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Friday, December 15, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.11.29)

  • [NYPost] Enes Kanter doesn’t let LeBron live down first-career ejection
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 5:01:27 PM)

    Whenever LeBron James falters, you can bet Enes Kanter is lurking in the shadows. The Knicks center who has been publicly feuding with James all season mocked the Cavaliers superstar on Twitter after he was ejected from a game Tuesday night for the first time in his career. “King of Cleveland,” read Kanter’s post, in…

  • [NYPost] Hornacek hints this Knicks big-man glut cannot last
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:43:13 PM)

    With Enes Kanter set to return from a three-game absence, the questions as to what the Knicks will do about their logjam at center continue to loom. Primary backup Kyle O’Quinn earned three straight starts as Kanter sat with back spasms, while Willy Hernangomez got more than garbage time and Joakim Noah finally made his…

  • [NYPost] Hornacek’s simple message on Porzingis’ slump: Calm down
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:12:46 PM)

    It couldn’t last forever, even though revitalized Knicks fans allowed themselves to be convinced it could. Kristaps Porzingis was going to come back to Earth. And while his return home from a scarcely inhabited planet of unicorns is not a major cause for concern, it is worth noting. Through his first 11 games, Porzingis averaged…

  • [NYPost] Enes Kanter’s sudden mood shift is good news for Knicks
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:47:47 AM)

    During the fourth quarter of a 103-91 loss Monday to the Trail Blazers, a teammate turned to Enes Kanter on the bench and delivered an important message. “’Hey you better get healthy soon. We need you bad out there,’” Kanter recalled being told, right before the Knicks dropped their third consecutive game without their center,…

  • [NYDN] Knicks center (of attention) Enes Kanter has said enough
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 8:32:19 PM)

    Enes Kanter’s flaws would be his pick-and-roll defense and that he loves to talk. And talk.

  • [NYDN] Enes Kanter trolls LeBron James after he’s ejected for first time
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:42:50 PM)

    April 9, 2018 can’t get here soon enough.

  • [NYDN] Enes Kanter warned by Knicks for telling teammate to ‘fight’
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:51:10 PM)

    Enes Kanter was warned by the Knicks and may even hear from the league about openly telling a teammate to fight the opponent.

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Kanter sorry for encouraging fighting
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:14:06 PM)

    Enes Kanter was admonished by the Knicks’ front office Tuesday after he told a New York teammate to “fight” the Trail Blazers in the team’s Monday loss. Kanter says he’s learning: “This is my second language. When I say fight it mean compete, play hard.”

  • [SNY Knicks] Kanter practiced on Tuesday after missing last three games
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:10:33 PM)

    Kanter is hoping to return on Wednesday night against the Heat. The Knicks have lost all three games he has missed.

  • [NY Newsday] Enes Kanter mocks LeBron James’ ejection on Twitter
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:57:00 PM)

    After 1,297 career games and 51,147 career minutes, Cleveland Cavaliers forward LeBron James was ejected from an NBA game for the first time on Tuesday. James got the boot for using foul language while arguing a non-call with referee Kane Fitzgerald. Apparently the Twitter fingers of Knicks center Enes Kanter, who has been out with lingering back spasms, were feeling just fine.

  • [NY Newsday] Enes Kanter probable to play for Knicks Wednesday against Heat
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:25:00 PM)

    Enes Kanter was working on his post moves after practice, showing no sign of lingering issues from back spasms that kept him out of the past three games.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis still dealing with right elbow issue for Knicks
    (Tuesday, November 28, 2017 6:32:45 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — Kristaps Porzingis said his back is fine, but his right elbow continues to hamper him.

  • [NYTimes] Clippers’ Blake Griffin Could Miss Two Months to Knee Injury
    (Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:32:08 AM)

    Griffin sustained a medial collateral ligament sprain in a victory over the Lakers on Monday, dealing another setback to the injury-riddled Clippers.

  • 39 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.11.29)

    1. KJG

      Can someone remind me what Rons deal is. Not his healthy contract deal. But what his role is currently … is he hurt is he not hurt does he just stink. I realize I can google this and I will… this post is worthless but I’m submitting it. Thanks

    2. Bruno Almeida

      @1

      I guess it’s just a case of not really a NBA player getting a NBA contract because he hustled and scrapped when nobody else did on his team, but now we kinda have some dudes hustling and scrapping so his only skill is sorta useless, and nagging injuries.

    3. kevin5318

      @Al_Iannazzone
      Knicks assign Joakim Noah and Damyean Dotson to Westchester for this morning’s game. Both are expected back for knicks game vs. Miami tonight.

    4. swiftandabundant

      Wow, so the D-League plays games in the morning? And its possible to get “sent down” to the D-Leauge and come back up that day to play that night?

      That’s kind of cool actually because neither of those guys would get heavy minutes in a game, so even if they played a decent amount of minutes in the D-League game today they could still provide some minutes tonight if needed.

      More and more I really hope Noah can make it into the regular rotation and be the back up big off the bench. He seems healthy. And if he can be the number one back up big and do what he’s good at historically, it will help us out A LOT. Mainly because we can feel ok about letting KQ go or trading him (maybe with Lee?) for something back. Noah is untradeable right now so we might as well use him and healthy, on paper, he should be our best big besides Kanter. We could use his toughness, his defense, his rebounding, his hustle. It also would mean that Willie could then get some minutes.

    5. Grocer

      From last thread:

      My rationale for sending him down is to get him some experience doing something he’s never done before at any level, which is to play 35+ minutes a game as his team’s lead guard.

      My concern with this is that it takes several years for guys who’ve been playing PG to learn how to do it effectively in the NBA. The level of play is so different that I worry if we send him down to learn he’ll have to learn all over again when he comes back up and it’ll tack a year onto the process without any substantial benefits.

    6. DRed

      My concern with this is that it takes several years for guys who’ve been playing PG to learn how to do it effectively in the NBA. The level of play is so different that I worry if we send him down to learn he’ll have to learn all over again when he comes back up and it’ll tack a year onto the process without any substantial benefits.

      It’s really hard to know what the answer here is. Is it better for player development to play 19 minutes a night in the NBA or 34 minutes a night in the G-league. Does it vary by player?

    7. d-mar

      They seriously play G-League games on weekday mornings? Who’s their target audience, the unemployed and kids playing hooky from school?

      Weird.

    8. hoolahoop

      The knicks have a logjam at the center position. That’s an asset to be exploited by trading for a piece that fits better into their long term plans.
      They should be working hard to get what they can for a KOQ package, while they can.

    9. Z-man

      Re: Frank and G-League, I’m only talking about a few games here and there, not a long-term stint. And if his only problem was shooting, I’d be less inclined to send him down, but he’s really a mess right now. We’re a stats-centric site here at KB and there is no getting around his current trend in his stats. Statistically speaking, he’s a mess across the board right now.

    10. Grocer

      Oh yeah, if there’s a gap for sure send him down and let him work out shit in a less tense environment. I just think he best overall development bet is regular minutes with the real team.

    11. Grocer

      Who’s their target audience, the unemployed and kids playing hooky from school?

      The Knicks front office is probably the only audience they care much about.

    12. Bruno Almeida

      @13

      I do agree, but everyone who’s stats oriented also argue that sample sizes matter and that statistical comparisons matter.

      The sample size is small, and the comparisons are not so bad. 19 year old PGs are fucking terrible 99% of the time. Frank’s steals and assists stats are still decent, even though you have argued many times these are less important in gauging whether he’ll be good as a PG in the future, to which I disagree but understand the point.

      If every 19 year old PG was playing better, then Ntilikina’s terrible stats would be more meaningful, because he would be way below average in terms to the relative expected production of a 19 year old guard. I still don’t think that’s the case. That’s why comparing him to his peers is useful, just like adjusting ts% values when a .550 ts% is not good today but could be considered good in the early 2000s.

    13. swiftandabundant

      @ 8 – but that would be ok in some ways. I mean we’re hoping he’s the back up, not the starter and because he can’t stay healthy it could mean more minute for Willie (if we traded KQ). I feel like it could be a win win. Healthy Noah is our best big besides Kanter but he’d have to be limited in his minutes so if there was no KQ then Willie could get some consistent burn every game.

      So much is dependent on Noah actually being healthy but he looked ok in those few minutes the other night. I’m rooting for the guy. It sucks he’s been so bad for us because he was such a great player in his prime.

    14. hoolahoop

      This is going to be a tough game tonight – out hustling a team that’s identified with that style since Pat Riley showed up
      I remember an interview with Riley when he was the knicks coach. He demanded the team to be first to every loose ball and rebound.

    15. Mike Honcho

      I’m kind of intrigued by tonight’s game. Battle of the .500 and all. If Kanter comes back and Noah plays, that might give us the edge. Also, I’m curious to see if Kanter truly is the difference maker for our team atm. His absence in the last few games and the results in those games have indicated that he very well might be.

    16. Donnie Walsh

      Like I said yesterday, I haven’t seen Frank Whateverhislastnameis play, but the thought of having a shooting guard that can’t shoot (especially in this shooting-heavy era) isn’t very appetizing. It seems like the team kind of needs to make him a PG, even if it takes a while.

      I mean, I guess Cleveland has won a championship with Shumpert at the 2, so there’s that. (But LeBron pretty much played every position at the same time on that team).

      Maybe if he can’t play the 1, a guy like Avery Bradley could be a model for Frank? Bradley came into the league as a defensive 2 guard that struggled with his shot and he’s become a decent enough shooter to be a valuable player on some very good teams. But, man, outside of Bradley, who else is there to look at to be excited about?

    17. Totes McGoats Makes 18mil For 14ppg

      Let’s all face it- if not for Kanter’s breakout season of sorts, a healthy Noah was always going to be the starting C. As far as the rest of the bigs, I agree KOQ needs to be traded while his value is peaking. I’m a little on the fence about Willy. I’m sure Perry can extract a good asset from another team for Willy, as Kanter has made him practically expendable. But I don’t know if I would like to see him traded. At the same time, Kanter makes ALOT. Is the team ready to pay Kanter 20-plus mil a year? Granted, there aren’t many centers playing as well or better than Kanter. The ones that are, are definitely worth that much- even Drummond. So I guess the question really is, do we want to pay Kanter this big raise he’s got coming? Or should we continue to count on Willy’s development? Either way, a big has to be moved because all 4 centers deserve minutes

    18. Ben R

      I don’t think Noah was ever being looked upon to be the starter this year. If we hadn’t gotten Kanter it would have been Willy and O’Quinn. The only way Noah was getting in the rotation was injury or bad play. Noah is the previous regimes mistake and I think he always was going to be on the outside looking in.

    19. Hubert

      People are killing me, talking about changing Frank’s position already. He is an extremely promising point guard prospect. Go back and look at Gary Payton’s rookie year. Look at Chauncey Billups’.

      I’ve mentioned this study Kevin Pelton did a lot this year. For whatever reason, taller PG’s tend to take longer to develop, whereas the small quick guys like Dennis Smith or Damon Stoudemire tend to peak very early.

      Here’s the chart:

      http://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F0602%2Fr215036_576x324_16%2D9.png&w=570

      Notice that it doesn’t even START until age 23!!!!! And none of those guys were learning how to live in America at the same time, too!

      We’ve got a long way to go with Frank. He’s pretty shitty right now. But it’s ok to back off the ledge.

      (You can read the whole article here: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19525455/kevin-pelton-weekly-mailbag-including-point-guard-career-arcs )

    20. geo

      no doubt this is going to be a wild up and down ride in terms of player and team performance this year…

      who knows what will happen tonight…

      good to read noah went down to the g league to get some action…definitely rooting for him to get back on the court and play well…

      also good to hear kp got himself a personal physiotherapist…keep him healthy Manolo…

      interesting discussion on frank the last couple of days…since he got sick his play definitely took a dip…

      no doubt he’s one of my favorite players to watch each game…hopefully in a couple of years we’ll look back on this season as a big learning experience for him…really glad he’s our rookie…hope he stays healthy…

    21. d-mar

      I think we all need to chill on passing judgment on rookies after 20 odd games.

      The Laurie Markkanen bandwagon was full to overflowing after his first few games. Here’s his last 5:

      4-17, 1-9, 4-16, 4-10, 4-15

      But I’m not going to write the guy off, he may end up being another Kyle Korver, or maybe better. It’s just too early to tell, and that’s my point about all these young guys.

    22. GoldClub

      “Here’s Kristaps Porzingis on his new approach to training in season this year: “What I’ve done this year is I’m putting a lot less work on the basketball court. I’m working a lot less I would say than the years before, trying to save all my energy and putting that in the weight room and getting as much rest as possible. That’s the key for me, staying strong during the season. If I can maintain my body compact and strong then all the physicality is not going to drain me as much. It’s all about me lifting and getting rest.”
      —–
      This is 100% true. There is absolutely no way a guy with KP’s body type can put on muscle while playing a lot of basketball. Lift 4 times a week max and need rest days.

    23. GoNyGoNyGo

      @23 – Hubert, I’ll help you carry that banner and wave that flag. WTF? Are you guys all ready to jump off the roof because our 19-year old kid from a foreign land and a different style of play is struggling a bit? Jeeze Louise! Chillax guys. 2 years. We have to give the kid 2 full years. He’s barely old enough to drive. He’s not old enough to drink. Did you think he would come from Europe and be CP3 on day 1?

      With every bad pass and every brick he chucks I just sit back and take a deep breath. Those are mistakes he’ll stop making.

      What I actually want is for him to start playing 30 minutes a game. He needs practice, practice, practice and he needs to work in the off-season. I’m more interested in the 22-year old Ntilikina than the 19-year old version.

    24. dtrickey

      Noah and Dotson with nice lines in the G-League. Noah had 9pts, 5 boards, 4 assists and a block in about 22 minutes. Dotson with 23 points on 8-14 shooting. Dotson played about 40 minutes, so I doubt he will see much against Miami.

      Whiteside also confirmed out, which will help with Kanter coming back in.

    25. nicos

      The thing with Frank is it’d be really nice to know if he’s the point guard of the future by the end of the year when the Knicks will most likely have a mid to late lottery pick.

    26. hoolahoop

      “Here’s Kristaps Porzingis on his new approach to training in season this year: “What I’ve done this year is I’m putting a lot less work on the basketball court. I’m working a lot less I would say than the years before, trying to save all my energy and putting that in the weight room and getting as much rest as possible. That’s the key for me, staying strong during the season. If I can maintain my body compact and strong then all the physicality is not going to drain me as much. It’s all about me lifting and getting rest.”

      —————-
      After a game I interviewed Oakley at his prime with the knicks. He told me he did a lot of weight training during the season. I expressed surprise. He replied, “The way they bang in this league, I gotta do it.”

      Of the millions and millions of guys playing basketball, these are the best of the best – the strongest, fastest, most athletic in the world.

    27. djphan

      frank needs to play at the nba level… if he wasn’t playing at all then i would be all for sending him down to the g league but there’s really no one blocking him and us losing some games isn’t the end of the world….

      sample sizes are small but there are things that we have enough of a sample on to judge his current skill level and his 2p fg % and ftr are the obvious problem areas and they are both related…

      it’s not impossible to recover from but it’s one of the harder things to get better on…

      also dennis smith is a good handful of inches taller than stoudamire…

    28. hoolahoop

      The problem with drafting 19 year olds that are projects is that by the time their 23 and developed, you have to pay them. It kind of defeats the purpose of drafting them. The best contracts are the first few years.

    29. hoolahoop

      Frank needs to work on two things every day of his life.
      1 – Getting to the hole.
      2 – Knocking down 3’s

      If he masters that, he’ll be a beast. If he doesn’t, he’ll never start for a good team.

    30. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      Then who is backup point guard? Maybe we’ll see Baker? Someone has to defend Dragic.

    31. geo

      After a game I interviewed Oakley at his prime with the knicks. He told me he did a lot of weight training during the season. I expressed surprise. He replied, “The way they bang in this league, I gotta do it.”

      well that’s pretty freaking cool hoolahoop…relatively speaking – was it an easy or tough interview?

    32. Stratomatic says "NY basketball is back"

      The problem with drafting 19 year olds that are projects is that by the time their 23 and developed, you have to pay them. It kind of defeats the purpose of drafting them. The best contracts are the first few years.

      Excellent point.

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