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Saturday, January 20, 2018

Knicks Morning News (2018.01.04)

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Baker: Was just trying to stop dunk
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 7:19:27 PM)

    Knicks guard Ron Baker played with a mask during his return Wednesday against the Wizards after suffering an orbital bone fracture last week.

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis feeling the wear and tear and is ‘so tired’
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 9:01:55 PM)

    WASHINGTON — Closing in on the season’s halfway mark, Kristaps Porzingis admitted he’s feeling wear and tear and missing Tim Hardaway Jr. After all, this is Porzingis’ first season as the Knicks’ No. 1 option, pressure made worse with secondary scorer Hardaway out the past 4½ weeks. After his two-point second half in Wednesday’s 121-103…

  • [NYPost] Knicks have a second half to forget in ugly loss to Wizards
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 4:37:54 PM)

    WASHINGTON — The collapse started in the final seconds of the first half Wednesday, when the Knicks watched Washington’s John Wall chase down an offensive rebound and hit a tie-breaking buzzer beater. The bad vibe kept rolling to start the second half as the Knicks looked absolutely disinterested and with their minds possibly on Miami’s…

  • [NYPost] Ron Baker’s courage only cost him one game
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 4:02:39 PM)

    WASHINGTON — Ron Baker subscribes to the old-school no-layup, no-dunk rule. It’s why Jeff Hornacek loves him. Baker is now playing while wearing a mask because of it, as that philosophy didn’t work out as he had hoped. But Baker’s bold decision to attempt to lay a foul on Anthony Davis as he rose for…

  • [NYPost] Knicks have less-is-more plan to fix Kristaps Porzingis
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 9:32:11 AM)

    WASHINGTON — Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek suggested the Knicks may think about getting the ball to Kristaps Porzingis … less. After calling the offense “stagnant” following Tuesday’s 100-91 loss to the Spurs, Hornacek said opponents are too prepared for the Knicks to deliver the rock to Porzingis, who has slumped since the first week of…

  • [NYTimes] Wizards 121, Knicks 103: Knicks Continue Their Struggles Against the Wizards
    (Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:31:37 AM)

    With an 18-point loss in Washington, the Knicks fell to the Wizards for the 14th time in the teams’ last 15 meetings.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: A Plan for the Knicks’ Future? Look to the Spurs’ Past
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 9:46:25 PM)

    Like the Spurs, the Knicks have a talented international core. But do they have the patience to build it into a winner?

  • [NYDN] Knicks guard Ron Baker refused to give Anthony Davis easy basket
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 7:23:39 PM)

    Ron Baker’s face may be broken but not his competitive spirit.

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis struggles again in 121-103 loss to Wizards
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 7:23:00 PM)

    The Knicks are now 0-2 to start 2018.

  • [SNY Knicks] Defense plagues Knicks in 121-103 loss to Wizards
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 9:45:00 PM)

    Bradley Beal scored 27 points, John Wall added 25 with nine assists and the Washington Wizards beat the New York Knicks 121-103 on Wednesday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Tonight’s game: Knicks at Wizards, 7 p.m.
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 5:30:00 PM)

    After weeks of inconsistent performances, the Washington Wizards might finally be headed down a stable, winning path.

  • [SNY Knicks] Ntilikina has made a good first impression on Gregg Popovich
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 10:45:40 AM)

    Knicks rookie PG Frank Ntilikina may not have played much Tuesday night, but he has already made a good impression on Spurs coach Gregg Popovich.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks admit there is much to improve on after loss to veteran Spurs
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 8:43:24 AM)

    After another loss to the Spurs Tuesday night, the Knicks saw themselves fall under .500 and out of the top eight teams in the Eastern Conference.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ road woes continue in loss to Wizards
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 11:02:48 PM)

    WASHINGTON — Kristaps Porzingis sounds like someone who needs a little break to catch his breath and get his energy back.

  • [NY Newsday] Ron Baker OK with getting posterized, but mask is uncomfortable
    (Wednesday, January 03, 2018 9:34:16 PM)

    WASHINGTON — Ron Baker has proved he can take an elbow to the face and all the jokes that came along with it.

  • 84 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2018.01.04)

    1. bobneptune

      I don’t know about the rest of the KB’ers, but I’ve had just about enough of this nonsense:

      “I’m tired,” the 22-year-old forward said following Washington’s 121-103 victory on Wednesday.

      WTF “franchise boy”! 22 years old and he’s tired? They had two off days before the first of the B to B and they had to make the long 3 hr train ride from Penn Station to DC was just too much to expect….

      I mean honestly, WTF…. he was beaten mentally before he stepped on the floor last night. A great player cannot possibly be this mentally weak. Whether he is chronically physically weak is another question but he is certainly showing by these two words he isn’t the player to build a franchise around. The guy has a world class skill set but I’m sure I’m not the only one questioning his “moxie”.

      Everyone laughed at Phil for taking offers for him and I now defy anyone to tell me they wouldn’t swap him for a chance to draft Luka today.

    2. bobneptune

      KP is beginning to remind me of the banter on the great CSN&Y album 4 Way Street where Stephen Stills says, “”We’d like to introduce our friend, Neil Young.” “Here’s a new song guaranteed to bring you right down. It’s called Don’t Let It Bring You Down. Sort of starts out real slow and fizzles out altogether.”

    3. Stratomatic says "NY basketball is back"

      I’m sure KP is under a doctor’s care, but I still suspect he wears down so easily partially because he’s not strong enough yet and gets banged around by defenses TRYING to take him out of his game but also because he still has issues with anemia. This is the 3rd season in a row he came out like gangbusters but faded. It could be a coincidence, but more likely there is a reason.

      https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/6/29/12061228/kristaps-porzingis-opens-up-about-his-struggles-with-anemia

    4. bobneptune

      I’m sure KP is under a doctor’s care, but I still suspect he wears down so easily partially because he’s not strong enough yet and gets banged around by defenses TRYING to take him out of his game but also because he still has issues with anemia. This is the 3rd season in a row he came out like gangbusters but faded. It could be a coincidence, but more likely there is a reason.

      There probably IS a reason but anemia isn’t it. This isn’t the 1700’s where medical conditions are treated with “eye of newt!” This guy has been under optimal medical care for 2.5 years . If had had anemia, it has been treated. Anemia is treatable whether through change in diet, folate (or additional supplementation) or even through the use of genetically engineered medications like EPO that supplement the amount of kidney hormone endogenously produced to stimulate bone marrow to produce more RBC’s.

      EPO works as I use race trotters at the Meadowlands YR/RR for decades and we used to treat the horses with EPO and raise their hematocrit from 35% to 50%! That stops them from getting tired :-)

      And if he is still anemic medically after 3 years of top flight medical treatment, I can’t think of a better reason to market him.

    5. Hubert

      The full quote is “I’m tired, I’m tired, I’m so tired.”

      I think a lot of what looked like development from him earlier was really just him playing the first month of the season like it was the Conference Finals while most players were rounding into shape.

    6. Stratomatic says "NY basketball is back"

      I’m not a doctor, but I’ve never seen another professional athlete fade 3 years in a row and complain about being tired like this. It seems very similar to his experience as a teenager, though not as extreme. The demands on the bodies of professional athletes are unique. Something is amiss.

    7. Stratomatic says "NY basketball is back"

      @5 That may have been part of it also, but he clearly had way more energy then than he has now. There are times when you can actually see the variations in his energy level from game to game or even within a game. There have been countless games where he looked great in the first quarter or first half and looked dead tired and faded later in the game. I’m not talking about stats. I’m talking about his energy level. Other players have a dull game every once in awhile when they just don’t have it. With him it’s a regular occurrence.

    8. bobneptune

      I’m not a doctor, but I’ve never seen another professional athlete fade 3 years in a row and complain about being tired like this. It seems very similar to his experience as a teenager, though not as extreme. The demands on the bodies of professional athletes are unique. Something is amiss.

      I am not a doctor either but I am penning a book on optimal human nutrition with a pretty fair background in biology and the odds of him having some chronic anemia the all the medical geniuses in Manhattan can’t solve is pretty far down the list says William of Ockham.

      I’m guessing they have run the battery of tests checking for parasites, autoimmune diseases, etc. Jesus , I hope they have checked him for Marfan’s syndrome and done a full cardiac work up.

      Maybe he should try getting fat adapted with an ultra low carb diet and see if he utilizes ketones better than glucose……

    9. DRed

      Kristaps needs to man up, put on his big boy pants, fill up his lunch pail and rub some dirt on his “tired” legs.

    10. bobneptune

      Kristaps needs to man up, put on his big boy pants, fill up his lunch pail and rub some dirt on his “tired” legs.

      As my old football coach used to say…” Tape and aspirin to i!” if you had a minor injury.

      I’m guessing Horny had it right last year with the pu**y comment…..

    11. wetbandit

      I am a doctor, and there is nothing pre-modern about struggling with anemia. There are plenty of high-functioning upper-class people out there battling with things like anemia. (There are a million other things that people back in the day struggled with that we are not completely past, and I am against saying that it but that’s a different story)

      There’s a reason athletes have been micro-dosing with EPO and storing their own blood in the off-season to transfuse when they get tired.

      This is probably compounded by his anemia he’s had since he was 15 or something.

    12. Z-man

      KP’s conditioning is definitely worrisome. There definitely seems to be some kind of chemical imbalance. Maybe he needs to play shorter shifts. On the other hand, he’s recovered nicely from some injuries. Go back to when Melo fell on his neck, or when he mangled his ankle, or his knee, shoulder, hip, and calf issues, and he’s made quick comebacks from all of those things.

    13. Z-man

      I also worry about him going back to Latvia from April to September. That can’t be the best thing for his development.

    14. cgreene

      @12 I absolutely advocated a while ago that KP play shorter shifts. Playing him 12 straight minutes is a mistake and he should not be playing more than 28-30 minutes a game. This is obvious.

      And this whole thing is so Knicks it’s comedy.

    15. wetbandit

      The real question is, what is the cause, is it just iron-deficiency, is the rest of his body healthy, does he have an autoimmune problem related to his tall marfanoid habitus, will it be chronic, and IS IT FIXABLE. If he can get the OK to use Epo at the doses he needs, I’m sure he will on his own.

      What really worries me is that anemia is directly related to healing deficiencies, including the day-to-day stresses these athletes share.

    16. bobneptune

      The real question is, what is the cause, is it just iron-deficiency, is the rest of his body healthy, does he have an autoimmune problem related to his tall marfanoid habitus, will it be chronic, and IS IT FIXABLE. If he can get the OK to use Epo at the doses he needs, I’m sure he will on his own.

      Hi doc,

      I mentioned these as possible reasons in @8 but is it reasonable that a multi billion dollar organization with unlimited resources with a potential multi hundred million dollar asset with a history of anemia hasn’t explored possibilities that a 65 yr old non physician could divine in 30 seconds? I just can’t imagine they are that dumb.

      I’m guessing if he has a physiologic issue it isn’t anemia. Maybe something more like a kin to a mitochondrial disorder like MELAS.

      I wasn’t kidding when I said he might want to look into keto-adaptation like Kobe and LeBron

    17. wetbandit

      MELAS is a pretty severe diagnosis, other than fatigue, I don’t know what else he shows points to it. He seems like a bright and motivated guy, I’d be shocked if he didn’t explore on his own all possible treatments (as well as going to the best docs)… including things you may get easier in Latvia than in the US.

      I can’t imagine what sort of monster player he’d become if he started doping the way LeBron did. I wouldn’t if I were him or his doctor, but as a fan, I wonder..

    18. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      @16

      Wasn’t the Knicks medical staff supposed to be pretty bad or am I misremembering?

    19. bobneptune

      MELAS is a pretty severe diagnosis, other than fatigue, I don’t know what else he shows points to it. He seems like a bright and motivated guy, I’d be shocked if he didn’t explore on his own all possible treatments, including things you may get easier in Latvia than in the US.

      Understood… that’s why I said MELAS-like… maybe a disfunction of the mitochondria… maybe something as simple as a severe magnesium deficiency (70% of Americans are magnesium deficient and if someone doesn’t eat green veggies he could be very deficient and have impaired mitochondrial function.

      Horse trainers are way ahead of the curve because we look at performance enhancement as cash. In the early 90’s exploring ways to make my horses run faster I first came across MELAS which was characterized by lactic acid build up without exercise. The literature said sodium dichloroacetate would lower lactic acid accumulation and it wasn’t available in the USA…. so I sent to China for a few litres of Dichloroacetic Acid (incredibly strong acid due to the dipole moment caused by the 2 chlorine atoms) and did my own acid -base neutralization with NaOH.

      It worked, but i recommend don’t try that at home….

    20. ClashFan

      @20
      Yeah, I’m a Mets fan, and that team’s medical treatment of players has been a running joke for many years now. So, I wouldn’t assume at all that the Knicks are state of the art in diagnosing and treating the players.

      I seem to recall Phil not being allowed to overhaul the Knicks medical staff when he took over (the explanation at the time was that that was not a “basketball” decision that he had power over), though that was several years ago, now.

      For starters, many of us have long wanted H. to ease off of KP’s minutes. Top him at about 6 minutes per shift, 30 minutes total. PLAY WILLY!

      Who knows, maybe the Knicks medical staff is run by Theodoric of York: Medieval Barber:
      https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/lists/40-best-saturday-night-live-characters-of-all-time-20150216/28-theodoric-of-york-20150216

    21. geo

      how absolutely fitting – bancini: https://youtu.be/ne65RT19UNQ telling us all just how absolutely tired he was…

      definitely appreciate kp’s candor…i don’t know though…he probably should have kept that one to himself…

      the whole knick situation certainly is a lot of baloney…

    22. thenoblefacehumper

      Just cut Sessions for crying out loud. If you can’t take minutes from Jarrett Jack and a teenager, you shouldn’t be on an NBA roster over someone who has any chance whatsoever of being okay.

    23. hoolahoop

      So, as if this 22 year old doesn’t already feel the weight of the world on his shoulders, now KP is being blasted for not being a real man. Real men don’t get tired!
      Add it to list of why an athlete may take PED’s.

    24. Brian Cronin

      Just cut Sessions for crying out loud. If you can’t take minutes from Jarrett Jack and a teenager, you shouldn’t be on an NBA roster over someone who has any chance whatsoever of being okay.

      Yeah, I still don’t get the thinking – “Oh no, Jack’s hurt! If we don’t have a shitty veteran to replace him in case of injury, we’re screwed!”

    25. Grocer

      Seems like KP’s also losing weight and muscle mass pretty quickly, and apparently it’s difficult. Both his training during the season and his diet aren’t working. Should be a solvable problem but you probably can’t know until you get into the season if your approach is working. And once you’re in the season switching it up is complicated by how long you have to wait to see results, lack of downtime for refining, ect. Hopefully they’ll figure it out, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it took another couple of seasons. He’s got a fairly unique combo of body type/medical issues/activity schedule. If there were a template for this shit they’d already have it sorted.

      Or maybe he’s just not enough of a ROUGH RIDER.

    26. Brian Cronin

      Could the Knicks actually get something for Michael Beasley? Wouldn’t that be hilarious if they couldn’t get anything for KOQ or Lee, but ended up with, like, a first for the Beaze?

    27. ess-dog

      Yeah KP looks visibly thinner than in June. I’m sure it’s hard for him to get in the weight room during the season, but he needs to make it a priority (along with diet). I think he’ll get there, maybe not this year, but soon. He’s a hard worker.

    28. ess-dog

      I mean, for a guy that physically unique, I don’t think it’s out of the question to sit him every 7th game or something like that. He’s just not physically strong enough yet to take a beating every night in the NBA. Sure you can tell him to rub some dirt on it, but I think it’s probably better to avoid catastrophic injuries by managing players correctly. I hate to break it to you, but it’s not like we’re going to win a championship this year anyway.

    29. 2FOR18, understands math

      Thanks guys ( esp wetbandit the doc), as I’ve been begging for some discussion/info on here regarding KP’s anemia.

      I’m also in agreement with those who have been calling for limiting the duration of KP’s shifts, and even giving him some nights off like they do for less durable baseball players. He really is a unicorn, and one with obvious durability/conditioning issues, so he needs to be treated like a unicorn. Calling him a pussy or whatever isn’t going to help if he has legit issues. It’s like telling a person who suffers from depression or anxiety to just get over it.

      ……
      “Who knows, maybe the Knicks medical staff is run by Theodoric of York: Medieval Barber:”

      I’m gonna go with Marqui de Sade or Dr. (K)Nick. I have no confidence in their medical staff, or in anyone else the guy who hired a sexual harasser to run his women’s basketball team would employ.

    30. chrisk06811

      I went back to last years’ deadline trades to come up with my own bullshit assessment for what we might land for KOQ, McDermott, Lee, Kantor or Beasley. Here’s what I found:

      PHX got 2 2nds and Sullinger from Tor for PJ Tucker
      PHIL got a protected 2018 first round for Noel and Justin Anderson
      PHIL got a 2nd, and rights to swap 2nds from Atl for Ilyasova
      BROOKLYN got a lottery protected 1st from Wash for Bogdanovic
      HOU got Lou Williams for a 1st
      ORL got Terrance Ross and a 1st (less favorable of Clips / Raptors) for Ibaka

      Not sure where that leaves us. Most of the 1’s that were traded were late picks or protected. We dont’ have an Ibaka, so rule out that comparison. The one that stands out if Brooklyn; they gave Wash a badly needed bench guy for a lottery protected 1.

      I feel like KOQ could maybe get us a late 1st round pick, to the right team. maybe. I think the only way we are getting a 1 from anyone else is if we throw in Chi’s 2, or our own 2.

    31. Brian Cronin

      Good stuff, chris.

      I think that there’s still a chance that some team might be willing to part with a late first for Lee. Fingers crossed!

    32. Ben R

      Do you think Milwaukee might be willing to trade Parker? They seemed willing over the summer and if they are nervous to pay him it would relieve the pressure. What about Lee for Parker and Vaughn (or whatever minimum salary filler they want to throw in instead). We could throw in a 2nd if we need to sweeten the pot.

      Parker is a huge gamble and we’d have to pay him but possibly we could structure the contract like Embiid’s with lots of contingency’s in case of more injury. I think it would be a good gamble, if it works it would give us another young building block.

    33. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      I think we will might do better if we trade Lee or O’Quinn for some young player who is already drafted than trading for an actual draft pick. For example, do you think we could have gotten the number three pick, the number eleven pick and a top second round pick for Melo? I think probably not, but that is what we actually got except that Kanter and McDermott were already drafted at number three and number eleven. Maybe your chances of hitting it lucky with a pick aren’t as good this way, but you can still get quality players and the overall value might be more.

    34. Bruno Almeida

      The thing is that Milwaukee will set their sights on getting more than O’Quinn. There’s still rumours circling around of DeAndre potentially getting traded, for example. They don’t need Lee when Middleton / Brogdon / Snell are healthy.

      If the Bucks simply want to dump Parker, yes I would take him, but there’s no reason for them to be doing that for no value as they can simply let him walk away if he won’t be healthy.

      I have a feeling this trade deadline will look a lot like last year’s for the Knicks.

    35. 2FOR18, understands math

      What about that ridiculous Nurkic trade? I guess it didn’t take place around the trade deadline? Oh, wait a sec, google is right over here…..

      on 02/12/17…
      According to Adrian Wojnarowski the Denver Nuggets have traded Jusuf Nurkic to the Portland Trail Blazers for Mason Plumlee. The Nuggets will also send the Memphis Grizzlies first round pick that they own to Portland and receive a 2018 second rounder and cold hard cash in return.”

      So Portland got Nurkic AND a #1 for Plumlee and a #2,

      I think the moral of this trade is how low the trade value is for bigs who don’t stretch the floor.

    36. Stratomatic says "NY basketball is back"

      I haven’t seen any reports that Lee is in the block. There was a report they are looking to move O’Quinn, but my most trusted source says he hasn’t even heard that. It looks to me like nothing is going on yet. The O’Quinn report may be speculation based on common sense and not from an actual source.

    37. dtrickey

      Given what Lee and KOQ are as players, I would take either a late first or under 25 player/s and maybe some 2nds. Ultimately when you look back in hindsight, you probably aren’t going to sweat too much if you miss on the player you draft with a potential pick or a young player doesn’t work out like you would if you traded a franchise player. I mean you obviously want it to work, but really when you talk about moving Lee and KOQ it’s about giving yourself the opportunity to add more youth to the core and take a bit of cash off the books.

    38. 2FOR18, understands math

      I’d like to steal Julius Randle from the Lakers, but I don’t see a match (ie we have nobody they want)

    39. TheOakmanCometh

      If Zing truly is worn out, it has to be a medical condition. No NBA player hits a wall after 20 games. Better conditioning or “manning up” is not going to solve the problem.

      While the medical staff tries to figure it out, I strongly encourage them to SIT HIM every few games to keep him fresh. This is precisely the kind of thing that smart teams do when the win total doesn’t mean that much. Sacrifice the meaningless present for the meaningful future, and if you add a couple ping pong balls along the way, even better.

    40. ess-dog

      I think we could get Vonleh and a 2nd from Portland for Beasley. The Blazers would be smart to get under the tax line, they need bench scoring, and Vonleh is more of a true 4 and has been pretty good thus far (Portland is deep at the 4).

      The Cavs and Wiz could both use a rim protector like O’Quinn. I would do Frye, Osman and a 2nd for O’Quinn and the chance to dump Thomas’ contract.

      The Bucks could use Lee’s shooting, but they probably won’t give up anything worthwhile unless Parker became an option.

      Lee has at least been decent in a position of need. We really need to dump Lance and thin the herd at the center position. That should be the priority.

    41. TheOakmanCometh

      The Lou Williams trade last year is helpful in measuring Lee’s value. Lou is slightly better than Lee overall, 2 years younger, and making $5m less per year. So overall his value was higher then than Lee’s is now. But all the Lakers got back for him was a very late 1st, while also having to take back Corey Brewer’s bad contract.

      By that measure, the Knicks won’t even get a 1st for him. We’re looking at a 2nd rounder and matching salary. Kind of depressing.

    42. Stratomatic says "NY basketball is back"

      The Cavs and Wiz could both use a rim protector like O’Quinn. I would do Frye, Osman and a 2nd for O’Quinn and the chance to dump Thomas’ contract.

      I think the Cavs could use Lee more than O’Quinn. They have Tristan Thompson on the bench now. JR Smith is declining and Shumpert is always hurt and not good enough. Lee would be perfect for them, but they may be reluctant to commit to 2 more years after this given that James might walk.

    43. swiftandabundant

      @ 44 – we’re close to halfway through the season, that’s more than 20 games.

      I think he just made an off the cuff comment. I don’t feel like his drop off this year is due to him being anemic. I think its due to him being the number one option, facing more double teams and not having Hardaway to lighten the load offensively. This is all good for him.

      Again, if this was a warriors blog midway through Curry’s third season we’d all be talking about how he’s injury prone and not a franchise player. Lets chill out a bit.

    44. Brian Cronin

      Again, if this was a warriors blog midway through Curry’s third season we’d all be talking about how he’s injury prone and not a franchise player. Lets chill out a bit.

      If we were a Detroit blog midway through Darko Milicic’s third season, we’d all be talking about how he isn’t very good, so I guess Porzingis is going to suck.

      In other words, you can’t just pick some random ass player without any relation to Kristaps Porzingis’ career and say, “Curry became great in his fourth year, so stop criticizing Porzingis.” The comparison is mind-boggling inane.

    45. TheOakmanCometh

      @ 44 – we’re close to halfway through the season, that’s more than 20 games.

      His slide started much earlier. He’s only admitting it now, but we all saw it happening before.

      In fact, I overestimated when I said 20 games. Looking at his game log, his performance actually fell off after 11 games. After Game 11, he didn’t hit more than half of his shots again until Game 23.

    46. TheOakmanCometh

      I wonder if the Cavs would trade Osman and Shump (one year left at $11m) for Lee. Lee would help them. Shump might not even play in the Finals.

    47. Brian Cronin

      I wonder if the Cavs would trade Osman and Shump (one year left at $11m) for Lee. Lee would help them. Shump might not even play in the Finals.

      Osman and Frye would be a sweet deal for the Knicks, especially if they could get a second thrown in there, too.

    48. ClashFan

      Oh yeah, if the Cavs would give Osman, a 2nd, and Shump for Lee, I’d jump at that and let Osman and McD share the three.

      Surely OQ will be dealt. He’s a useful player and could help any number of teams. He’s gonna get a chance for a payday (maybe he’ll be disappointed, but he needs to try), so he’ll opt out after this season. The Knicks really need to give Willy and even Noah some time. Unless a good surprise offer comes in for Kanter, OQ most logically will and should be dealt.

      It’s just a matter of what for. No way a 1st rounder, but maybe a 2nd or a decent young wing or PG prospect that a team doesn’t really need?

      Lee to New Orleans??

    49. Jack Bauer

      Less than halfway through the season and KP is tired already and wearing down? SMH.

      I don’t recall this particular issue with any other professional athlete. Maybe Jowles can check his archives to see if there is another similar case.

    50. Stratomatic says "Beasley should be the Knicks #1 Scoring Option Ha Ha"

      I’m just unveiling my new forum name.

    51. swiftandabundant

      @ 51 – sure I can. I just did. : )

      My point is just that we shouldn’t throw him under the bus bc he’s struggling as the number one option for the first time in his career and has played the last month without our second option (and our best 3 point shooter, best fast break guy, best dude who can attack the rim, etc.) Hardaway being out has REALLY hurt us and I think we are just kind of glossing over it like its not a big deal. We all want KP to pass more out of the double team but when you pass it to JJ or Lance and they brick an open 3 or worse don’t even take it…that’s just as bad. Hardaway not only provides outside shooting, fast break opportunities, etc…but it also means less minutes for Baker (and Lance).

      Also I bet KP’s minutes have gone up in the last month since Hardaway has been out. Horns needs to rest him more I believe.

      I don’t know. I guess this is all good for us in the long run as if this slide continues we’ll go into tank mode and maybe trade some dudes away for picks or prospects. But I think his comments were off the cuff cause he was legitimately tired after two losses back to back and traveling. He’ll be fine.

    52. Z-man

      What’s strange is that he so casually admitted to being tired. I’d be embarrassed to do so (and I would expect most professional athletes would) unless he were playing 40+ mpg in a busy stretch or with double OT games or something like that.

    53. nicos

      KP played the entire first quarters of both of the last two games- that’s the first thing I’d change. Have him play no more than 8 minutes at a stretch, cap him at 30-32 minutes a night and then see where he is at the all-star break. KP’s basically stunk since mid-November (.495 TS% on 31% usage, 11% rebound rate) so it’s not like you’re making the team that much worse by not giving him 36 minutes a night.

    54. Stratomatic says "Beasley should be the Knicks #1 Scoring Option Ha Ha"

      @59 He realizes he’s playing poorly and is trying to deflect some of the heat that comes with high expectations by making excuses. First it was the refs not calling fouls that were altering his shot. Now it’s that he’s tired. The latter was a mistake. He didn’t realize that an athlete saying he’s tired is an admission of weakness that people might jump on just as much as his bad shooting.

      I’m glad I never had to deal with this kind of pressure at 22.

      More important is figuring out why this is the 3rd season in a row he faded fairly quickly after a huge start. I buy that Hardaway being out is part of it and that dealing with double teams is proving difficult for him because he’s not a natural passer. There are stats that back those assertions up and it makes sense. But that kind of stuff accounts for a drop in TS%. It doesn’t really account for why a 22 year old athlete gets gassed before the all star break every year.

    55. Z-man

      I’m glad I never had to deal with this kind of pressure at 22.

      At age 22 I was making like $200 a week and happy to have it! Kinda hard to relate to the “pressure” of being a millionaire star athlete.I also have it on extremely good authority that KP is getting lots of “action” at night. Maybe that’s why he’s so tired.

      To whine about being tired while guys on your bench would gladly play 48 minutes per night is an incredibly stupid PR move.

    56. Stratomatic says "Beasley should be the Knicks #1 Scoring Option Ha Ha"

      I also have it on extremely good authority that KP is getting lots of “action” at night. Maybe that’s why he’s so tired.

      OK, so maybe I would have been willing to deal with a little extra pressure for that reward. :-)

    57. Brian Cronin

      At age 22 I was making like $200 a week and happy to have it! Kinda hard to relate to the “pressure” of being a millionaire star athlete.I also have it on extremely good authority that KP is getting lots of “action” at night. Maybe that’s why he’s so tired.

      Can you imagine how guys like Clyde Frazier would do nowadays when athletes only have to go into their DMs to find hookups?

    58. Z-man

      Yeah, Clyde was truly iconic in that regard, Although in terms of never being tired despite prodigious numbers both on and off the court, no one compared to Wilt!

    59. Bruno Almeida

      Well, when I was 22 I had little to no pressure working at a shit newspaper as a graphic designer, but I sure wish I had KP’s salary and advertisement deals so yeah, I guess it’s some kind of trade off.

      One thing that bothers me about the “I’m so tired” thing is that it can possibly hint at other stuff, either directed at Horny or the front office.. We know his brother won’t restrain himself from meddling, so it’s not a huge step for this to become a tirade on how the Knicks need to get help for him and go all in on keeping him happy.

    60. Z-man

      So right now, we are 3 games in the win column out of the 8 spot in the draft, and 5 wins out of the #6 spot. this next two weeks is critical in terms of possibilities for tanking. We’ve quietly lost 7 of 9, so you could say that the tank is on already. I think we have an outside chance of going 4-13 during the upcoming stretch, which would put us at 22-33 at the trade deadline. If we dump some vets, maybe we are 22-37 at the break. That would be something! But most likely we’ll be something like 24-31 at the deadline, which is really no-man’s land..not low low enough to give up on playoff hopes. It’s almost like we need a rash of minor injuries to happen in the next couple of games.

    61. djphan

      i knew as soon as kp made those comments ppl will blow it out of proportion… .i don’t think there’s any good reason to read more into it…. it was a b2b… the games were pretty physical… and he didn’t play all that well….

      he’s gone through this before… unless this is a new ailment or his anemia popping up this is a non-issue….

      he probably should have chose his words more carefully…. but in the end it’s most likely not going to matter in the long run….

    62. thenoblefacehumper

      I mentioned these as possible reasons in @8 but is it reasonable that a multi billion dollar organization with unlimited resources with a potential multi hundred million dollar asset with a history of anemia hasn’t explored possibilities that a 65 yr old non physician could divine in 30 seconds? I just can’t imagine they are that dumb.

      What scares me is, and I’m not even making the easy “lol knicks” joke here, I can imagine them being that dumb. We’ve never been known to place emphasis on our medical staff and with all the front office turnover this summer it very easily could’ve been overlooked. I really, really hope they’re at least looking into whether or not there’s a real problem.

      Other than that, I fully support having Porzingis on the Embiid schedule indefinitely. Basically have him be questionable more or less every game. It’s not like we need to win and if he’s going to be Carmelstaps Anthingis he doesn’t help much with that anyway.

    63. dtrickey

      What scares me is, and I’m not even making the easy “lol knicks” joke here, I can imagine them being that dumb. We’ve never been known to place emphasis on our medical staff and with all the front office turnover this summer it very easily could’ve been overlooked.

      IIRC there were talks about the Knicks medical staff prior to Amare signing. I think at the time Phoenix had a very well regarded medical team who threw up a lot of red flags about his knees when talking about contracts, and it was floated around that the Knicks staff may not be well suited to deal with it. I don’t think the staff has changed much since them, or at the very least Rodger Hinds is still at the helm.

    64. ess-dog

      Why? I think base strength is imperative for a big man, no? I mean, I hope he’s doing high-intensity training, too, because that will keep him from feeling “gassed”. A high-fat diet (to a degree, and the right kind of fat) sounds fine for a guy that runs that much. I’m pretty sure he can find a better one-on-one coach that Janis, but maybe not one that will care as much!

    65. kevin5318

      Yeah that article didn’t really worry me at all. Unless KP is dumb enough to get caught up in some supplement scandal.

    66. 2FOR18, understands math

      Nba tv has 1990 knicks celtics playoff game. Johnny Newman doing what Johnny Newman do.

    67. Bruno Almeida

      It’s scary for me because well, we’re discussing what the Knicks staff have been doing and how good they are, when in fact it might have not much to do with them in the strength / stamina department which is clearly still lacking. Second, well, the involvement with the dead Orioles pitcher is not a nice thing to have on your resume.

      I don’t know, I know it’s common for top level players to have all kinds of personal trainers, but this one felt weird to read. Might just be my paranoid self.

    68. Cock Jowles, Living through the Melo Era All Over Again

      What about sleeping on flights and in hotels, and adjusting to time-zone changes? Is that something teams monitor closely?

    69. Grocer

      Can KP get proper sized beds on the road? Is he chartering his own plane to have space for a 7’3″ lay flat?

    70. JK47

      It’s not like we need to win and if he’s going to be Carmelstaps Anthingis he doesn’t help much with that anyway.

      Not bad but I still prefer my own configuration “Krischucks Pointzzingis”

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