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Wednesday, October 18, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.09.18)

  • [SNY Knicks] After sexual assault cloud in college, Dotson trying to stick with Knicks
    (Sunday, September 17, 2017 10:38:58 AM)

    It has been a wild ride to the NBA for the Knicks’ newest G Damyean Dotson after sexual assault allegations in college almost ruined his dream.

  • 67 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.09.18)

    1. Frank

      I’m really hesitant to get involved in this Dotson thing, but here are my 2 cents.

      I think it’s clear enough to me not just from the police report but also his message to the victim afterward that the whole episode actually happened. That does indeed make him a rapist, which obviously cannot be minimized.

      That said (and there is no going back on that) — a good friend of mine coaches high school basketball in NJ and is also involved on the AAU circuit, and after talking to him a fair amount about his players — unless posters here are involved or were in that world, we just can’t understand how much the rules are bent/broken/ignored for these kids from a very young age. Every last thing is forgiven and covered up for them from when they’re 12 years old, all in the name of their basketball talent. Built into that world is that kids learn from that young age that they can do whatever they want with women. We also shouldn’t forget that some of this is basically officially sanctioned by colleges and coaches — see the Ole miss thing, the Tennessee “hostess club” — even at Stanford, I knew one basketball recruit who basically had Stanford girls brought by his room for sex during his recruiting trip.

      Obviously that isn’t right, and one would hope that they have had a good enough upbringing (and personal moral sense) that groupie culture doesn’t turn into rape culture, but one can see how a young kid brought up in that world might not really fully understand the line between the two. It’s not an excuse, but it is a reason.

      All I can hope from Damyean Dotson’s perspective is that he gets that what he did was wrong and that he dedicates himself to living the right way going forward. By all accounts he has done that, which is certainly better than the alternative.

    2. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Here’s my very simple argument re: rape allegations:

      (1) According to various studies, false rape allegations comprise anywhere from 2-10% of all rape allegations
      (2) we should fix our degree of belief to the relevant probabilities

      It’s not just reasonable to presume the guilt of Dotson in the court of public opinion–it is in fact it’s the only rational option, given the way the currently available evidence comports itself. There is between a 90-98% chance of Dotson’s guilt.

      If he’s legitimately contrite and the ship on punishment has sailed, then sure, give him a second chance. But I don’t want him on my team and it disappoints me that he is.

      Also, voting for a president, where you have only two options, both of which are going to be deeply, deeply flawed, isn’t the same as voluntarily choosing to draft a guy dogged by allegations of brutal gang rape over, say, the 20 other people who could’ve been drafted at that position.

    3. thenoblefacehumper

      It’s amazing that a player can pretty much confess to his rape victim (which is actually admirable to some small extent but does nothing to minimize the crime) and still maintain the support of the “we just don’t know!” crowd.

    4. kevin5318

      I like Dotson as a player but if its true then I hope he gets traded ASAP. Just having one guy like that could ruin an otherwise likable team.

    5. Frank

      @3 – seems a very slippery slope. 2-10% is a rather wide range (and possibly not applicable to a specific population like extremely rich athletes). 10% is a huge number – 1 out of 10 are falsely accused feels unacceptably high (especially if you are indeed one of those 10%). It’s that kind of “probably guilty” thinking that leads to a lot of bad outcomes in law enforcement abuse.

      (This particular discussion is not really relevant to Dotson, since he basically admitted it happened by apologizing to the victim)

    6. thenamestsam

      I recommend anyone sitting on the fence on this one read the police report in its entirety. In Dotson’s own telling of the incident, he and his buddies are having sex with her in a bathroom. Then “Dotson said at some point someone knocked on the door, and [accuser] got scared. Dotson said [accuser] left the bathroom and sat on the ground right outside the bathroom. Dotson said she had started to cry a little bit.” Okay, at this point it’s pretty obvious that everything is not okay in this situation, right? So what do they do? Take her back to one of their apartments and continue the group sex.

      The absolute fucking worst is trying to make this into some redemption story. The SNY blurb on the top of this site says “after sexual assault allegations in college almost ruined his dream”. I mean god almighty is that bad. Yes, how sad that his dream was almost ruined that night.

    7. DRed

      What about Bill Clinton? Did anybody here vote for him?

      What if I told you this person was also bad at evaluating basketball players

    8. Ntilakilla

      Also, voting for a president, where you have only two options, both of which are going to be deeply, deeply flawed, isn’t the same as voluntarily choosing to draft a guy dogged by allegations of brutal gang rape over, say, the 20 other people who could’ve been drafted at that position.

      It isn’t? I’d assume its far worse. A basketball player puts a ball through a hoop. A president is a political leader and a moral authority. It seems to me that the only difference is that one is in a greater position of authority and power. But make no mistake, in both cases their supporters are rationalizing problematic behavior.

    9. Hubert

      Here’s my very simple argument re: rape allegations:

      (1) According to various studies, false rape allegations comprise anywhere from 2-10% of all rape allegations
      (2) we should fix our degree of belief to the relevant probabilities

      It’s not just reasonable to presume the guilt of Dotson in the court of public opinion–it is in fact it’s the only rational option, given the way the currently available evidence comports itself. There is between a 90-98% chance of Dotson’s guilt.

      This is not sound logic. Point 1 is by no means given.

      I’m not making any case for or against Dotson. Just saying there is a flaw in your very simple argument.

    10. bobneptune

      What about Bill Clinton? Did anybody here vote for him?

      What if I told you this person was also bad at evaluating basketball players

      Bill Clinton is an NBA scout now???

    11. Bruno Almeida

      Yeah, we should burn those petty b****** for attempting to ruin those poor athletes careers!

      Except that in every case, including the famous Duke lacrosse one, the girl has had her life ruined and the accused dudes are always fine after it.

      Thenamestsam said everything that needs to be said. If you love the kid or whatever and are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after his own account that it was in fact an abusive situation, thats your own choice. Don’t try to sugarcoat it or put the blame on the victim to feel better about it, just admit you don’t care and move on.

    12. bobneptune

      Also, voting for a president, where you have only two options, both of which are going to be deeply, deeply flawed, isn’t the same as voluntarily choosing to draft a guy dogged by allegations of brutal gang rape over, say, the 20 other people who could’ve been drafted at that position.

      Lots of weaksauce here. First of all both of WJC’s opponents were decent humans by anyone’s estimations who were perfectly acceptable alternatives (not racist wing nuts) to most Americans, so if you voted for Clinton you definitely are in the rape apologist camp. You had a reasonable alternative both times.

      You know…. the immortal words of James Carville ring a little bit true here…. Dotson may turn out to be a “Good man who done a bad thing”…. or he may turn out to be a serial rapist like 42…… none of us know.

      But we can say one thing with certitude…. according the laws of the USA he deserves the chance to play in the NBA. Each person is entitled to view him and any reasonable way and wish he becomes all-NBA or is traded or cut…. or that he dies in a grease fire.

    13. Scorpio Dragon

      Looking at the report, I can see why they didn’t pursue the case. They definitely had sex and the victim’s story is more than plausible, but any defense lawyer straight out of grad school could blow the prosecution’s case up. It’s really disappointing that the case couldn’t be brought to fruition because of a mistake the victim made while intoxicated. “No” shouldn’t have to be loud and forceful to be heard or acknowledged, but that seems to be at the crux of the, “he said, she said” divide between the two stories. She says she said no, they claim that they didn’t hear that. Then whilst still intoxicated, she goes with them to a second location. That’s hard for a prosecutor to win.

    14. Cock Jowles, #1 Tanking Denialist

      Lots of weaksauce here. First of all both of WJC’s opponents were decent humans by anyone’s estimations who were perfectly acceptable alternatives (not racist wing nuts) to most Americans, so if you voted for Clinton you definitely are in the rape apologist camp. You had a reasonable alternative both times.

      You know…. the immortal words of James Carville ring a little bit true here…. Dotson may turn out to be a “Good man who done a bad thing”…. or he may turn out to be a serial rapist like 42…… none of us know.

      But we can say one thing with certitude…. according the laws of the USA he deserves the chance to play in the NBA. Each person is entitled to view him and any reasonable way and wish he becomes all-NBA or is traded or cut…. or that he dies in a grease fire.

      If we made an #NBARank of detestable Knickerblogger posters, you’d be shooting up the list, buddy. I wonder what it’s like to be a woman in the presence of one of your vocalized opinions. Fright? Disgust? Pity? All of the above?

    15. Scorpio Dragon

      Lots of weaksauce here. First of all both of WJC’s opponents were decent humans by anyone’s estimations who were perfectly acceptable alternatives (not racist wing nuts) to most Americans, so if you voted for Clinton you definitely are in the rape apologist camp. You had a reasonable alternative both times.

      You know…. the immortal words of James Carville ring a little bit true here…. Dotson may turn out to be a “Good man who done a bad thing”…. or he may turn out to be a serial rapist like 42…… none of us know.

      But we can say one thing with certitude…. according the laws of the USA he deserves the chance to play in the NBA. Each person is entitled to view him and any reasonable way and wish he becomes all-NBA or is traded or cut…. or that he dies in a grease fire.

      Let’s not revise history here. The only rape (not sexual harassment or adultery) allegation I could find for Clinton happened at the end of his presidency in 1999. You can’t go back and say someone’s a rape apologist for voting for someone when no allegation of rape occurred during either of the campaigns. Especially, when the same person said, in an affidavit, previously nothing went on between the two. Unless there’s another rape allegation that I’m unaware of here.

    16. Scorpio Dragon

      I am going to let the legal system decide his guilt or innocence. Can he play?

      Well, the legal system already decided what it’s going to do. While I understand why it took that path, I don’t think justice remotely will be done in that case.

      So, yeah, he can play and he will play. Probably well for his role.

    17. DRed

      according the laws of the USA he deserves the chance to play in the NBA

      This is, not surprisingly, completely wrong.

    18. Cock Jowles, #1 Tanking Denialist

      Do you have a spreadsheet of people’s posts just ready to bring up depending on topic?

      A good memory. Willful stupidity offends me, and I refuse to let the above post escape like vapor in the air. I want to remind people what happens when you say stupid things. I’ll remind him again when the indictments start happening, too.

    19. Frank

      by the way I retroactively apologize for bringing this up again in today’s thread. should’ve just tacked my post to yesterday.

      so 1 week until training camp, right?!

      how about Ntilikina!? looking HUGE. And didn’t KP go 50/40/90 in Eurobasket? And didn’t Willy average like 48 rebounds per 36?

    20. DS

      Q: Which former Knicks head coach will be appearing on Dancing with the Stars this season?

      (A) Larry Brown
      (B) Kurt Rambis
      (C) Hubie Brown
      (D) Derek Fisher

    21. Scorpio Dragon

      I just really want to see the kid play NBA level competition. Ntilikina (at some point I’ll be able to spell that without looking it up, I hope) has a lot of good metrics, his play overseas does encourage hope and he’s likely not done growing, but I don’t see him being impactful for at least another 2 or 3 years, if he’s really the new PG. Maybe he’ll be a big version of Lindsay Hunter, great defender, competent offensive PG. But as of right now, that’s my envisioned ceiling for him. If he exceeds that, I’ll be ecstatic.

    22. Bruno Almeida

      Well, people were hyped by the Derrick Rose signing, it’s not a surprise that another alleged rapist would get so easily embraced by a mostly male crowd.

      I’m not american, I know, but it’s mildly amusing to watch people defend the legal decisions so blindly in a country when black lives matter has to exist because the same legal system won’t do anything to punish brutality against people of color.

    23. Scorpio Dragon

      Q: Which former Knicks head coach will be appearing on Dancing with the Stars this season?

      (A) Larry Brown
      (B) Kurt Rambis
      (C) Hubie Brown
      (D) Derek Fisher

      Of that list? Larry takes himself too seriously, I think. Kurt’s still on the payroll isn’t he? Hubie has the prerequisite level of self-deprecation required from the older contestants on that show. I don’t think he’d want to. D.Fish seems to want to be in the spotlight too much. So, I’m betting on him.

    24. Frank

      by the way wtf is with Mason Plumlee getting $13+MM/year x 3? Dude’s going to play about 15 minutes/game with Jokic and Millsap on the court most of the time.

      (sort of an interesting parallel to what we will have to do with Willy in a few years when KP is hopefully full-time center, but that’s a long way off)

    25. geo

      The absolute fucking worst is trying to make this into some redemption story. The SNY blurb on the top of this site says “after sexual assault allegations in college almost ruined his dream”. I mean god almighty is that bad. Yes, how sad that his dream was almost ruined that night.

      good point tsam…that really does jump off the page – some editor should have caught that…pretty offensive stuff…

      Scarlet letter branders are gonna scarlet letter brand.

      i imagine much like the rookie running back from cinci, joe mixon – the incident will stay with dotson throughout his time as a professional athlete…hopefully they both have the opportunity to educate other young men about making better decisions regarding how they treat other people…

      I’m not american, I know, but it’s mildly amusing to watch people defend the legal decisions so blindly in a country when black lives matter has to exist because the same legal system won’t do anything to punish brutality against people of color.

      sadly, i don’t believe racism or sexism know any borders…

      part of faith includes being able to forgive…being much less than divine – that is a very challenging and difficult thing to do…

    26. DS

      Of that list? Larry takes himself too seriously, I think. Kurt’s still on the payroll isn’t he? Hubie has the prerequisite level of self-deprecation required from the older contestants on that show. I don’t think he’d want to. D.Fish seems to want to be in the spotlight too much. So, I’m betting on him.

      Ding, ding!! Your analysis is solid but also Hubie Brown is 83 years-old, Larry Brown 77, and Kurt Rambis is a “star” only in the eyes of Phil and fans of the 80’s Lakers.

    27. Bruno Almeida

      @36

      Oh for sure. I’ve lived my entire life between either Brazil or Norway and as much as they seem to be opposite ends of the spectrum, I’ve seen racism and sexism and homophobia plenty at both. I just can’t really understand having blind faith in a legal system that’s obviously prone to failure and / or bigoted shit in literally every country.

      The Plumlee contract is really, really weird yeah. He’s not a bad player and Denver has a really good frontcourt, but I don’t think he had a big market or anything driving up his price.

    28. bobneptune

      If we made an #NBARank of detestable Knickerblogger posters, you’d be shooting up the list, buddy. I wonder what it’s like to be a woman in the presence of one of your vocalized opinions. Fright? Disgust? Pity? All of the above?

      Care to say anything remotely related to what I wrote in context? Is it “detestable” to imply Clinton is as likely (or more so) to be a rapist than Dotson? Juanita Broderick sez hai!

      What opinion did I vocalize that is so heinous. Please be specific or STFU :-)

    29. english_knick

      The Plumlee signing is classic sunk cost fallacy. “Oh shit, we traded a much better player for this guy AND gave up a first round pick. We’d better re-sign him and hope he turns out to be much better than the evidence so far suggests he will, otherwise we’re going to look REALLY stupid… “

    30. stratomatic watched KP and is less despondent

      I’m pretty sure if I was currently a high school or college athlete that was getting a lot of attention and I just wanted to party, have some fun, sow some wild oats, and enjoy my youth and fame, I’d spend a lot of time with hookers. I’m being serious. While not ideal, at least that way there would be no chance of a misunderstanding while being intoxicated/stoned or of being falsely accused and targeted. When I was done with that stage and was looking to get serious, fall in love, start a family etc… then I’d start dating in a more serious way.

      It’s very difficult to tell who is telling the truth in many of these cases (not speaking about this one in particular). The lives of both men and women get destroyed by both the behavior and the false or exaggerated accusations. Why even bother putting yourself in that position. Go to a pro.

    31. stratomatic watched KP and is less despondent

      It’s really not all that difficult to avoid raping women, guys

      The scumbags are going to do what they are going to do. But assuming you are not a rapist, it’s also very easy to find a pro on Backpage if you are young and all you are looking to do is party, get stoned, have fun and get laid. No misunderstandings, no changed feelings or guilt in the morning, and no false accusations looking for a payout. It’s just plain stupid for athletes to put themselves in this position for a little pu$$y. I’m betting that’s why so many spend so much time in topless places.

    32. Donnie Walsh

      I have empathy for Dotson and can relate to him because when I was 19 I did a stupid thing and voted for Bill Clinton. I transferred schools the next year and, luckily, my dream of playing in the NBA wasn’t forever ruined.

    33. Hubert

      I’m actually kind of excited about Dotson’s potential as a prospect. He was our best player in summer league, he has great physical tools, and his shooting numbers jump off the page. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. I’d rather never have to read crap like what I saw in the Post, on SNY, and from those apologizing for him, though.

    34. ptmilo

      The Plumlee signing is classic sunk cost fallacy. “Oh shit, we traded a much better player for this guy AND gave up a first round pick. We’d better re-sign him and hope he turns out to be much better than the evidence so far suggests he will, otherwise we’re going to look REALLY stupid…

      I don’t agree with this, I think this Plumlee is a pretty good player and this is a solid contract, better than letting him play out the QO year. Plumlee can’t shoot, so he seems like another devalued big in the modern game, but he is a pretty unique player. He is a great passer, moves pretty well for a big and can definitely play 15 minutes next to Jokic on top of backing him up.

      I don’t think Faried fits too well with Denver right now. I know he’s been on the block forever but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him dealt.

    35. Cock Jowles, #1 Tanking Denialist

      I have empathy for Dotson and can relate to him because when I was 19 I did a stupid thing and voted for Bill Clinton. I transferred schools the next year and, luckily, my dream of playing in the NBA wasn’t forever ruined.

      hahahahahahahahahahahaha nice

    36. Bruno Almeida

      Plumlee’s contract does look like a steal when Wiggins is about to sign a 5 year 148 million contract that will surely be #1 in the “how the hell did anyone think this was a good idea” list very soon.

    37. TheOakmanCometh

      Don’t understand that Plumlee contract at all. Jokic is going to sign a max extension soon and will be a 30-36 minute guy. That means they’re paying $13m to a guaranteed backup.

      And they did it in a market that had completely dried up for centers.

    38. Grocer

      And they did it in a market that had completely dried up for centers.

      This would be confusing, if it weren’t so common for front offices to bid against themselves.

    39. Bruno Almeida

      @51

      Yeah, that was the issue for me. Which team exactly is rushing to add Mason Plumlee to their roster right now on a 3 year 39 million deal? If he won’t sign for less than that, let him play the qualifying offer year and if he’s really that important to the team you extend him.

    40. Jack Bauer

      @25- We’ll see. I stand by my post from LAST MAY- at that time there was no evidence just a bunch of accusations. So far after months and months of searching Mueller and his democratic supporting investigators still haven’t found anything directly linking the Trump campaign to any manipulation of the election results as badly as many want it to be so. Unlike the proof that came out about the DNC rigging the primaries against Bernie and Donna Brazile providing Hillary with the debate questions, remember that part? The real question is will you admit it was a partisan waste of time if they come up with nothing? Oh and be sure to mark down this post so you can re-print it and show how smart you are. Unfortunately I have a job and a life that keeps me pretty busy so I don’t have the time or desire to search out previous posts from prior year’s to prove my point to other posters here..

    41. Z-man

      Mason Plumlee is essentially a younger RoLo with slightly different strengths and weaknesses. When we signed RoLo to the identical contract less one year, everyone here was talking about what a value contract it was and how he was an “asset.” And that was before the cap went through the roof. So why the incredulity here?

    42. Cock Jowles, #1 Tanking Denialist

      The real question is will you admit it was a partisan waste of time if they come up with nothing?

      Oh you fucking bet I will.

      I’m editing the rest of my post. Bookmarked. Can’t wait.

    43. Cock Jowles, #1 Tanking Denialist

      Hahahaha, Jack, the timing was too good. It’s like the god of schadenfreude heard me ctrl+v and had to give me more to laugh at.

    44. stratomatic watched KP and is less despondent

      @53 @55

      The only person worth reading on the issue is Alan Dershowitz. He may be the only qualified person on earth willing to set aside personal politics to discuss what if anything would be illegal about any of the accusations. That’s a huge point. Some of the accusations kind of stink, but they are not even illegal.

      Pretty much every mainstream news source (both sides) should be help in contempt by all thoughtful Americans for some combination of ignorance, fake news, and politically motivated BS (though most people don’t understand that). I’ve never been a fan of the mainstream media, but I’m pretty much the stage where I think they are such a horrid and despicable institution I don’t see how I can classify them as anything less than an enemy of democracy instead of a guardian of it.

      Let me add, my opinion of the intelligence community in general has never been lower either. I don’t see how I can classify them as anything less than an enemy of democracy instead of a guardian of it either (and I have a close friend and relative at the FBI).

      Don’t even get me started on Congress. If there are 3 people worthy of anything but contempt, that’s a lot.

    45. Bruno Almeida

      @54

      Well, RoLo was the starter for us and was being paid at the level you could expect from a decent starter, and we didn’t have Jokic and Millsap on the roster. The value comments also started in the off-season people like Miles Plumlee, Biyombo, Mozgov et al got huge overvalued deals, so Lopez’s contract was valuable in comparison.

      The weird part about Plumlee’s contract is not if he’s worth it, is that a) nobody is doing those sort of big deals for fringe big men anymore, and b) he’s the 3rd big man in a rotation with the 2 starters being all but guaranteed to play at least 30mpg per game.

      It’s a very different situation.

    46. Z-man

      I confess to having rooted hard for a wide variety of despicable characters over the past 50+ years. And I would guess that for every one that is caught or even reported, five, or ten, or whatever stay under the radar with reputation unscathed while their victims pay the price.

      So long as I patronize NBA basketball in any way, the case could be made that I might be a party to glorifying rapists, misogynists, domestic abusers, etc., and whether I have knowledge or intent is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if they are on the team I root for or not, they profit off of of my attention.

      Alas, I will continue to root hard for anyone in a Knicks uniform–including Damyean Dotson. Since I’ve already squandered countless life-hours on this blog discussing a train wreck of a team owned by one of the most despicable owners in sports, I’m probably beyond redemption anyway.

    47. fmikieo

      Apologists are gonna apologize. smh

      This is the definition of creating a strawman argument. Not one word was spent mentioning or discussing any Knicks player.

      Yet, Mr. Jerk-hole goes and tries to speak for me. Here’s what I actually said:

      Scarlet letter branders are gonna scarlet letter brand.

      I was explicitly calling out the judgemental amongst KB for wasting their energy on this.

    48. Z-man

      I think of Plumlee as a pure defensive 5, Millsap as a pure but slightly undersized 4 and is nearly 33 years old, and Jokic as a combo 4-5. I’m sure they will use him a ton with those other guys on the floor, and probably 25 mpg or so overall. Plumlee has averaged 23 mpg in his career, with a career TS% of .580 and a career WS48 of .143. RoLo has averaged 21 mpg with a career TS% of .565 and a career WS48 of .128.

      As a Knick, RoLo averaged 27 MPG, so was only a “starter” in a limited sense. What does it say about him that he couldn’t get more minutes even though there were no great alternatives?

      Plumlee was a smart signing and is worth every penny of this contract according to his metrics, especially with an inflated cap and at his age for 3 years. If you want to argue that there was not much of a market for him because serviceable bigs are a dime a dozen, well, that was the logic behind the RoLo/Rose trade…that starting PGs were a scarce commodity and worth overpaying.

    49. Jack Bauer

      I’m glad I can provide you with such humorous entertainment Jowles.
      We’ll just see who is blessed by the god of schadenfreude.

      @57 yes, by far congress is the real problem in our country. They have abdicated their responsibilities and spend all of their time on vacation, fund raising, and re-election campaigns.

    50. Z-man

      The real problem in our country is the people. We are, after all, a government of, by and for the people. Considering our vast resources and potential, we remain a fat, lazy, stupid, selfish, greedy and often mean-spirited group of people, easily hoodwinked by the corrupt politicians we mindlessly elect. We have a reality show masquerading as a serious political process, and no one of great wisdom or dignity would disgrace his/herself by running for office, let alone have a chance of getting elected.

      (Naah, just kiddin’!)

    51. JK47

      The real question is will you admit it was a partisan waste of time if they come up with nothing?

      *SPOILER ALERT*

      Mueller will come up with plenty, and it will be dismissed as nothing, because facts don’t matter anymore. You could unearth a 3D hologram of Trump telling Putin “please fix the election for me” then performing fellatio on him, and most of his supporters and Republicans in Congress wouldn’t be moved. They’d say it was fake news, and really, is fixing elections in exchange for blowjobs really against the law? John McCain would be “very concerned” for an afternoon and would then forget all about it.

    52. stratomatic watched KP and is less despondent

      JK47

      I would suggest you read Dershowitz.

      If you are forming your views based on information you are getting from mainstream news sources (both sides), you have either been purposely misinformed or you are being informed by people so badly blinded by their own political biases, the information is essentially worthless.

      I’m not taking a stand one way or the other. I’m hoping to eventually find out what REALLY happened (if anything) and whether it was illegal or just smelled badly, etc.. I’m not holding my breath though. We are dealing with some serious scumbags here. They will say and do ANYTHING to advance their own personal political agendas and destroy their enemies. Truth is an inconvenience to them.

      I pride myself on trying to cut through politics, misinformation, spin, and my own personal biases to get to reality (the latter being critical for me as a gambler). The one thing I am 100% sure of is that many in the media, intelligence community, and virtually all other sources are completely full of crap. Many are out and out scumbag human beings, if you, like me, value truth, integrity etc… and feel it’s their job to inform us so we can make intelligent decisions.

    53. JK47

      Dershowitz has his own biases and his own agenda. He’s a defense attorney and there’s a strong whiff of anti-prosecution bias to everything that comes out of his piehole.

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