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Knicks Morning News (2017.10.27)

  • [NYTimes] Checking In on the Nonconformist New Orleans Pelicans
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:14:58 PM)

    How are they doing with their towering frontcourt of DeMarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis? “Ay, we good,” Cousins says.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Another N.B.A. 7-Footer, Trying to Keep Up, Ventures Into 3-Point Land
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 10:00:16 AM)

    The Nets’ Timofey Mozgov was encouraged to take more deep shots, after Coach Kenny Atkinson got a scouting report from the team’s owner.

  • [NYPost] Knicks fans finally will get a look at Frank Ntilikina
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 10:09:31 PM)

    Frank Ntilikina is excited. And ready. But most importantly, he’s healthy. So the Knicks’ rookie, picked No. 8 overall, is expected to make his home debut against the Nets on Friday. Ntilikina missed the past two games with a sprained left ankle. A sore knee kept him out of summer league and a bruised knee…

  • [NYPost] Why Michael Rapaport won’t shoot hoops with George Clooney
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:19:15 PM)

    Michael Rapaport is an actor and director who is also known for his pop-culture commentary. The 47-year-old native New Yorker — currently starring in Netflix’s “Atypical,” appearing on Showtime’s “White Famous” and hosting a podcast for Barstool Sports — can now add author to his résumé. His new book “This Book Has Balls: Sports Rants…

  • [NYPost] The Knicks swear this practice is just what they needed
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:46:18 AM)

    So now they apparently know what’s going on with the playbook. Just two days after players admitted confusion and disarray with the offense, the Knicks were going the opposite way and insisted a solid practice Thursday would go a long way in fixing what’s wrong with their world. Well, they can prove it at home…

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Frank Ntilikina ready to return Friday against Nets
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:18:12 PM)

    Rookie point guard Frank Ntilikina will be back on the court Friday when the Knicks host the Nets at Madison Square Garden.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks Insider podcast: Team needs to get it together — and fast
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:15:37 PM)

    The Knicks are off to an 0-3 start, and things already seem to look ominous.

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Ntilikina (ankle) expected to play Friday
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:04:39 PM)

    Knicks’ Ntilikina (ankle) expected to play Friday

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Frank Ntilikina to return from injury Friday against Nets
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:29:49 PM)

    Frank Ntilikina discusses being ready to go for Friday’s game against the Nets and Jeff Hornacek talks about Ntilikina’s energy and passion.

  • [SNY Knicks] Are the Knicks the worst team in the NBA?
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:00:12 PM)

    In their three games, the Knicks are averaging losses by 15 PPG. The home opener against the Pistons where they only lost by four and scored 107 was a game where they blew a 21-point lead.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks talk about lack of effort and confusion amidst 0-3 start
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:00:48 PM)

    The Knicks are off to a winless start in their first three games of the season, and they have noticed it is entirely on them.

  • [SNY Knicks] Frank Ntilikina expected to play Friday against Nets
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:00:16 PM)

    Frank Ntilikina (sprained ankle) did not practice Monday, and is unlikely to play against the Celtics Tuesday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Former Michigan PG Trey Burke excited to show Knicks what he can do
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:30:00 AM)

    When Trey Burke was originally drafted with the No. 9 pick by the Minnesota Timberwolves out of Michigan in the 2013 NBA Draft, he never figured he’d end up in the NBA G League.

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    60 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.10.27)

    1. Frank

      Apparently people think the Knicks are on fire. We certainly haven’t been good, but honestly, we’ve played 3 games, 2 of which were against legit title contenders in their buildings, and we blew a 21 point lead in the other game. But — in order to blow a 21 point lead, you have to be good enough to HAVE that in the first place.

      That said – I feel semi-certain already that Hornacek is not the answer as coach. I would not necessarily be upset if he got the boot and we brought on Mills’s BFF David Blatt, who has a long history of success internationally and of course with Cleveland. At the very least in that case, we’d have a front office and coach that are completely aligned, and a guy who has a very strong reputation on both sides of the ball.

    2. Z-man

      (reposting from end of last thread…)

      The Nets will almost certainly beat us because they will outhustle us and physically intimidate us. We don’t have a single physically imposing player on the team. We’re a bunch of somewhat talented nice guys who don’t like to mix it up in the b-ball trenches, or aren’t suited for it. We have no answer for hustle/banger type wings…guys like Booker, H-J, and Carroll, and less so Crabbe and LeVert. As Kobe put it, we are softer than m-f-in’ Charmin. We are gonna be physically overmatched almost every night.

      The one guy who likes to bang is Baker. Maybe WHG and O’Quinn, , but they’re both C’s and a little slow on the uptake when it comes to dealing with physical fast wings. Maybe Dotson and Frank, but they’re guards and so green they probably will not be able to stay on the court.

      And then there’s Noah. If healthy, he has to play if the team wants to even have a chance to win vs. teams like the Nets. But hey, who wants to win?

      Our only chance tonight is to get crazy hot while the Nets are ice cold. Maybe THjr snaps out of his funk, or KP goes off for 40, but I doubt it makes a difference.

    3. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      If we had Blatt and drafted Doncic we’d Euro Ball the world into a comma.

      While the Knicks continue to lose, I’m going to be spending a lot of energy watching this year’s draft prospects. I don’t have any confidence in our ability to land the first pick in the draft, but this is a great year to not be the worst team in the NBA. After watching a whole bunch of film on Luka Doncic, I’m certain he will not be picked #1 overall. He’s an excellent basketball player and his IQ is off the charts, but he does not physically dominate the game and that will drop him down in a draft with Michael Porter Jr, Marvin Bagley, Mo Bamba, and maybe even Colin Sexton due to concerns about his ceiling. That’s awesome because his ability to be a full time ball handler would work well in a back court with Frank Ntilikina, who also has a high IQ and ability to play off the ball.

      Don’t believe the hype. We’re not going to out tank Atlanta, Chicago, and Phoenix. The best part is we don’t need to and we can still land Doncic. Doncic is the consensus #1 pick right now because nobody else is playing. Physicality, familiarity, American bias, and higher ceilings will entice teams to pick a few stateside blue chips over Doncic.

      As for tonight’s game? The Knicks and Nets always play each other hard so I expect it to be close and for Kanter to have his second big game in a row. I just need Frank to play 15+ minutes.

    4. swiftandabundant

      Yeah the press misconstruing Lee’s line about players not knowing the plays and needing to pay attention more is a great example of why a rebuild is hard in the NYC market, at least for The Knicks. That was a pretty stock answer for an athlete to give early in the season when his team is struggling. yet it was turned into the players are tuning Horns out and grumbling, etc. When it really wasn’t that at all. Every little thing is dissected and misinterpreted in order to create drama. The FO really has to remain strong and ignore that stuff.

    5. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      I think this team would improve fairly quickly if we had a play making PG that could defend and a SF that could defend without being a zero on offense.

      Maybe Nitty will solve the first problem. I doubt he’s ready to do that now, but it doesn’t really matter because we want a good draft pick anyway. It will be enough to see that the talent and skills are there and just need to be refined. However, if he doesn’t look like a true play making PG, then we have an issue. We could turn him into more of a play making wing, but then what do we do with that bad Hardaway contract.

      We don’t even have a player that can step into that SF slot. We have to get one. I still think Harkless was the kind of guy that might have helped a bit, but that’s spilled milk. I see no way around it. As much as I like KOQ coming off the bench and Willy starting, we won’t be able to trade Kanter. KOQ has to go. If we could get a similar quality/price SF that defends, that’s a good move. It’s not so much that I don’t like Kanter, but he should be coming off bench, he does not fill a need, and we are stuck with him for 2 years at a big price.

    6. DRed

      We’re last in the league in 3 point %, which doesn’t surprise me, but it was surprising to see that the second worst team is the Rockets. That offense is going to really start humming when the 3’s start falling.

      We’re also not attempting many 3s-I don’t know if that’s by design or because our offense can’t generate open looks.

    7. Frank

      I can’t imagine it’s from design – Hornacek has said many times that he wants 3 point shots.

      At least a little of it is that Courtney Lee NEVER takes a 3 unless he is really really wide open – like 10 feet of space. He loves to pump fake and then drive it. I do not know why that is.

    8. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      I think it’s play making. Good play making generates higher efficiency shots. Look at our team. If you were going to make a list of things most of our key players need to improve on (besides defense), play making would be on it for most (other than maybe O’Quinn who is pretty good relative to most centers).

    9. thenamestsam

      2 of which were against legit title contenders in their buildings

      C’mon man. This is selling it way too hard. The Celtics are going to win like 45 games.

    10. swiftandabundant

      @ 5 – why does KQ have to go? I mean, if you’re talking about fixing this roster NOW, then I get it. But if we’re talking long term building here, isn’t this short-sighted? Kanter has a player option. Sure, he probably won’t get 18 million a year on his next contract, but he could very easily opt out to get a new contract for 4 years at like 10 million a year and make more overall money than if he opts in and gets injured next year. So I think most likely he opts out, in which case we can let him walk but hopefully we trade him at the deadline for something. If that happens, maybe we resign KQ to a similar contract he has now. Of course Noah will be a problem but he’s a sunk cost and at the most he’s a back up big right now anyways. Maybe the front office decides to stretch him after this year. If they did that (Kanter doesn’t resign or is traded and Noah is stretched), then it gets rid of the center log jam and we could move forward with a KQ, Willie and KP center rotation with KP also playing the 4 some.

      I’m not saying that is the route we should go. Heck, Kanter might be worth resigning for the right price. But I just don’t see the rush to trade KQ, who plays his role well, is a Queens native and likes playing here, and isn’t very expensive.

    11. 2FOR18, understands math

      I think the Bulls are the only team we can’t out tank. Phoenix has decent enough guards, TJ Warren and enough 3 point shooting to win some games, plus a lot of young forwards who might improve, and Atlanta has decent guards and a decent frontcourt in Taurean Prince, John Collins and Dedmon – i.e. a sensible line-up.

      This 5 center, 5 2 guard team construction the Knicks came up with was a stroke of tankastic genius. I think some are underestimating just how poorly this team is constructed.

    12. GoNyGoNyGo

      @5 –

      I think this team would improve fairly quickly if we had a play making PG that could defend and a SF that could defend without being a zero on offense.

      So let’s say that Ntilikina is that PG and that he needs a full year of suck and study before he’s got value. And let’s say that we draft Doncic who’s a 2/3. Can we suddenly become good? That’s my hope.

      @6 – The fact that we’re not chucking up 3’s is surprising. KP, McBuckets, Lee and Hardaway are all legit 3-point shooters. I think the problem is getting those guys open on the perimeter. Are we setting good screens? Are we moving to spots? The answer to both is a hard no.

    13. mase

      no one seems to be interested in bledsoe, I hope there is real evaluation happening because he is a player that we may benefit from in the long run

      what is the cost of losing games with young players who need experience being in competitive games for their growth and development( are we hurting the growth of our players? does bledsoe make a difference) vs. what is the cost of getting him ?
      We might HAVE to make an offer that at least includes 1 asset. WHG seems to be the odd man out right now. is he worth passing on bledsoe if the opportunity presents itself in a trade scenario?

    14. DRed

      WHG seems to be the odd man out right now. is he worth passing on bledsoe if the opportunity presents itself in a trade scenario?

      absolutely.

    15. danvt

      Rookie of the year candidate Dennis Smith Jr… 4/14 FG, 0/4 3pt, 1-3 FT, 9 Ast, 4 TO and +3 against the Grizzlies last night. Not saying I told you so, cuz I didn’t. Just saying, maybe summer league and preseason isn’t the true barometer. He was -34 against GSW! Most players are minuses against those guys but to be outscored by 34 when you’re on the court? Ouch.

      Now, I’m not laughing uproariously, though I do think DAL acted like arrogant pigs at draft time and deserve a comeuppance, so I’m not rooting for the kid. He may be good. He may be better than our pick. But it’s not a slam dunk.

      I will say it probably brings to light the problems with giving your offense over to a young kid with no experience. The folks who talked about the problems young PG’s experience were prescient. We should bring Frank along slowly. If he’s ever healthy enough to play, that is.

    16. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      @10

      O’Quinn is a good player. I think he’s a solid backup even on a good team. He also likes NY. But I can’t see him coming back if he’s got to battle for minutes with Noah, Kanter, Hernangomez and even Porzingis. If we don’t trade him, I think we are going to lose him for nothing. If you can find a way to unload Noah or Kanter, I’d way prefer that. But I don’t think that’s going to be easy. These days teams are looking for big men that can stretch the floor AND protect the paint. Noah is an injury question mark that can’t even hit free throws and Kanter can’t do either. They make way too much to be moved without sweetening the deal significantly.

    17. Frank

      btw not to plug another website here but @knicksfilmschool is putting up some really nice material – most recently on THJ, KP’s defense, etc.. worth watching.

    18. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      The folks who talked about the problems young PG’s experience were prescient. We should bring Frank along slowly.

      All I want to see is that he has the handle, athleticism, and play making ability to become a true PG.

      I think I more or less know he has a good enough shot that defenses won’t be able to sag off. In fact, first game air balls notwithstanding, I think he’s going to turn out to be a terrific shooter (certainly spot up).

      A couple of months ago I read an article that discussed an instructor that puts pro players through a series of shooting drills that can evaluate them statistically relative to their peers. I don’t know the details of the test, but it sounded pretty comprehensive. Nitti scored off the charts. He was comparable to established high level pros. So lets take that with a grain of salt and say maybe he just had a really good day. Still, if that report was true, no way he’s going to be a liability on offense once he gets comfortable.

      We have a player. We just don’t know for sure what position he’s going to play long term.

    19. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      btw not to plug another website here but @knicksfilmschool is putting up some really nice material – most recently on THJ, KP’s defense, etc.. worth watching.

      +1

    20. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

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    21. djphan

      @17 … smith is avg’ing over 16pts and 7 assists per 36 with a 2p fg% of .515 and a ftr of .388…. and that’s after one horrible game… him and simmons will likely be neck and neck for roty…

      that’s a high bar for frank to get over….

    22. Bruno Almeida

      @17

      Well, he’s also only 19 and Dallas is a pretty shitty team. Like pretty much everyone in this draft class, outside of maybe Tatum, who got drafted to the by far best team in the lottery and has a specific place for him already, everyone of those rookies should be expected to struggle until they find their footing. The most impressive hss actually been Fox for me, he’s doing a lot on the court for the Kings and looks like an impact player on both ends. Markkanen has been a lot better than I expected, but the Bulls are so damn bad it’s hard to figure out what’s going on with them.

      Like I said many times, it’s gonna be a while until we can make decent judgments about these rookies, but the overreactions will never stop happening and people will keep comparing him to Ntilikina non-stop to feel good about their predictions.

      The one thing I would be scared about Smith is that his defense has been as terrible as advertised and he’s shooting 25% on 3s, while shooting 4 a game. His free throw shooting has been Andre Drummond awful, but that’s bound to be small sample size related only.

    23. danvt

      @23
      OK, I was cherry picking. He shot god awful against MEM and GSW. Other than that I guess he’s been good? He must have been…The only other box score I looked at was low USG and and OK efficiency.

      Maybe I’m wrong. Cue the uproarious laughter. Stupid Mavs!

    24. Frank

      I was really impressed by Tatum — not just because he scored, but because he used his body so well against actual veteran NBA players like Lee and Hardaway. Never looked rushed, rebounded well, and shot the 3 great. I freaking hate Danny Ainge.

    25. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      I freaking hate Danny Ainge.

      The Celtics are simultaneously in rebuild mode like us and perhaps already the best team in the east if Hayward didn’t get hurt. This is what happens when you make good trades and build via the draft. It’s that “good” part that requires patience and competence.

    26. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov has reached an agreement to sell a 49% minority stake in the Nets to Alibaba executive vice chairman and co-founder Joseph Tsai,

      A new rich dude in town.

    27. Bruno Almeida

      The Celtics also got hilariously lucky by getting Isaiah Thomas and Jae Crowder (in the insane Rondo trade that was insane the moment it happened). They’re also reaping the benefits of the big 3 era to this day (the Rondo trade, the Nets trade).

      They were terrible in 2013-14, and then the Thomas trade and the Rondo trade made them a legit team again.

      Of course getting those deals is also Ainge’s merit, but when a team gets the upper hand on every single trade they make exploiting terrible FOs, then yes, of course they’ll eventually be good. His only big free agent signing has been Horford, who’s an overpaid decent to good player and that’s it.

      The Celtics did a lot of things right, but they were incredibly lucky too. Doesn’t seem like a model a franchise like the Knicks could ever copy.

    28. Frank

      btw – how amazing (and nauseating at the same time) would it be if A-Rod were the new Yankees manager? (I actually think he’d be great, but I can’t imagine Cashman/Steinbrenner would do that after all the bad blood of a couple years ago)

    29. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      The Celtics did a lot of things right, but they were incredibly lucky too. Doesn’t seem like a model a franchise like the Knicks could ever copy.

      You can’t account for luck, but I think EVERYONE should try to copy Boston’s model. The idea is to win trades, don’t overpay for FAs, and draft well. To the extent you can do each of those due to the opportunities available at that time, the attractiveness of your city, and any other advantages/disadvantages you may have, you should. No one formula is going to work for all teams all the time, but everything else is a fail. Our mistakes have always been being on the wrong side of trades and FA signings. We continued it this year by overpaying for Hardaway and Baker.

    30. geo

      btw – how amazing (and nauseating at the same time) would it be if A-Rod were the new Yankees manager? (I actually think he’d be great, but I can’t imagine Cashman/Steinbrenner would do that after all the bad blood of a couple years ago)

      crazy enough, but, a-rod may be a decent manager one day – no way have the steinbrenners completely forgiven some of the stuff a-rod did against the organization, plus the team is built to win now – no rookie managers…i’d kind of like to see tony pena get the nod…maybe the guy from triple a – al pedrique…

    31. JK47

      Boston’s “model” was this:

      Get idiotic franchise with moronic starfucking owner to give you every asset they have for your ancient “star” players who are less than a season away from falling off the proverbial cliff.

      I don’t know how repeatable that is.

    32. djphan

      the model is making smart decisions… boston lucked into a bunch of dream trades…

      the spurs model is the model for all sports franchises and just business in general… a unified vision from the top down with everyone on the same page filled with capable ppl at all levels…

    33. Bruno Almeida

      I agree with JK and djphan, the Celtics model would look a hell of a lot worse if Phoenix didnt gift wrap them IT for Marcus freaking Thornton and a pick in a trade that was seen as heavily Boston favored even before IT performed like a star in Boston.

      I keep reading you say “teams need to win trades” stratomatic, and I think that’s a lot harder than you make it out to be. How many teams out there you can say are notorious for decisively winning multiple trades? Boston, maybe Houston sometimes? OKC, even with the Harden trade? That’s kinda what I can remember from the top of my mind.

      For every team winning a trade there’s a stupid GM making a poor decision. If no poor decision makers want your players, what do you do? In the draft, which a lot of times you disregard as sort of a crapshoot, at least a team is under control of every step of the decision making process.

    34. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      Jarret Jack is starting tonight…..please shoot me.

    35. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      Boston’s “model” was this:

      Get idiotic franchise with moronic starfucking owner to give you every asset they have for your ancient “star” players who are less than a season away from falling off the proverbial cliff.

      I don’t know how repeatable that is.

      It’s not repeatable in the sense that everyone can do any time they want get tons the best of it on every single trade. It’s repeatable to the extent that you don’t make a trade or do a FA sighing unless you have a margin of safety that it’s at least a fair deal and most likely you are getting the best of it.

    36. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      For every team winning a trade there’s a stupid GM making a poor decision.

      Implied in what I am saying is that you have to have a management team that’s smart and patient enough to recognize a good deal and pass on others. That’s been a huge failing of the Knicks for going on decades (along with patience). Obviously, a bunch of pinheads are not going to be able duplicate what Ainge, Morey, or Buford does.

      My point is, there’s no formula (like tanking) that is right all the time for everyone. You have to look at the landscape and find the values.

    37. Ben R

      If Jack is starting does that mean we’re not cutting him when Noah comes back. If we keep him and Sessions, who do we cut? Dotson? Kuzminskas?

      This sucks. I want no part of Jack.

    38. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      So has tank 2017 officially begun?

    39. ClashFan

      There’s a little bit of Terry Collins in Jeff Hornacek…. That is good for tanking, but not for confidence that Hornacek is a competent coach…

    40. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      How in the world do you give Jarrett fucking Jack the starting job tonight

      I’d rather have fucking KOQ be our starting PG

    41. Bruno Almeida

      Having Jack start is tanktastic, but why the hell? If you’re planning on starting a non-NBA Point Guard anyway just give Baker the start, at least he tries hard and can do some positive things. Jack is useless and should not even be in the damn team.

      I know I’m overreacting about Hornacek, but it’s this sort of bullshit I can’t take from him.

    42. JK47

      I’m not the world’s biggest believer in Ron Baker but I have to agree, he should be getting a look before Jarrett Jack. He’s done okay in limited minutes.

    43. thenamestsam

      If Frank is available (and it sounds like he is) than one of Sessions or Jack should be getting a DNP-CD. We don’t need to play 4 PGs and Frank and Baker both need to play. I don’t particularly care if Jack starts (he and Sessions look close enough to equally bad to not pick that nit) as long as that means Sessions is glued to the bench and Frank and Baker get their minutes. I…do not expect that to be the case.

    44. Ben R

      Baker has looked better than both Jack and Sessions and is part of our long term plan. Why not give him the start and if he struggles then put in Jack or Sessions. The worst part is Jack is going to look okay because of the Nets putrid defense and “earn” more playing time in the future.

    45. geo

      Watch Jack put up 15 and 7 tonight. And by that I mean shots and turnovers…

      thanks, definitely needed the laugh…

    46. nicos

      Baker’s a poor fit with Kanter due to his inability to execute simple post entry passes. It’s weird because he’s not terrible passing on the move- not good but okay- but his entry passes are atrocious. You’d think it’d be the opposite. I really don’t care who starts as long as Frank gets solid minutes at the point. Really the only thing that matters point guard-wise this season is finding out whether Frank looks viable there long term.

    47. ClashFan

      I hope Frank can get some good minutes, too, but I won’t be surprised if he only gets a couple of token runs. They’re going to be careful with him coming off of his injuries.

      Frankly (get it?), he needs to get and stay healthy for awhile so that they can build his minutes up to about 20 or so per game.

    48. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      I would assume that Jack played well in practice. I haven’t seen enough of him playing to assume he’s really worse than Sessions. And someone has to guard Russell. I don’t know who on the Knicks can do that, but maybe Jack will be better than Sessions at that.

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