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Wednesday, October 18, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.09.19)

  • [SNY Knicks] How will the Knicks’ point guard situation shake out?
    (Monday, September 18, 2017 3:15:06 PM)

    The Knicks have enough point guards going into training camp for an entire starting lineup.

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ Carmelo replacement may be in the building
    (Monday, September 18, 2017 8:18:25 PM)

    Former Timberwolves general manager David Kahn will vouch for two things regarding Michael Beasley — he will light up the Garden as “an incredibly gifted natural scorer’’ and Knicks assistant coach Kurt Rambis is a huge fan. Beasley is in Tarrytown, reporting for Knicks’ voluntary workouts ahead of training camp which opens Monday. Potentially serving…

  • [NYTimes] Mystics Discover Hurdles on the Way to a W.N.B.A. Breakthrough
    (Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:09:28 AM)

    Washington made a big splash by acquiring Elena Delle Donne in the off-season, but its ambitions were derailed by a combination of overseas commitments and injuries.

  • 39 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.09.19)

    1. KJG

      The one point I agree with is that KP definitely has the clumsy big-man gene… Though I also think he’s his own “breed” of player. I’d rather not compare him to any of the guys mentioned in that article… Whether it’s a great breed or an average breed, who knows…

    2. ess-dog

      I like KP at the 4 on offense where he can shoot threes over smaller pfs as well as post them up. You just need to put a voracious rebounder next to him. Defense is trickier. He’s your lane protector but can’t box out many centers. But he can potentially cover up a lot of defensive mistakes from the weak side.
      I think the prowess of the small ball 4 is overstated. It’s just about getting whatever mismatches you can.

    3. stratomatic watched KP and is less despondent

      I got about halfway through that article and stopped. To begin with, virtually everyone in the Knicks organization (including Phil) knows that KP will eventually wind up at C. The reason he’s been playing the 4 has noting to do with outmoded ideas on basketball or how many men big should on the court. He was playing the 4 because he hasn’t been physically strong enough to play the 5. There was no reason to have a kid with such enormous upside taking a physical pounding every night by bigger stronger men and possibly getting injured long before he was physically ready to handle it. He’ll be eased into that role more often as he develops and it creates positive mismatches instead of negative ones that beat the crap out of him and wear him down.

    4. Frank

      yeah i thought that piece was pretty boring.

      The Doncic feature at ESPN by Mike Schmitz was awesome. Man do I hope we get a chance to draft him.

      Crazy thing – he’s the greatest European prospect ever, unbelievably productive… yet he’s not even close to the prospect that Lebron was coming out of high school. Lebron does everything Doncic does, except he’s bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic. Doncic is a better shooter, but LBJ is better in every other way. It’s just nuts how great Lebron is, and how he’s actually realized his full potential.

      re: KP – it is true he just doesn’t have the quick twitch athleticism and body control of other players. But he’s still 7’3″ with crazy wingspan.

    5. geo

      this whole doncic thing is super interesting…

      can’t remember his name – but, a soccer analyst commented that one of the biggest inhibitors towards american players success in international play is that many foreign athletes are already in a professional situation (as in – sports as a profession and not just a hobby) while most amercian kids are still in high school…

      that exposure to the pros at age 15/16 (and younger) allows foreign soccer players to develop a lot quicker…

      there are tons of soccer fields all over the US for kids to play – however, the level and intensity is no where near what other “elite” players from around the world are experiencing…

      granted – the physical structure needed for soccer is much different than basketball – however, i wonder if this doncic thing may be more of a trend going forward…

      doncic signed his first pro contract at 8 years old…

    6. wetbandit

      I’m firmly in the “hold Melo until the return is good” camp, but…. what if Melo’s departure this offseason could have led to Doncic? Possible?

    7. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I think we only have a real shot at Doncic if literally everything breaks poorly: Melo is bought out, KP/Willy are injured or stagnate, Frank is sub replacement, etc.

      Our being in a top 5 spot implies that we’re kind of fucked in the future. I’d still want that outcome, because Luka’s that good, but I think I’d prefer KP and Willy breaking out and hoping for a miracle draft lottery night.

    8. Cock Jowles, #1 Tanking Denialist

      Crazy thing – he’s the greatest European prospect ever, unbelievably productive… yet he’s not even close to the prospect that Lebron was coming out of high school. Lebron does everything Doncic does, except he’s bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic. Doncic is a better shooter, but LBJ is better in every other way. It’s just nuts how great Lebron is, and how he’s actually realized his full potential.

      Fortunately for Doncic, shooting well is the #1 thing a person can do in the NBA, especially now. Curry is a great all-around player, but his ridiculous value is mostly from efficient outside shooting.

      The thing about Doncic is that he looks great, but he’s still an 18-year-old coming into a man’s league. The Chris Pauls and Tim Duncans — players that were stars from day 1 — don’t come around that much. Most young players struggle, so it’s easy to see the “upside” but that’s all it is right now. I remind myself that Marvin Williams was described as a burlier LeBron James when he was drafted at #2.

    9. Frank

      Interesting Jarrett Jack quotes today — basically that Hornacek is installing a fast paced offense without the triangle.

    10. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      @12

      KP and a future first.

      Willy and Frank.

      KP+Willy is a little steep however

    11. Owen

      I think the hype is real with Doncic but Lebron is an inner circle all time talent. Just not an appropriate comparison.

      That said, I am kind of all-in on Luka. Was getting tingles watching him play and vague feelings about him being a Super Manu in the NBA, what Manu could have been if were a little bigger and more durable.

    12. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      @15

      I think LD is an elite-elite prospect, like a once in a decade kind of guy. I think he’s at least on the level of Towns and AD as a prospect; perhaps even on the level of CP3, KD, Howard, etc. as a prospect. That’s really special.

    13. Cock Jowles, #1 Tanking Denialist

      @14 – thank god you’re not the Knicks GM!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KXsmbxsIYM

      I’ll just leave this here. You get to see his ridiculous stats in context and watch him demolish opposing defenses at the same time.

      Note that he had the highest BPM by a 1st- or 2nd-year player… ever.

    14. Owen

      Jokic’s defensive issues are a major issue. But he is so much fun to watch.

      My gut with Luka is that he never wins an MVP but hovers at the top of the second tier of stars.

    15. Bruno Almeida

      Jokic is definitely more valuable than KP + 1st rounder about to be in the 6-9 range.

      I would offer as many firsts as the Nuggets ask for and Willy, and if they don’t bite just give em KP anyway. I would value him behind Lebron, KD, Curry, Giannis, Harden, Leonard and on par with Draymond, Davis and Towns, so definitely top 10 value for me.

      And I think unless Porter, Bamba or Bagley completely destroy the NCAA, like Anthony Davis in Kentucky level of destruction, there’s no feasible reason for Doncic to not be #1 in the draft.

    16. iserp

      My gut with Luka is that he never wins an MVP but hovers at the top of the second tier of stars.

      It’s possible. I think one of the reason why Doncic is so appealing, it is because he is one of the main players in some of the best professional teams in Europe. So it is not so much about high upside, but a really high floor for a draft pick.

    17. iserp

      I think I would not give KP + pick for Jokic.

      Probably a bit of a homer here, but a defensive liability at the C it is very difficult to overcome with other players. So, it would be easier to be a good team with Jokic, but it would be harder to be a great team.

    18. Donnie Walsh

      If only Phil would have found his euro magic in 2014 and drafted Jokic instead of Cleanthony Early, NY would be on the fast track to the NBA finals.

    19. Frank

      So Isola’s article from today still says that Melo is hopeful for a deal to the Rockets by Monday. And the jsports guy from twitter says the deal is still on the table.

      I hope Perry and Mills hold out. Taking Ryan Anderson is not acceptable unless there are a lot of non-Houston firsts coming back.

    20. Bruno Almeida

      Training camp is supposed to start at the 25th isn’t it? I remember Berman saying that Melo was considering holding out of camp if a deal didn’t happen.

      The deal would happen literally on the day training camp starts, so it kinda fits the narrative that Melo is not willing to remain with the Knicks under any circumstances… on one hand,I hope the Knicks didn’t accommodate a terrible deal just to avoid all the drama, on the other, it would be so much better to see this team going to camp without Carmelo and without all the drama.

    21. Donnie Walsh

      So, if the ball is on the 2 yard line, what down is it? 7th? (I guess we’ve been 1st and goal with an incompetent quarterback for the past 2 months?)

    22. johnnyhoops

      Wait a minute. If Melo holds out is he guilty of violating his contract, making it null and void? I know it’s wishful thinking but I can dream, can’t I?

    23. Z-man

      “Really long arms, really active defensively,” Jack said of Ntilikina, who has a 7-0 wingspan. “Great size. Just looking forward to giving him all the game that I’ve gotten over these 13 years… He has a great pace to him. He’s crafty, definitely going to cause a lot of problems on the defensive end which in turn can hopefully lead to some easy buckets on offense.”

      Translation: “This lanky kid can’t play offense worth shit. No way he’ll score unless he gets some uncontested dunks off of steals and deflections.”

    24. Totes McGoats Makes 18mil For 14ppg

      Translation: “This lanky kid can’t play offense worth shit. No way he’ll score unless he gets some uncontested dunks off of steals and deflections.”

      Or,
      “He plays kind of an old school game. Like a traditional PG on offense”

      Honestly..he kinda reminds me of Derek Harper. I doubt he’ll score at the Dallas version of Harper’s clip, but if he plays like the Knicks version- I’ll be happy.

      RE: Beasley:
      If he’s lost 20 pounds, he’s really slim. That makes me hope he can improve his defensive IQ because his length and m9vement has always been good. If Hornacek and co can coach him up on that end, I wouldn’t mind him as a starter should Melo get traded. If he or Melo is your 3rd option on offense, you should have a decent scoring team. Of course, this is heavily contingent on TH2 taking the next step

    25. KnickfaninNJ

      The Post article is scary. The basic assumption underlying the article is that the Knicks need a replacement for Melo. That’s scary enough. Then it goes on to say that Beasley could be a good fit in that role because he can score from anywhere. And then it goes on to describe how Beasley failed in Miami and Minnesota because he couldn’t grasp NBA defensive schemes. “When they were together in Minnesota, Rambis couldn’t get Beasley to play defense.”. Talk about being encouraged about Beasley. I hope he only comes off the bench.

    26. Bruno Almeida

      @36

      Or “I’m trying really hard to squeeze out of this random quote my preconceived ideas of a kid that hasn’t played a single minute in a training camp yet”.

      @38
      That’s very Knicksian in a way, to bring Beasley to “replace” Melo’s role on the team, but at least it shows the Knicks might be actively working to replace Melo already.

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