’ll shoot well enough to be a very, very good player but I’m not sold on him being an perennial all-NBA talent unless his shooting improves dramatically. He’s also going to be a very high turnover guy for at least the first few years as he’s averaging over 3 per 36 now.
      As for Ayton- I think people on this site are undervaluing the guy. He was basically a better Karl-Anthony Towns on offense (higher TS%, usage, and lower turnovers while also playing significantly more mpg). Towns did get a lot more blocks/steals but also fouled at twice the rate (5.6 per 40 vs 2.8) for what that’s worth. Ayton is also bigger and probably more athletic than Towns. His offensive ceiling is off the charts. He played a lot of 4 (as did Towns) so I think it’s at least possible that he’ll be better defensively once he plays the 5 full-time but it’s clear he’ll have a lot of work to do on that end. I’d probably go with Doncic at one- certainly a better fit for the Knicks- but I don’t think it’s the no-brainer people here seem to think it is.

    48. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges will take us to the promised land"

      I never watched Beasley play in college. I never saw him interviewed at the time. However, I’m going to guess he had disappointment written all over him coming out of school. The reason everyone missed it was that they were looking at offensive stats and athleticism. No doubt those things matter, but they aren’t everything.

      The same things that allow me to say that about Beasley allow me to confidently say that if Frank stays healthy he’s going to keep improving his skills and knowledge and eventually be a VERY good player even though all the bogus models say he’s awful now.

    49. Ben R

      I want Doncic more than anyone else but I agree that people need to slow down on the once in a lifetime prospect type talk. He is very good but because of his high-level experience in Europe he might be closer to his ceiling than his American counterparts, meaning he will start better and improve less.

      I look at Rubio as a comparison. He was also a truly dominant player in Europe putting up unbelievable stats for an 18-year-old. He plateaued and didn’t really improve, even regressed a little, over the next two seasons in Europe before he came over.

      Doncic could keep improving and become an all-world player but there isn’t a ton to improve. You look at someone like KP and you see loads of untapped potential, that maybe they reach maybe they don’t but you look at Doncic and where is his untapped potential. He already has great BBIQ, is strong, a good rebounder, a great passer, and a solid shooter. He’s not getting more athletic so the only real places for improvement is as a shooter and does that make him all world. It makes him great but he is not the next LeBron or even Simmons.

    50. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

      He going to be much better than Simmons, and that’s saying a lot.

      No one is LeBron. He is likely the GOAT.

    51. Frank

      You know I’ve been thinking about Fizdale’s Lance Thomas – Draymond comment and I wonder if his plan is to play Lance as a small-ball 5? It’s hard to find his measurements but most places say he’s 6’8″ and I’ve seen a few places say he has a 7’3″ wingspan. He IS versatile and strong enough defensively to guard 5’s in a pinch most likely. Of course he can’t rebound or protect the rim at all, but hey, we’re talking a very very homeless man’s version of Draymond.

      Re: Doncic – he basically is a less athletic LeBron. Can’t really compare him to Simmons because the truth is, Doncic CAN shoot. His 3-ball% is a bit compromised because I think he’s been playing around with pull-up / off-the dribble 3’s. I wonder whether there is a site that tracks his spot-up 3 percentage. 80% of LeBron is probably still an All-star.

    52. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      Out of curiosity I looked up fivethirtyeight’s projections for Ntilikina. They consider him a “Great Prospect” and predict he won’t be anything exceptional next year but will be high value the following season. I believe that. However, I’m not thrilled with their comps. Ricky Rubio was by far the top one, and I don’t think of him as a good match

    53. hoolahoop

      Beasley is an actual bust in that there were no indications he’d be this bad (so bad he shouldn’t be in the league at all IMO).

      For someone that likes to nominate most ridiculous comments ever, really, that’s what you think? Because if you do, I think we have a winner.

    54. lavor postell

      Re: Doncic’s athleticism

      This is from The Stepien’s scouting report on him

      Potential for athletic improvement in NBA with improved training. Made big strides when he worked with P3 in spring 2017.

      https://www.thestepien.com/luka-doncic/

      This is pulled from a a pod Jonathon Givony of DraftExpress did with Danny Leroux for RealGM via reddit.

      “I don’t think you can do the things he does without being athletic. I hear all the time that he’s not athletic and I just laugh at it. He does really athletic things on the court.”

      He also makes the point that one of the areas the NBA is most ahead of Europe in is strength/conditioning/flexibility sports science stuff. He said Doncic has had some short sessions at P3 and the people there say he has “so much more room to improve in that regard”.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7v5lmg/jonathan_givony_of_draftexpress_on_doncic_i_hear/

      The link to the pod is in there if you want to double check it yourself.

      Simply put, there seems to be sentiment that Doncic certainly CAN improve his athleticism from where it currently is.

    55. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      For someone that likes to nominate most ridiculous comments ever, really, that’s what you think? Because if you do, I think we have a winner.

      Question: How many times has Beasley posted a WS48 higher than league average?

      Question #2: How many times has Beasley posted a positive BPM in his career?

      Question #3: How many times has Beasley posted a positive VORP in his career?

      Question #4: How many times has Beasley posted a negative WP48 in his career?

      Yes, Beasley has been better over the last three years than he ever was before. Again I ask why the Knicks (or any bad-to-middling team) would want to waste a roster slot on a veteran who has no chance of making significant improvements at age 29 nor anything of value to share with young players?

      One final question: Are you so deep an anti-stats truther that you think all of the available metrics are dead-wrong on a guy who is consistently terrible at NBA basketball? This isn’t the CBA we’re talking about. It’s the NBA, and he has sucked badly. I’m guessing that since he put on blue and orange, you’ve come full circle on his “upside” and other bullshit like that, but nah, you wrong.

      http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-morning-news-2017-12-24/#comment-606749

      Do you really think that “Michael Beasley is. historically, a bad NBA player” is on the same level as “KP won the NBA Skills competition so he has tools to be a good passer?” Seriously? Come the fuck on. Seriously?

    56. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I think Beasley is at best a slightly above replacement player, and if you think he’s literally just a replacement level player it’s a toss up whether or not he “belongs” in the nba. It’s not a ridiculous take to say he doesn’t belong in the NBA

    57. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      Again I ask why the Knicks (or any bad-to-middling team) would want to waste a roster slot on a veteran who has no chance of making significant improvements at age 29 nor anything of value to share with young players?

      This is ridiculous. You defend your statement that Beasley should be out of the league by saying teams that are rebuilding don’t need his skills. Of course you can win an argument that a player isn’t suited for the NBA by just looking at teams he isn’t suited for. He’s good off of the bench as a scorer. No one but you expect such players to be well above average in advanced metrics. The guys who are well above average are all starters.

    58. kevin5318

      So Houstons offense is basically ISO Harden and chuck up 3’s. If it works then it works.

    59. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      I think Beasley is at best a slightly above replacement player, and if you think he’s literally just a replacement level player it’s a toss up whether or not he “belongs” in the nba. It’s not a ridiculous take to say he doesn’t belong in the NBA

      There are a lot of folks who called Rose trash when he was doing his “comeback,” loved him when he tried a “comeback” as a Knick (until it became obvious he was washed, which was, like, day 2 for the rest of us), and then trashed him again when he went to the Cavs or wherever he started his “comeback” this year.

      If Beasley had put up the same exact season on the Magic or Lakers, the chorus would call him trash and we’d move on. But he’s a Knick, so he gets the blue-and-orange-glasses treatment.

    60. JK47

      The Warriors were only the #11 defense in the league this year, but you can see when they’re at full strength and really trying they’re way better than that. Houston is usually so good at getting good looks at the hoop, but the Warriors are making them work their asses off for everything.

    61. hoolahoop

      There were many many times when the knicks absolutely needed Beasley in the game. Often, he was the only guy on the floor that was able to score.
      Despite all his deficiencies, he’s far above average at putting the ball in the basket, and can do it without an assist.
      Whether you like him or not, whether he should be on the knicks roster or not, of course Beasley has a role in the NBA coming off the bench to put points on the board.
      . . . plus, until pot is legal everywhere, he’s a good source.

    62. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      There were many many times when the knicks absolutely needed ______ in the game. Often, _____ was the only guy on the floor that was able to score.
      Despite all his deficiencies, ____’s far above average at putting the ball in the basket, and can do it without an assist.
      Whether you like him or not, whether he should be on the knicks roster or not, of course ______ has a role in the NBA coming off the bench to put points on the board.

      Is this about Beasley or Carmelo? Both suck at NBA ball, my dude.

    63. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Nick Young runs like a lazy middle schooler being told to run into a headwind

    64. BigBlueAL

      Durant going to Golden St has made the playoffs anti-climactic and basically the Conference and NBA Finals boring.

    65. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Don’t worry, BBA. Houston’s regular season SRS pretty much guarantees this will be a competitive series.

    66. BigBlueAL

      I think Houston will still win a couple of games in this series but let’s be honest Golden St with Durant no team is coming close to seriously beating them in a Best of 7 series. Maybe a healthy Celtics team next year or depending on where LeBron goes but even he has to slow down eventually.

    67. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Golden State is going to sweep them or win in 5 if Draymond keeps his head on his shoulders and CP3 doesn’t injure somebody. The Warriors are a notch above everybody in the league and nobody will win two playoff games against them at full strength. The Cavs had to have an all time great offensive game to avoid getting swept. James Harden played his little heart out and GSW still controlled the action from wire to wire. D’Antoni didn’t help himself by limiting Capella to 30 minutes, but this Warriors team at full strength is simply unbeatable. You have the best motion offense in history and then you have the option to swing it strongside to Durant and let him go one on one and fry the opposing team’s best wing defender until his team sends the double. There is no beating this team, and Golden State will undress the Rockets.

    68. djphan

      rubio was good at a really young age but he was always very deficient in the shooting category… it’s quite miraculous that he’s been able to sustain an nba career shooting as poorly as he has and that’s because he’s been excellent dishing the ball, generating turnovers and getting to the line…. the shooting was at such a low level it capped his offensive upside….

      doncic doesn’t have that problem… his skillset is both wide and deep… his offense is a bit 3 happy but he takes it to the rim fairly aggressively and he has a variety of moves and creativity when doing so…

      when you do this many things well at that age against this type of competition…. it’s more the norm that they turn into superstars than turn into pumpkins….

    69. Bruno Almeida

      I mean, if you tell me we’re drafting Ricky Rubio but he has none of the flaws actual Rubio has (very poor shooting, struggles finishing inside, doesn’t draw many fouls) and he’s also 6’7″ or 6’8″, I take that guy 1st every time.

      Doncic doesn’t need to be a 40%+ 3pt shooter straight away in the league simply because everything else is so advanced. Court vision, passing, rebounding, ability to create, he has shown them all at very high levels in the most competitive scenarios possible outside of the NBA. If his defense holds out ok enough all he needs to do is to be able to shoot decently and he’s a star.

    70. Grocer

      Yeah. What Doncic has already shown is ridiculous at his age. No need to think twice.

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